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Sooplex Amarr toxicology	Posted - 2007.09.10 13:26:00 - [121] Originally by: SoftRevolution Edited by: SoftRevolution on 10/09/2007 12:28:48 [i]edit Now the second possibility on the other hand requires that I believe the elected government of a first world nation just got up one morning and decided to kill thousands of it's own people and then had the collective will and indeed the capability to carry out that action and to successfully execute a cover-up of unprecedented scale. Believe it! I rest my case...the document for The New American Century is all the incentive that you need showing why they self-inflicted this. What does 3500 people matter when we are talking about global market enslavement?
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.09.10 13:27:00 - [122] Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 10/09/2007 13:28:50 Originally by: Sooplex I would just like to commend everyone on keeping what is a sensitive subject in an almost sensible format. There are two very polarized camps and this could easily have descended into silly name calling, and apart from a couple of people trying to de-rail the thread with cries of "idiot!" (only making themselves appear so), it has remained a good debate. Why have you not addressed any of the points I made in post #86? I've given your evidence a viewing and responded to it. Time for you I think to tell me where I am wrong. As for those who believe in a conspiracy here if you truly believe that then you must live in perpetual fear. To suppose a group of people out there are willing and capable of pulling this off and never getting caught it hugely scary. They can pretty much do anything. And IF there were some people who wanted to see this happen why both towers? One was not enough? Why use a "controlled demolition"? If they are willing to do this bringing the towers down nice and neat in a controlled fashion seems oddly thoughtful. Why down WTC-7 which could not be hit by a plane? Just to show they could? The twin towers were not sufficiently dramatic somehow? Why wait to drop the towers? They really wanted to kill as many firemen as possible? Or in an odd pang of conscience while willing to cause this mayhem they hoped for some time for people to get out? Would it not be better to "hide" their demolition by dropping the towers moments after the planes struck? They got Al Quaida to cop to the whole thing? Bin Laden is their stooge? They actually run these terrorist organizations? They wrote a manifesto, are openly a part of that organization and then hoped no one would notice or that they could evade trouble from it?
Razaiel V	Posted - 2007.09.10 13:31:00 - [123] I find it very amusing the number of ppl who say " who cares who did it " . I mean seriously thats the dumbest thing i ever heard , the US lost 4000 ppl in that incident and then went to war with other countires losign more of their soliders and killing many more in other countires not to mention civilians on both sides who suffer tremedously and in the end some little Joe here wants to look tough on forums and says " we dotn care who did it we just like going to war to blow **** up. The real idiots are the ppl who dotn care and get spoon fed what ever garbage they choose to hear.
Arron S Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.09.10 13:43:00 - [124] WTS- Tin Foil hats..
Sooplex Amarr toxicology	Posted - 2007.09.10 13:43:00 - [125] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 10/09/2007 13:28:50 Why have you not addressed any of the points I made in post #86? I've given your evidence a viewing and responded to it. Time for you I think to tell me where I am wrong. As for those who believe in a conspiracy here if you truly believe that then you must live in perpetual fear. To suppose a group of people out there are willing and capable of pulling this off and never getting caught it hugely scary. They can pretty much do anything. And IF there were some people who wanted to see this happen why both towers? One was not enough?... No idea Why use a "controlled demolition"? If they are willing to do this bringing the towers down nice and neat in a controlled fashion seems oddly thoughtful... so that the rubble, especially the neatly cut steel beams could be moved quickly and the site "scrubbed", the evidence was controlled and removed. Why down WTC-7 which could not be hit by a plane? Just to show they could? The twin towers were not sufficiently dramatic somehow?... WTC7 contained 1000's of files pertaining to ongoing legal cases against ENRON, Haliburton and several other huge companies linked to the men in power like *** Chaney. The cases were dropped.* Why wait to drop the towers? They really wanted to kill as many firemen as possible? Or in an odd pang of conscience while willing to cause this mayhem they hoped for some time for people to get out? Would it not be better to "hide" their demolition by dropping the towers moments after the planes struck?... the story of "steel melting" or "weakening" would not work if the towers dropped immeadiately. They got Al Quaida to cop to the whole thing? Bin Laden is their stooge? They actually run these terrorist organizations?... very possibly considering the connection between the Bin Laden family and the Bush family and the funding of the Mujadeeen in Afghanisthan against the Russians in the 80's They wrote a manifesto, are openly a part of that organization and then hoped no one would notice or that they could evade trouble from it?... I don't think they are going to get away with it in the long run Hope that answers some of your questions...
