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The CaPoNe Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.09.20 22:36:00 - [31] Here a setup that it a bit friendly :) It contains the bug free version of the autoencoder and the latest h2.64 encoder incl. too. Grap it here Best Regards The CaPoNe My Eve tool page
Miriyana Gallente Legions of Derek	Posted - 2007.09.21 18:01:00 - [32] I dont know what optimising you did, but on my Dual 1.9Ghz I'm getting very near (20FPS) realtime speeds. I will just wait on the results now. (P.s. I'm using it to encode dvdrips ofcourse. ) - - - - - - Change just leads to more problems Originally by: CCP Wrangler Oh please no, I've had enough with real world taxes, and dealing with the tax agency. No more taxes!!
Miriyana Gallente Legions of Derek	Posted - 2007.09.21 18:44:00 - [33] Edited by: Miriyana on 21/09/2007 18:44:53 Edited by: Miriyana on 21/09/2007 18:44:15 Originally by: Miriyana I dont know what optimising you did, but on my Dual 1.9Ghz I'm getting very near (20FPS) realtime speeds. I will just wait on the results now. (P.s. I'm using it to encode dvdrips ofcourse. ) I was actually getting 24FPS. Same problem as described before by someone else, VDub won't find the sound in the avi file. edit: yes was using latest version Should I extract the audio manually and specify it in the GUI, if so, how do I do that? - - - - - - Change just leads to more problems Originally by: CCP Wrangler Oh please no, I've had enough with real world taxes, and dealing with the tax agency. No more taxes!!
The CaPoNe Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.09.21 21:59:00 - [34] Edited by: The CaPoNe on 21/09/2007 22:01:02 Quote: Should I extract the audio manually and specify it in the GUI, if so, how do I do that? how u can extract the audio i dont know i sometimes use vlc they a transcode option,but if u are able to do it, sure do it. i dont know what the hell i still could did wrong. can u post the part of vdub here, plz? thx in advance. Best Regards The CaPoNe My Eve tool page
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.09.21 22:31:00 - [35] Originally by: Miriyana I dont know what optimising you did, but on my Dual 1.9Ghz I'm getting very near (20FPS) realtime speeds. I will just wait on the results now. (P.s. I'm using it to encode dvdrips ofcourse. ) I changed the settings a lot. --me umh went to --me hex, which is about 2-3% worse quality wise but almost twice as fast. --merange was cut in half, etc, etc. Basically I went back and found that I hadn't chosen the settings particularly intelligently the first time around 23 Member EVE Video makers: save bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder! (updated)
Miriyana Gallente Legions of Derek	Posted - 2007.09.22 11:44:00 - [36] Originally by: The CaPoNe Edited by: The CaPoNe on 21/09/2007 22:01:02 Quote: Should I extract the audio manually and specify it in the GUI, if so, how do I do that? how u can extract the audio i dont know i sometimes use vlc they a transcode option,but if u are able to do it, sure do it. i dont know what the hell i still could did wrong. can u post the part of vdub here, plz? thx in advance. Ok, using AVI-Mux Gui, I just grabbed the audio from the original AVI, and the temp mkv file that was saved by your autoencoder, muxed them together, and I got a 350mb AVI file, to a 115mb mkv with little noticable difference. - - - - - - Change just leads to more problems Originally by: CCP Wrangler Oh please no, I've had enough with real world taxes, and dealing with the tax agency. No more taxes!!
NightmareX Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.09.22 12:38:00 - [37] Hmmm, yeah the bug where VDub won't find the sound in the movie files, wont go away
The CaPoNe Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.09.22 12:45:00 - [38] I will try to code my own avi extractor. so maybe i can avoid vdub. Best Regards The CaPoNe My Eve tool page
Miriyana Gallente Legions of Derek	Posted - 2007.09.22 14:27:00 - [39] Originally by: NightmareX Hmmm, yeah the bug where VDub won't find the sound in the movie files, wont go away Ok, AVImux worked a second time, this time I encoded without sound. I will post a small tute. http://i16.tinypic.com/4yinm3b.png - - - - - - Change just leads to more problems Originally by: CCP Wrangler Oh please no, I've had enough with real world taxes, and dealing with the tax agency. No more taxes!!
