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Gamesguy
Amarr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.25 22:10:00 -
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Lachesis has the tank of a wet noodle, you could possibly be popped by one volley from a artypest.
At least with plates and BS lvl hp a scorp can take a few hits, enough to warp out perhaps.
And not everyone can fly gallente recon...
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Gyfrex
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.08.25 22:41:00 -
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Edited by: Gyfrex on 25/08/2007 22:41:05
Apoc... no question about it.
The phoon is my favorite BS by a long shot, ability to dictate range against other BS, its sheer versatility, its potential DPS and the fact that its price tag to me ain't all that bad to be fair (sure all the other Tier 1 BS are cheaper, they can't do as much as the phoon can though). It's fittings can be a bit annoying at times but with AWU VI/V those problems become minimal and with the odd rig here and there they cease to exist.
As for the scorp, the very sight of one still makes me shudder. A plated jammer scorp in a small gang engagement can be the deciding factor. Sure maybe it isn't as "good" as the rook but the fact that it'll last a hell of a lot longer under fire to me means that its better for the minimal loss of jamming potential.
So to conclude...its definitely the Apoc as the worst Battleship in game 
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kessah
Blood Corsair's
The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.08.25 22:53:00 -
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Ive spent along time trying to use the Apoc, justify its use over an abaddon or geddon there is only one setup i would use the Apoc for over any other ship.
Ultimately the worst battleship is the Apoc though.
Geddon isnt a whole lot better either - really needs its grid and cpu increased alot!
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Beastofburden
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Posted - 2007.08.25 23:04:00 -
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The Apoc is a nice ship if you fit it with Remote Armor/Shield/Hull Reppers or Energy Transfers and lots, lots
of cap recharge gear (iirc the best possible recharge time was 26-27s).
For other uses than POS/Station repair it¦s not really a choice.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Guardians of the Dawn
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.26 00:16:00 -
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Phoon is far from bad. Jsut fit 1 PG rig and have good skilsl. You can easily fit 4 AC 4 Cruise a 7 slot tank that has all ship cap for it, and lots of drones.
The low signature is VERY usefull for example when you fight a Raven etc...
It will always decide the range of engagement against any other BS.
For example its the BS that will defeat a megathron easiest. Very easy for a phoon to keep 20 km range.
APOC simply sux because has no damage bonus, and don 't have enough PG to use Tachyons easily (to compensate the lack of damage bonus)
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
Audri Fisher
Caldari
VentureCorp
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.08.26 02:24:00 -
[66]
Scorpion easily. Ever since the Blackbirds bonus got changed, there is no reason to use a scorp. The Blackbird can jam just as effectively, is easier to train to level 5, and is much more agile and faster, enabling it to keep from dying 5 seconds into the fight.
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welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.08.26 02:27:00 -
[67]
 Originally by: Audri Fisher
Scorpion easily. Ever since the Blackbirds bonus got changed, there is no reason to use a scorp. The Blackbird can jam just as effectively, is easier to train to level 5, and is much more agile and faster, enabling it to keep from dying 5 seconds into the fight.
Exactly.
The 2 extra midslots don't mean much when you have the slowest lock time in the game either (bar haulers & capitals).
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smoogie
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2007.08.26 02:44:00 -
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Edited by: smoogie on 26/08/2007 02:44:20
Latest tally
Apoc - 18
Typhoon - 3
Scorpion - 4
Apoc winning overwhelmingly, but Scorpion has overtaken Typhoon.
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ChickenOfDoom
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Posted - 2007.08.26 03:13:00 -
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I have to disagree about the 'Phoon. To be honest I've never used it in a pvp capacity myself, but my old corp ambushed one outside of a station (so no range dictating for him) and we almost lost. There were like 5 of us. Our main BSs tank came close to breaking, mostly because of the drones. The fight lasted at least two, three minutes and this guys ability to tank was what made me decide to get one of those ships, though tbh it did suck for missions.
