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Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.09.04 16:55:00 - [91] Originally by: Kaaii Originally by: Cpt Branko This sort of thing shouldn't happen without notice. Especially considering CCP staff said they were there to stay. Which they didn't have to, but when they did, the polite thing (if you want to change it, which they have every right to do) is to notify people you are going to, so they can at least prepare. One forum post / patch note / whatever saying 'We're changing it, sorry.' would have sufficed and would've been the polite thing to do considering it was said they'll keep them in high-sec. The point is that with the building of several Rorqual in high sec it was needed to act fast. The hi sec howner of large assembly arrays brought theyr doom on themselves. Thank you for reading the words to what i was saying...at least theres someone out there more intent on the greater message, than there post count...
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.09.04 17:33:00 - [92] Originally by: Ray McCormack Why do you think you should continue to benefit from something that other corporations and individuals have no chance of doing? You mean like having T2 Ship BPO's? You're right - get rid of them.
Kaaii Caldari Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.09.04 17:43:00 - [93] Edited by: Kaaii on 04/09/2007 17:45:25 Originally by: voogru Originally by: Kaaii A somewhat valid point. It was not however 100% risk free. For those that think outside the box, a war dec would have crippled the abilty to load said lsaa. Consider for a moment the number of componets that we had to load. Up until just recently it could only be done by agonisely slow multiple run with indys,, even with rigs carrying a max of 4 componets at a time. Divide 200+ by that. A war dec would not have put the structure at risk but certainly a steady stream of indys, undocking and docking for hours would put these assets at risk, no? Then freighters were given the ability to dock with pos structures, about 3 months ago, or less. So in effect upping the risk of a war dec, and loosing a freigther with 90+ componets in it. Hardly risk free........ hahahaha 1. Password POS FF 2. Have indy alt in NPC corp bring components to POS. 3. Have corp member in shuttle go to POS. 4. Indy alt jettisons stuff 5. Corp member safe in POS transfers stuff. Don't make me laugh. You were building cap ships in high sec 100% risk free. You had a competitive advantage over other players because they need to have a low sec POS which can get attacked easily. Even now that POS's can be attacked, it's a PITA to do it with battleships. While massive damage may have a army of alts to get around game mechanics, (ever use your alts to roam free, selling your "gains" in empire cause you can't go yourself?) I did not have the luxury. I suppose I could have hired some though, now that I think about it, its just that I didn't. Just a small corp of a few alts with mains out in the 0.0s. Hardly some mega operation pumping out caps every day. In fact, in our best month we did maybe 10 or so. some months we didn't even sell two. I think most of we did make went to our mains or friends of mains. the site could have been attacked. It never was. Saying it was 100% safe because it was never attacked, doesn't cut it. And yes, it would have been a royal pita to take it out with battleships. However, not impossible, so i stand by my claim. In EVE, nothing is impossible, just sometimes, unlikely given time frame and assets. A competitive edge is gained everyday in one form or the other in EVE. You gain it every time your alts under cuts a jita sell by .01. Every time you blow up an opposing corps indy. Combine the two and you have real eve play. "Id rather fall beside 10 Lions, than stand with 1000 sheep.."
Cornucopian Gallente Dutch Omega United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.04 18:03:00 - [94] this thread delivers!! epic!!! kaaii, you are getting your rorqual, as well as your LSAA. the fact that you did not get a message is sad, but i dont believe it justifies the position you are taking. you had an obvious advantage on the rest of the world which was a breach in normal game rules. CCP is not in any way obliged to meekly inform you that they have plans on discontinuing the assembly array. end of story. you had a nice run, which is now over. move along, nothing to see here... ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by: Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
Illyria Ambri RennTech	Posted - 2007.09.04 18:04:00 - [95] Oh Noes.. CCP went back on their word.. What surprises me is that this seems to surprise you. Large arrays are not allowed in High sec.. you managed to squeek by for ages with them. However now with the new Industural capital.. CCP realizes that it would be more difficult to police you as a Roquel sitting in a belt is less noteworthy but more umbalencing to high sec then an attack capital which would be used against ppl gain instant petitions agianst and get spanked back to lowsec faster then you can say ^$$^%#$. They decided that just unanchoring them and listening to tthe resultant whines would be more economic then mentioning it first and listening to the whines. Ya see this way they can just ignore your crying since its already done... you don't honestly think they are gonna suddenly decide.. Oh hey.. lets play favorites with the few ppl that managed to slip through the *****s. ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Here come the Drums!! - The Master
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.09.04 18:06:00 - [96] Originally by: kieron According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations, Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the LSAA still there just not anchored and usable? So technically CCP didn't change it's stance.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.09.04 18:09:00 - [97] Ok. Now that I've read the entire thread, and many people have made valid enough points on the favoritism the OP and many others have enjoyed, I'll try to address the remaning argument the OP may have: They were told the LSAA's would stay. 1> Yes, a statement was made that they would stay. They did for a year. 2> Things change in Eve. The thing that changed recently was the intoduction of the Roqual, which necessitated the changes to the LSAA's in secure space. 3> I agree that a warning would have been nice, but completely unnecessary. Since the ship will be relocated to a low-sec system, what difference would it have made to let you know? 3> I don't think this is a question of 'CCP going back on its word.' It appears to be a question of balance, of removing special privlidges, and does not actually take away anything from you. 4> T2 BPO's should all be removed (cuz I don't have one.) Mines should be allowed (cuz I do have those BPO's.) Snowball Launchers should be returned (cuz I was saving mine to pelt Sir Molle with after the Goons perma-scramble his pod in NOL.)
