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Sooplex
Amarr toxicology
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Posted - 2007.09.09 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: snaike
Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 09/09/2007 15:58:04
I dont know what really happened. Its just that there are tons of video evidence that doesnt add up.
Theres also tons of conspiracy theory videos that dont add up. Both the govt and these conspiracy folk ommit various parts of videos and information to suit their own agenda for the evidence they are presenting. Whether its a conspiracy or a coverup simply means which bits of the information provided are ommitted.
If you watch the video that I posted above, you'll find ALL the evidence you need for this particular theory that the planes could not have brought the buildings down. This is a documentry compiled by expert architects etc...it ain't a crank job.
Watch it.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.09.09 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Sooplex
If you watch the video that I posted above, you'll find ALL the evidence you need for this particular theory that the planes could not have brought the buildings down. This is a documentry compiled by expert architects etc...it ain't a crank job.
Watching it now, thanks for posting it. --- The Disclosure Project | My UFO Thread (read it!) |
Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2007.09.09 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
But hey....why let a little thing like the truth and common sense get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.
Check out the invisible manhattan video please, I got a bit curious about it. It must be fake.
I'm not seeing the "problem" in that video.
Additionally it does not address hundreds of views of the same event from different camera people from all sorts of different news rooms from all over the world (foreign journalists as well as American ones) and innumerable regular citizens photographing it and tens of thousands of people who were there who witnessed the whole thing.
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Dred 'Morte
Winds of Dawn Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.09 17:04:00 -
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Ignore jim mcgregors original pic, it's irrelevant
The relevant thing is, all evidence points out that World Trade Center was an inside job, what hit the Pentagon was not a big plane and NOTHING except a missile hit that field where alegedly a plane going for the white house went down.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.09.09 17:07:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 09/09/2007 17:21:10
Originally by: Dred 'Morte Ignore jim mcgregors original pic, it's irrelevant
The relevant thing is, all evidence points out that World Trade Center was an inside job, what hit the Pentagon was not a big plane and NOTHING except a missile hit that field where alegedly a plane going for the white house went down.
Yeah, Ive changed my original post a bit to reflect this.
If this was a inside job... is there a possibility that the newly released bin laden video is also a fake, and that there will be a new attack next week that are to be blamed on bin laden?
I really hope not, but like ive posted before, on the 14:th of september, there will be no fighters or bombers in the air in the entire united states. They are grounded for "review of procedures". Just like on 9/11 2001 when they were called away doing scheduled war games.
--- The Disclosure Project | My UFO Thread (read it!) |
Azrael Maxim
Flexible Demeanour
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Posted - 2007.09.09 17:24:00 -
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I am just wondering Jim and or others, now that you have copy pasted all this information from the internet and you have made your conclusions, what exactly are you going to do to save the world ?
Do you think that if everybody believes the same thing as you there will be some kind of change, and if so what will it be ?
How will all this improve your life ?
Honestly curious what this will lead to for you personally.
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Dred 'Morte
Winds of Dawn Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.09 17:33:00 -
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I'm still in the last year of school. I'm portuguese. I don't think there's anything I can do. If i were older and american, you can bet I would dedicate my life to truth.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.09.09 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Azrael Maxim I am just wondering Jim and or others, now that you have copy pasted all this information from the internet and you have made your conclusions, what exactly are you going to do to save the world ?
Do you think that if everybody believes the same thing as you there will be some kind of change, and if so what will it be ?
How will all this improve your life ?
Honestly curious what this will lead to for you personally.
Well...
Downsides:
- Being the "conspiracy nut" - Being seen as someone who hates America - Being seen as someone who just want attention
Upsides:
- Eh... no idea. Thinking im doing the right thing probably.
--- The Disclosure Project | My UFO Thread (read it!) |
SubTig
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Posted - 2007.09.09 17:40:00 -
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I think you need to get a god damn grip.
Oh it's the government it was ufo's it was a missile or what ever the new theory is this week.
