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TWD
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Posted - 2004.02.11 15:16:00 -
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last night when we were fighting people outside a player owned station, some of them just docked when they couldnt get out and were heavily damaged.
is this intended or a bug?
ppl can just place their entire force around a station, and when they are in trouble.. they can just dock... isnt that a bit stupid ? |
Wild Rho
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Posted - 2004.02.11 15:25:00 -
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Well when they dock you can start firing on the station tp lower its sheilds and try to capture it. It may take longer but sooner or later they will have to come out and fight you or lose the station to you.
And when one of the launches you can just pick them apart. Either way they end up trapping themselves.
I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it... |
Joviah
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Posted - 2004.02.11 15:27:00 -
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last night when we were fighting people outside a player owned station, some of them just docked when they couldnt get out and were heavily damaged.
is this intended or a bug?
ppl can just place their entire force around a station, and when they are in trouble.. they can just dock... isnt that a bit stupid ?
Think about it this way...
The corporation that owns the station actually OWNS the station. In that regard it only makes sense that aggression does not apply to those corp members fighting to protect that station. What's the guy at the shipdock gonna do -- tell me to go away? The only reason he has a job (in an RP sense) is because my corp hired him to perform a function (tow my ship into dock when I request it).
heh heh it makes perfect sense. How can I be deemed a threat to my own assets?
Joviah
Director, Cirrius Technologies
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TWD
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Posted - 2004.02.11 15:27:00 -
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or even better..
dock, undock and get full shields and cap ! |
TWD
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Posted - 2004.02.11 15:29:00 -
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but it certainly screws up the PvP
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Joviah
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Posted - 2004.02.11 15:37:00 -
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heh depends on which side you're on I guess. The corporations that have worked to acquire and defend those stations should be able to use every asset at their disposal -- sort of a perk of the job.
I can understand what you're saying though, it is weird. Rules of PvP combat will be different around POS than NPC stations, especially when other modular components of stations get worked into EVE. (Warp Disruption Modules, Force Field Emitters, Sentry Guns, etc...) Expect a corporation that can afford to do so to fight tooth and nail to protect their assets. You may find that certain corporations you haven't had problems with in the past fight all the harder, because you've backed them into a corner when you're attacking their stations. :)
Joviah
Director, Cirrius Technologies
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.02.11 15:53:00 -
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Can't see the problem - if you're keeping them docked you can happily start pounding away at the station anyway and take it over.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Joviah
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Posted - 2004.02.11 16:03:00 -
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Good point Josh.
Another point to take into account is that there are NO repair facilities in any POS currently available. Therefore any damage taken before docking will still be there after undocking, regardless of the circumstances. Now, the corporation may, and probably will, have armor and hull repair modules located at the station for employee use (assuming they've gotten a chance to dig in, which I seriously doubt the vast majority have as of yet.) But, armor and hull repair modules have little use in a fight to defend a station, especially if the aggressor forces are massive enough to overcome the defensive forces AND take on the shields of the station in any sane amount of time.
Joviah
Director, Cirrius Technologies
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Shia Dai
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Posted - 2004.02.11 17:07:00 -
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you don't get full shields and cap by docking and undocking . . . a couple patches ago (i think with castor) the system started remembering your shield and capacitor states when you dock and it continues to recharge at the regular rate.
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Teelmaster
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Posted - 2004.02.11 17:13:00 -
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What really ****es me off is the fact that you can't boot out the offices once you take a station, and what is even annoying.....YOU CANT KICK OUT ANYONE THAT IS DOCKED!!! Ok, if we own a station.....shouldnt it be in our full control and we can kick out those that shouldnt be there?
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Joviah
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Posted - 2004.02.11 17:44:00 -
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Another good point Teelmaster -- Offices should be able to be either irradicated in the station, or at least the contents and everything "confiscated."
Of course, it doesn't make much of a difference as it's only a matter of time. If you take the public availability of an office away, the corporation purchasing it shouldn't be able to re-rent. If they can (which we won't know for roughly... 27-28 days now) then we indeed have a serious problem. One thing to note, you can set the standings so that people either can't dock, or make it extremely expensive to dock. Even at 0.10ISK/m3 of a ship, the cost to dock a battleship is something around the area of 100-150k ISK. Sucks if you've forgotten to grab something and need to redock (and the station is not under your ownership.)
Joviah
Director, Cirrius Technologies
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TWD
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Posted - 2004.02.11 17:46:00 -
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I just tested that docking, undocking thing and I still get full shields/cap..
ah well it just sucks a bit to see people be almost totally safe when they engage fighting |
Zeus
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Posted - 2004.02.11 17:59:00 -
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Theres ment to be a advantage to it being your station, just take it off them and dont let them dock again. otherwise STOP WHINEING 
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Jara
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Posted - 2004.02.11 22:41:00 -
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So what you're saying is that in the interest of fairness, and overwhelming force (POS + ships owning the POS) should have some sort of handicap?
Hmm, sounds good to me.
I guess in the interests of fairness that the same restrictions be applied to a large fleet of pirates camping at various locations in the PF/FD systems; I guess it's best to be consistent.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.02.12 09:55:00 -
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That's wierd, TWD.
I just tested the shields/cap recharging when docked and only my cap got fully recharged. My shields were still down.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
SLIM
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Posted - 2004.02.12 11:00:00 -
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That's wierd, TWD.
