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Max Tesla	Posted - 2007.09.01 10:20:00 - [1] CCP really needs to increase the number of Material research slots Today there is at least a 30 day waiting period ( I know somewhere on some place there might be less) Eve gets more and more players each day but the slots do not grow so what is the plan here just let the queue grow and grow When eve has 1 million players what then? Same number of slots? And when there are 10 million same number as well? I see no reason for not increasing it except of course it somehow might give lag but I doubt it Should it not be open for all, research already takes long and now we have to wait even longer? As I see it, it would even make people leave eve since because of the insane long queues less people would be able to explore that part of eve and that is one thing less keeping them in game Research takes long there is no reason for the insane long queues It is like housing more and more people need a house but few new houses are created only when an alliance decides to build something but that hardly covers the demand And why should only people part of that alliance get to research Alliance members can use normal research slots as well to their alliance slots but people who do not want to be part of an alliance get nothing Just increase the number of slots to 200 per each station. What would be the problem will the world end? Researching already takes long time there is no need for these long queues
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.09.01 10:24:00 - [2] Or... you just pay us to use our slots. Or Ricdic. But preferably us.
Falbala Gallente Les Enfants de Gaia	Posted - 2007.09.01 10:38:00 - [3] It has always been a problem. Clearly, people take slots to prevent others to research anything. I saw a BPC researched to level 576 the other day, when you think 20 for a ship and 100 for ammo is more than enough. There are many ways to fix this. Put a research limit. Above a certain number the research is over. Increase the price of material research. Level 1 1000 isk, Level 2 4000 isk, level 3 16000 and so on, Increase the price of lab rental when all are busy as it is done for offices. I think it was working this way 2 years ago I don't know why it changed. Specialize slots. Make some labs for ship research, some for modules, some for ammos and so on. This way someone cannot buy a civilan shield booster BPO and prevent others to research ships ME. Any of this would require that CCP wants to fix the problem of course. On a side note I don't think it has anything to see with research alliances, it always been like that, even before you could build research facilities.
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2007.09.01 10:38:00 - [4] Edited by: Roemy Schneider on 01/09/2007 10:38:23 Originally by: Amarria Black Or... you just pay us to use our slots. Or Ricdic. But preferably us. preferrebly ricdic as i own a few shares ^^ - putting the gist back into logistics
Max Tesla	Posted - 2007.09.02 07:19:00 - [5] No no no and no There are lines everywhere and you can not trust anyone with anything OOOOO please give us all your money and after you are done researching we will take that awful bpo off your hands Increase the number of research slots so that everyone can do research within a normal amount of time
Gusy	Posted - 2007.09.02 07:41:00 - [6] Originally by: Max Tesla It is like housing more and more people need a house but few new houses are created only when an alliance decides to build something but that hardly covers the demand Thats why there is plenty of social housing (empire research slots) for people with genuine need. There is also a waiting list for this. If you want a nice new house get some land and build one yourself (put up a pos). So yes, its exactly like housing,
Fester Addams Minmatar	Posted - 2007.09.02 07:50:00 - [7] In the very begining you could own slots. Basically you came to a station and spotted a free slot and claimed it. As long as you kept peying the rental fee it would be closed to others. This led to about1% of the available slots being free and about 3% being used, the remaining 96% were simply blocked so others could not use them. One major mistake was to alow a corp to rent any number of slots, the skill limit was only to individuals. To fix this CCP changed it so that an empty slot would be unrented and become available to the public. This was a great move, about 70% of the slots opened upp and only the slots in high population areas and their close region would be locked down. Those areas however remained locked down and people would do silly research in order to keep their slots (most 200+ me BP's are from this period). After a while CCP realized that slots in high dencity places were being sold for huge ammounts of isk and that thy were mostly not being used as intended so they had a good think and set upp the rules for escalating cost. in short this ment that for every day a station would have 0 slots open the prices would rise by 5%, if 1 slot was open it would remain the same and if more were open it drop by 5%. After a few months of people ignoring this prices finally reached hurtfull levels and a few slots would open upp. This system however was aparently not to their liking as slots could still be blocked for the most part. At this point POSes were in the game and could house slots, by allowing POSes in both low and highsec CCP made available a huge number of potential slots, at present the idea is that if you wish to have faster access to research, set upp a POS with some lab slots. At the same time they introduced the change to station slots removing the problematic possibility to block slots by putting in a line. Thus if you really want easy access to slots then set upp a small POS or contact one of the new and very admiarable corps that set upp and run POSes in order to rent out slots. The one thing I really think CCP should do is to allow POS owners to open thir POS slots to the open market with a price attached.