Miriyana Gallente Legions of Derek	Posted - 2007.09.22 14:33:00 - [40] Originally by: Miriyana Originally by: NightmareX Hmmm, yeah the bug where VDub won't find the sound in the movie files, wont go away Ok, AVImux worked a second time, this time I encoded without sound. I will post a small tute. http://i16.tinypic.com/4yinm3b.png That said, in this case the mkv was actually larger than the XviD . But it's only a 3 minute video, with vga res. And in smaller length files mp3 is smaller than aac I believe. - - - - - - Change just leads to more problems Originally by: CCP Wrangler Oh please no, I've had enough with real world taxes, and dealing with the tax agency. No more taxes!!
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.09.22 17:38:00 - [41] Originally by: Miriyana Originally by: Miriyana Originally by: NightmareX Hmmm, yeah the bug where VDub won't find the sound in the movie files, wont go away Ok, AVImux worked a second time, this time I encoded without sound. I will post a small tute. http://i16.tinypic.com/4yinm3b.png That said, in this case the mkv was actually larger than the XviD . But it's only a 3 minute video, with vga res. And in smaller length files mp3 is smaller than aac I believe. MP3 is always going to be larger than AAC for the same quality, it has nothing to do with the video length. Generally the H.264 video won't be as small or as high quality if you encode from an ugly Xvid file instead of your original source. 23 Member EVE Video makers: save bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder! (updated)
Miriyana Gallente Legions of Derek	Posted - 2007.09.22 18:30:00 - [42] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Miriyana Originally by: Miriyana Originally by: NightmareX Hmmm, yeah the bug where VDub won't find the sound in the movie files, wont go away Ok, AVImux worked a second time, this time I encoded without sound. I will post a small tute. http://i16.tinypic.com/4yinm3b.png That said, in this case the mkv was actually larger than the XviD . But it's only a 3 minute video, with vga res. And in smaller length files mp3 is smaller than aac I believe. MP3 is always going to be larger than AAC for the same quality, it has nothing to do with the video length. Generally the H.264 video won't be as small or as high quality if you encode from an ugly Xvid file instead of your original source. True on the latter, but it's a lot of compression for very little loss usually. But Im sure I recall reading on doom9 that mp3 beats AAC in some cases. I just found this, it's not my original source. Quote: "I used a 128kbit/s CBR MP3 audio track I created using BeSweet 1.5 beta 31 for all codecs using the AVI container. I used the same BeSweet and the latest Nero 6 AAC encoder DLLs to create a 128 kbit/s CBR HE AAC audio track for all codecs using the MP4 container." NOTE: both 128kbps. Quote: "# MP3: 121'621 KB # AAC: 121'875 KB" from : http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/codecs-main-105-1.htm Difference is minimal, but as I said, i recall that it was way more for a shorter file length. .(can't check gspot as i deleted the mkv recode I made before). - - - - - - Change just leads to more problems Originally by: CCP Wrangler Oh please no, I've had enough with real world taxes, and dealing with the tax agency. No more taxes!!
