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Theo Samaritan
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.09.04 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Dez Erichs
Originally by: Theo Samaritan
Originally by: Dez Erichs *some stuff about highsec rorquals*
they were told to jump all highsec capitals into lowsec upon production. This includes rorquals.
The onyl reason chribba has veldnaught is because it was there before the patch.
True. May I direct you to this thread:
[Auction] Rorqual in 0.6
High-sec Rorquals are an exploit, and this is a response to close the hole. Ask yourself, if you were a GM, would you deal with every person who tried to build a high-sec Rorqual on a one-on-one basis, or would you get rid of the exploit? They cannot 'trust' people to move them to lowsec anymore, without creating a lot of work for themselves.
WWGMD?
I'd do it one by one, because thats a break of the deal made between the owners of highsec LSAA's and the GM's.
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Kaaii
Caldari Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.09.04 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Blands Real good stuff.
and thank you for caring enough to post.
Nerfs come and go, this was one. Yes, I'm a little perturbed but not for the reasons you post. Its safe to say that while I, and my corp mates(and the other corps that had them) have suffered an inconvenience, its not the end of the world for us.
You're free to disagree, post all you like. The open letter did mean open. I expected many would perceive this as some whiny carebear lost a toy. And i posted anyway, because I know that there are more than a few like minded souls who see the bigger picture. I can take a few whaaa posters, in my thread, so that others may stop and think about "what is allowed to stay" really means, and plan accordingly..
"Id rather fall beside 10 Lions, than stand with 1000 sheep.."
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2007.09.04 14:52:00 -
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Just reading all this jazz about stuff being pulled out now,, when at the end of the day they were all *regardless* of how many, even if everyone, obeyed the rules, located outside of what current game mechanics were about.
Is this breaking the trust of a few players who were "privelidged" enough to secure the LSAAs, or is it an active attempt by CCP to distance themselves from days-gone-by accusations of favoritism, corruption etc? I'd *almost* be inclined to say it's the latter, and also say it's a good move.
Improve Market Competition!
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Wloire
Macabre Votum INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.09.04 14:56:00 -
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Edited by: Wloire on 04/09/2007 14:59:23 Edited by: Wloire on 04/09/2007 14:57:23
Originally by: Gaven Blands Can't the Kaaii understand? If you want to talk to Kieron, talk to Kieron. It's probably [email protected] or something.
If you post an open letter, you have to ask why you did it. The answer is because you want us all to read it.
So understand that people may disagree, and write an open letter right back at you.
I know you won't, but get over it.
Few care that your little power trippy niche club has been nerfed. Few care that you're crying about it. Few care that you think you're better than us. Condascend all you like. This time the nerfbat hit you, and like so many others before, you cried. You're not new, not big, and not clever. You are a sheep like those that came before, and those that will come after.
You are in good company. Many a forum hero has turned all whiney when his favourite toy gets nerfed.
Honestly do you think any of the GM's accept personal emails from none-Bobbits? Jokes aside, when has the OP once actually whined about losing their LSAA? Their point of this thread is to question the way in which they were removed.
Iv never personaly taken part in capital production but I can certainly understand the logistics and the ISK that go into the things. Now imagine all that planning goes "poof". The OP's comparison to your favourite gank ship being nerfed was on the dot. You would be the first person up in arms if you lost 5 cpu but if its someone else who cares?
Originally by: I like caplocks! Finally some action by CCP that corrects what is clearly the kind of game-breaking imbalance that drives away new players. I don't care what the advantage is that you "royalist" beta players believe you are entitled to by virtue of your inception date... IT SHOULD BE REMOVED IF IT IS NOT AVAILABLE TO BE ACCOMPLISHED BY A NEW PLAYER WITHIN THE NORMAL MECHANICS OF THE GAME! This should include removing the T2 BPOs as well. There should be no "special" abilities or resources available to any "exclusive" group of players. Any other policy would be the same as playing poker where the dealer has a stack of aces up his sleeve.
BRAVO CCP.
Should all the beta players who have put more time into this game then yourself also lose all their skillpoints points aswell? No new player will ever reach an equal skillpoint count as a beta character who continues to play the game?
