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Shi Lang	Posted - 2007.08.30 17:13:00 - [1] the best way to create accountability as to reduce the occurance of scams and to make players and theyre alts responsible for their actions would be to initialize an ingame system of "courts" completely supported by CCP, where if player A is scammed by player B player A can sopenna his character/alt ie the player himself to an ingame court where CCP looks at the evidence provided and makes a ruling where if player B is found accountable player B has the ISK worth of the scam deducted from his account as long as no EULA violations had occured, example Curzon Dax stealing the Navy Raven of a ISK buyer, pfft thats just dealing justice not scamming. Just operate it completely on Common law or Napoleonic Code principles s that scam of scams or frivolous lawsuits are easily tossed aside and real work is done. Neh?
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Sicarri Covenant	Posted - 2007.08.30 17:14:00 - [2] Scamming is allowed.... just not of GTCs. CCP has spoken on this already. Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking ~Liz Kali
Smacktalking Alt	Posted - 2007.08.30 17:19:00 - [3] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Scamming is allowed.... just not of GTCs. CCP has spoken on this already. Perhaps you didn't quite understand the OP. He's suggesting ingame consequences for scamming.
lofty29 Aliastra	Posted - 2007.08.30 17:22:00 - [4] Originally by: Smacktalking Alt Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Scamming is allowed.... just not of GTCs. CCP has spoken on this already. Perhaps you didn't quite understand the OP. He's suggesting ingame consequences for scamming. No, he's suggesting CCP hold his hand and wipe his ass-cr*ck for him because he's not competant enough to avoid a scam. Scamming is allowed in eve, end of. Yes it's harsh, yes it's down-handed mostly, but it's just the way things go. --- Project Mayhem 2
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.30 17:22:00 - [5] Originally by: Shi Lang the best way to create accountability as to reduce the occurance of scams and to make players and theyre alts responsible for their actions would be to initialize an ingame system of "courts" completely supported by CCP, where if player A is scammed by player B player A can sopenna his character/alt ie the player himself to an ingame court where CCP looks at the evidence provided and makes a ruling where if player B is found accountable player B has the ISK worth of the scam deducted from his account as long as no EULA violations had occured, example Curzon Dax stealing the Navy Raven of a ISK buyer, pfft thats just dealing justice not scamming. Just operate it completely on Common law or Napoleonic Code principles s that scam of scams or frivolous lawsuits are easily tossed aside and real work is done. Neh? 1 - needlesly complicated 2 - ties up men and resources 3 - how much did you lose ? 4 - are you going to pay the CCP employees that do this if CCP decided to implement it out of your own pocket ? I'm not neutral in RAGOON vs BOB, I just dislike both sides. :)
Fortuk Monmouth MetaForge Ekliptika	Posted - 2007.08.30 17:22:00 - [6] Edited by: Fortuk Monmouth on 30/08/2007 17:25:29 Originally by: Smacktalking Alt Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Scamming is allowed.... just not of GTCs. CCP has spoken on this already. Perhaps you didn't quite understand the OP. He's suggesting ingame consequences for scamming. perhaps you didnt quite understand surfin's plunderbunny....ccp allows scams because it is a part of eve, like rl, people will and can scam you, you have to be smarter and not fall for the scams. scamming of real money though is something else entirely. lofty your in a noob corp! did ccp nerf your awesome moneymaker? (srry i have been away for a while, no idead whats going on....) Originally by: hango Our corp chat is generally full of people e-hugging and e-snuggling. ISD is cool like that.
