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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.09.09 14:24:00 -
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Can the believers of the official story please explain this picture? :)
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renzzalt
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Posted - 2007.09.09 14:27:00 -
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I am from the internet and have had extensive practise with Photoshop, and as such can tell that this is quite cleary shopped.
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Sereifex Daku
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Posted - 2007.09.09 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: Sereifex Daku on 09/09/2007 14:32:42 I have a new conspiracy theory. I believe that hippies are trying to kill all non-hippies through repetitive crap that allows us to die of boredom.
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Caid Lemant
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Posted - 2007.09.09 14:32:00 -
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It's the attack of blurriness!
Don't know what hippies have to do with this. --------
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Carth Jared
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.09.09 14:44:00 -
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What exactly are you trying to prove with this picture? That it didnt happen? :)
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.09.09 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Carth Jared What exactly are you trying to prove with this picture? That it didnt happen? :)
Im just asking for a explanation how this could occur with our current laws of physics.
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Caid Lemant
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Posted - 2007.09.09 14:46:00 -
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How what happened? All I see is a blurry picture that cant be taken seriously. --------
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Lal QelThyr
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.09.09 14:48:00 -
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Physics Explanation: Someone turned on there computer, found a picture of a plane and pasted it in front of the twin towers?
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.09.09 14:48:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 09/09/2007 14:52:16
Originally by: Caid Lemant How what happened? All I see is a blurry picture that cant be taken seriously.
You dont see the plane being inside the building without damaging the building?
Originally by: Lal QelThyr Physics Explanation: Someone turned on there computer, found a picture of a plane and pasted it in front of the twin towers?
I know, thats what you would think, isnt it. :) But this frame is part of the mainstream media footage that was shared with the world as What Happened.Ö You can verify that by going to whatever site you want and see the video of it, and try to pause at the moment when the plane hits the building.
Or save the movie, go into Adobe Premiere or whatever and look at the frames.
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Caid Lemant
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Posted - 2007.09.09 14:50:00 -
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I see a plane with a whole lot of pixels around it that don't fit. --------
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Lal QelThyr
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.09.09 14:51:00 -
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The angle that this "Photo" has been taken from makes it hard to see exactly where the nose of the plane is, however yes, I can see how someone might think that on first sight.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.09.09 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Lal QelThyr The angle that this "Photo" has been taken from makes it hard to see exactly where the nose of the plane is, however yes, I can see how someone might think that on first sight.
Its a frame from the mainstream news video footage, not a photo. --- The Disclosure Project | My UFO Thread (read it!) |
Lal QelThyr
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.09.09 14:55:00 -
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Its the same general thing though .
Fine, this frame from the video = what I just said.
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snaike
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.09.09 14:57:00 -
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I see a plan travelling at, what was it, about 400mph slamming into the side of a building. I see the 1st half of the plan dissapear into the building, **** knows how fast, like 0.01 seconds or somthin stupid and quite simply i see the building hasn't had time to react. I mean jesus christ, why does everything have to be a conspiracy theory?
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.09.09 14:59:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 09/09/2007 15:01:47
Originally by: snaike I see a plan travelling at, what was it, about 400mph slamming into the side of a building. I see the 1st half of the plan dissapear into the building, **** knows how fast, like 0.01 seconds or somthin stupid and quite simply i see the building hasn't had time to react. I mean jesus christ, why does everything have to be a conspiracy theory?
The building havent had time to react?
WTF, dont you see that half the plane is inside the building without the building being damaged?
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Possesive
Caldari GALAXIAN RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.09 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 09/09/2007 15:01:47
Originally by: snaike I see a plan travelling at, what was it, about 400mph slamming into the side of a building. I see the 1st half of the plan dissapear into the building, **** knows how fast, like 0.01 seconds or somthin stupid and quite simply i see the building hasn't had time to react. I mean jesus christ, why does everything have to be a conspiracy theory?
The building havent had time to react?
WTF, dont you see that half the plane is inside the building without the building being damaged?
Not every reaction is instantaneous, Im sure most people would also be able to make the connection between the old trick where a candle is sliced in half by a sword and the picture shown. Its possible its the same principle but dont let physics and other such troublesome bits of reality get in the way of your conspiracy theory.
Other than that, photoshop.
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snaike
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.09.09 15:10:00 -
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I dnt ****in know do I. All I'm saying is that I think saying september the 11th was faked/government plot or whatever is one of the biggest loads of bull**** ever. All it really does is proves everyones paranoia. Besides which, if it was executed by the govt, wouldn't there be a bit more footage of the 1st impact, rather than some firefighter documentary cameraman getting lucky. Getting sucked in by these conspiracy nuts is just as bad as getting suckered in by govt conspiracies. Either way, everyone is wrong.
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Def Antares
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Posted - 2007.09.09 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Can the believers of the official story please explain this picture? :)
amazing! after 6 years you are the first to recognize!
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.09.09 15:12:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 09/09/2007 15:12:46
Originally by: Possesive
Not every reaction is instantaneous
Really? Let me know the next time you pass half way through a building without making a hole in the wall.
Originally by: Possesive
dont let physics and other such troublesome bits of reality get in the way of your conspiracy theory.
You mean the physics of flying airplanes half way through buildings without making holes in them? OK thanks, ill try not to.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.09.09 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Def Antares
amazing! after 6 years you are the first to recognize!
