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Awox Advanced Logistics	Posted - 2007.08.25 05:00:00 - [1] I think this change is big enough to warrant a separate thread from any others that I may have been created. (rofl sif I would search) Quote: Interdictor warp disrupt probes will now prevent warp, even if the warp is already initiated. This means a few different things: No longer can a dictor pilot drop a bubble after entering warp to slow down an enemy force who are giving chase. No longer will it be so easy for a fast gang to escape vengeance if there is a ballsy dictor pilot in the chase gang willing to risk his ship to bubble the fleeing gang. Motherships and indeed Titans will be much easier to kill (in 0.0 obviously) as they can no longer initiate warp after all of the bubbles on it have ran out or have been smartbombed. A new bubble will now void that warp. Ratters who fit WCS and sue FoF missiles to NPC with will now be much easier to catch, at the moment if a 6 WCS Raven (I have seen one, seriously) initiate warps the second he sees someone enter local he is as good as safe. Discuss.
Cyan Nuevo Dudes In Crazy Killing Ships	Posted - 2007.08.25 05:11:00 - [2] I (seriously) doubt you've seen a 6-WCS Raven. Anyway, yeah, it's a great change. --- Proud Amarr pilot.
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2007.08.25 05:13:00 - [3] Originally by: Cyan Nuevo I (seriously) doubt you've seen a 6-WCS Raven. /me giggles
Awox Advanced Logistics	Posted - 2007.08.25 05:15:00 - [4] Originally by: Cyan Nuevo I (seriously) doubt you've seen a 6-WCS Raven. Anyway, yeah, it's a great change. Grins Of course, Ravens do not have that many lows.. but you understand the point still. Also, I have seen 6 WCS fit to bomber battleships :P
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.08.25 06:27:00 - [5] Its about time this change came in . thumbs up
Haffrage Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.08.25 06:37:00 - [6] Originally by: Cyan Nuevo I (seriously) doubt you've seen a 6-WCS Raven. Anyway, yeah, it's a great change. If you still mean that for 5, I've run into a few myself. Mostly at gates we had bubbled when they jumped in though T2 Tier 2 Battlecruisers \| Eve GUI Tweaks
Kazuma Saruwatari	Posted - 2007.08.25 07:42:00 - [7] so that means a dictor bubble will break one's warp midway? ZOMG AMBUSH IN BETWEEN GATES?! As unlikely as that sounds, if that were possible now, I'm definately skilling for dictors... - NPC Vendetta system, Local rehash, Probe decoys
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.08.25 07:46:00 - [8] Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari so that means a dictor bubble will break one's warp midway? ZOMG AMBUSH IN BETWEEN GATES?! As unlikely as that sounds, if that were possible now, I'm definately skilling for dictors... Doubt it...as far as I know once you're in warp the only way you're leaving is on the grid of your destination. Though I would love to be wrong. ------------ Whiners - Unite! \| Posting and You Tarminic - Forum Warfare Specialist.
Illyria Ambri RennTech	Posted - 2007.08.25 07:48:00 - [9] Yes.. as nice as this sounds,.. thats gonna hurt since noone would EVER know if there was a bubble camp anymore till you hit it ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Here come the Drums!! - The Master
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.25 08:37:00 - [10] Originally by: Illyria Ambri Yes.. as nice as this sounds,.. thats gonna hurt since noone would EVER know if there was a bubble camp anymore till you hit it Nothing operationaly has been changed about bubble mechanics. If you did not know there was a bubble camp before, then you wont know now. It does not pull people out of midwarp if that is what you are thinking. All it does is fix a loophole where you spam the warp command 0.00001 or more seconds before a bubble is dropped would allow you to ignore the effects of the bubble, even if it took you 2 minutes to align. -- Billion Isk Mission
Illyria Ambri RennTech	Posted - 2007.08.25 09:07:00 - [11] Edited by: Illyria Ambri on 25/08/2007 09:07:49 I was refering to Kazumas comment about getting bubbled midwarp and getting pulled out of warp between gates rather then at the gate. You could warp in and not find a bubble.. think your "safe" then warp to the next gate and get snagged in a bubble halfway there. Would be cool if that were possible.. but very painful to adapt to.. probably have to revert to BM hell rather then straight lining it between gates ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Here come the Drums!! - The Master
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.08.25 09:36:00 - [12] Very long overdue fix of a really bad ... game mechanics/exploit. Good one!! Now you cannot warp away if you are bubbled. Lag (so that enemy dictor can't deploy bubble and you initiate warp in the meantime) won't save you any more. Bubbles won't break the warp tunnel, they never did and this won't change with this patch either.
Nicocat Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.08.25 20:25:00 - [13] Surprised there isn't more whining... ---------------- Originally by: Splagada SEED ME DADDY Down with alts! One character per account per IP!