You might want to start thinking about the thousands of people who died or have been closely effected by what has happened.
get our of computer chairs and get into the real world people.
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SubTig
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Posted - 2007.09.09 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Azrael Maxim I am just wondering Jim and or others, now that you have copy pasted all this information from the internet and you have made your conclusions, what exactly are you going to do to save the world ?
Do you think that if everybody believes the same thing as you there will be some kind of change, and if so what will it be ?
How will all this improve your life ?
Honestly curious what this will lead to for you personally.
Hear, hear.
I have friends who have done active service in Iraq and Afgan. I was put on standby for the UK terrorist attacks on the tube to run temporary mortuaries.
I'm just waiting for the "it's all about oil" comments cos then I'm going let both barrels go.
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Sooplex
Amarr toxicology
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Posted - 2007.09.09 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Azrael Maxim I am just wondering Jim and or others, now that you have copy pasted all this information from the internet and you have made your conclusions, what exactly are you going to do to save the world ?
Do you think that if everybody believes the same thing as you there will be some kind of change, and if so what will it be ?
How will all this improve your life ?
Honestly curious what this will lead to for you personally.
I understand your question and it is a relevant one.
Let this video be the answer to your "Head in the sand question"...
The goal is awareness, not just for myself, but for as many people as possible. The truth is important I think you will agree. I don't like being lied to. I don't like countries being invaded and 100,000's of people killed based on untruth's and hidden agenda's.
If I reveal a video (as above) which promotes people to think about it, then each of those people are likely to tell/show video to several other people in an exponential effect. The questions have NOT been answered.
Perhaps you have children, perhaps you don't but I think that IF it is true that we are being lied to on a massive scale then our children and their children are going to be living in a world which could be a very dark place.
The USA is well on its way to being a controlled "police state", cameras everywhere, DNA recording, new laws that allow all private communication to be monitored in the name of terror.
I don't think that I can change things, but if everyone stuck their heads in the sand then we will never know, and yes if everyone believes that USA government self-inflicted 9/11 then there is likely to be an inquest, huge political changes etc.
I don't know how such an event would affect me personally tbh, I just think we should keep asking the questions until they are answered.
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Asestorian
Minmatar Domination.
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Posted - 2007.09.09 18:14:00 -
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Edited by: Asestorian on 09/09/2007 18:14:48 I'm a little confused here. Are you seriously saying that planes didn't crash into buildings on that day?
Honestly, that's just silly. If it was an inside job, as it may be, or it may not be, then it's simply easier to help plan in secret the attacks, and then help them out with making them. Explosives, training, supplying of planes, etc etc. Why wouldn't they do this, instead of getting thousands of Americans and foreigners to stay silent, and somehow succeeding?
In my opinion, it isn't an inside job, it was just incompetence by the leaders of the country in ignoring the intelligence that they received about it.
Why are all these conspiracy theories so ridiculous?
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Sooplex
Amarr toxicology
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Posted - 2007.09.09 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: SubTig
I think you need to get a god damn grip.
Oh it's the government it was ufo's it was a missile or what ever the new theory is this week.
You might want to start thinking about the thousands of people who died or have been closely effected by what has happened.
get our of computer chairs and get into the real world people.
Sorry, but that has got to be the most blinkered observation in this thread thus far.
"Thousands of people who died" I assume you are referring to the estimated 500-900k Iraq civilian casualties, 3000+ soldiers (more than 9/11 on its own.)
You talk about friends who have or are serving in the middle-east. Why are they there?...
to spread democracy? to fight terror?
or to control oil fields?
The Americans approached the Taliban government in 1999 with a proposal for a huge oil pipe which would lead from the Caspian Sea, through Afghanistan to Pakistan thus taking away a huge slice of the oil trade away from China. The Taliban refused.
Within A FEW HOURS of the new American backed government being installed in Kabul...the deal for the pipe was signed!!!
You think our guy's are there for freedom!...the phrases "computer chair" and "real world" spring to mind.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.09.09 18:20:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 09/09/2007 18:21:47
Originally by: Asestorian
I'm a little confused here. Are you seriously saying that planes didn't crash into buildings on that day?