Max Tesla	Posted - 2007.09.02 07:51:00 - [8] The available amount does not cover the demand, there is no reason for these queues except of course to make people leave eve because they never got to try out the research bit. As the amount of players grow so will the queues what when it is not just 30 days but 60, 100 ,300 then what this whole problem could so easily go away by just creating more slots
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.09.02 08:17:00 - [9] Originally by: Amarria Black Or... you just pay us to use our slots. Or Ricdic. But preferably us. I suppose you mean using research slots in hi-sec POS labs. It is a good solution only if high sec research slots can be rented and the research done by the player renting them. As things stand today it will not work. The only system is to give the BPO to the research corporation and set a collateral so high that the researcher isn't tempted to keep the BPO. Almost acceptable with T1 BPO, totally inacceptable with T2 BPO.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.09.02 08:23:00 - [10] Originally by: Falbala It has always been a problem. Clearly, people take slots to prevent others to research anything. I saw a BPC researched to level 576 the other day, when you think 20 for a ship and 100 for ammo is more than enough. Today there is a reason for so high research levels. My impression is that invented BPC get a bonus in ME/PE of 1:100 (what I mean is the BPC has a material efficency of 100, the invented BPC has a material efficency of -3 instead of -4). So while for normal T1 building there is no return, for invention of T2 items that kind of ME and Pe is very important.
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2007.09.02 08:25:00 - [11] It does seem like ME is the only type of slot that is constantly in use. In-universe this would make some PE slots seem wasteful and get them repurposed by the owner to be usable for ME instead. That said I kinda like having to play cat and mouse in rat-infested systems to get my blueprints to a station without long queues (because nobody else is dumb enough to take a blueprint to that system) ----- I'll be in my pod
RaTTuS BIG	Posted - 2007.09.02 08:33:00 - [12] Originally by: Venkul Mul Today there is a reason for so high research levels. My impression is that invented BPC get a bonus in ME/PE of 1:100 (what I mean is the BPC has a material efficency of 100, the invented BPC has a material efficency of -3 instead of -4). So while for normal T1 building there is no return, for invention of T2 items that kind of ME and Pe is very important. Invention does not work like that - the ME level does not affect the outcome. only the data sheets you use. weather this will change is another matter -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve & RaTTuS Home
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.02 08:34:00 - [13] Originally by: Amarria Black Or... you just pay us to use our slots. Or Ricdic. But preferably us. I like that Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.02 08:41:00 - [14] Originally by: Max Tesla No no no and no There are lines everywhere and you can not trust anyone with anything OOOOO please give us all your money and after you are done researching we will take that awful bpo off your hands Increase the number of research slots so that everyone can do research within a normal amount of time Check out our link mate. We provide research slots in empire, and we never touch your bpo. You (or an alt corp you create) join the Zzz Alliance, set up your own corp hangar in an NPC station, and go nuts researching whatever you want. Seriously there is zero security risk as none of your assets are ever touched by anyone outside your corporation. There is no risk whatsoever. Now is a great time to join the Zzz Alliance as we are celebrating 1 year of service to the Eve Community with a week of free research to all customers. Pop me an evemail in game if you have any queries whatsoever, I look forward to proving to you that empire research slots do not need increasing whatsoever Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.02 08:46:00 - [15] Originally by: Max Tesla The available amount does not cover the demand, there is no reason for these queues except of course to make people leave eve because they never got to try out the research bit. As the amount of players grow so will the