Pilk Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.08.25 20:52:00 - [14] Originally by: Nicocat Surprised there isn't more whining... Most people recognize that this is how bubbles should have worked, from the beginning. It's also been a longstanding item on the "known issues" list, so we knew CCP regarded it as a bug, too. All that said, I think supercaps have now been far too nerfed. I'm curious what the plan is to make them relevant on the front lines again. As it stands after these last few changes, the only time you can deploy supercaps is when you have either a supercap blob (2 or more Titans or 3+ moms) or you have conventional superiority. --P Kosh: The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.
heheheh Singularity. Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.08.25 20:59:00 - [15] Originally by: Cyan Nuevo I (seriously) doubt you've seen a 6-WCS Raven. Anyway, yeah, it's a great change. ahaa Now i know what his 6 point stiletto was for.
Mr Broker Station Gremlings	Posted - 2007.08.25 21:42:00 - [16] what about warping 100km to a gate and being pulled into the mobile bubble that is 40km away from you? that sounds like a bug?
FreelancerAlpha	Posted - 2007.08.25 22:50:00 - [17] Wait, so you can't set a bubble between gates? I always wondered why intercepting pilots didn't do that. As above poster asked, why then do bubbles pull us away from things? Like, even if its not in the exact direct line, just being near it seems to pull us in. (Although those are the big perma bubbles not the little dictor probe things)
Nanobotter Mk2	Posted - 2007.08.25 23:12:00 - [18] Quote: Would be cool if that were possible.. but very painful to adapt to.. probably have to revert to BM hell rather then straight lining it between gates wouldn't be cool imho, would just lead to even more gimptards camping warp routes for easy low risk kills. What would be really cool if that after attempting to scramble someone YOU yourself could not warp for 5 minutes.... and neither could any of your gang....then we could get some REAL fights instead of the current ***** pvp eve has.
Nicholas Barker MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2007.08.25 23:36:00 - [19] i've seen and killed a 5 wcs raven with just a crow and a megathron, (me watching bold killing, don't take the ****, wtf else if a tackling crow going to do against a 5 wcs raven?) ---
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2007.08.25 23:44:00 - [20] Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2 Quote: Would be cool if that were possible.. but very painful to adapt to.. probably have to revert to BM hell rather then straight lining it between gates wouldn't be cool imho, would just lead to even more gimptards camping warp routes for easy low risk kills. What would be really cool if that after attempting to scramble someone YOU yourself could not warp for 5 minutes.... and neither could any of your gang....then we could get some REAL fights instead of the current *** pvp eve has. If they added that mechanic, "*** pvp'ers" as you put it, wouldn't use the tactics as they do now, they would form up even bigger blobs to make sure any attempt at retaliation would fail. It would also destroy hit-n-run pvp, leaving major blob lagfests everywhere as the only form of pvp. Now ask yourself, is this really what you want? Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Elles D Caldari Sol Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.26 00:13:00 - [21] Aaaaaaand in other news, thanks a bunch for ******* over my nos setups.
Reem Fairchild	Posted - 2007.08.26 00:22:00 - [22] Originally by: FreelancerAlpha Wait, so you can't set a bubble between gates? I always wondered why intercepting pilots didn't do that. As above poster asked, why then do bubbles pull us away from things? Like, even if its not in the exact direct line, just being near it seems to pull us in. (Although those are the big perma bubbles not the little dictor probe things) If you are warping on a line that goes through the bubble, and the point at which your warp ends is within 150 km of the bubble (even if that point is before the bubble), the bubble will pull you in and you will end up at its periferi.
Hellspawn01 Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries	Posted - 2007.08.26 00:25:00 - [23] What about emergency warps? Will this change stop loggers too? Ship lovers click here
chi hanzo	Posted - 2007.08.26 01:03:00 - [24] Will smartbombs still destroy warp disruption probes after the patch?
SirMoric	Posted - 2007.08.26 01:18:00 - [25] Sounds like a good fix. But an idea to place bubbles between gates would actually be real cool, since you would have a real good reason to stop gatecamping and for once giving both the hunter and the hunted a fair chance if they're cunning. Gatecamping seems directely stupid and doesn't really require a masterdegree to do, to intercept people between gates and to avoid interception makes the hunting more fun. rgds
Reem Fairchild	Posted - 2007.08.26 01:21:00 - [26] Originally by: Hellspawn01 What about emergency warps? Will this change stop loggers too? Bubbles were changed so that they stop emergency warps from logging out back in the spring, so yes.
Reem Fairchild	Posted - 2007.08.26 01:25:00 - [27] Originally by: SirMoric Gatecamping seems directely stupid and doesn't really require a masterdegree to do, to intercept people between gates and to avoid interception makes the hunting more fun. rgds Except that getting through most gate camps is pretty easy.