Gamebreaking? Im sure before you saw this thread as a way of showing off your highschool education and "Mad Caps Lock skillz" you didnt give two seconds of thought to highsec LSAA's.
*edit: I wish I could spell
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Ira Theos
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Posted - 2007.09.04 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kaaii Edited by: Kaaii on 04/09/2007 12:26:49
Originally by: Level4 So how many rorqual's were beeing build ? :)
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Kaaii, you need to change your sig tag line from that reference to lions and sheep to "I'd rather play poker with aces up my sleeve because I really don't know how to play poker and can't win otherwise."
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Sazkyen
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Posted - 2007.09.04 15:11:00 -
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Edited by: Sazkyen on 04/09/2007 15:12:02
If there can be people in-game who are allowed to own TII BPOs while others have no chance to get them then why the *HECK* not leave these guys have their assembly arrays in peace in empire space?
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Ghost Goat
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Posted - 2007.09.04 15:20:00 -
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it should have been done long time ago , i wonder why it took so long . off course they should have give notice few days or weeks ahead , but i believe CCP probably realized how many Rorquals going to hit high sec in the next month/months ,and decided to act now, in order to avoid seriously unbalanced issues later on . i fully support these actions , next step , remove t2 original bpo's , and remove ALL cap ships from high sec .
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Ira Theos
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Posted - 2007.09.04 15:22:00 -
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Edited by: Ira Theos on 04/09/2007 15:28:45 Edited by: Ira Theos on 04/09/2007 15:28:17 Edited by: Ira Theos on 04/09/2007 15:27:25 Edited by: Ira Theos on 04/09/2007 15:25:21 Responding to Wloire
stuff,, then....
Originally by: I like caplocks! Finally some action by CCP that corrects what is clearly the kind of game-breaking imbalance that drives away new players. I don't care what the advantage is that you "royalist" beta players believe you are entitled to by virtue of your inception date... IT SHOULD BE REMOVED IF IT IS NOT AVAILABLE TO BE ACCOMPLISHED BY A NEW PLAYER WITHIN THE NORMAL MECHANICS OF THE GAME! This should include removing the T2 BPOs as well. There should be no "special" abilities or resources available to any "exclusive" group of players. Any other policy would be the same as playing poker where the dealer has a stack of aces up his sleeve.
BRAVO CCP.
Should all the beta players who have put more time into this game then yourself also lose all their skillpoints points aswell? No new player will ever reach an equal skillpoint count as a beta character who continues to play the game?
Gamebreaking? Im sure before you saw this thread as a way of showing off your highschool education and "Mad Caps Lock skillz" you didnt give two seconds of thought to highsec LSAA's.
*edit: I wish I could spell
OK... Since you didn't use your third-grade reading skills to read what I said.... I SAID THINGS NOT AVAILABLE TO BE ACCOMPLISHED BY A NEW PLAYER WITHIN THE NORMAL MECHANICS OF THE GAME should be removed. Skills are accomplishable within the normal mechanics...... but then, that subtle concept of balance is beyond your intelligence to comprehend apparently.
P.S. CAPS ARE NECESSARY FOR IDIOTS LIKE YOU WHO CAN"T READ.
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2007.09.04 15:31:00 -
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Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 04/09/2007 15:31:04
Originally by: Ira Theos
P.S. CAPS ARE NECESSARY FOR IDIOTS LIKE YHO CAN"T READ..
And obviously for those who can't spell or use proper grammar either
You'd probably have a point worth paying attention to if you didn't sound like a whiny nutcase.
Improve Market Competition!
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Ares Lightfeather
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.09.04 15:32:00 -
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Edited by: Ares Lightfeather on 04/09/2007 15:32:30
Originally by: Ira Theos
OK... Since you didn't use your third-grade reading skills to read what I said.... I SAID THINGS NOT AVAILABLE TO BE ACCOMPLISHED BY A NEW PLAYER WITHIN THE NORMAL MECHANICS OF THE GAME should be removed. Skills are accomplishable within the normal mechanics...... but then, that subtle concept of balance is beyond your intelligence to comprehend apparently.
P.S. CAPS ARE NECESSARY FOR IDIOTS LIKE YOU WHO CAN"T READ.
Ok, then.
READ THE OP, THEY SAID THAT THE CONCERN WAS THAT THEY REMOVED THAT WITHOUT WARNING.