I just tested the shields/cap recharging when docked and only my cap got fully recharged. My shields were still down.
Hit shield boost once when you undock, should zip right up to full, no matter how far you were down when you docked.
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Silverlancer
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Posted - 2004.02.12 11:37:00 -
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The Traumark Installation
The Traumark Installation represents the proudest moment in the history of the Tash-Murkon family - a massive fortress guarding the southern space territories of the vastly rich royal family. But that moment came and went when the fortress, once thought to be impregnable, fell into the hands of Sansha's Nation. All efforts to retake the installation have failed and today it stands as a thorn in the side of the proud, but humbled, Tash-Murkons.
Stations are very hard to take back. Read the above.
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lickspittle
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Posted - 2004.02.12 13:55:00 -
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Docking aggression restrictions will be put back in place for those that belong to the corporation that currently owns the station.
Will aim for it coming out in a hotfix tomorrow.
-- Richard
CCP Programmer. Anything said above is not the official line, but my own take or opinion. |
Joviah
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Posted - 2004.02.12 14:17:00 -
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I really don't think that makes any sense LickSpittle, but thanks for letting us know.
Joviah
Director, Cirrius Technologies
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Alynthir
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Posted - 2004.02.12 14:21:00 -
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Docking aggression restrictions will be put back in place for those that belong to the corporation that currently owns the station.
Will aim for it coming out in a hotfix tomorrow.
This is crap. If you OWN the station it refuses to let you dock while trying to defend it?!
Yeah... that makes sense. 
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Saint Viper
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Posted - 2004.02.12 14:40:00 -
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What a crock of Sh*t
I will have to have serious words with my CEO when his station manager refuses to let me dock while defending his backside.
What is the point in POS??? There is no real advantage to having them if you cannot defend them properly.
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Nicholas Marshal
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Posted - 2004.02.12 14:53:00 -
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At least this will mean that people will HAVE to defend their stations.
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Saint Viper
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Posted - 2004.02.12 14:55:00 -
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They would have to anyway, otherwise the enemy will just start pounding the shields in a attempt to take it over.
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foster
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Posted - 2004.02.12 18:51:00 -
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i think if it is your/your corps station it so let you dock regardless. make it so when you undock you don't have full shields and caps. you should have to wait for them to recharge |
Uzael
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Posted - 2004.02.12 20:06:00 -
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Edited by: Uzael on 12/02/2004 20:07:13
It is PAINFULLY obvious that no one in CCP understands the concept of COMBAT. When nations (Or in our case Corporations) go to war and they fight you do not see the base tell its soliders "You can't come in because you just fought the enemy and thats BAD!" Tell us CCP what was the point to POS's? If not a base? And if said POS is a base that can be captured by enemy forces then why would it deny its Soliders access? Once again CCP you have failed to implement a solution that uses any sort of common sense. Instead someone cried and you ran in swinging the nerf bat blindly with out properly evaluating the situation. Did it ever cross your mind that the reason that person is crying is because they want an advantage over another player? What are you going to do when the players you placed at a disadvantage complain? You gonna make the stations stronger? Maybe give us the deployable sentries you keep crowing about all the time? No, you wont, you'll attempt another "Hot Fix" instead of a proper one. And more people will be angry. Its such a shame, such a grand game reduced to playing second fiddle, due to gross mismanagement of the game dynamics.
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UZAEL
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Raid
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Posted - 2004.02.12 20:19:00 -
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Docking aggression restrictions will be put back in place for those that belong to the corporation that currently owns the station.
Will aim for it coming out in a hotfix tomorrow.
Lickspittle. What is the logic behind this move?
If i own the property, why is the game restricting my access to it?
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Thrak
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Posted - 2004.02.12 20:32:00 -
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Oh good. Obviously some n00b petitioned.
This makes no sense and takes away any advantage the defenders had (and should have).
What a load of bull****.
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Joviah
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Posted - 2004.02.12 20:34:00 -
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Edited by: Joviah on 12/02/2004 20:36:17
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At least this will mean that people will HAVE to defend their stations.
Yep, but if I'm not mistaken wasn't that the case all along? How does this change the fact that they have to be defended?
If this is going to happen, where are my sentry guns?
heh I'm laughing pretty hard here... It's becoming painfully obvious that my corporate employees would like to utilize our property in a way which makes sense.
I can understand shields and cap not recharging when you dock at ANY station, regardless of ownership. THAT would make sense. This is sortof like my doorman, whom is in my employ, telling me he's not going to open the door for me because he doesn't agree with the way I handle myself outside of my home. If that were the case, my doorman would be fired on the spot and a new one would be hired -- without a second thought.
Oh, and I should also be able to tell my doorman to let my buddies in whenever they do something "naughty" too.
Joviah
Director, Cirrius Technologies
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Zeus
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Posted - 2004.02.12 20:34:00 -
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There is no point to this hot fix, it should be open to you if you own it period. If a attacking force does not like it they should take the station and stop it otherwise its pointless. Unless your a carebear Pirate like TWD
whine whine 
patch this tommorow, an you'll have alot of ****ed off people, more so than the ones annoyed they cant kill someone going to "there" station. 
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Uzael
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Posted - 2004.02.12 20:39:00 -
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(Ducks the NERF bat as it flys past on another round of game play mechanics destruction)
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