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JonnyWarhawk
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.08.26 04:09:00 -
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I see a lot of typhoons on killboards... not sure what that says but I'm sure it says something. ;D
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Cyan Nuevo
Dudes In Crazy Killing Ships
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Posted - 2007.08.26 04:22:00 -
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For everyone that says that Scorpions are the worst because they are always primaried... think about it.
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burek
Magnificent Beavers
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Posted - 2007.08.26 05:06:00 -
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Typhoon is a pretty good solo ship. It has one great thing going for it, most people will not run away but aggro back coz of the popular opinion that it's crap.
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General Apocalypse
Amarr
The Merchant Marines
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Posted - 2007.08.26 09:48:00 -
[73]
The Apocalypse dosen't excel at Gank or Tank but in the hands of a good pilot it's devastating weapon 
Personaly i can't fing a BS that is bad , I think all BS created legendary videos .
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Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari
Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services
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Posted - 2007.08.26 10:30:00 -
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Apocalypse. No doubt in my mind. A capacitor bonus just isn't useful in the vast majority PVP situations.
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Ash Bringer
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Posted - 2007.08.26 10:48:00 -
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Scorp is the worst. As plating a ship and tanking it and waiting to be primary to tank the blob can't be the main reason for a good BS.
And ECM sucks. Try fitting Multis and u wont jam a BS. Racials? And u can jam 1 BS or 2 BS for 2-3 cycles at most but then u got primaried right :) . And by jamming a BS for 1 cycle, u wont kill it won't tip the ballance in a fleet war. On any damage dealer u will help better to your cause.
And ECM sucks too bad, it may skip the killmail (AND THIS HURTS A KILLMAIL HOOKIE, mkay  )
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Guardians of the Dawn
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.26 11:03:00 -
[76]
Originally by: JonnyWarhawk
I see a lot of typhoons on killboards... not sure what that says but I'm sure it says something. ;D
say that a lot of people use it!
There is no ship that appear more in killboards than stilletos and sabres, do anyone think theya re bad because of that?
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
Hayward Cyprus
Caldari
Exiled.
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Posted - 2007.08.26 11:21:00 -
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Scorpion is hands down the worst, because it does next to no damage (any decent cruiser does more). Using ECM mean you have no tank and die in no time, using damps on it is plain stupid, because then you could just use a raven with 6 damps + do some decent damage + have a better armor tank (only difference is the cost of the BS).
Next to that comes Apoc (which can only do some strange setups to be useful, there isn't even a point in puting lasers on, which actually gives some interesting possibilities).
And on a side note to all the people complaining about fitting issues, go and try to fit out any tier 1 or 2 BS in the game and see that you can't just slap on biggest guns, biggest tank and biggest speed mmkay? Works on NO Battleship (tier 1 and 2 mind you). Scorp being an exception, but it's pittiful in any fitting other than ECM.
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Constantine Arcanum
PURE Legion
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.08.26 11:26:00 -
[78]
apocalypse is downright diabolical.
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Lisento Slaven
Amarr
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.08.26 12:56:00 -
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It's been a really long time since I've flown an apoc (like...a year and a half?). Back then there was no Abaddon and the Apoc was better for sniping. Now I see no reason to snipe in the Apoc.
Give the apoc a bonus to smartbomb cap use and I'll put good use to that ship on gates in a low-sec system near you =P
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Put in space whales!
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d'hofren
Applied Eugenics
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.08.26 13:04:00 -
[80]
Originally by: burek
Typhoon is a pretty good solo ship. It has one great thing going for it, most people will not run away but aggro back coz of the popular opinion that it's crap.
It's a skills thing, new BS pilots buy it because it is cheap. In reality to get decent performance from a phoon you need, TII AC's, TII hvy Drones, TII torps or cruise, (maybe you could cope without), + your nav skills, AWU V, rig skills to get the grid and armor tank skills. Probably close to 20mil dedicated sp's really.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Guardians of the Dawn
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.26 17:36:00 -
[81]
Originally by: d'hofren
Originally by: burek
Typhoon is a pretty good solo ship. It has one great thing going for it, most people will not run away but aggro back coz of the popular opinion that it's crap.