The post started out questioning that photo, but has since then moved on to basically show the documentary, and discuss its implications.
Removing the picture now since its probably misleading to new readers. --- The Disclosure Project | My UFO Thread (read it!) |
Azrael Maxim
Flexible Demeanour
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Posted - 2007.09.09 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Sooplex okay
Even if you reach a critical mass of people that all start to believe in it all, what will happen then ?
Are you hoping for a peacefull revolution like the russian perestrojka ? And then what ?
Most of the time all the conspiracy warriors I hear their only goal seems to be to make people believe something, there never is any rational thinking as to what will happen when they are proven right.
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Sooplex
Amarr toxicology
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Posted - 2007.09.09 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Asestorian Edited by: Asestorian on 09/09/2007 18:14:48 I'm a little confused here. Are you seriously saying that planes didn't crash into buildings on that day?
Honestly, that's just silly. If it was an inside job, as it may be, or it may not be, then it's simply easier to help plan in secret the attacks, and then help them out with making them. Explosives, training, supplying of planes, etc etc. Why wouldn't they do this, instead of getting thousands of Americans and foreigners to stay silent, and somehow succeeding?
In my opinion, it isn't an inside job, it was just incompetence by the leaders of the country in ignoring the intelligence that they received about it.
Why are all these conspiracy theories so ridiculous?
You didn't peruse the evidence correctly. The topic of discussion is now about whether the buildings were demolished by planted explosives.
Please observe this documentary fully before using the word "ridiculous"
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.09.09 18:26:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 09/09/2007 18:27:21
Originally by: Azrael Maxim
Even if you reach a critical mass of people that all start to believe in it all, what will happen then ?
Are you hoping for a peacefull revolution like the russian perestrojka ? And then what ?
Most of the time all the conspiracy warriors I hear their only goal seems to be to make people believe something, there never is any rational thinking as to what will happen when they are proven right.
I could answer this question but I dont want the thread to become about politics since its not allowed.
By the way, what are you doing yourself to improve things in your country?
--- The Disclosure Project | My UFO Thread (read it!) |
Asestorian
Minmatar Domination.
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Posted - 2007.09.09 18:31:00 -
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Edited by: Asestorian on 09/09/2007 18:31:54
Originally by: Sooplex
Originally by: Asestorian Edited by: Asestorian on 09/09/2007 18:14:48 I'm a little confused here. Are you seriously saying that planes didn't crash into buildings on that day?
Honestly, that's just silly. If it was an inside job, as it may be, or it may not be, then it's simply easier to help plan in secret the attacks, and then help them out with making them. Explosives, training, supplying of planes, etc etc. Why wouldn't they do this, instead of getting thousands of Americans and foreigners to stay silent, and somehow succeeding?
In my opinion, it isn't an inside job, it was just incompetence by the leaders of the country in ignoring the intelligence that they received about it.
Why are all these conspiracy theories so ridiculous?
You didn't peruse the evidence correctly. The topic of discussion is now about whether the buildings were demolished by planted explosives.
Please observe this documentary fully before using the word "ridiculous"
Ah ok. Sorry, I ended up skimming through the thread, and couldn't be bothered to watch the videos.
And don't get me wrong. I don't think your stupid for believing what you believe as such. But I thought the argument was something else which was ridiculous.
I agree that it is possible that the American government had a hand in the destruction caused on September 11, in order to find an excuse to go to war in Iraq and get lots of oil. It doesn't matter to me personally, because that is the past, and what needs to be done now is something else entirely (removal of Bush, but politics isn't allowed so will ignore that train of thought).
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.09.09 18:38:00 -
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Jimich von DSniken?
Interesting ... --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon.
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Sooplex
Amarr toxicology
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Posted - 2007.09.09 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Asestorian Edited by: Asestorian on 09/09/2007 18:31:54
Originally by: Sooplex
Originally by: Asestorian Edited by: Asestorian on 09/09/2007 18:14:48 I'm a little confused here. Are you seriously saying that planes didn't crash into buildings on that day?
