Raptor (yes, it's still in the database)
Moa (see above)
Egale (everything)
Ferox (lol)
Raven (30% less ehp than most armour bs's)
Rokh (lack of dps)
Pheonix (because citadel torps are awesome)


Instead, the highest priority is a drake nerf...

This will end well.

Why is the Drake so popular? Because it's the only damn useful PVP ship Caldari has out side ECM and smart bombing Rokhs. Fix the other Caldari ships if you want to see less Drakes.

#1 this isn't going to be a "little bit" nerf. Removing the resist bonus will gut its ability to tank anything other than Kinetic. That will destroy its Lvl4 ability right there.

#2 CCP went to the CSM FIRST instead of the community about this load of crap. They need the green light from a bunch of nullsec players before they can even talk to us about it? This should have been posted the moment it arrived as in idea at the office so we could have said it was a terrible idea then instead of now.

The CSM does not exist to be a good ole boy club to greenlight BS that CCP does. They completely and utterly failed to stop CCP's head dive into incarna and greenlighted this POS despite many in the community that oppose it.

Now we have to do this months later when this could have been put on the shelf months ago and focus put on the CSM talking about stuff that needs to be NDA for now. Drake nerfs are nothing to NDA unless of course you want to try to rush them in before the community can react.

Noone cares about your missions.

You know, i think you are about 2 months too late on this whole 'hate on CSM' deal. The current CSM have handled the previously self destructive urges of CCP quite well i think, and we are currently headed towards the most brightest future EVE has known for quite some time.

Also, tell me why you are so mad about them exchanging some of the Drakes tank for gank.

There is literally nothing to complain about here, so stop trying.

Let the Winmatar and Amar languish for a few years as you start working on fixing the "other two" races ships.

You know, i think you are about 2 months too late on this whole 'hate on CSM' deal. The current CSM have handled the previously self destructive urges of CCP quite well i think, and we are currently headed towards the most brightest future EVE has known for quite some time.

Also, tell me why you are so mad about them exchanging some of the Drakes tank for gank.

There is literally nothing to complain about here, so stop trying.

i hate to be so droll, but post with your nulsec main and then we'll see if you qualify as an authority on the matter

also, stop the bullcrap about missions and incursions. Only a fool would take a Drake into either.

Rather than nerfing ECM...why not buff sensor damps like they intend to? A celestis/arazu/lach damping a falcon/rook is already very effective against birds at range....

Train for a Tengu? Are you playing EVE online? How on earth are they supposed to afford A Tengu.

Ohhh I see now. Maybe they will earn enough in nullsec to get one between defending moon goo on multiple CTAs in the same day.

+1 Huge alliances.

What you said exactly was, nerfing a 30mil hull will make a half billion one more popular for PVP. Do I need to explain where you argument fails?

You do realize that then the same exact excuse that they will use to nerf the drake can and will be used to nerf the Tengu right?

I've already stated that Caldari should be rebalanced as a whole rather than a single ship.

Wow so not only should we nuke the Drake from orbit. Lets drag up all the nukes ever made and nuke an entire in game race.

BRILLIANT!

I am altering the Drake, pray i don't alter it any further

dose any one even relise that the drake was and is the problem it breakes the mold, its the deffence of the Caldari gun boats with the mids of our sheild boats. I can't wait for my drakes to get this well needed damage boost! ROF on a BC till now thats been a BS and up thing.
Hi-sec mission runners you can do the exact damage you need at ranges to far for the NPC's to fight back from and 25%ROF is more that 25%dammage to one type.
Low sec PvPers HAM's any one? I like the idea of going toe to toe with canes
null sec get back in your tempest, why were you even in drakes before? Oh ya every one can fly them.

Please keep in mind these notes date back from December, and as such some points may have evolved as we are gathering more data with time etc etc.

The newer players as their first real ship.

Incorrectly funnel new players: don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP. What's the point of a Bellicose? Exequror? Maller? Moa? They shouldn't be things you just skip on the way to a greater purpose, like a leaf of salad in my 250gr double-layered onion and egg hamburger.