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Clorus
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Posted - 2007.09.10 19:52:00 -
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The game doesn't give many clues, so I'm here with a question, are those blueprints in lp stores original or copies?
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Jastra
Gallente
Core Domination
Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2007.09.10 20:01:00 -
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Copies, pretty sure it says that in the description
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Aprudena Gist
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Posted - 2007.09.10 20:22:00 -
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every time i look at one it doesn't say if its a copy or a original.
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Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.09.10 21:01:00 -
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All are 5 run copies with me 0, pe 0.
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2007.09.11 03:20:00 -
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Edited by: Dr BattleSmith on 11/09/2007 03:21:04
For me it says....
Navy BS 600k LP.
No copy flag.
No runs limit.
Just a production limit of 10, which is how many u can cook in one sitting.
This stops factories from being clogged up by ppl putting on 6 months of cooking.
Stupid if they are copies, would rather pay 800m for them then run agents forever and a day.
-Ben
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El'essar Viocragh
Minmatar
FSK23
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Posted - 2007.09.11 03:43:00 -
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1.) Production Limit = maximum number of runs a BPC of that type can have. You can build twice as many in one batch without any problems if you have a BPO.
2.) No, that is not the faction BS bpo you were looking for.
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RedLion
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.09.11 03:45:00 -
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Yeah, buying stuff has become alot cheaper.
The new changes really is a blow to mission runners :S
but w/e!
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2007.09.11 08:05:00 -
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Edited by: Dr BattleSmith on 11/09/2007 08:07:56
Edited by: Dr BattleSmith on 11/09/2007 08:06:10
Edited by: Dr BattleSmith on 11/09/2007 08:05:43
 Originally by: El'essar Viocragh
1.) Production Limit = maximum number of runs a BPC of that type can have. You can build twice as many in one batch without any problems if you have a BPO.
2.) No, that is not the faction BS bpo you were looking for.
So why is it not then correctly labeled as a BPC and instead has 100% of the traits of a BPO?
Including copy time, research time etc. If it were a BPC it wouldn't have any of these,
would be labeled Copy in the header and Copy = Yes as an attribute,
with Licenced Production Runs Remaining number as well.
Thus...
In my book this is a BPO. If it isn't a BPO when I get it, then CCP must replace it
with a BPO as the labeling is a bug as far as I'm concerned.
If Production Limit = Max in one batch on every other BP.
Yet Production Limit = Licensed Production Runs Remaining on this one.
Then that is a mistake, I can understand how the coders may have been forced into
using a BPO with special code to take account of it's specialness, however this
was a mistake and resulted in what can only be called a bug if it is in-fact the case.
What I'm looking at in the LP store is without a doubt a BPO based on it's attributes and labels.
Also..... If this is a BPC I'd like all my corps LP converted into isk at a reasonable rate,
as we just wasted months.
-Ben
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2007.09.11 08:47:00 -
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Apoc Navy BPO from LP Store
Apoc Navy BPC from Contract
So tell me again that it's a copy?
This time someone who actually knows and is 100% sure of what they are talking about please.
-Ben
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DeadRow
Dragonstar
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Posted - 2007.09.11 09:06:00 -
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It says production limit: 10. If its an orginal it would say unlimited.
If they let out copies the market would be flooded with Faction BS sending them down to normal BS price levels.
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Jastra
Gallente
Core Domination
Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2007.09.11 09:22:00 -
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hmm, your right, I guess I just assumed rightly that they were copies, however, from the patch notes looks like it might be fixed soon
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2007.09.11 10:14:00 -
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Quote:
It says production limit: 10. If its an orginal it would say unlimited.
Incorrect... Production Limit is never unlimited. It used to be....
and you couldn't find lab slots etc anywhere in empire. So the limit
means people can no longer tie up factory slots for years at a time.
Production limit is in no way related to BPO vrs BPC. Both have it.
Originally by: Jastra
hmm, your right, I guess I just assumed rightly that they were copies, however, from the patch notes looks like it might be fixed soon
I haven't been able to find these patch notes that seem to be in the back of people minds.
Link? How long ago? Relating to what?