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.30 17:23:00 - [7] Originally by: lofty29 Originally by: Smacktalking Alt Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Scamming is allowed.... just not of GTCs. CCP has spoken on this already. Perhaps you didn't quite understand the OP. He's suggesting ingame consequences for scamming. No, he's suggesting CCP hold his hand and wipe his ass-cr*ck for him because he's not competant enough to avoid a scam. Scamming is allowed in eve, end of. Yes it's harsh, yes it's down-handed mostly, but it's just the way things go. And he's also suggesting it in a very very very bad way that doesn't leave much to the immagination regarding his maturity. I'm not neutral in RAGOON vs BOB, I just dislike both sides. :)
lofty29 Aliastra	Posted - 2007.08.30 17:24:00 - [8] Originally by: Setana Manoro Originally by: lofty29 Originally by: Smacktalking Alt Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Scamming is allowed.... just not of GTCs. CCP has spoken on this already. Perhaps you didn't quite understand the OP. He's suggesting ingame consequences for scamming. No, he's suggesting CCP hold his hand and wipe his ass-cr*ck for him because he's not competant enough to avoid a scam. Scamming is allowed in eve, end of. Yes it's harsh, yes it's down-handed mostly, but it's just the way things go. And he's also suggesting it in a very very very bad way that doesn't leave much to the immagination regarding his maturity. So one cant put a point forward bluntly now? --- Project Mayhem 2
Bodhisattvas mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.08.30 17:27:00 - [9] If your stupid enough to get scammed I think you should use the following link as a reference guide as to how to deal with it. Link
Smacktalking Alt	Posted - 2007.08.30 17:28:00 - [10] Edited by: Smacktalking Alt on 30/08/2007 17:33:33 Originally by: Fortuk Monmouth Edited by: Fortuk Monmouth on 30/08/2007 17:25:29 Originally by: Smacktalking Alt Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Scamming is allowed.... just not of GTCs. CCP has spoken on this already. Perhaps you didn't quite understand the OP. He's suggesting ingame consequences for scamming. perhaps you didnt quite understand surfin's plunderbunny....ccp allows scams because it is a part of eve, like rl, people will and can scam you, you have to be smarter and not fall for the scams. scamming of real money though is something else entirely. And it would still be a part of Eve if the OP's suggestion were implemented. You forgot to mention in your RL example that when you scam someone, there are consequences if you are not smart about it. Of course you need to be smart when doing business with a stranger, but shouldn't you also have to be smart about scamming someone? I don't agree with the OP that all of the player's characters should be associated automatically. It should be the character called to answer for the scams, not the player.
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.30 17:37:00 - [11] Edited by: Setana Manoro on 30/08/2007 17:40:21 Originally by: Smacktalking Alt Originally by: Fortuk Monmouth Edited by: Fortuk Monmouth on 30/08/2007 17:25:29 Originally by: Smacktalking Alt Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Scamming is allowed.... just not of GTCs. CCP has spoken on this already. Perhaps you didn't quite understand the OP. He's suggesting ingame consequences for scamming. perhaps you didnt quite understand surfin's plunderbunny....ccp allows scams because it is a part of eve, like rl, people will and can scam you, you have to be smarter and not fall for the scams. scamming of real money though is something else entirely. And it would still be a part of Eve if the OP's suggestion were implemented. OP's suggestions are not ... rational. He wants something in the order of a set of laws about what is and what is not right in eve and wants every scam, to be thoroughly checked by CCP emplyees in according with this set of laws. With all the scams that take place in this game, who is going to pay for such a implementation ?; him ? Untill they implemented GTC sales through the website, you were lucky if you got a response to your regular "i lost my ship" petition in 1-2 weeks. Now you get your response in 1-2d. If such a change goes through, CCP either needs to hire all of the sudden a lot of ppl, school them into the new set of rules that will govern this gameworld, and pay them. This game is sold as a machiavelic world where you can scam, thief, spy, destroy and even chase someone through different corps untill you are either bored, or he gives up. It's a big sandbox with few rules and apart from those rules everything goes. Many of the players of EVE do not want scams to go away. EVE already has a set of rules : - if you get scammed with GTC's or with buying a char, you can petition and it will be solved. - if you get scammed while buying a GTC, but you bought it through eve-mail, scammer gets banned but you don't get refunded. - except for the 2 above rules, everything goes in regards to scamming. I'm not neutral in RAGOON vs BOB, I just dislike both sides. :)
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.30 17:45:00 - [12] there already ARE in game consequences for scamming you can block the fracking snot out of them Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve-Forums: Quote: Smacking my own alt in a nerf-thread while drunk, he was irritating a Hauler full of tech II n00bs, Oops.
Smacktalking Alt	Posted - 2007.08.30 17:55:00 - [13] Originally by: Setana Manoro OP's suggestions are not ... rational. He wants something in the order of a set of laws about what is and what is not right in eve and wants every scam, to be thoroughly checked by CCP emplyees in according with this set of laws. With all the scams that take place in this game, who is going to pay for such a implementation ?; him ? Untill they implemented GTC sales through the website, you were lucky if you got a response to your regular "i lost my ship" petition in 1-2 weeks. Now you get your response in 1-2d. If such a change goes through, CCP either needs to hire all of the sudden a lot of ppl, school them into the new set of rules that will govern this gameworld, and pay them. This game is sold as a machiavelic world where you can scam, thief, spy, destroy and even chase someone through different corps untill you are either bored, or he gives up. It's a big sandbox with few rules and apart from those rules everything goes. Many of the players of EVE do n. Tot want scams to go away. EVE already has a set of rules : - if you get scammed with GTC's or with buying a char, you can petition and it will be solved. - if you get scammed while buying a GTC, but you bought it through eve-mail, scammer gets banned but you don't get refunded. - except for the 2 above rules, everything goes in regards to scamming. Nowhere did I say the OP's suggestion is perfect. I do firmly believe, however, that there should be potential consequences for scamming if the scammer is careless about it. It goes without saying that, like any kind of PvP, it should be regulated only in high sec space, and yes, it would establish a set of laws about what is "right" there. It wouldn't be an automatic punishment for the scammer, there would have to be some ingame proof of the scam. It wouldn't go anywhere near to eliminating scams, though it would probably cut down on them. I know it's never going to be implemented, or even considered, but it would be an interesting new dimension to PvP, and I certainly don't think it deserves some of the knee-jerk resonses it's getting.