Ealiom Infinitus Morti R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.09.10 13:47:00 - [126] I'm truly surprised that some of the posters in your threads and Jim himself have not recieved warning and or forum bans by now. Search on youtube for some video clips of jets being atomized on impact when hitting a solid stationary target. Worried about planes crashing into nuclear reactors engineers tested various situations, search about and you will find those video clips. Your craziness has reached new hieghts! ModelsBlackbird Executioner
Doune	Posted - 2007.09.10 13:48:00 - [127] Slightly off-topic here but for all you alternative news lovers out there who like a good read, check out The Strecker Memorandum. AIDS didn't magically appear when a Green Monkey bit an African native on the bum, it was actually premeditated, manufactured by the World Health Organisation and then strategically deployed simultaneously in Africa, Haiti and North America. There's so much good stuff on the net about it, great bedtime reading! The Strecker Memorandum
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.09.10 14:06:00 - [128] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 10/09/2007 14:07:06 Originally by: Ealiom I'm truly surprised that some of the posters in your threads and Jim himself have not recieved warning and or forum bans by now. What forum rule are you referring to? This is not politics, its about how thousands of people got killed, not by accident, but by premeditated murder. --- The Disclosure Project \| My UFO Thread (read it!)
Tenerhaddi Trinity Corporate Services	Posted - 2007.09.10 14:09:00 - [129] wtf? dude whats next Diana death next? This is just getting silly! ---------------- http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1771556
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2007.09.10 14:23:00 - [130] Originally by: Tenerhaddi wtf? dude whats next Diana death next? This is just getting silly! Just cause not everything in life is a conspiracy, doesn't mean that the whole idea of conspiracies does not exists.
Ealiom Infinitus Morti R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.09.10 15:17:00 - [131] Edited by: Ealiom on 10/09/2007 15:32:03 Edited by: Ealiom on 10/09/2007 15:25:02 Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 10/09/2007 14:08:43 Originally by: Ealiom I'm truly surprised that some of the posters in your threads and Jim himself have not recieved warning and or forum bans by now. What forum rule are you referring to? This is not politics, its about how thousands of people got killed, not by accident, but by premeditated murder. You don't think blaming a government for those 'premeditated murders' is at all political Oh god don't make me go into all those threads linking the offending posts. Politics, links to unsuitable videos, racism. All this fire doesnt melt steel at those temperatures is utter garbage. When these massive columns are spanning these huge distances with the load they are carrying. The stresses involved are huge, you take that steel up to 1000c and it will be expanding and softening. The larger the span the more dead load that poor softening beam has to support. Originally by: Jim McGregor I find it very tragic that people are attacking me for bringing out the truth about this. People are 'attacking' you because you are doing the same thing certain opther aspects of society do. You are ramming your views and ideas down our throats. More often than not those views are like gasoline soaked bait ready for the flame. Even if you mean no harm and wish only to discuss. This is the internet and this is a game forum 'teen rated'. This is not the place for some of the posts that have been smothering this forum lately. ModelsBlackbird Executioner
Templer Relleg Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.10 15:22:00 - [132] I have seen several long videos on this, and yeah. I think it was all set up. Nice post tho. Havent seen this video.
Arron S Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.09.10 15:39:00 - [133] I herd manbearbig is responsible for it all
Daelorn State War Academy	Posted - 2007.09.10 15:39:00 - [134] Originally by: Miss Anthropy The one main thing that really makes me want to believe all the conspiracy theories going around these days about 9/11 and American politics in general is this; George W Bush is simply too stupid to be President of the US. Have you heard this guy speak? He's an utter moron. There has to be someone behind him pulling the strings and telling him what to do and personally I believe it's the corporations. He makes a better comedian than a president... »»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.09.10 16:03:00 - [135] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 10/09/2007 16:15:11 Originally by: Ealiom All this fire doesnt melt steel at those temperatures is utter garbage. When these massive columns are spanning these huge distances with the load they are carrying. The stresses involved are huge, you take that steel up to 1000c and it will be expanding and softening. The larger the span the more dead load that poor softening beam has to support. Ok, so the scientific opinion is garbage, but your opinion is not... Originally by: Ealiom People are 'attacking' you because you are doing the same thing certain opther aspects of society do. You are ramming your views and ideas down our throats. More often than not those views are like gasoline soaked bait ready for the flame. No, im showing evidence there was explosives in the buildings. Im not ramming my opinions down anyones throat, im having a discussion. There are some people in the thread who have been able to have a intelligent discussion about it, others have used insults and ridicule instead of facts. Ive tried to ignore the latter since I know perfectly well where all that leads. Nowhere. Originally by: Ealiom This is the internet and this is a game forum 'teen rated'. This is not the place for some of the posts that have been smothering this forum lately. Thats your opinion, not a fact. I dont see why this thread would cause any harm to teens. Maybe I have greater respect for their ability to think for themselfs than you do. Lets be honest. You want to lock the thread because the topic and the conclusion upsets YOU. --- The Disclosure Project \| My UFO Thread (read it!)