Kaaii Caldari Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.09.04 18:12:00 - [98] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: kieron According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations, Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the LSAA still there just not anchored and usable? So technically CCP didn't change it's stance.. you tell me.... According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations,
Illyria Ambri RennTech	Posted - 2007.09.04 18:13:00 - [99] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: kieron According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations, Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the LSAA still there just not anchored and usable? So technically CCP didn't change it's stance.. And lets not forget.. Oveur isn't the final word. Did it occur to anyone that perhaps he was overruled and forced to unachor? Or do you all assume that because 1 person said something.. that his word is law? if so.. man have I got some things to tell you. Please all you ppl complaining about your large arrays.. please post scanned copies of your notarized hardcopy promises that your arrays would remain as is.. forever. If you cannot produce said signed promises/guarentees... then grab a tissue and get over it. ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Here come the Drums!! - The Master
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.09.04 18:16:00 - [100] Originally by: Kaaii Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: kieron According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations, Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the LSAA still there just not anchored and usable? So technically CCP didn't change it's stance.. you tell me.... I dunno.. I don't do pos stuff I just blow players stuff up run the odd mission for some quick cash and trade when I get some fat loot.. So does it float away and dissapear from the game if its unanchored? Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Illyria Ambri RennTech	Posted - 2007.09.04 18:18:00 - [101] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus So does it float away and dissapear from the game if its unanchored? Its possible.. my CEO had to spend 45 minutes chasing down a freshly unanchored ship matience array that was running away at like 800m/s ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Here come the Drums!! - The Master
Bellum Eternus Gallente Blood Corsair's The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.09.04 18:18:00 - [102] CCP should have just removed all LSAAs from empire across the board last year and been done with it. You had your grace period. Plenty of opportunity to move them. They gave you six months of freebie ship building and you're still complaining? Build cap ships in low sec like everyone else. [Video]Blood Corsairs - Day One
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.09.04 18:27:00 - [103] Originally by: Illyria Ambri Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus So does it float away and dissapear from the game if its unanchored? Its possible.. my CEO had to spend 45 minutes chasing down a freshly unanchored ship matience array that was running away at like 800m/s lol? K.. So its like a secure can then.. So CCP is still holding to thier statement if taken literally as I see nothing specific promising said arrays would always be usable.. And it looks like they did (take it to the word literally..) so sorry fellas you can always relocate your offline LSAA to low sec now.. I'm sure they will receive a warm welcome.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Clorthos Gallente Tau Ceti Global Production Angels Of Discord	Posted - 2007.09.04 18:28:00 - [104] as a former emprie lsaa owner, ours was removed jsut the same as everyone else's. We did ships for corpies, and alliance mates. We also built our frieghters there mainly, more freighters built there than anythign else including battleships. The removal sucks, the chang in logistics sucks more, NO warning and having jobs about to start that take 3 frighter trips to move somplace to build a ship to get jumped out is rediculous. time to go play hello kitty online
brakespear Minmatar Wayward Brewing Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.09.04 18:31:00 - [105] Originally by: Bellum Eternus CCP should have just removed all LSAAs from empire across the board last year and been done with it. You had your grace period. Plenty of opportunity to move them. They gave you six months of freebie ship building and you're still complaining? True, but I'm guessing part of the bad feeling this has generated is down to the lack of a warning - it's not like it was a hidden loophole that needed fixing in secrecy or anything. -------------------------------------------------- brakespear - the lowest common denominator