KKTHXBAI
And for people that can read : well, you've read the OP. I do not need to repeat it.
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Kaaii
Caldari Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.09.04 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ira Theos Edited by: Ira Theos on 04/09/2007 15:25:21 Responding to Wloire
stuff,, then....
Originally by: I like caplocks! Finally some action by CCP that corrects what is clearly the kind of game-breaking imbalance that drives away new players. I don't care what the advantage is that you "royalist" beta players believe you are entitled to by virtue of your inception date... IT SHOULD BE REMOVED IF IT IS NOT AVAILABLE TO BE ACCOMPLISHED BY A NEW PLAYER WITHIN THE NORMAL MECHANICS OF THE GAME! This should include removing the T2 BPOs as well. There should be no "special" abilities or resources available to any "exclusive" group of players. Any other policy would be the same as playing poker where the dealer has a stack of aces up his sleeve.
BRAVO CCP.
Should all the beta players who have put more time into this game then yourself also lose all their skillpoints points aswell? No new player will ever reach an equal skillpoint count as a beta character who continues to play the game?
Gamebreaking? Im sure before you saw this thread as a way of showing off your highschool education and "Mad Caps Lock skillz" you didnt give two seconds of thought to highsec LSAA's.
*edit: I wish I could spell
OK... Since you didn't use your third-grade reading skills to read what I said.... I SAID THINGS NOT AVAILABLE TO BE ACCOMPLISHED BY A NEW PLAYER WITHIN THE NORMAL MECHANICS OF THE GAME should be removed. Skills are accomplishable within the normal mechanics...... but then, that subtle concept of balance is beyond your intelligence to comprehend apparently.
While i can appreciate you sentiment, one could argue that new players can't build titans, therefore should titans be removed? Or just balanced that any new player can achieve their dream ship. While stating that the "normal mechanics of the game" are the issue you have with these structures let me point your attention to the links and text above, indicating kierons post on the subject. They were allowed to stay. This to me, indicates normal mechanics. i'm just asking that if they say that they are going to do it (something) that they do. Its not a far reach to think about the ramifications of their actions, how they effect player stratagems and planning, should they announce XXX is now not ok in YYYY. The real issue is, why not give advance notice, allow players the courtesy of a simple notification, so they make take actions that mitigate their imposing change.
Oh and post with your main...
"Id rather fall beside 10 Lions, than stand with 1000 sheep.."
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.04 15:37:00 -
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you fail at reading Kaaii
he said Quote: within normal game mechanics
a new player can build a titan within normal game mechanics, just not right away, just like a new player can build t2 items within normal game mchanics, even without a bpo Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve-Forums:
Quote: Smacking my own alt in a nerf-thread while drunk, he was irritating a Hauler full of tech II n00bs, Oops.
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Wloire
Macabre Votum INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.09.04 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ira Theos Edited by: Ira Theos on 04/09/2007 15:25:21 Responding to Wloire
stuff,, then....
Originally by: I like caplocks! Finally some action by CCP that corrects what is clearly the kind of game-breaking imbalance that drives away new players. I don't care what the advantage is that you "royalist" beta players believe you are entitled to by virtue of your inception date... IT SHOULD BE REMOVED IF IT IS NOT AVAILABLE TO BE ACCOMPLISHED BY A NEW PLAYER WITHIN THE NORMAL MECHANICS OF THE GAME! This should include removing the T2 BPOs as well. There should be no "special" abilities or resources available to any "exclusive" group of players. Any other policy would be the same as playing poker where the dealer has a stack of aces up his sleeve.
BRAVO CCP.
Should all the beta players who have put more time into this game then yourself also lose all their skillpoints points aswell? No new player will ever reach an equal skillpoint count as a beta character who continues to play the game?
Gamebreaking? Im sure before you saw this thread as a way of showing off your highschool education and "Mad Caps Lock skillz" you didnt give two seconds of thought to highsec LSAA's.
*edit: I wish I could spell
OK... Since you didn't use your third-grade reading skills to read what I said.... I SAID THINGS NOT AVAILABLE TO BE ACCOMPLISHED BY A NEW PLAYER WITHIN THE NORMAL MECHANICS OF THE GAME should be removed. Skills are accomplishable within the normal mechanics...... but then, that subtle concept of balance is beyond your intelligence to comprehend apparently.