Honestly, that's just silly. If it was an inside job, as it may be, or it may not be, then it's simply easier to help plan in secret the attacks, and then help them out with making them. Explosives, training, supplying of planes, etc etc. Why wouldn't they do this, instead of getting thousands of Americans and foreigners to stay silent, and somehow succeeding?
In my opinion, it isn't an inside job, it was just incompetence by the leaders of the country in ignoring the intelligence that they received about it.
Why are all these conspiracy theories so ridiculous?
You didn't peruse the evidence correctly. The topic of discussion is now about whether the buildings were demolished by planted explosives.
Please observe this documentary fully before using the word "ridiculous"
Ah ok. Sorry, I ended up skimming through the thread, and couldn't be bothered to watch the videos.
And don't get me wrong. I don't think your stupid for believing what you believe as such. But I thought the argument was something else which was ridiculous.
I agree that it is possible that the American government had a hand in the destruction caused on September 11, in order to find an excuse to go to war in Iraq and get lots of oil. It doesn't matter to me personally, because that is the past, and what needs to be done now is something else entirely (removal of Bush, but politics isn't allowed so will ignore that train of thought).
Ok cool man. I am not a ranting conspiracy nut. Unfortunately in discussions like this it is far too easy to see the general topic and conclude such.
I just believe that if anyone is interested in this sort of thing, then it is worthwhile watching the video and commenting on that.
The problem is that you get alot of people who just jump in blind folded and start yelling "conspiracy nut!!"
I thought you were one...apologies.
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SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2007.09.09 18:45:00 -
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Edited by: SoftRevolution on 09/09/2007 18:46:25 Oh dear :|
Really. This is just getting silly.
Quote: Here's why. The entire 9/11 "Truth" movement rests on the idea that the World Trade Center towers were rigged with explosives, a "Controlled Demolition" like you see with old buildings. That's the whole thing. They say the buildings couldn't have come down otherwise.
Forget the fact that no experts on the subject agree with them. That's not the point right now. We're just trying to get inside these guys' heads.
Now, maybe you could keep the plan itself a secret. A few dozen murderous black ops guys, demolitions experts with a grudge against the USA, maybe they've been brainwashed. Who knows. Maybe it could be done. People point out that the Manhattan Project to build the atomic bomb was kept a secret, so why not this?
But the cover-up. Holy ****, guys. Covering this thing up after the fact would be like trying to keep the atomic bomb a secret after Hiroshima. Just wait 'till you hear this.
First, picture the demolitions teams wiring up the World Trade Center towers with explosives prior to the attack. Obviously you couldn't do it during business hours, since it'd be kind of hard to explain to the 100,000 people who worked at or visited the WTC towers on any given day why you had a huge chunk of wall torn out and were wiring up a bomb on the steel beams there.
World Trade Center observation deck. Notice: people are there.
I mean, keep in mind, I don't know how big of a job that would be (no one has ever demolished a building that size before) but a building just half the size of one WTC tower took 4,000 separate charges to bring down. Four thousand.
That job took seven months of prep work... and they had the run of an abandoned building, without having to hide their work from 100,000 people every day. Our demolition crew, on the other hand, can work only at night and has to spend the last bit of every shift carefully repairing the wall and hiding any evidence of charges or detonators as not to be discovered during the day.
Huge teams of demolitions experts, who had no problem wiring a building full of innocent New Yorkers to explode, hired in secret, worked every night for what had to be a year (and that's only if they had a big enough crew) placing maybe 10,000 separate charges in each tower and another few thousand in WTC 7 (the smaller WTC tower that also collapsed, later in the day on 9/11).
And nobody notices.
What is it about conspiracies that makes them so attractive to you?
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Tarquin Tarquinius
Gallente Escorts of Eve
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Posted - 2007.09.09 19:04:00 -
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The History channel did an awsome special where they methodically debunked every single 9/11 conspiracy using "REAL" experts and not the self-proclaimed ones.