Hey, look around you. Still plenty of people who dont have a clue about this hoax. --- The Disclosure Project | My UFO Thread (read it!) |
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.09 15:21:00 -
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I'm no expert, but that does look highly like a photoshop. Its got that pixel border effect that photoshopped images always tend to have.
Any chance you can find a video from a reputable source that shows this? Like, say, a CNN video where you can see this frame? ------
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Xanorok
Minmatar mega mining corporation Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.09 15:28:00 -
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There's too little information to go with the picture to accurately assess what is going on. For example at what time does the moment the picture shows happen? Moment of impact?
Without such information is it not only quite impossible for those who believe all this to be a terrorist attack to proove it as such judging from the picture in question, but it makes it equally impossible for those who believe it to be a conspiracy to proove that they are right. In other words, basing an argument from this picture without any additional information is basically a fallacy because all evidence is easily, and successfully, subjected to doubt.
But in any case, what do you believe you should be seeing? Just so you contribute something else than a picture for people to base their argument on.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2007.09.09 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 09/09/2007 15:01:47
Originally by: snaike I see a plan travelling at, what was it, about 400mph slamming into the side of a building. I see the 1st half of the plan dissapear into the building, **** knows how fast, like 0.01 seconds or somthin stupid and quite simply i see the building hasn't had time to react. I mean jesus christ, why does everything have to be a conspiracy theory?
The building havent had time to react?
WTF, dont you see that half the plane is inside the building without the building being damaged?
He's right.
That plane was moving around 590 mph. Half the plane in the photo is in the building. The wings and engine nacelles are still outside.
From this link we see that about 75 feet of the plane was in the building in your photo. 590 mph translates into 865 feet/second. So it took the plane 0.086 seconds to move that far in.
Now consider that the physics of the impact will initially have all the material of the building moving inward with the plane. Really here the only damage so far is from a fuselage. It is pushing material ahead of it. The photo is far too blurry to see damage from the shockwave propagating. Things like this take time to happen. It is not instant.
Besides, we have photos and video taken by hundreds, perhaps thousands of cameras of this event. We have tens of thousands of New Yorkers who watched it happen with their own eyes. We have missing planes and the people on those planes.
I ma not sure if you are saying the plane did not hit but seriously. I actually know one person who personally saw the second plane hit with his own eyes. I do not know how you could possibly believe it to be otherwise.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.09.09 15:57:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 09/09/2007 15:58:04
I dont know what really happened. Its just that there are tons of video evidence that doesnt add up.
I was looking around for a good cnn video of the crash, but stumbled upon this video where they claim manhattan turned invisible. Any of you guys living around there and know what it looks like, please check it out. Obvious fake?
Description: Nobody wants to believe that CNN aired cartoons on 9/11. Maybe it's easier to... believe that Manhattan turned invisible? The government animators left out some key buildings and got the perspective wrong.
Link: Linkage
(Look at the buildings which are trees on CNN's footage, on the right hand side of WTC).
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Sooplex
Amarr toxicology
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Posted - 2007.09.09 16:01:00 -
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If there were no planes then there is no way to keep the 1000's of people who witnessed the event silent/force them to make up a story.
The real conspiracy is this, or at least this is part of the bigger picture.
Who is fooling who?
Please watch this video all the way through before making any conspiracy nut comments in my direction.
The most important part of this is the 3rd building that collapsed straight down into its own footprint at free fall speed. This building was WTC7 and was not even hit by a plane.
The bottom line is that the new world order required a catastrophe similar to Pearl Harbour to be able to proceed with/justify the invasion of the oil producing countries.
But as politics are forbidden on this forum, please make your own conclusions.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.09.09 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Sooplex
The bottom line is that the new world order required a catastrophe similar to Pearl Harbour to be able to proceed with/justify the invasion of the oil producing countries.
There are plenty of videos showing how the firemen talk about "removing explosives" from the buildings as well. There is SO MUCH that doesnt add up if you really look at it.
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Sooplex
Amarr toxicology
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Posted - 2007.09.09 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Sooplex
The bottom line is that the new world order required a catastrophe similar to Pearl Harbour to be able to proceed with/justify the invasion of the oil producing countries.
There are plenty of videos showing how the firemen talk about "removing explosives" from the buildings as well. There is SO MUCH that doesnt add up if you really look at it.
I agree. We are all being made to look like fools...
Please watch the video above.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2007.09.09 16:10:00 -
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Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 09/09/2007 16:11:33 Watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_ymEpxvTSw (17 seconds)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXTzd05bETw (1 second)
It is not easy with YouTube controls but if you pause the first video in the 17 second time frame and the second video in the 1 second time frame you can get the effect Jim is describing. But move the video a frame ahead and there is plenty of damage.
There are many other angles on this from different sources. In order for a conspiracy to happen the government would have had to get every cameraman, sound man, news room and all the people in it and a few thousand New Yorkers to go with it.
But hey....why let a little thing like the truth and common sense get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.
Here it is again
And again...
And again...
And again...
How many do you need? Government got to all these people and doctored their video? All these newsrooms and private citizens?
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.09.09 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
But hey....why let a little thing like the truth and common sense get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.
Check out the invisible manhattan video please, I got a bit curious about it. It must be fake.
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snaike
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.09.09 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 09/09/2007 15:58:04
I dont know what really happened. Its just that there are tons of video evidence that doesnt add up.
Theres also tons of conspiracy theory videos that dont add up. Both the govt and these conspiracy folk ommit various parts of videos and information to suit their own agenda for the evidence they are presenting. Whether its a conspiracy or a coverup simply means which bits of the information provided are ommitted.
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