queues what when it is not just 30 days but 60, 100 ,300 then what this whole problem could so easily go away by just creating more slots I disagree with this statement. The POS's that people offer provide unlimited capacity to the market. Frankly, I would rather see all manufacturing/researching opened to the public, and all NPC ones shut down. In line with this, it would be essential to lower the fee's of empire POS's in some way, as POS research is more expensive than NPC, and it isn't a matter of price gouging, it truly is expensive to provide the service. As an example, the C-R-A corporation (the one that holds all the towers) has 7 large towers and pays on average 1.2-1.5 billion isk per month in fuel costs plus approximately 400m per month in alliance and office fees. That's not even counting the 23b or so capital required to provide the venture in the first place, which has to be paid back over time. But back on topic, once the general population see that many POS owners provide this service risk free, you will also find that the supply is unlimited, it's just a matter of seeing the bigger picture. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
IAeon HMS Indefatigable New Eden Research	Posted - 2007.09.02 08:47:00 - [16] Edited by: IAeon on 02/09/2007 08:47:09 It would not hurt, if we got a few more copy slots either.
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.02 08:49:00 - [17] Originally by: Venkul Mul As things stand today it will not work. The only system is to give the BPO to the research corporation and set a collateral so high that the researcher isn't tempted to keep the BPO. Not at all, as Alliance research can be done without me even knowing what bpo's you have, and your bpo's always sitting in your own corporate hangar in an NPC station. You never even need to see my POS to do your research. Quote: Almost acceptable with T1 BPO, totally inacceptable with T2 BPO. This part I agree with, as T2 bpo's require materials to research, which doesn't work via the Alliance tab so does focus on trust. Short of the cheaper bpo's, I personally recommend anyone get their own small pos set up for t2 research and manufacturing, rather than using a service such as mine. Having said that, I generally have a good 20-30b of customer's bpos in my corporate hangar doing research and jobs on it, and don't think I have paid collateral in a good 10 months or even been asked too Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.02 09:31:00 - [18] Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 02/09/2007 09:32:21 Originally by: Ricdic Originally by: Amarria Black Or... you just pay us to use our slots. Or Ricdic. But preferably us. I like that Seconded Copying & invention are also possible, but under the present system a degree of trust is required. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Falbala Gallente Les Enfants de Gaia	Posted - 2007.09.02 10:09:00 - [19] Using the help of a research alliance is certainly the best solution. The problem is some people want to control their regional market so they rent all offices, all laboratories and all factories, if that doesn't cost them too much. It's like that since day 1 of EVE.
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2007.09.02 11:08:00 - [20] didums. I wait er 0 minutes for my slots. Aren't 0.0 outposts groovy. "If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor." -Albert Einstein
SiJira	Posted - 2007.09.02 16:16:00 - [21] non public research is 0.75 anyways why wouldnt you use it? ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! _lies above_ CCP Morpheus was here Morpheus Fails. You need colors!! -Kaemonn [yellow]Kaem
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.09.02 16:32:00 - [22] I'd rather like the ability to make "private" slots public (remote only, so you'd need scientific networking L1). Also, the ability to set a price for the slots, and more important, ability to set custom max durations for research AND queue lengths on private "publicized" slots you own. _ Complaint vs whine \| Char creation guide \| Stacknerfs explained
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.02 16:34:00 - [23] for once I agree with akita... makes me feel so dirty Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve-Forums: Quote: Smacking my own alt in a nerf-thread while drunk, he was irritating a Hauler full of tech II n00bs, Oops.