Oh geez theres the caplocks again. You'll notice I mentioned they'll never reach a beta players skillcount? They play for 3 years their not going to have the count of someone who has kept on playing for 6 years.
They will never reach SOMEONE else who has played since beta. Hence the beta player will always have superior skills (most likely)leading to this beta player also winning 10 out of 10 battles with said new player. Hence gamebreaking because said new player will never win. Hence it is impossible hence every person has has been playing since before september 4th 2007 should have there skillpoints lowered to 1 million or whatever new players start with these days.
Once again I thank for another lesson in the apropriate use of caplocks to get your point across. Try to read future posts in full before responding. Oh and good job forming a new post with your original reply to this one, we all need two places to read about your inferiority problem and how it will be fixed by everyone being equal and getting there fair share. Kind of like introducing a level cap! Then we can all be even.
p.s.: Hence.
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Kaaii
Caldari Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.09.04 15:39:00 -
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yes i did fail, thanks...i stand corrected..ignore the titan part
"Id rather fall beside 10 Lions, than stand with 1000 sheep.."
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Ira Theos
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Posted - 2007.09.04 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Kylar Renpurs Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 04/09/2007 15:31:04
Originally by: Ira Theos
P.S. CAPS ARE NECESSARY FOR IDIOTS LIKE YHO CAN"T READ..
And obviously for those who can't spell or use proper grammar either
You'd probably have a point worth paying attention to if you didn't sound like a whiny nutcase.
******************** You are right.... I am very testy these days about this kind of crap. And getting hot under the collar does detrimentally affect my ability to touch type, especially on an old wireless keyboard...
But after nearly two years of playing Eve, I am sick and tired of continually finding my view of this potentially excellent and great game being destroyed by the constant discovery that the game is rigged. It is high time to un-rig it.
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Dez Erichs
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.09.04 15:48:00 -
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To Kaaii:
Please address my arguments, we are having a discussion, aren't we? --- PvP Training: www.agony-unleashed.com "I <3 XxAngelxX" ;) |
Aira Phlux
Furian Technologies
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Posted - 2007.09.04 15:50:00 -
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I read the first page but 2 and 3 were beyond my attention span. For what its worth, I think yes they should have been removed but not without warning. The least CCP can do to apologise is give the affected players the end product of the jobs that were in progress.
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Bentula
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Posted - 2007.09.04 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ira Theos
But after nearly two years of playing Eve, I am sick and tired of continually finding my view of this potentially excellent and great game being destroyed by the constant discovery that the game is rigged. It is high time to un-rig it.
Oh please, rigged is going a bit far. I mean building caps in highsec sounds like a great plan, but at the end of the day its not of much use if you have to jump it out after compeltion. CCPs decision to let those highsec LSAAs fade out slowly(they do dwindle in numbers since no new can be put up) is fully in line with how this is usually handled.
And since you afaik cant put guns at a highsec pos, and that concord bug got fixed, those highsec pos/LSAAs hardly where immune, if chribba and other people having these big toys in highsec bothers you so much how about you wardec them?
P.S. You wardec chribba and you might find yourself in trouble.
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Reverend Revelator
Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.09.04 16:00:00 -
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If this isn't a Nelson Muntz moment then I don't what is...
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Ricdic
Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.09.04 16:11:00 -
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I think it was a fair move tbh. Those select few were able to build capitals without worry of attack that low-sec would bring (both POS and logistics). I am with Ray in that I believe it should have been done by default the second it was made unavailable to have them in empire.
Those select few have been able to profit without risk whilst the rest of us have had to dart around lowsec to build our ships, running the risk of losing billions of isk worth of logistics at the drop of a hat.
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Ruffio Sepico
Minmatar Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.09.04 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Aira Phlux I read the first page but 2 and 3 were beyond my attention span. For what its worth, I think yes they should have been removed but not without warning. The least CCP can do to apologise is give the affected players the end product of the jobs that were in progress.
No I'm not an alt, no I didn't have one on order, no I don't know these people.
They wont lose what is being built, they will recieve it on completion just in low sec system of their choice. They just lose the ability to keep build in high sec.