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.09.22 19:11:00 - [43] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 22/09/2007 19:12:05 Originally by: Miriyana Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Miriyana Originally by: Miriyana Originally by: NightmareX Hmmm, yeah the bug where VDub won't find the sound in the movie files, wont go away Ok, AVImux worked a second time, this time I encoded without sound. I will post a small tute.http://i16.tinypic.com/4yinm3b.png That said, in this case the mkv was actually larger than the XviD . But it's only a 3 minute video, with vga res. And in smaller length files mp3 is smaller than aac I believe. MP3 is always going to be larger than AAC for the same quality, it has nothing to do with the video length. Generally the H.264 video won't be as small or as high quality if you encode from an ugly Xvid file instead of your original source. True on the latter, but it's a lot of compression for very little loss usually. But Im sure I recall reading on doom9 that mp3 beats AAC in some cases. I just found this, it's not my original source. Quote: "I used a 128kbit/s CBR MP3 audio track I created using BeSweet 1.5 beta 31 for all codecs using the AVI container. I used the same BeSweet and the latest Nero 6 AAC encoder DLLs to create a 128 kbit/s CBR HE AAC audio track for all codecs using the MP4 container." NOTE: both 128kbps. Quote: "# MP3: 121'621 KB # AAC: 121'875 KB" from : http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/codecs-main-105-1.htm Difference is minimal, but as I said, i recall that it was way more for a shorter file length. .(can't check gspot as i deleted the mkv recode I made before). Well duh, obviously the same bitrate will be basically the same filesize... the point is that AAC can achieve the same quality as MP3 with a lower bitrate because its overall a more efficient compression algorithm. By that logic MPEG-2 is exactly the same as H.264, because at the same bitrate, they'll give the same filesize! 23 Member EVE Video makers: save bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder! (updated)
Ryysa Caldari	Posted - 2007.09.22 19:22:00 - [44] Edited by: Ryysa on 22/09/2007 19:24:57 Originally by: Miriyana But Im sure I recall reading on doom9 that mp3 beats AAC in some cases. I just found this, it's not my original source. Quote: "I used a 128kbit/s CBR MP3 audio track I created using BeSweet 1.5 beta 31 for all codecs using the AVI container. I used the same BeSweet and the latest Nero 6 AAC encoder DLLs to create a 128 kbit/s CBR HE AAC audio track for all codecs using the MP4 container." NOTE: both 128kbps. Quote: "# MP3: 121'621 KB # AAC: 121'875 KB" from : http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/codecs-main-105-1.htm Difference is minimal, but as I said, i recall that it was way more for a shorter file length. .(can't check gspot as i deleted the mkv recode I made before). I think you should go right back to school, and study SI units. Or did you fail school completely? Do you even know what kbps means? The post you quoted has nothing to do with the current case whatsoever, and you must be completely lacking ANY logic for quoting it and understanding it the way you did. EPIC FAIL. Thanks for giving me the best laugh in a LONG time. EW Guide - KB Tool - PVP Event
Miriyana Gallente Legions of Derek	Posted - 2007.09.22 21:24:00 - [45] Or did you fail school completely? no -_- Do you even know what kbps means? yes The post you quoted has nothing to do with the current case whatsoever, and you must be completely lacking ANY logic for quoting it and understanding it the way you did. probs EPIC FAIL. sheesh tough crowd, was just trying to help Thanks for giving me the best laugh in a LONG time. welcome :/ Originally by: Dark Shikari Well duh, obviously the same bitrate will be basically the same filesize... the point is that AAC can achieve the same quality as MP3 with a lower bitrate because its overall a more efficient compression algorithm. I see, yes should have realised. Thanks. - - - - - - Change just leads to more problems Originally by: CCP Wrangler Oh please no, I've had enough with real world taxes, and dealing with the tax agency. No more taxes!!