They also did one about the Kennedy Assassination and The Moon Landings. ------ wait...what? |
Death Kill
Caldari direkte
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Posted - 2007.09.09 19:06:00 -
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Sorry. Anyone who think 9-11 was an inside job is a class A idiot.
STAND OUT! |
Death Kill
Caldari direkte
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Posted - 2007.09.09 19:11:00 -
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and any idiot going on about how they didnt find pieces of planes look HERE
STAND OUT! |
Blacksilk
Caldari Absolutely No Return
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Posted - 2007.09.09 19:11:00 -
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Interesting video about the WTC. WTC7 in particular.
The theory of controlled explosions certainly seems to fit - especially with all the WITNESS testimony.
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Sooplex
Amarr toxicology
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Posted - 2007.09.09 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: SoftRevolution Edited by: SoftRevolution on 09/09/2007 18:46:25 Oh dear :|
Really. This is just getting silly.
Quote: Here's why. The entire 9/11 "Truth" movement rests on the idea that the World Trade Center towers were rigged with explosives, a "Controlled Demolition" like you see with old buildings. That's the whole thing. They say the buildings couldn't have come down otherwise.
Forget the fact that no experts on the subject agree with them. That's not the point right now. We're just trying to get inside these guys' heads.
But the cover-up. Holy ****, guys. Covering this thing up after the fact would be like trying to keep the atomic bomb a secret after Hiroshima. Just wait 'till you hear this.
First, picture the demolitions teams wiring up the World Trade Center towers with explosives prior to the attack. Obviously you couldn't do it during business hours, since it'd be kind of hard to explain to the 100,000 people who worked at or visited the WTC towers on any given day why you had a huge chunk of wall torn out and were wiring up a bomb on the steel beams there.
World Trade Center observation deck. Notice: people are there.
I mean, keep in mind, I don't know how big of a job that would be (no one has ever demolished a building that size before) but a building just half the size of one WTC tower took 4,000 separate charges to bring down. Four thousand.
And nobody notices.
What is it about conspiracies that makes them so attractive to you?
Nice post...but
its just a column of text with no backing evidence. How do we know it takes several months to wire that amount of explosives? Would any employee's really notice if the explosives were placed within the central steel columns of the building which would have maintenance access?
We DO know there were SEVERAL power-downs and evacuation drills in the months prior to 9/11 (documented). We DO know that even if the steel columns failed at a certain height then the steel columns would still be standing below that point (documented) We DO know that the free-fall pancake effect is impossible (documented)
Why is there LIQUID steel in the rubble 6 weeks after the event if the steel only "weakened"?
The best one is that your little quote contains a line stating "Forget the fact that no experts on the subject agrees with them"
If you took the time to watch the VIDEO first, which BTW, is the whole point, instead of coming in with a baseless quotes, you will find that there are 15-20 of the leading architects and structural engineers from around the world claiming that it HAD to be more than just planes.
Please watch the video and come up with some counter evidence which disagrees with the engineers...in other words...proof or STFU.
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Blind Man
Angel Deep Corporation
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Posted - 2007.09.09 19:13:00 -
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you ppl are wasting ur time, and who cares who did it, i sure dont..
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Blacksilk
Caldari Absolutely No Return
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Posted - 2007.09.09 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Death Kill and any idiot going on about how they didnt find pieces of planes look HERE
Whats your point with this link?
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Sooplex
Amarr toxicology
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Posted - 2007.09.09 19:16:00 -
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Edited by: Sooplex on 09/09/2007 19:20:35
Originally by: Death Kill and any idiot going on about how they didnt find pieces of planes look HERE
(Hasn't watched the documentary)...
I don't believe anyone has even mentioned not finding pieces of plane.
Is it at all possible for people to watch the video first before posting, and to make observations based on THAT piece of evidence. It is, after all what this post is about?
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Daelorn
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.09.09 19:32:00 -
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