It swing both ways with CCP. I recall quite some time back after a patch where they ejected a lot of capital jobs where the builder got all parts for the job back + the completed product as well.
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Kaaii
Caldari Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.09.04 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Dez Erichs Edited by: Dez Erichs on 04/09/2007 14:23:22
Kieron's post, circa November 27, 2006:
Originally by: kieron
Originally by: Kaaii
Im really interested in what you all plan to do with large ship asm arrays that are already anchored in 05+ systems. Can you give any details?
According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. The restriction is on the anchoring of new LSAA's.
I apologize for the lack of final determination on the status of bookmarks, the Database Admins are still determining what direction is best needed to take.
Patch notes have been updated with some clarifications, specifically regarding the ore processing skills and jump clones. The updates are in green.
kieron Director of Community Relations, EVE Online
This looks like something that kieron dashed off to address your question. I don't see any promises or guarantees that they would be able to stay 9 months in the future. The production of high-sec Rorquals brought this problem to a head; noone should be able to use Rorquals in high-sec with impunity. This is consistent with Eve's risk vs reward scheme.
In the event of the (highy unlikely) chance that there was noone who produced high-sec Rorquals, the GMs would not have had to move them all to lowsec. However, someone found a flaw in game mechanics and exploited it. The GM's response to remove Rorquals from high-sec and offline LSAAs is a fair and balanced response to their problem. They found a hole and fixed it. It's certainly too bad that your LSAA had to be offlined, but the GM's cannot pick favorites.
My analysis of the situation is that you (and other LSAA owners), are seeking to curry favour with kieron in order to get your LSAAs back. Kieron didn't promise you anything, and the GMs cannot pick favourites. Honestly, you are better off blaming those who were building high-sec Rorquals, and spoiling it for you.
In conclusion: "I'm sorry to hear about your production problems, son / I got 99 problems and an LSAA isn't one"
Certainly, here you go...
While i can't be certain as to Kierons intentions on the day he posted, I agree in principle there were no promises made. I read all his posts though with an implied authority that I perceive he has(?). If he doesn't have the authority to make these calls, or needs to check with someone first before making them, i think that should be indicated somewhere in his posts. So, assuming that he indeed has weigth to post on subjects like this, I and others in the community have to assume hes talking about something he knows to be true.
Doesn't everyone that reads his stuff?
As far as the rorquals, being in empire, while I have no information on any exploits pending, I don't deny that there ae many out there who spend hours dreaming up ways to gt around "the system". When i built my carrier "there", i tested to see wheather or not fighters could be launched, attached, and assigned targets. They could not. As it was my intention to jump it out anyway (was in Fatal alliance at the time), in fountain, one carrier in high sec didn't really suit anyones benefit. I asked a gm if it was allowed to stay, to say, boost my shields on pos or flight, I got a resounding NO, and if caught doing it, would be grounds for a ban. This was enough for me to say my 4 years in eve wasn't worth risking being banned for an upper hand in one fight...
And im not really blmming anyone for the demise of empire LSAA's they were out there, for almost 11 months. No one got banned for having them, and to my knowledge, no one broke the "jump them out" rule but i may be mistaken here.
I have no illusions about the fate of the production, its gone, it won't be coming back. Nothing said here will make any difference on their existence. But maybe, just maybe, ccp will see this, and say, "man, we jus screwed up on another issue" and hopefully some good will come from it...
"Id rather fall beside 10 Lions, than stand with 1000 sheep.."
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Setana Manoro
Gallente Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2007.09.04 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Frances Ducoir
Originally by: Kaaii
Shall we award skill points too? I mean everyone starting after 11/27/06 is clearly at a disadvantage...
of course, but they can keep up when they specialize and gather numbers. but they werent able to anchor the LSAA...
be glad you still have the t2 BPOs you might own (if you have any). thats another thing which newer players will never be able to reach. honestly, who would sell them ever, except a few rare ppl who quit the game. (and who could afford to buy these rare ones?)
A bpo for a low-end t2 mod, is around 2-3b ISK. Which you can make in under 4 weeks in 0.0 with a 1 month old caldari alt, who many have.