Jawas Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.26 03:20:00 - [28] Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: Hellspawn01 What about emergency warps? Will this change stop loggers too? Bubbles were changed so that they stop emergency warps from logging out back in the spring, so yes. That excludes me from 0.0 then. My client lags out and DC's when there's only 5 or 6 at the gate when I jump in. It's a nightmare around busy systems and would result in an instant ship (and maybe pod) loss in 0.0 -- Sig design in training: Remaining time 30 years 20 days, 4 hours, 10 mins, 15 seconds.
Captian Internet	Posted - 2007.08.26 03:26:00 - [29] Originally by: Nicocat Surprised there isn't more whining... Because there are no bubbles in highsec also farmers don't use the forums
Captian Internet	Posted - 2007.08.26 03:27:00 - [30] Originally by: Jawas Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: Hellspawn01 What about emergency warps? Will this change stop loggers too? Bubbles were changed so that they stop emergency warps from logging out back in the spring, so yes. That excludes me from 0.0 then. My client lags out and DC's when there's only 5 or 6 at the gate when I jump in. It's a nightmare around busy systems and would result in an instant ship (and maybe pod) loss in 0.0 Its amazing enough that you've found a way to access the internet through a toaster
umop 3pisdn Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.08.26 06:48:00 - [31] I dont like the change simply because a fleeing gang cant drop bubbles behind them anymore... even though everyone had instas, we never saw battleship gangs of 30+ keeping pace with small hac gangs... I guess we'll just have to keep nanoing. Also this will do SFA about stabbed ravens, the stabs arent the problem at all, local is, and showing standings in local doesnt help much either. You cant even catch them in an inty unless they get distracted or lazy (hard for a macro to get lazy). The only positive of this change is that if screws over super capitals (they need it.)
althan gnartians	Posted - 2007.08.26 07:13:00 - [32] Originally by: umop 3pisdn I dont like the change simply because a fleeing gang cant drop bubbles behind them anymore... even though everyone had instas, we never saw battleship gangs of 30+ keeping pace with small hac gangs... Dictors are fast ships and arent slow at warp dropping bubbles behind just got a bit less easy, it¦s still a viable tactic, you just need to leave the dictor out of the gang warp they can easily mwd out of their bubble and catch up on outgoing gate.
Zalathar Minmatar Biometaloid INC	Posted - 2007.08.26 07:58:00 - [33] WOOHOO! lets all bask in the sweet fuzzy odour of another supercaptial nerf! ~~~~~~ mods, if you think i'm ugly please say "eeek!" ~~~~~~ eeeeeekk - Deckard eeeeee...K -Darth Patches gawwwd damn!!1 -zhuge you soo pretty I think you're stunningly handsome and let me just say that you're wearing that dead parrot on your shoulder in a particularly dashing way today. -Hango Your using up all the space hango! - Timmeh
Awox Advanced Logistics	Posted - 2007.08.26 09:02:00 - [34] Originally by: althan gnartians Dictors are fast ships and arent slow at warp dropping bubbles behind just got a bit less easy, it¦s still a viable tactic, you just need to leave the dictor out of the gang warp they can easily mwd out of their bubble and catch up on outgoing gate. Exactly. Now this maneuver takes skill. Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: Hellspawn01 What about emergency warps? Will this change stop loggers too? Bubbles were changed so that they stop emergency warps from logging out back in the spring, so yes. Unless the emergancy warp was initiated before the bubble was dropped. i.e. a roaming ganksquad spot a raven who has left local as soon as someone has entered, but their dictor manages to dictor him before his ship warps off. Will it prevent his warp? I wonder. I tried to get people to test with me on sisi but everyone was more interested in testing their nanoishtar setups and unbreakable drakes.
marakor Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers	Posted - 2007.08.26 09:45:00 - [35] Originally by: althan gnartians Originally by: umop 3pisdn I dont like the change simply because a fleeing gang cant drop bubbles behind them anymore... even though everyone had instas, we never saw battleship gangs of 30+ keeping pace with small hac gangs... Dictors are fast ships and arent slow at warp dropping bubbles behind just got a bit less easy, it¦s still a viable tactic, you just need to leave the dictor out of the gang warp they can easily mwd out of their bubble and catch up on outgoing gate. I didnt think that ppl dropped bubbles on the gate they jumped through to slow followers anymore most ppl jump the dictor to the outgate at 30 or 40km and drop the bubble there and mwd to the gate and jump. It will now take a bit better timing as you do not want to catch any of your buddies but its still better than dropping in on the out gate.