Nyck Not Your Common Killers	Posted - 2007.08.30 18:10:00 - [14] There are already potential consequences. It's called a war dec. And, yes, they can hide in a noob corp, I know. But, pay attention, and he may someday join a corp. Learn how to deal with your problems for yourself. ----------------------------------------------- Could someone tally how many times this topic has been beat to death?
hellsknights Hells Angels Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.30 18:20:00 - [15] Originally by: lofty29 Originally by: Smacktalking Alt Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Scamming is allowed.... just not of GTCs. CCP has spoken on this already. Perhaps you didn't quite understand the OP. He's suggesting ingame consequences for scamming. No, he's suggesting CCP hold his hand and wipe his ass-cr*ck for him because he's not competant enough to avoid a scam. Scamming is allowed in eve, end of. Yes it's harsh, yes it's down-handed mostly, but it's just the way things go. I agree............enough said recruitment thread Join channel Hells Angels Inc
Bellum Eternus Gallente Blood Corsair's The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.08.30 18:41:00 - [16] Originally by: Shi Lang the best way to create accountability as to reduce the occurance of scams and to make players and theyre alts responsible for their actions would be to initialize an ingame system of "courts" completely supported by CCP, where if player A is scammed by player B player A can sopenna his character/alt ie the player himself to an ingame court where CCP looks at the evidence provided and makes a ruling where if player B is found accountable player B has the ISK worth of the scam deducted from his account as long as no EULA violations had occured, example Curzon Dax stealing the Navy Raven of a ISK buyer, pfft thats just dealing justice not scamming. Just operate it completely on Common law or Napoleonic Code principles s that scam of scams or frivolous lawsuits are easily tossed aside and real work is done. Neh? The first thing to do after instituting laws in Eve- KILL ALL THE LAWYERS. I think it's obvious you're a law student somewhere. Laws arn't needed in a game where killing someone is legal. Don't like something someone did? Kill them. Repeatedly. [Video]Blood Corsairs - Day One
Shi Lang	Posted - 2007.08.30 20:53:00 - [17] firstly wow, I cannot believe how fast some people can utterly prove that they complete idiots, firstly its just an idea, secondly the point of a discussion thread is to discuss it, not to spam the OP with your immaturity. Thirdly it is NOT legal ingame to blow you up to smithereens, if someone steals your money and if they're in high sec you cannot destroy them, and war dows cost isk to implement and have the ability to backfire. Fourthly, hiring people t do the job is not neccasary, just say that if you can donate X many hours to it voluntarily and professionally you can get a Y% discount. The thing about bring the player accountable and not his char is because the scammer can theoretically delete his char, its better to bring the character himself accountable to try to encourage at least semi decent behavior like how in real life ther's generally enough peer or social pressure to prevent about 90% of people from being complete $#%holes. Fifthly as it turns out scamming is actually NOT condoned or supported by CCP, they offer a tonne of warnings about preventing scams to give them less work but it doesn't change that it is as it turns out not the official policy of CCP to allow scams, this is from a GM's word itself. If you think a completely player driven system of courts and offer "legal" career path in Eve and hopefully you can get the same result.
Gwoden Gallente Exa Utopia Exa Nation	Posted - 2007.08.30 20:54:00 - [18] Hmm... quick reminder This is a video game. _______________________________________________ There is no "I can't" only "I will".
Shi Lang	Posted - 2007.08.30 21:18:00 - [19] true, but i think for the vast majority of people who are new expecting people to be friendly only of course to end up getting taken advantaged of, and then unsubsribing from the game when if given te chance over time could of had a beneficial and positive contribution to the game, the game is open and freeform largely but this does not mean that everyone should behave like 12 year olds pretending to be big toughs when they're not, and to an extent to allow the vast majority of new players a chance to be immersed in the game certain precautions should be made before throwing them into the water to learn how to swim without a life jacket.