Ealiom Infinitus Morti R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.09.10 16:16:00 - [136] Edited by: Ealiom on 10/09/2007 16:18:30 Originally by: Ealiom All this fire doesnt melt steel at those temperatures is utter garbage. When these massive columns are spanning these huge distances with the load they are carrying. The stresses involved are huge, you take that steel up to 1000c and it will be expanding and softening. The larger the span the more dead load that poor softening beam has to support. Originally by: Jim McGregor Ok, so the scientific opinion is garbage, but your opinion is not... UUUUh mate I am looking out my office window at the high rise building our office and I are designing in Glasgow next to the Hilton hotel. (Glaswegians here will know which one im talking about) Are you telling me that at 1000c and in some instances lower steel does not begin to significantly weaken!?! Originally by: Ealiom People are 'attacking' you because you are doing the same thing certain opther aspects of society do. You are ramming your views and ideas down our throats. More often than not those views are like gasoline soaked bait ready for the flame. Even if you mean no harm and wish only to discuss. This is the internet and this is a game forum 'teen rated'. This is not the place for some of the posts that have been smothering this forum lately. Originally by: Jim McGregor Thats your opinion, not a fact. Against the rules therefore fact! Originally by: Jim McGregor I dont see why this thread would cause any harm to teens. Maybe I have greater respect for their ability to think for themselfs than you do. I'll forgive the fact that you probably have to defend yourself with every other post so your just fighting out with bile. I am not attacking you! I do have a great respect for teens to think for themselves BUT I have a greater respect for the rules of this forum! You would do well to read them. ModelsBlackbird Executioner
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.09.10 16:23:00 - [137] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 10/09/2007 16:23:45 Ealiom, this thread is not against the rules until a mod decides it is. Stop trying to derail it please. Read the scientific evidence, disagree with it if you like by showing your own evidence (or link to it), thats what the thread is for. Thank you. --- The Disclosure Project \| My UFO Thread (read it!)
Ealiom Infinitus Morti R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.09.10 16:40:00 - [138] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 10/09/2007 16:23:45 Ealiom, this thread is not against the rules until a mod decides it is. Stop trying to derail it please. Read the scientific evidence, disagree with it if you like by showing your own evidence (or link to it), thats what the thread is for. Thank you. A quote from Barbour Index Regulations & Guidance Fire Protection for Structural Steel in buildings 4th Edition Regulations require certain elements of structure to have fire resistance. Whether or not an element requires fire resistance depends upon such things as size, height, use and occupancy of the building and the function of the element. When exposed to fire all commonly used structural materials lose some of their strength, for example, concrete can spall exposing reinforcement, timber sections deplete by charring and steel members eventually lose strength. Heavily loaded steel will lose its design margin of safety at temperatures around 550¦C regardless of the grade of steel. Members carrying appreciably less than their full capacity may remain stable at temperatures up to, and beyond 700¦C. We build these things mate if it is not in Barbour index you can't build it. If you want a sit on the fence comment from me it would be this. In order for the fire not to have severly weakened that building it would have to have had an enormous amount of steel. Far far higher than would have been requird to actually build it. For what you are saying to be correct the building would have to be designed to support a dead and live load far in excess to what it actually did. I can assure you that those buildings were not designed that way. ModelsBlackbird Executioner
Father Weebles	Posted - 2007.09.10 16:47:00 - [139] Originally by: SoftRevolution Now the second possibility on the other hand requires that I believe the elected government of a first world nation just got up one morning and decided to kill thousands of it's own people The U.S. government killings its own people isn't that rare. Just look at what happened to Chilean government in the 70's. Money and influence are the most powerful tools known to man, way more important to figureheads than a couple thousand lives. Look at the Stock Market crash. The forces behind that were a few of the most powerful men in the country. Some also say FDR allowed the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor even with a forewarning from the Australians that a Japanese fleet was on course due to hit Hawaii. Originally by: SoftRevolution and then had the collective will and indeed the capability to carry out that action and to successfully execute a cover-up of unprecedented scale. Ever heard of the Gulf of Tonkin? Originally by: SoftRevolution I'm not seeing any convincing motive for this. Insurance scam? Please. As if. I haven't got the numbers in front of me, but as a rule people like that tend to just get richer anyway. Without killing lots of people. The supposed goal of the most powerful famalies is to create a panic of terrorism in order for the country to be mobolized for war. What are we doing in Iraq, bringing democracy? When was the last time America gave 2 **s about another country without knowing full well they would profit big time? Originally by:** SoftRevolution World takeover? I'm not sure I recall Dubya being especially hawkish before this happened. Who said G.W. was the brains behind the scheme? Originally by: SoftRevolution And it's not like you're anything like on your way to a world takeover. Ever heard of the Amero? Ever wondered why the U.S. didn't give 2 ****s about border control? I'm on the middile line. I try to keep an open mind about this kind of stuff. Would it surprise me if the figureheads that pull the strings behind the scene be responsible for 9/11 and other incidents in the past? Not a bit. "You leave anything for us?" "Just bodies."