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.09.04 18:35:00 - [106] Originally by: Sazkyen Edited by: Sazkyen on 04/09/2007 15:12:02 If there can be people in-game who are allowed to own TII BPOs while others have no chance to get them then why the HECK not leave these guys have their assembly arrays in peace in empire space? Maybe because at least half of that people has got his t2 BPO in with the same system you can use to get it, buyng it? Maybe because these guy where building Rorqual like mad with the express intentiuon of using them in high sec and unanchoring only the assembly array of the corporations doing that would have been favoritism? They have choose to gambe that the production of a capital that could work unnoticed in high sec would have been allowed like the building of capital combat ship that if used in high sec can be easily spotted and dealt with. They have lost the gamble.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.09.04 18:35:00 - [107] Originally by: Clorthos time to go play hello kitty online You know for a game thats known for its no holds barred dog eat dog greifing by everyone and his alt to everyone and his alt it kinda makes you wonder why people run to hello kitty online whenever they get greifed by the Devs? They like to play too.. You people are such selfish **ers I swear... Originally by:** David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Hamfast Gallente	Posted - 2007.09.04 18:37:00 - [108] Kaaii, I read in your thread that Capitol Ships built in your (and other) LSAA's left in Empire were allowed as long as they were jumped to low sec as soon as they were completed... Were all these new Capitol Ships going to follow this or were some going to stay in Empire? I am torn... I am sorry you and your fellows were not warned about what was planned with your LSAA's... Its a shame that we who will not be going to low sec space any time soon can't travel to see some of these Capital Ships by visiting Chribba and his Veld Assault Fleet... but it seems to me that if it became obvious that some of these Rorqual's that were being built by you and others were going to be kept in High Sec (Breaking the agreement that cap ships would leave High Sec soon after completion) warranted the removal of the LSAA's left in high sec... If the Continued existence of High Sec LSAA's were to be considered an exploit, I am not surprised that there was no warning as that is the CCP policy, but that change in policy needed to be addressed. --------*****-------- It takes 43 muscles to frown and 17 to smile, but it doesn't take any to just sit there with a dumb look on your face.
Kaaii Caldari Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.09.04 18:55:00 - [109] Originally by: Venkul Mul Originally by: Sazkyen Edited by: Sazkyen on 04/09/2007 15:12:02 If there can be people in-game who are allowed to own TII BPOs while others have no chance to get them then why the HECK not leave these guys have their assembly arrays in peace in empire space? ----------------------------------------- Maybe because at least half of that people has got his t2 BPO in with the same system you can use to get it, buyng it? Maybe because these guy where building Rorqual like mad with the express intentiuon of using them in high sec and unanchoring only the assembly array of the corporations doing that would have been favoritism? They have choose to gambe that the production of a capital that could work unnoticed in high sec would have been allowed like the building of capital combat ship that if used in high sec can be easily spotted and dealt with. They have lost the gamble. You presume to know alot for not being involved in any way. GMs had specificlly said caps ships built there were not allowed to stay, ricking a ban if you did. There, your'e smarter now. As ccp had full access to systems, resources etc, i don't think unnoticed is the right word for you to use..try, sanctioned. there, now you're twice as smart, you can keep up now.. According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations,
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.09.04 18:55:00 - [110] Originally by: Kaaii Originally by: Ricdic In regards to the mail from Kieron, anyone could find some old dev blogs that mention something won't happen when it did. Just need to suck it up I think. One might point to the tractor beam BPO cost change, if one was so inclined. Its going to cost XXX. Ginger magician buys a crap load, next day, we changed our minds. This doesn't mitigate the fact that it was handled any better then it was then. The only difference, is they told you... You would have liked a public annuncement "the 30th of august all the high sec large assembly array will be unanchored"? I think you will have found a lot of voltures trying to snitch avay yours at soon as it was unanchored, using any creative tactic they can think of to bump it out of the force field.