The CaPoNe Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.09.22 21:50:00 - [46] anyone has an AMD x2 3800+ ? and has problems with the neroAAC encoder? plz reply or eve mail me. Best Regards The CaPoNe My Eve tool page
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.09.22 22:13:00 - [47] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 22/09/2007 22:13:28 Originally by: Miriyana Or did you fail school completely? no -_- Do you even know what kbps means? yes The post you quoted has nothing to do with the current case whatsoever, and you must be completely lacking ANY logic for quoting it and understanding it the way you did. probs Unless I misunderstood it, your post was stating that since AAC is very slightly larger than MP3 at the same bitrate, MP3 is "better." That, of course, implies that the quality at the same bitrate is the same, which it is not. Also, since Ryysa responded to your post, you automatically fail, sorry. You cannot claim that anyone else except you fails when Ryysa responds to your post. 23 Member EVE Video makers: save bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder! (updated)
Ryysa Caldari	Posted - 2007.09.22 23:32:00 - [48] Originally by: Miriyana Or did you fail school completely? no -_- Do you even know what kbps means? yes The post you quoted has nothing to do with the current case whatsoever, and you must be completely lacking ANY logic for quoting it and understanding it the way you did. probs EPIC FAIL. sheesh tough crowd, was just trying to help Thanks for giving me the best laugh in a LONG time. welcome :/ Basically, regarding MP3 and AAC+... 64kbit AAC+ HEv1 is about equal to 192kbit MP3 as I have found. That's about 3x more efficient encoding on AAC+ part. The quote you posted was about target size meaning how much overhead each container+codec has and how exactly it can keep the bitrate (at VBR for example). What you said was just really, really, really, really, really (insert 10 more here) silly from a logical standpoint. That's why my sarcastic post ;) EW Guide - KB Tool - PVP Event
Avaricia The Accursed	Posted - 2007.09.28 03:33:00 - [49] Edited by: Avaricia on 28/09/2007 03:34:40 i just finished exporting a 294MB wmv from premiere, and while waiting for a 3 hour upload to eve-files decided to give this a try. but it doesn't work. problem 1: select my wmv file, select an output file to save as medium speed, medium quality, etc, all default settings it starts going and makes a 0 byte mkv file that just gives a windows error. so i try again, this time selecting include audio; audio is included in input file, 128kbps. the command prompt comes up, it gives error messages so fast i can't read them all, then closes, creating no mkv file in the process. i noticed there is no avisynth included in the downloaded archive, do i need this and where is it? edit: found avisynth, you hid it from me! gonna try this again...
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.09.28 04:34:00 - [50] Originally by: Avaricia i just finished exporting a 294MB wmv from premiere, and while waiting for a 3 hour upload to eve-files decided to give this a try. but it doesn't work. problem 1: select my wmv file, select an output file to save as medium speed, medium quality, etc, all default settings it starts going and makes a 0 byte mkv file that just gives a windows error. so i try again, this time selecting include audio; audio is included in input file, 128kbps. the command prompt comes up, it gives error messages so fast i can't read them all, then closes, creating no mkv file in the process. i noticed there is no avisynth included in the downloaded archive, do i need this and where is it? edit: found avisynth, you hid it from me! gonna try this again... double edit: it's encoding now, nevermind :P Great, just great, Capone forgot to include AviSynth in his installer 23 Member EVE Video makers: save bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder! (updated)
Avaricia The Accursed	Posted - 2007.09.28 04:56:00 - [51] he included it, i was just being lazy and stupid. it was extracted to the encoder directory, i only looked as far as the zip i downloaded off eve files. 5 minutes til my first attempt using it, will be very interested in results. it only encoded at 3.5fps, i have a dual core 3ghz system, is that average or am i doing something stupid (again) that's slowing it?