It's a skills thing, new BS pilots buy it because it is cheap. In reality to get decent performance from a phoon you need, TII AC's, TII hvy Drones, TII torps or cruise, (maybe you could cope without), + your nav skills, AWU V, rig skills to get the grid and armor tank skills. Probably close to 20mil dedicated sp's really.
that si why atackign a phoon is a bet, can go very well or horrribly wrong.
Other BS don 't change much from 10 M sp to 20 M sp chars liek maesltroms, Rokh Apocalipse etc...
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
Cudeiro
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.08.26 18:18:00 -
[82]
The CrapocalypseÖ hands down!
It's great being Amarr, aint it?
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aquontium
Gallente
Fourth Circle
Total Comfort
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Posted - 2007.08.26 20:13:00 -
[83]
Quote:
^ courtesy of an old mate long since lost to WoW and the dreaded 'girlfriend' module (Tech2 I think) 
It works a treat, and now you can rig it up for xXx lub
So he's definitely progressed past 'best named'?
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Hazimaller
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Posted - 2007.08.26 20:34:00 -
[84]
even mentioning the typhoon in a thread like this demonstrates nothing but ignorance.
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Harrana
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.08.26 21:00:00 -
[85]
Typhoon = Uber DPS loving
Scorp = Uber jamming/tanking
Apoc = ....nossing tank boat? waste of minerals?
Apoc Sucks
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Harrana: Corpless Hobo
Status: Inactive in a Gutter
Condition: Inebriated
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Veryez
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Posted - 2007.08.27 00:59:00 -
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Sadly I find the Scorpion to be the worst BS (sadly, because it is my favorite ship model).
Uber tank - no, shield tanks aren't that great. I've found the max domi tank to be much better.
ECM Beast - hardly, the rook beats it hands down and it is completely negated by 1 ECCM module.
Damp Setup - That's what Gallente recons are for.
It's a second rate ship. Sure there are some tricked up setups that can work, but I wouldn't recommend trying them more than a few times against the same enemies.
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Talthrus
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.27 07:55:00 -
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Edited by: Talthrus on 27/08/2007 07:56:49
Apoc is currently the grand mobile of all things useless. Mine has been forever banished to salvage and scoop loot left behind by my geddon.
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Wideen
Resurrection
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.08.27 07:55:00 -
[88]
Dunno what people have against the phoon but that is my favorite BS hands down!
I know CCP clain minmatar to be "versatile" which usually isn't the case at all but the phoon is the epitome of versatility. It has guns, missiles and drones - and a godly tank, at least I think so of course depending how you tank it out but nuff to say I utilize all the 7 lows for the tank.
It can easily kill eveything between frigs and BS, and it can do them all pretty fast. And I'd have to agree with the general notion that is takes lots of skills to fly it properly. Not to say that I am that person, but with good skills you'll get good DPS out of it. Best thing is it's tier 1 so it's cheap too.
Originally by: P'uck
I know somebody who heard somebody say that an Osprey defeated Chuck Norris. Twice. Need I say more?
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Trefnis
Minmatar
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.27 10:18:00 -
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I honestly dont know what you ppl see in phoon.
Im fly only matari ship, just for the phoon i trained
2t sieges, then t2 cruises and i still can do everything
better in pest.
If i need tank/gank i take mael,
for diversity i take pest
why would i take phoon for ?
pest have more grid, get better dmg with dmg mods and have
more mids for ewar.
As for speed, pest is fast enough (not talking about crazy nano setups).
the only thing that i found phoon to be good at was full
passive tank with plate and trimarks and not a single cap using mod (bar mids for tackle) to kill those nosdomis :)
but as i see i have to be doing something wrong then
i think ill try again, (710 with barrage and normal torps
is not that bad for no dmg mod fit)
as for worst bs i cant tell dont fly scorp nor apoc
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Dristra
Amarr
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.27 12:35:00 -
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A native laser reduction bonus, and switching the cap reduction on lasers "bonus" for a real bonus would make the apoc happy.
It's great being Amarr isn't it.
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