Zell Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.09.10 16:51:00 - [140] Just this.. What do you hope to gain by posting the most misleading, micro-misanalysed, substandard renditions of the "facts" that have already been debunked, proven false, and dismissed by the real experts in the field...? A coward dies a thousand times, the brave die just once..
Tenerhaddi Trinity Corporate Services	Posted - 2007.09.10 16:52:00 - [141] sorry jim but this is politics. You not talking about people who died you talking about there was a goal with in government! Politics to make this crap happen to give it a reason to do Iraq and such? . I sorry but facts? what ever dude! terrorists attacked the twin end of US and UK and other forces spanked them! and still spanking them! all politics and that's that! ---------------- http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1771556
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.09.10 16:54:00 - [142] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 10/09/2007 16:56:41 Originally by: Ealiom Heavily loaded steel will lose its design margin of safety at temperatures around 550¦C regardless of the grade of steel. Members carrying appreciably less than their full capacity may remain stable at temperatures up to, and beyond 700¦C. We build these things mate if it is not in Barbour index you can't build it. Well, the scientific report argues that since molten steel was found in the wreckage of WTC, but the temperatures was not enough to melt it, the towers could only have been brought down by explosives or cutter charges. Its pretty foolproof. Molten steel should not have been there if the structure only weakened and eventually fell apart on its own. Also you have the firemen who saw explosive charges in the buildings. And did you know that the steel from the building was taken away very quickly before anyone could study it, and shipped to Asia for recycling? Otherwise, the best way to find proof of explosions is to examine the steel leftovers. --- The Disclosure Project \| My UFO Thread (read it!)
Ealiom Infinitus Morti R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.09.10 17:03:00 - [143] There is a difference Jim; between do you believe in Aliens thread and this. This is a very sensitive subject to many people and I am afraid some of your comments could be taken as hurtful and incite full. Just because the mods have not arrived to close the thread does not mean you should post whatever you wish. Mods have lives too you know they can't watch everything we say. I believe in many a wierd thing in this universe, and would enjoy a good debate but this is just getting tasteless. ModelsBlackbird Executioner
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.09.10 17:08:00 - [144] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 10/09/2007 17:09:29 Originally by: Ealiom I believe in many a wierd thing in this universe, and would enjoy a good debate but this is just getting tasteless. Tasteless? What is tasteless is that the guys who did this is currently laughing his ass off because people dont even realize there was explosives in the buildings despite the evidence. Im not even American, and I still feel for the people who died in those explosions. You guys, on the other hand, would prefer to not even know the truth. Thats tasteless and disgusting. You arent even arguing over the evidence. You are trying to get the thread locked on some bullcrap reason because you dont want to hear the truth. --- The Disclosure Project \| My UFO Thread (read it!)
Ealiom Infinitus Morti R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.09.10 17:09:00 - [145] Im sorry Jim but who said there was Molten steel? Pictures, credible reports. Firemen saw explosive charges! Firemen saw explosive charges! I do not believe that for an instant - it would have had more credibility had you not mentioned that! ModelsBlackbird Executioner
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.09.10 17:12:00 - [146] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 10/09/2007 17:14:07 Originally by: Ealiom Im sorry Jim but who said there was Molten steel? Pictures, credible reports. Firemen saw explosive charges! Firemen saw explosive charges! I do not believe that for an instant - it would have had more credibility had you not mentioned that! Bomb in the building FDNY describe the bombs planted in the World Trade Center Thats two of quite a few. Why dont you skeptics do some actual research into this instead of attacking the ones who have? --- The Disclosure Project \| My UFO Thread (read it!)
Zell Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.09.10 17:21:00 - [147] back at you... A coward dies a thousand times, the brave die just once..

Jacques Archambault Forum Moderator	Posted - 2007.09.10 17:23:00 - [148] Please do not discuss politics on the forums, as this is against the forum rules. -Jacques forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website!


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