Kaaii Caldari Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.09.04 19:01:00 - [111] Anyway... Much thanks for those who understood the thrust of my post, in that any time, anywhere, any hour of the day, your "stuff" can change on you, no matter what was said previously. To the rest, appreciate your comments, flames, hate and discord...its all ones and zeros anyway... I did get mail from a senior gm. Telling me m My ships would be delivered to the low sec of my choice, once they completed. Thats nice. I also got, paraphrased as to not break any rules, you know how i am about that.. ----- Hi, That post was made in November 2006. This is something that was decided needs to be changed. These are not supposed to be available in high security space, and as such they have now been removed. ----- So in summary, @ you, Kieron... According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations,
Cornucopian Gallente Dutch Omega United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.04 19:02:00 - [112] Edited by: Cornucopian on 04/09/2007 19:03:26 edit; post deleted since the op decided to end his discussion. he has made peace. for this I salute you. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by: Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.09.04 19:19:00 - [113] Originally by: Kaaii Anyway... Much thanks for those who understood the thrust of my post, in that any time, anywhere, any hour of the day, your "stuff" can change on you, no matter what was said previously. To the rest, appreciate your comments, flames, hate and discord...its all ones and zeros anyway... I did get mail from a senior gm. Telling me m My ships would be delivered to the low sec of my choice, once they completed. Thats nice. I also got, paraphrased as to not break any rules, you know how i am about that.. ----- Hi, That post was made in November 2006. This is something that was decided needs to be changed. These are not supposed to be available in high security space, and as such they have now been removed. ----- So in summary, @ you, Kieron... You came you whined you argued you accepted and then you adapted.. Respect +1 Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Bentula	Posted - 2007.09.04 19:43:00 - [114] Originally by: Cornucopian Edited by: Cornucopian on 04/09/2007 19:03:26 edit; post deleted since the op decided to end his discussion. he has made peace. for this I salute you. But ... but ... i want to keep arguing , can he really just do that
Kaaii Caldari Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.09.04 20:02:00 - [115] Originally by: Bentula Originally by: Cornucopian Edited by: Cornucopian on 04/09/2007 19:03:26 edit; post deleted since the op decided to end his discussion. he has made peace. for this I salute you. But ... but ... i want to keep arguing , can he really just do that Oh and for the record, its *she*.... And boy can I argue, just ask my corpmates According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations,
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.09.04 20:04:00 - [116] Edited by: Venkul Mul on 04/09/2007 20:08:06 Originally by: Kaaii Originally by: Venkul Mul Originally by: Sazkyen Edited by: Sazkyen on 04/09/2007 15:12:02 If there can be people in-game who are allowed to own TII BPOs while others have no chance to get them then why the HECK not leave these guys have their assembly arrays in peace in empire space? ----------------------------------------- Maybe because at least half of that people has got his t2 BPO in with the same system you can use to get it, buyng it? Maybe because these guy where building Rorqual like mad with the express intentiuon of using them in high sec and unanchoring only the assembly array of the corporations doing that would have been favoritism? They have choose to gambe that the production of a capital that could work unnoticed in high sec would have been allowed like the building of capital combat ship that if used in high sec can be easily spotted and dealt with. They have lost the gamble. You presume to know alot for not being involved in any way. GMs had specificlly said caps ships built there were not allowed to stay, ricking a ban if you did. There, your'e smarter now. As ccp had full access to systems, resources etc, i don't think unnoticed is the right word for you to use..try, sanctioned. there, now you're twice as smart, you can keep up now.. Look the thread someone has linked to this about the Rorqual auction in high sec. Even it the OP was dening any knowledge of what and where the Rorqual would be used for, his selling point to start with a very high base price was that the ship would be in high sec. He was even advertising the ores available in system. So it was a clear invite form the owner of a large assembly array in high sec to build his merchandise and use it in high sec. You can see it in 2 different fashion: 1) he was convinced that the exploit would go unnoticed and selling the ship invitinpeople to use the exploit 2) he thought it would be noticed and was scamming people, knowing that a off game mechanic (the GM intervention) would depreciate his merchandise as soon as used. So he was exploiting an off game mechanic to get more from a ship sale than the ship was worth. So the existence of large assembly arrays was originating new exploits, based on the existence of the Rorqual. I don't see for CCP other option that removing them and fast. I presume a lot, let's seem: Know Rorqual on production in high sec at this point: Chribba, 2 of yours, 3 Goonswarm. Certified on sale 1 Goonswarm (16%). This after 1 week from the introduction of the Rorqual. To me it seem a high level of production in high sec for a ship destinated to low sec and from only 3 of the groups with high sech large assembly array.
Drachma Golea Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.09.04 20:10:00 - [117] Allthough I agree to the OP, hat this just shouldn't be done, the EULA prolly has that covered...