-Ben
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.09.11 10:37:00 -
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Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 11/09/2007 10:37:40
Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 11/09/2007 10:37:08
Originally by: Dr BattleSmith
edit: Found
"Blueprint Copy offers in the LP store are now better differentiated from Original Blueprints."
Well...... Those look 100% like BPOs so I don't know what the devs are talking about.
Anyone care to clear this up? I don't mean another person talkin bout production limit.
-Ben
As you noticed, the offers look like BPOs currently, but are BPCs. And the patch notes say that they will make it so they will look like BPCs too after the patch. What is so unclear about it?
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2007.09.11 10:52:00 -
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So when a product isn't as described....
Doesn't that mean u can charge back your credit card?
How many man hours, USD, isk, ships and organisation was just wasted.
Copies are copies, no reason for it to have all the hallmarks of an original.
-Ben
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Jastra
Gallente
Core Domination
Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2007.09.11 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Dr BattleSmith
So when a product isn't as described....
Doesn't that mean u can charge back your credit card?
How many man hours, USD, isk, ships and organisation was just wasted.
Copies are copies, no reason for it to have all the hallmarks of an original.
-Ben
Probably not that many as it should be fairly clear that navy raven issue BPOs or other faction stuff are not in game, otherwise the store would be valueless (more?)
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CCP Greyscale
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Posted - 2007.09.11 11:01:00 -
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All LP Store module blueprints are 5-run BPCs. All LP Store ship blueprints are 1-run BPCs.
The reason they look like BPOs when you do "show info" on the offer is similar to the reason we can't make BPCs a different colour - they're both the same item. The exact product you're getting should be made clearer in 2.2.1
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.09.11 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: Dr BattleSmith
So when a product isn't as described....
Doesn't that mean u can charge back your credit card?
How many man hours, USD, isk, ships and organisation was just wasted.
Copies are copies, no reason for it to have all the hallmarks of an original.
-Ben
Product description (or lack/inaccuracy thereof) is no substitute for brain useage. Well, unless you live in the US and can sue McDonalds for coffee not being marked as hot...
There is no 'n' in turret
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Nataxya
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Posted - 2007.09.11 11:07:00 -
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i have a related question;
the first image posted..
is that actually a valid BP at all? i've never seen a BPO personally, just heard the typical stuff. y'know, angels fly down from heaven to circle you trumpeting in glory, the ancient kings bow at your feet, BoB declares 24hours of ceasefire, etc etc if you ever manage to find one.
but i was under the impression that a BPO still stated how many "licensed runs remaining" it had left? (that being unlimited, but still stated?), and then the production runs max as normal as well. or am i just some crazy noob off my rocker? XD
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Clorus
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Posted - 2007.09.11 11:42:00 -
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All of the blueprints you buy from the market are original, and some of them are dirt cheap.
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vr0p
Gallente
Hatori Mining Services
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Posted - 2007.09.11 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: "CCP Greyscale"
All LP Store module blueprints are 5-run BPCs. All LP Store ship blueprints are 1-run BPCs.
Huh? Last night when I was looking, a faction frigate bpc was 30 runs, faction cruiser was 15 runs...
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.09.11 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: vr0p
Originally by: "CCP Greyscale"
All LP Store module blueprints are 5-run BPCs. All LP Store ship blueprints are 1-run BPCs.
Huh? Last night when I was looking, a faction frigate bpc was 30 runs, faction cruiser was 15 runs...
Reading the whole thread > making yourself look stupid. What you are referring to is the production limit....
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2007.09.11 12:17:00 -
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Brain usage? I don't know how I could be stupid for interpreting
what is/was clearly a BPO as being a BPO.
For those that have never done any production that felt the need
to try and tell me that Production Limit = Licensed Production Runs,
thanx but no thanx. It's fun to be on forums, it makes you feel
apart of something. However please don't state stuff as fact when
you have no idea what you're talking about.
So for the record.
Production Limit:
This is how many you can do in one batch.
Not unlimited on originals.
Unrelated to BPO vrs BPC.
Licensed Production Runs Remaining:
This is the amount of runs a BPC has.
Only BPCs have this attribute.
The answer to the question was:
"This is a bug, it's being fixed in the next patch.
For some reason the BPCs in LP Store are displaying as BPOs"
-Ben
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.09.11 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Dr BattleSmith
Brain usage? I don't know how I could be stupid for interpreting
what is/was clearly a BPO as being a BPO.