MirrorGod Heretic Army Fang Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.30 21:23:00 - [20] I honestly can't think of a better way to waste CCP employee's time. And what kind of excruciating job it would be, listening to whine after whine after whine. :fail:
Jak Silverheart Minmatar	Posted - 2007.08.30 21:56:00 - [21] Please no. We have pirates, carebears, traders, scammers, bums, theives, etc all in Eve-Online. But please for the love of god don't bring out the Lawyers. That is just an all new low which I don't think were all prepared for I mean that is just pure evil. Originally by: Scordite Who was it that said that flying minmatar is kinda like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair while firing an uzi?
Gwoden Gallente Exa Utopia Exa Nation	Posted - 2007.08.30 22:26:00 - [22] Originally by: Shi Lang certain precautions should be made before throwing them into the water to learn how to swim without a life jacket. And yet people still learn how to swim using that very method. But back on topic. I think the statement you want to make is a plea to the general player public to not scam, kill, or abuse new players. But instead educate them and warn them of things to come. I think this whole idea of having a legal system in game will ruin the fun in the game. Imagine having a court subpoena on the one day you have time to play the game. Or we all have to serve court duty. This idea is NO BUENO. _______________________________________________ There is no "I can't" only "I will".
Shi Lang	Posted - 2007.08.30 22:28:00 - [23] fine dont waste ccp's tiume, just make it a player driven mini profession, people will do it.
rand0 eastman Gallente Sadist Faction	Posted - 2007.08.30 22:51:00 - [24] Originally by: Shi Lang fine dont waste ccp's tiume, just make it a player driven mini profession, people will do it. your right people will do it... and exploit it and twist it and scam it to their own ends. thats simply the likable nature of eve. as it stands its an implimentation that is neither needed nor wanted (using my powers of foruming trolling assumption here), by the majority player base and their alts! in short nothing in this game comes for free and those who are under the belief it does are asking to get scammed, well them and their spendthrift short attntion span cousins.
Captian Internet	Posted - 2007.08.30 23:36:00 - [25] Originally by: Shi Lang fine dont waste ccp's tiume, just make it a player driven mini profession, people will do it. like professional scouting right? Oh wait Local Thread 107-b
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.08.31 01:25:00 - [26] Now released from CCP/White Wolf: Revelations III-EvE Lawyer Expansion Pack -More accounting -Automated forum quote pyramid generator -Further tools for vivesection of opposing views -Walking in stations to include briefcase accessory pack -Legal Aid for outlaws -and much...much more. "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Sicarri Covenant	Posted - 2007.08.31 01:56:00 - [27] Would I have a right to counsil? Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking ~Liz Kali
Shi Lang	Posted - 2007.08.31 02:16:00 - [28] seems to be a fundamental lack of understanding on how this works, if a lawyer screws you, you can hire another lawyer to sue him, you see? It balances itself out as long as some lawyers are not *******s (hard to imagine i know) the system will largely work and will largely solve the scamming problem by making people more accountable for their actions. Also yes people can exploit it but to a far lesser degree then free form contracts etc, just because something can be exploited doesnt man it should be avoided at all costs, contracts are cool but are exploited like hell. do we get rid of contracts? No! We simply add a check and balance to it.
Jak Silverheart Minmatar	Posted - 2007.08.31 03:35:00 - [29] Your not getting me to do Jury Duty, its hard enough to get me to show up in real life. By the way Concord just released me on good behavior, so im out on parole, and im inelgeble to ingame Jury Duty Oh and if you want a court system in Eve go out and do what Judge Dread does. Become a cop/lawyer/jury/executioner all in one. Hmmm come to think of it they usually try to call themselves Anti-Pirates these days... Originally by: Scordite Who was it that said that flying minmatar is kinda like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair while firing an uzi?
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Sicarri Covenant	Posted - 2007.08.31 04:08:00 - [30] Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 31/08/2007 04:13:01 Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 31/08/2007 04:11:08 Originally by: Shi Lang seems to be a fundamental lack of understanding on how this works, if a lawyer screws you, you can hire another lawyer to sue him, you see? It balances itself out as long as some lawyers are not *******s (hard to imagine i know) the system will largely work and will largely solve the scamming problem by making people more accountable for their actions. Also yes people can exploit it but to a far lesser degree then free form contracts etc, just because something can be exploited doesnt man it should be avoided at all costs, contracts are cool but are exploited like hell. do we get rid of contracts? No! We simply add a check and balance to it. Great... the petition system will be 4-6x longer to get a GM to look at... not to mention the added time to sort out the legitimate gripes to the "OMG I just fired on a guy and he ganked me, I'm calling desync!" whines. No, this system will not work and good luck finding pirates to listen to those whines or carebears to stop carebearing to care about those whines By the way, which common law are we talking? American or British? What about international law? What about diplomatic immunity? Insanity pleas (I'll be a lawyer, that should automatically qualify my client)? If you don't get a dev response will you cancel your account? Will the lawyers be paid? Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking ~Liz Kali

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