Ebodhisatva Gallente hunter killers	Posted - 2007.09.04 20:17:00 - [118] Originally by: Venkul Mul Edited by: Venkul Mul on 04/09/2007 20:08:06 Originally by: Kaaii Originally by: Venkul Mul Originally by: Sazkyen Edited by: Sazkyen on 04/09/2007 15:12:02 If there can be people in-game who are allowed to own TII BPOs while others have no chance to get them then why the HECK not leave these guys have their assembly arrays in peace in empire space? ----------------------------------------- Maybe because at least half of that people has got his t2 BPO in with the same system you can use to get it, buyng it? Maybe because these guy where building Rorqual like mad with the express intentiuon of using them in high sec and unanchoring only the assembly array of the corporations doing that would have been favoritism? They have choose to gambe that the production of a capital that could work unnoticed in high sec would have been allowed like the building of capital combat ship that if used in high sec can be easily spotted and dealt with. They have lost the gamble. You presume to know alot for not being involved in any way. GMs had specificlly said caps ships built there were not allowed to stay, ricking a ban if you did. There, your'e smarter now. As ccp had full access to systems, resources etc, i don't think unnoticed is the right word for you to use..try, sanctioned. there, now you're twice as smart, you can keep up now.. Look the thread someone has linked to this about the Rorqual auction in high sec. Even it the OP was dening any knowledge of what and where the Rorqual would be used for, his selling point to start with a very high base price was that the ship would be in high sec. He was even advertising the ores available in system. So it was a clear invite form the owner of a large assembly array in high sec to build his merchandise and use it in high sec. You can see it in 2 different fashion: 1) he was convinced that the exploit would go unnoticed and selling the ship invitinpeople to use the exploit 2) he thought it would be noticed and was scamming people, knowing that a off game mechanic (the GM intervention) would depreciate his merchandise as soon as used. So he was exploiting an off game mechanic to get more from a ship sale than the ship was worth. So the existence of large assembly arrays was originating new exploits, based on the existence of the Rorqual. I don't see for CCP other option that removing them and fast. I presume a lot, let's seem: Know Rorqual on production in high sec at this point: Chribba, 2 of yours, 3 Goonswarm. Certified on sale 1 Goonswarm (16%). This after 1 week from the introduction of the Rorqual. To me it seem a high level of production in high sec for a ship destinated to low sec and from only 3 of the groups with high sech large assembly array. So they never saw this coming? A Capital ship pwning a truck load of BS'es they could manage to get busted, but a system being robbed constantly from it's ore in 30 seconds isn't to be managed? Is it that the SQL-hamsters can't keep up, or are they admitting they made the mistake lettings Capitals Stay In Empire High Sex? I still think it's nice to see a big fat chribba veldnaught boat mining... I'd really would love to see that roq thing mining in high sex Originally by: CCP Prism X You wont have any LPs. You need LPs with said Corp and like I said I just nuked your LPs.
Gungankllr Caldari STK Scientific M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.09.04 21:12:00 - [119] The main problem is that shipyards with the ability to create capital-class ships should be colocated in an area that is open to attack by whoever is able to bring the skill and numbers to siege your POS. Risk and reward have to be balanced. you were happy to sit around churning out capital ships in an area where mineral prices were bottomed out, while being completely safe from attack. Sure, somebody could have wardecced you, but the amount of HP on a POS is pretty silly to assault without a significant force to include dreads. Things change in Eve, such is life. We've seen many things that we love nerfed for the (and pay attention to this part) betterment of the game. Remember Dual MWD Ravens? Remember Nanophoons? Missile Changes? Having a POS able to build capital ships in highsec was SUPPOSED to have been taken out months ago, you got away with it for a good time because you didn't advertise and were very quiet. Anyhow, I'm sorry you feel you were slighted, but you're going to find that most people would say "tough crap", go do it like the rest of us. Anyhow, I agree that everyone should have given a short notice.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.09.04 21:12:00 - [120] Originally by: Ebodhisatva So they never saw this coming? A Capital ship pwning a truck load of BS'es they could manage to get busted, but a system being robbed constantly from it's ore in 30 seconds isn't to be managed? Is it that the SQL-hamsters can't keep up, or are they admitting they made the mistake lettings Capitals Stay In Empire High Sex? I still think it's nice to see a big fat chribba veldnaught boat mining... I'd really would love to see that roq thing mining in high sex The Rorqual as a gang directing ship has an advantage on a Command Ship but as long as it is not required to be on the same grid it is hard to detect (beging a mining director giving the bonus is totally passive). A Rorqual compressing veldspater is a bit easier to detect but it will still be difficult. Both action will be exploit and both will be difficult to detect.

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