Awox Advanced Logistics	Posted - 2007.08.26 10:59:00 - [36] Originally by: marakor I didnt think that ppl dropped bubbles on the gate they jumped through to slow followers anymore most ppl jump the dictor to the outgate at 30 or 40km and drop the bubble there and mwd to the gate and jump. It will now take a bit better timing as you do not want to catch any of your buddies but its still better than dropping in on the out gate. Well, bubbling the out gate is the effective way to slow down another gang on your tail, but it takes time which you may not have (they might be on the other side of the gate already so they could jump in and enter warp before the dictor drops out of warp on the out gate) and it also gives away your heading (scouts split up to find you, they don't even need to jump into the next system they will just assume the one a dictor sphere is 40km off)
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.26 11:08:00 - [37] Originally by: Zalathar Edited by: Zalathar on 26/08/2007 08:11:34 WOOHOO! lets all bask in the sweet fuzzy odour of another supercaptial nerf! And i know you can now move through wrecks/cans/biomass, but if the warp can be killed at any point, the capital is still dead. and we need more super capital nerfage. I 've been seeign for 3 days titans warp in with DD damage detonate the verys isntant it arrives and already in warp 2 secodns later. Not very good for game that. Man I could not even lock him witha 2 sensor boosted battleship before he warps. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Zalathar Minmatar Biometaloid INC	Posted - 2007.08.26 17:00:00 - [38] Originally by: Kagura Nikon Originally by: Zalathar Edited by: Zalathar on 26/08/2007 08:11:34 WOOHOO! lets all bask in the sweet fuzzy odour of another supercaptial nerf! And i know you can now move through wrecks/cans/biomass, but if the warp can be killed at any point, the capital is still dead. and we need more super capital nerfage. I 've been seeign for 3 days titans warp in with DD damage detonate the verys isntant it arrives and already in warp 2 secodns later. Not very good for game that. Man I could not even lock him witha 2 sensor boosted battleship before he warps. ATM it is pretty comonly agreed that titans are no loger cost effective, and that motherships have been dieing like flies since the big super-cap nerf in rev II. This is just another kick in the nuts to those who can afford to build supercaps... IF it costs 80 billion, IT SHOULD BE POWERFULL! ~~~~~~ mods, if you think i'm ugly please say "eeek!" ~~~~~~ eeeeeekk - Deckard eeeeee...K -Darth Patches gawwwd damn!!1 -zhuge you soo pretty I think you're stunningly handsome and let me just say that you're wearing that dead parrot on your shoulder in a particularly dashing way today. -Hango Your using up all the space hango! - Timmeh
Barthezz Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.26 17:06:00 - [39] Originally by: Kagura Nikon and we need more super capital nerfage. I 've been seeign for 3 days titans warp in with DD damage detonate the verys isntant it arrives and already in warp 2 secodns later. Not very good for game that. Man I could not even lock him witha 2 sensor boosted battleship before he warps. Yet this patch wont stop the invincible MC titan (at least one of the "how many titans" knows how to use it). It will screw over the motherships on the frontline though. Not sure if they needed more nerfing though.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.26 17:18:00 - [40] Originally by: Zalathar Originally by: Kagura Nikon Originally by: Zalathar Edited by: Zalathar on 26/08/2007 08:11:34 WOOHOO! lets all bask in the sweet fuzzy odour of another supercaptial nerf! And i know you can now move through wrecks/cans/biomass, but if the warp can be killed at any point, the capital is still dead. and we need more super capital nerfage. I 've been seeign for 3 days titans warp in with DD damage detonate the verys isntant it arrives and already in warp 2 secodns later. Not very good for game that. Man I could not even lock him witha 2 sensor boosted battleship before he warps. ATM it is pretty comonly agreed that titans are no loger cost effective, and that motherships have been dieing like flies since the big super-cap nerf in rev II. This is just another kick in the nuts to those who can afford to build supercaps... IF it costs 80 billion, IT SHOULD BE POWERFULL! pretty much agreed? How many of this agreeing peoples have been on the recievign side of a doomsday on last 1 month? Have you..? Let me see about 7 time on last 3 days... more than 200 titans kills, it warps out in 1 second, as impossible to kill as before. yeahh very cost innefective... pfff If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Reem Fairchild	Posted - 2007.08.26 17:27:00 - [41] Originally by: Zalathar ATM it is pretty comonly agreed that titans are no loger cost effective, and that motherships have been dieing like flies since the big super-cap nerf in rev II. This is just another kick in the nuts to those who can afford to build supercaps... IF it costs 80 billion, IT SHOULD BE POWERFULL! Powerful, not invincible. If it tries to run into a large fleet on its own, it should go poof no matter how much it costs.
Azirapheal Amarr Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.08.26 17:36:00 - [42] anyone else notice how it said probe... not bubble? Originally by: CCP Wrangler you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for.
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.26 17:38:00 - [43] Originally by: Dr Fighter Originally by: Cyan Nuevo I (seriously) doubt you've seen a 6-WCS Raven. /me giggles lock, go to bed, when you wake up you got a target! ------ Proud Janitor of Tides of Silence

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