Thing is, it was not clearly a BPO, since it did not say unlimited production runs, nor copy = no.
The info it gave was that it was a BP. And nothing else. No indication pointing to C, nor one pointing to O.
And that they were indeed BPCs has been common knowledge since before you were ever born. Having missed that is clearly your own fault.
There is no 'n' in turret
There is no 'r' in faction
There is no 'a' in Scorpion
There is no 'e' in Caldari
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2007.09.11 13:34:00 -
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Show me a BP that has Production Limit: Unlimited and Copy = No.
They don't exist.
A BPO is indicated by the lack of Copy = Yes and the lack of Licensed Production Runs Remaining.
Not by the inclusion of Copy = No and Production Limit Unlimited.
To say that BPOs have unlimited production per batch is crazy talk.
Thanx, but no thanx.
-Ben
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.09.11 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Dr BattleSmith
Show me a BP that has Production Limit: Unlimited and Copy = No.
They don't exist.
A BPO is indicated by the lack of Copy = Yes and the lack of Licensed Production Runs Remaining.
Not by the inclusion of Copy = No and Production Limit Unlimited.
To say that BPOs have unlimited production per batch is crazy talk.
Thanx, but no thanx.
-Ben
Oh I was thinking BPOs in my hangar. They DO show unlimited runs are least. The ones on the market have no indicators indeed. Suffice to say the lack of indicators does NOT mean they are BPOs. Just because that coffee mug does not state the contents are hot does not mean they can be anyway.
There is no 'n' in turret
There is no 'r' in faction
There is no 'a' in Scorpion
There is no 'e' in Caldari
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mortitia sith
The Adamite Inheritance
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Posted - 2007.09.11 18:17:00 -
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if you see the title of the bp you see a (1) in it .
so it s a 1 run .
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Nataxya
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Posted - 2007.09.11 18:46:00 -
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Battlesmith; it looks to me like you've merely found a way to mis-represent your case such that you feel if you whine loud enough you'll get something you don't deserve. you went thru the same amount of work as everyone else, and got the same reward that they did. and now you're whining like a spoiled brat because you want more.
honestly it looks the same as whining about buying a gun from the market, and then complaining that once it's mounted the range is different than listed after skills and bonuses are accounted for. and requires a similar level of ignorance too.
if you really had spend -months- working up to it, then i'd say you -chose- to remain deliberately ignorant of the facts. one week of play, one look thru the LP store, and mentioning it in chat was what it took for me to clue in that they were 1 run BPC's. oh, and a little common sense. if BPO's for the most sough after ships in the game were that easy to come by, that's all anyone would be flying. like someone said already, they'd be so mass prodced they'd be the same price as regular BS's. heck, possibly even cheaper, if you looked around patiently.
... in one sense, that would be kinda cool.. but in another, much bigger sense, it would be hugely broken.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Total Comfort
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Posted - 2007.09.11 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Greyscale
All LP Store module blueprints are 5-run BPCs. All LP Store ship blueprints are 1-run BPCs.
The reason they look like BPOs when you do "show info" on the offer is similar to the reason we can't make BPCs a different colour - they're both the same item. The exact product you're getting should be made clearer in 2.2.1
Fix it.
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CCP Greyscale
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Posted - 2007.09.11 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: CCP Greyscale
All LP Store module blueprints are 5-run BPCs. All LP Store ship blueprints are 1-run BPCs.
The reason they look like BPOs when you do "show info" on the offer is similar to the reason we can't make BPCs a different colour - they're both the same item. The exact product you're getting should be made clearer in 2.2.1
Fix it.
The patch which went out today should make it so that the store clearly states the run count of the BPC in the store listing.
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2007.09.11 22:34:00 -
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The bug was fixed in the patch last night.
Seems there is something stopping the coders from putting the actual blueprint in the Show Info,
and instead they've had to hack a (1 run copy) bit into the LP store descriptions. That's fine,
it works, can understand the database behind that and why it was an issue.
Thanx for clearing it up CCP.
Thanx also to those that posted yesterday for reminding me why I don't talk on forums where
the same people make 20 posts an hour pretending they know what they are talking about.
-Ben
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