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Sethir Corranis
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Posted - 2007.09.04 16:22:00 -
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While i understand your dilema (e.g. we spent a ton of isk to have this) i have to disagree with the premis that you have been cheated in some way or that ccp has "gone back on their word". basically you were told one thing by one government official (CCP whom ever) and aonther higher ranked government official (Uber Gm whom ever) came along and shut you down. this is business and life isn't fair and all that stuff that you already know. atleast you weren't declared property of the state. based on the agreement you had with ccp petition to recover some of your losses and see what happens, just do it quietly posting like this in public only weakens your overall position.
just my .02 isk worth.
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.09.04 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kaaii A somewhat valid point.
It was not however 100% risk free. For those that think outside the box, a war dec would have crippled the abilty to load said lsaa. Consider for a moment the number of componets that we had to load. Up until just recently it could only be done by agonisely slow multiple run with indys,, even with rigs carrying a max of 4 componets at a time. Divide 200+ by that. A war dec would not have put the structure at risk but certainly a steady stream of indys, undocking and docking for hours would put these assets at risk, no? Then freighters were given the ability to dock with pos structures, about 3 months ago, or less. So in effect upping the risk of a war dec, and loosing a freigther with 90+ componets in it. Hardly risk free........
hahahaha
1. Password POS FF 2. Have indy alt in NPC corp bring components to POS. 3. Have corp member in shuttle go to POS. 4. Indy alt jettisons stuff 5. Corp member safe in POS transfers stuff.
Don't make me laugh.
You were building cap ships in high sec 100% risk free. You had a competitive advantage over other players because they need to have a low sec POS which can get attacked easily.
Even now that POS's can be attacked, it's a PITA to do it with battleships.
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Kaaii
Caldari Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.09.04 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Sethir Corranis While i understand your dilema (e.g. we spent a ton of isk to have this) i have to disagree with the premis that you have been cheated in some way or that ccp has "gone back on their word". basically you were told one thing by one government official (CCP whom ever) and aonther higher ranked government official (Uber Gm whom ever) came along and shut you down. this is business and life isn't fair and all that stuff that you already know. atleast you weren't declared property of the state. based on the agreement you had with ccp petition to recover some of your losses and see what happens, just do it quietly posting like this in public only weakens your overall position.
just my .02 isk worth.
I think you misread several points i made. Kieron posted it was ok. A gm later in Jan came to me and first said, it wasn't, but after reading the post i linked said (agreed with kieron) ok np it can stay.
im just asking for Kieron to come forth, put his best game face on, and explain why this happened (this way) and explain why it won't be happening (this way) again....
"Id rather fall beside 10 Lions, than stand with 1000 sheep.."
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.09.04 16:33:00 -
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Edited by: Venkul Mul on 04/09/2007 16:39:18 To me this phrase:
Quote: According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. The restriction is on the anchoring of new LSAA's.
in the context of the relevant thread mean "The LSAA will stay there for now (current patch). No guarantte for the future."
A warning in advance of the change would have been opportune and courteous, but probably someone at CCP noticed the building of Rorquals in high sec and decided that there should be no chance that one of those would be completed in high sec, as the thinhatter brigade would have published screenshot of any such istance screaming "favorithism, cheatin, BoD" and so on.
Seeing the existence of a auction for a hi-sec Rorqual with delivery for the 6 september (after completation of other 2), a fast reaction was needed.
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Amaron Ghant
Caldari b00's Crew
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Posted - 2007.09.04 16:35:00 -
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Interesting thread.
The OP had a good run for his money so no sympathy from me, however to be fair a quick evemail before the bailiffs were sent in might have been nice. Nice though not obligatory.
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Ricdic
Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.09.04 16:36:00 -
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In regards to the mail from Kieron, anyone could find some old dev blogs that mention something won't happen when it did. Just need to suck it up I think.
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Kaaii
Caldari Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.09.04 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic In regards to the mail from Kieron, anyone could find some old dev blogs that mention something won't happen when it did. Just need to suck it up I think.
One might point to the tractor beam BPO cost change, if one was so inclined. Its going to cost XXX. Ginger magician buys a crap load, next day, we changed our minds.
This doesn't mitigate the fact that it was handled any better then it was then. The only difference, is they told you...
"Id rather fall beside 10 Lions, than stand with 1000 sheep.."
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