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Pirokobo
Caldari
Orion Academy
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Posted - 2007.08.27 12:54:00 -
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Edited by: Pirokobo on 27/08/2007 12:54:18
Apoc, though I'm not happy about it.
As has been pointed out repeatedly, cap bonuses don't work in pvp unless your goal is to walk around holding a sign saying "NOS me".
The Apoc needs to be reworked as a logistics BS. Change the bonuses to favor support work.
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smoogie
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2007.08.28 02:59:00 -
[92]
Edited by: smoogie on 28/08/2007 02:59:22
Latest tally
Apoc - 24
Typhoon - 3
Scorpion - 8
Apoc clear winner, scorpion overtakes phoon as second worst.
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Liang Nuren
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.08.28 03:16:00 -
[93]
 Originally by: Pirokobo
Edited by: Pirokobo on 27/08/2007 12:54:18
Apoc, though I'm not happy about it.
As has been pointed out repeatedly, cap bonuses don't work in pvp unless your goal is to walk around holding a sign saying "NOS me".
The Apoc needs to be reworked as a logistics BS. Change the bonuses to favor support work.
That would actually be really cool... Caldari gets an EW BS, Amarr gets a logistics BS. Pity that everyone would still whine about having a useless battleship. =(
Liang
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Lithalnas
Amarr
Hadean Drive Yards
Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2007.08.28 03:23:00 -
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apoc is an excellent ship for mining 0.0 and tanking NPCs, and its good for repping those station component things.
Wait an Apoc can shoot at things?
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Admus
Mobius Construct
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.08.28 03:31:00 -
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It's hard for me to say as I've not flown the Apoc, though I've heard many complaints about it. However I think the Typhoon is quite good considering its speed and versatility, as well as respectable DPS potential when well-skilled.
Concerning the Scorpion:
Many people argue that the reason it is good right now is because it is always called primary - obviously most consider it a threat. However, I'd like to counter this by saying that while it is somewhat threatening in a gang, it is also paper-thin, with almost no tank at all when used to its full ECM capacity.
When fleet commanders make calls for attack, they not only consider the danger of the individual ships, but also what it will take to eliminate it. If the Scorpion could have even a simple tank without seriously hindering its ECM strength, perhaps FCs would decide not to kill it since the time cost of breaking its tank would outweigh the effects of its ECM. But since it's so easy to pop currently, it is immediately called primary for a quick kill and removal of the ECM threat. Although, I imagine there is also some pre-ecm-nerf habits lingering in some FCs.
I hope I've made that somewhat clear. As for the worst, I would probably say the Apoc. I know, I know, I have no experience flying it, but it seems like any job it does could be done better by either of the other two Amarr BS, whereas the Typhoon is a useful ship in many ways, and the Scorp, while difficult to use effectively, does have a very clearly-defined role.
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Rexy
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.28 09:14:00 -
[96]
Originally by: smoogie
Edited by: smoogie on 28/08/2007 02:59:22
Latest tally
Apoc - 24
Typhoon - 3
Scorpion - 8
Apoc clear winner, scorpion overtakes phoon as second worst.
Amarrians are clearly the biggest whiners, with caldari second and minmatar third.
I'd compare on reasons instead of postcount tbh,remember that there are many more amarr/caldari pilots and ships then minmatar ones.
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Cookie
Snakeoil Industries Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.08.28 09:39:00 -
[97]
Originally by: smoogie
Edited by: smoogie on 28/08/2007 02:59:22
Latest tally
Apoc - 24
Typhoon - 3
Scorpion - 8
Apoc clear winner, scorpion overtakes phoon as second worst.
Well, when i read this, we know all what will happen....
NERF GALLENTE !!1!1!!one
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ClogMan
Caldari
Unknown-Heroes
KA0S Theory
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Posted - 2007.08.28 10:53:00 -
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For those who think the phoon sucks, try look at the "Matari.mkv" video by Gauss Belloid.
It shows some examples on how it can be used.
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Pan Crastus
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.08.28 11:12:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Rexy
Originally by: smoogie
Edited by: smoogie on 28/08/2007 02:59:22
Latest tally
Apoc - 24
Typhoon - 3
Scorpion - 8
Apoc clear winner, scorpion overtakes phoon as second worst.
Amarrians are clearly the biggest whiners, with caldari second and minmatar third.
QFT ... Noone bothers with whining about useless Minmatar ships anymore. Fortunately we still have 2-3 good ships (Vagabond, Huginn/Rapier) ... And the best T1 frigate. ;-P
EVE Online: a cold, cruel world where (RL-)rich people replace their losses with GTCs sold to poor students who need to farm ISK to afford their play time ...
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lyrenna
Caldari
The Renaissance
The Makhai
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Posted - 2007.08.28 11:34:00 -
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no phoon isnt the worst, its just to much sp intensive.
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Lishan Kamatar
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Posted - 2007.08.28 11:43:00 -
[101]
Originally by: smoogie
Edited by: smoogie on 28/08/2007 02:59:22
Latest tally
Apoc - 24
Typhoon - 3
Scorpion - 8
Apoc clear winner, scorpion overtakes phoon as second worst.
i think you shoul add the votes saying the phoon isnt crappy :)
also imo worst 3 are..
apoc - general crap
abddon - cap use probs
rohk - no real damage for a sniper but v nice tank
best bs imo is the phoon cheep sooo versitile great dammage / tank / cap hindering potential :)
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General Apocalypse
Amarr
The Merchant Marines
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Posted - 2007.08.28 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: Pan Crastus
Originally by: Rexy
Originally by: smoogie
Edited by: smoogie on 28/08/2007 02:59:22
Latest tally
Apoc - 24
Typhoon - 3
Scorpion - 8
Apoc clear winner, scorpion overtakes phoon as second worst.
Amarrians are clearly the biggest whiners, with caldari second and minmatar third.
QFT ... Noone bothers with whining about useless Minmatar ships anymore. Fortunately we still have 2-3 good ships (Vagabond, Huginn/Rapier) ... And the best T1 frigate. ;-P
Don't forget about the Sabre , Stiletto , Jaguar , Slepnir , Tempest and Maelstrom
Originally by: Jita Alt
DOH, you're right, i'm an idiot >_<
Originally by: CCP Morpheus
nerf ccp plz
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