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.09.28 05:02:00 - [52] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 28/09/2007 05:02:45 Originally by: Avaricia he included it, i was just being lazy and stupid. it was extracted to the encoder directory, i only looked as far as the zip i downloaded off eve files. 5 minutes til my first attempt using it, will be very interested in results. it only encoded at 3.5fps, i have a dual core 3ghz system, is that average or am i doing something stupid (again) that's slowing it? Well, low speed mode on a high resolution video is exactly that... low speed. I wouldn't be surprised if its at least 3-4 times slower than medium speed. Use medium speed if you want a much faster mode without losing too much quality. Also note that if your dual core is a Pentium 4 it'll probably be a lot slower per clock than a Core 2. 23 Member EVE Video makers: save bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder! (updated)
Avaricia The Accursed	Posted - 2007.09.28 05:41:00 - [53] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 28/09/2007 05:02:45 Originally by: Avaricia he included it, i was just being lazy and stupid. it was extracted to the encoder directory, i only looked as far as the zip i downloaded off eve files. 5 minutes til my first attempt using it, will be very interested in results. it only encoded at 3.5fps, i have a dual core 3ghz system, is that average or am i doing something stupid (again) that's slowing it? Well, low speed mode on a high resolution video is exactly that... low speed. I wouldn't be surprised if its at least 3-4 times slower than medium speed. Use medium speed if you want a much faster mode without losing too much quality. Also note that if your dual core is a Pentium 4 it'll probably be a lot slower per clock than a Core 2. that was on medium speed, and it is a P4. source was 1024x768, 3700kbps, medium quality and speed. was just curious if that was normal performance or not, not complaining or anything :)
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.09.28 07:22:00 - [54] Originally by: Avaricia Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 28/09/2007 05:02:45 Originally by: Avaricia he included it, i was just being lazy and stupid. it was extracted to the encoder directory, i only looked as far as the zip i downloaded off eve files. 5 minutes til my first attempt using it, will be very interested in results. it only encoded at 3.5fps, i have a dual core 3ghz system, is that average or am i doing something stupid (again) that's slowing it? Well, low speed mode on a high resolution video is exactly that... low speed. I wouldn't be surprised if its at least 3-4 times slower than medium speed. Use medium speed if you want a much faster mode without losing too much quality. Also note that if your dual core is a Pentium 4 it'll probably be a lot slower per clock than a Core 2. that was on medium speed, and it is a P4. source was 1024x768, 3700kbps, medium quality and speed. was just curious if that was normal performance or not, not complaining or anything :) That's pretty slow, but then again, P4s are pretty slow. 23 Member EVE Video makers: save bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder! (updated)
Avaricia The Accursed	Posted - 2007.09.28 07:38:00 - [55] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Avaricia Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 28/09/2007 05:02:45 Originally by: Avaricia he included it, i was just being lazy and stupid. it was extracted to the encoder directory, i only looked as far as the zip i downloaded off eve files. 5 minutes til my first attempt using it, will be very interested in results. it only encoded at 3.5fps, i have a dual core 3ghz system, is that average or am i doing something stupid (again) that's slowing it? Well, low speed mode on a high resolution video is exactly that... low speed. I wouldn't be surprised if its at least 3-4 times slower than medium speed. Use medium speed if you want a much faster mode without losing too much quality. Also note that if your dual core is a Pentium 4 it'll probably be a lot slower per clock than a Core 2. that was on medium speed, and it is a P4. source was 1024x768, 3700kbps, medium quality and speed. was just curious if that was normal performance or not, not complaining or anything :) That's pretty slow, but then again, P4s are pretty slow. no matter, it's done, was just curious. very nice work with it, 294 shrunk to 114 with minimal color loss. unfortunately eve-files had a heart attack half way through my upload and is mostly unresponsive
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.09.29 00:15:00 - [56] Updated again. 23 Member EVE Video makers: save bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder! (updated)
The CaPoNe Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.09.29 00:20:00 - [57] Edited by: The CaPoNe on 29/09/2007 00:25:42 new in build 1036 updated virtualdub(32 bit) to v1.7.4 (still no clue if vista is supported) updated h264 encoder to 0.680 added a a bugreporter that send us the batchfiles maybe we can found some bugs at this way(dont tell me that your ISP is blocking port 587!!!) Check the help button ;) i wont add new features until this nasty audio bug is eliminated ( Vista user i cant help) Best Regards The CaPoNe My Eve tool page
Stork DK Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2007.09.29 17:05:00 - [58] Hi DS o7 Do you have a good method of speeding upmy videos? -------------- Who dares to mod my sig?!
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.09.29 20:17:00 - [59] Originally by: Stork DK Hi DS o7 Do you have a good method of speeding upmy videos? Well generally when you edit your videos, whether in Premiere or whatever, you can speed them up quite easily within the program. Note that its not recommended to do anything other than a multiplicative speedup, as an arbitrary speedup leads to frameblending, which drastically reduces compression. 23 Member EVE Video makers: save bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder! (updated)
The CaPoNe Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.09.30 10:11:00 - [60] reuploaded Linkage Best Regards The CaPoNe My Eve tool page

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