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.02 16:41:00 - [24] Originally by: Akita T I'd rather like the ability to make "private" slots public (remote only, so you'd need scientific networking L1). Also, the ability to set a price for the slots, and more important, ability to set custom max durations for research AND queue lengths on private "publicized" slots you own. To the first part I agree. To the second part, I don't really see it being a necessity, as player provided lab slots are infinite, in that they can always be increased to fill demand. Anyone stupid enough to try and manipulate an infinite supply will go broke real quick. Anyway, if someone wants to throw a 10 year bpo into one of my slots, it will cost them 100's of millions of isk, so I can easily afford to place another one to fill the gap he took. So I can't see that being a problem on private publicised slots. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2007.09.02 16:52:00 - [25] Need more ME slots? Follow the link on my sig! Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Audri Fisher Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.09.02 18:11:00 - [26] Originally by: Max Tesla CCP really needs to increase the number of Material research slots Today there is at least a 30 day waiting period ( I know somewhere on some place there might be less) Eve gets more and more players each day but the slots do not grow so what is the plan here just let the queue grow and grow When eve has 1 million players what then? Same number of slots? And when there are 10 million same number as well? I see no reason for not increasing it except of course it somehow might give lag but I doubt it Should it not be open for all, research already takes long and now we have to wait even longer? As I see it, it would even make people leave eve since because of the insane long queues less people would be able to explore that part of eve and that is one thing less keeping them in game Research takes long there is no reason for the insane long queues It is like housing more and more people need a house but few new houses are created only when an alliance decides to build something but that hardly covers the demand And why should only people part of that alliance get to research Alliance members can use normal research slots as well to their alliance slots but people who do not want to be part of an alliance get nothing Just increase the number of slots to 200 per each station. What would be the problem will the world end? Researching already takes long time there is no need for these long queues I got tired of aiting for empire reaseach slots, so iput up po, now I don't have to wait at all
Audri Fisher Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.09.02 18:12:00 - [27] Originally by: Falbala It has always been a problem. Clearly, people take slots to prevent others to research anything. I saw a BPC researched to level 576 the other day, when you think 20 for a ship and 100 for ammo is more than enough. There are many ways to fix this. Put a research limit. Above a certain number the research is over. Increase the price of material research. Level 1 1000 isk, Level 2 4000 isk, level 3 16000 and so on, Increase the price of lab rental when all are busy as it is done for offices. I think it was working this way 2 years ago I don't know why it changed. Specialize slots. Make some labs for ship research, some for modules, some for ammos and so on. This way someone cannot buy a civilan shield booster BPO and prevent others to research ships ME. Any of this would require that CCP wants to fix the problem of course. On a side note I don't think it has anything to see with research alliances, it always been like that, even before you could build research facilities. 5 is enough for ammo tbfh
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2007.09.02 18:26:00 - [28] Many have spent billions of ISK setting up POSs to get around this restriction. Making more public ones available would be a nasty nerf to those players. In the mean time there is a very good market now for BPCs that are already well trained. Certainty of death...small chance of success...what are we waiting for? - Gimli
Sessho Seki	Posted - 2007.09.02 20:21:00 - [29] Edited by: Sessho Seki on 02/09/2007 20:22:35 As per usual, it's 1 step forward, and 2 steps back with the progression of EVE. In the beginning, there were not enough slots, and the people were unhappy. They jumped on CCP's case about it, at first CCP did nothing and let the problem spiral out of control and only mitigated the problem with increasing rents which in turn only led to higher reselling prices and continuing to magnify the problem. While it took seeming forever to get results, CCP finally did the right thing and just put more slots into the game, which actually solved the problem! But having a problem solved is unacceptable, so CCP went out of their way to botch up the system they had just gotten to a decent state by instituting the 'queue system', which is not only undoing all the success that had been achieved before, but then turns around and makes the problem just that much worse by constraining the one thing that helped to fix the problem, volume of available slots. It doesn't help the game to have the developers going out of their way to make it worse. As for POS facilities, if anything, CCP should instate considerable bonuses to effectiveness (perhaps upwards of 25-50%) of them, but the public alternatives shouldn't be castrated in favor of POS owners.
Max Tesla	Posted - 2007.09.03 07:20:00 - [30] Increase the number of Material Research slots

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