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Vardemis
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.09.17 08:06:00 -
[211]
 Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr
I imagine the Myrm will get a middle ground, some Hvys, some Meds, because if it was just meds it'd do less damage than a Vexor with med guns as Myrm doesn't get a hybrid dmg bonus.
Wrong, it won't do less damage, since the Myrmidon has more turret hardpoints then a Vexor. They would do the same damage, with a huge difference in regards to tanking, medium slots, etc. |
Veng3ance
New Dawn Rising
The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.09.18 00:43:00 -
[212]
Please! Don't nerf the Eos. I don't think a straight DPS comparison is even close to fair for this ship. Every ship is supposed to fit a role, your arguing as if all the ships attack the same way!
For example.
Vulture = less DPS but can hit out to 200km!!!! You think it should do EOS damage out there? 
Damnation = INSANE amounts of armor and resists. While its not DPS heavy, it does fine with 4 pulse 3 missile setups and has the best tank in the game.
Claymore = While it doesn't fit a more specific role as the others the Claymore has a phenomenal tank, and I have never heard complaints about DPS from pilots.
Eos = Great DPS with blasters, but has no way to hit above 10km realistically, which is made up for the fact that it can use drones. IF anything, maybe remove a turret slot? It NEEDS its heavies. Keep in mind also it has the worse tank out of the command ships. (Short range + mediocre tank trades for damage)
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Murtough Galaktikus
Crusader Inc.
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Posted - 2007.09.18 15:34:00 -
[213]
Why not nerf Drones out of Eve anyway? Maybe i should petiton my droneskills to gunnery then - would be fair i guess; wasting money for months skilling the drones.
Instead, push the other Fleet CS and BC to equal it.
Well Done. A little bit more and i will quit. And yes i will sell my stuff 
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speedcat
Gallente
Human Liberty Syndicate
TALIONIS ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2007.09.26 23:52:00 -
[214]
Originally by: K al
looks like ccp just gave gallente a slap in the face
1st nos
2nd drones
what next?
Correct, that's what I see also... these two things combined (expect of the NOS-Domi nerfed which is okey but not a real solution to the problem) are the worst they could do for Gallente. I'm really looking forward what's gonna happen... :-(
Leave us our lovely EOS and first fix our drones before (if) you nerf them 
BTW: also nerf the damps and the whiners won the fight... other races should be the only one's with advantages over other's. 
speed
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Jaikar Isillia
Blue Labs
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.09.27 02:27:00 -
[215]
If they nerf drones they should nerf the nano tards as well.
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Cypherous
Minmatar
Liberty Rogues
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Posted - 2007.09.27 03:29:00 -
[216]
When can we expect this blog to arrive i'm very very curious as to where you intend to leave the drone boats i just spent time skilling for :/
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Venko Trenulo
Wakizashi Renaissance
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Posted - 2007.09.27 09:16:00 -
[217]
Originally by: speedcat
Originally by: K al
looks like ccp just gave gallente a slap in the face
1st nos
2nd drones
what next?
Correct, that's what I see also... these two things combined (expect of the NOS-Domi nerfed which is okey but not a real solution to the problem) are the worst they could do for Gallente. I'm really looking forward what's gonna happen... :-(
3rd may be drones again: I read somewhere that they're planning to stop fixing drone shields as soon as they're scooped. That would change everything about the way drones are used.
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Darth Felin
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Posted - 2007.09.27 10:17:00 -
[218]
Originally by: Venko Trenulo
Originally by: speedcat
Originally by: K al
looks like ccp just gave gallente a slap in the face
1st nos
2nd drones
what next?
Correct, that's what I see also... these two things combined (expect of the NOS-Domi nerfed which is okey but not a real solution to the problem) are the worst they could do for Gallente. I'm really looking forward what's gonna happen... :-(
3rd may be drones again: I read somewhere that they're planning to stop fixing drone shields as soon as they're scooped. That would change everything about the way drones are used.
Yes they will remove scoop/redeploy tactics once drone changes will go live. (IMHO it will be in Rev3)
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ZeroMbutCannotJump
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Posted - 2007.09.27 11:52:00 -
[219]
Originally by: Murtough Galaktikus
Why not nerf Drones out of Eve anyway? Maybe i should petiton my droneskills to gunnery then - would be fair i guess; wasting money for months skilling the drones.
Instead, push the other Fleet CS and BC to equal it.
Well Done. A little bit more and i will quit. And yes i will sell my stuff
What is WRONG WITH YOU? After 8 pages of people explaining the nature of this change, you STILL haven't read/understood anything except the posts of the people who obviously have as good comprehension as yourself.
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aquontium
Gallente
Fourth Circle
Total Comfort
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Posted - 2007.09.27 12:28:00 -
[220]
Originally by: jaxx speed
Duck, nerf bat...
Nerf bat, ...
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Daelin Blackleaf
No Joy Corp
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.27 12:28:00 -
[221]
People are gonna probably flame me for this but I'd like to see the Myrmidon, IShtar, and Eos reduced to using medium drones but with bonuses beyond the standard the bring them to par with other ships in their class.
The Myrmidon is currently a faster Dominix with less drone bay, and the Eos and Ishtar would be better gang ships if their drones were more suited to a variety of targets.
Of course the Eos and Ishtar would likely need a significant bonus to drone damage but this would finally eliminate BS size weaponry on ships designed for cruiser size weapons.
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The Snowman
Gallente
Four Rings
D-L
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Posted - 2007.09.27 14:26:00 -
[222]
Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf
I'd like to see the Myrmidon, IShtar, and Eos reduced to using medium drones
I see why you joined "No Joy Corp"
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Ares Lightfeather
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.09.27 14:35:00 -
[223]
If they put new kind of drones there, there might be some new drones with different bandwidth.
For example, they might introduce "mid-large" drones tuned to fit myrm and eos perfectly, which would solve the problem of making them work better than regular cruisers without making them as strong as BS-sized drones.
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Originally by: Victor Valka
Originally by: MotherMoon
well a drone UI is a bit of an artist job
Drone AI is obviously done by an artist too. One that is heavily into abstract |
papamikeforthewin
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.09.27 14:48:00 -
[224]
Originally by: Ares Lightfeather
If they put new kind of drones there, there might be some new drones with different bandwidth.
For example, they might introduce "mid-large" drones tuned to fit myrm and eos perfectly, which would solve the problem of making them work better than regular cruisers without making them as strong as BS-sized drones.
On that note, id like to see sm, med and lg warp disrupting drones. That would be nice.
As would sensor dampening drones- yikes!
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Daelin Blackleaf
No Joy Corp
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.27 16:26:00 -
[225]
Originally by: The Snowman
Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf
I'd like to see the Myrmidon, IShtar, and Eos reduced to using medium drones
I see why you joined "No Joy Corp"
Lookie you made a funny. 
Actually these ships with medium drones and higher damage bonus would probably apply a higher DPS on average than they do now, the only time they would do less damage is against battleships.
I did mention balancing the drone bonus to make them balanced with the other ships of their class, because, you know, they aren't right now.
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Mikael Mechka
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Posted - 2007.10.30 11:51:00 -
[226]
I don't see the need to add a new stat like "bandwidth" to the game to make it more complicated just for the drone users. Perhaps a better solution to the overpowered droneboats would be to either nerf the bonus from such ships a little (perhaps 7.5% to drone damage and hp for the myrm instead of 10%), or restrict drone size to ship size regarless of drone bay size, frigates and destroyers can only deploy light drones, cruisers and battlecruisers only being able to deploy drones up to the size of mediums, with battleships being able to deploy anything up to the size of heavies.
This will eliminate the medium drone swarm of the Ishkur and the heavy drone swarm of the Myrmidon while allowing such ships to transport larger drones in their bay if they wish purely for transport reasons, and keeping their dps in line with other ships of their size and tech.
Everyone will know the maximum size of the drones a ship can deploy simply by the class of the ship.
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Kayna Eelai
Gallente
GNATHIC
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Posted - 2007.10.30 11:54:00 -
[227]
my favorite ships didn't get any dronebay increase :(
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Geminiigun
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.11.06 16:08:00 -
[228]
I understand the reduction to Drone bandwidth
and of course i am not happy
i have 3 mil sp in drones and i treasure my myrmidon more than anything cause its one of the only ships i have been able to keep for a long time
but i mean reducing the amount that the myrmidon canuse is wrong
its an amazing ship and was very high in circulation in the market
now the price is reduced due to the new Revelations and people won't buy them
 it is gonna mess up everything
i agree that maybe ships should only be able to carry certain classes as to the type of ship
frigs and dest are small
cruisers and BC's are medium
and BS's and bigger are anything they like
but that seriously reduces certain ships effectiveness in pvp and makes it harder for characters to want to be in them that uses drones.
i personally am against the beandwidth thing but its ccp's perogative. i will find a way around it. or maybe there should be modules to increase a ships bandwidth in like high slots
that would make people feel more secure as the bandwidth reduction.
Yea its me!
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Xaen
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.11.06 16:19:00 -
[229]
Originally by: Paulo Damarr
I dont think its a nerf
Quote:
"With this, bandwidth determines the number of drones you can control, allowing the dronebay to be considerably increased on drone ships"
Except they didn't actually increase the size of the drone bay on any ship that I'm aware of. Pure nerf.
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Gabriel Magnar
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Posted - 2007.11.06 16:41:00 -
[230]
Originally by: Xaen
Originally by: Paulo Damarr
I dont think its a nerf
Quote:
"With this, bandwidth determines the number of drones you can control, allowing the dronebay to be considerably increased on drone ships"
Except they didn't actually increase the size of the drone bay on any ship that I'm aware of. Pure nerf.
Someone 'shop a picture of Jim Carrey's Liar Liar movie poster but with a CCP face on it instead.
Liars. 
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OneSock
Crown Industries
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Posted - 2007.11.06 16:58:00 -
[231]
Originally by: Venko Trenulo
Originally by: speedcat
Originally by: K al
looks like ccp just gave gallente a slap in the face
1st nos
2nd drones
what next?
Correct, that's what I see also... these two things combined (expect of the NOS-Domi nerfed which is okey but not a real solution to the problem) are the worst they could do for Gallente. I'm really looking forward what's gonna happen... :-(
3rd may be drones again: I read somewhere that they're planning to stop fixing drone shields as soon as they're scooped. That would change everything about the way drones are used.
Yes exactly, and this one is the real kicker because it means (even with careful cycling of the drones in bay) your going to be throwing away 1m+ isk per drone for T2 med or heavy.
You'd better be 100% sure of a win. Even if you do win the fight to loot cost may not cover the lost money in a couple flights of drones.
That just sucks. When I can shoot missile launchers and autocannons then CCP we can talk, until then, just hands off ok ?
I mean just give the Eos a bonus to remote armor rep range/duration/bonus or something.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2007.11.06 17:20:00 -
[232]
Originally by: Xaen
Originally by: Paulo Damarr
I dont think its a nerf
Quote:
"With this, bandwidth determines the number of drones you can control, allowing the dronebay to be considerably increased on drone ships"
Except they didn't actually increase the size of the drone bay on any ship that I'm aware of. Pure nerf.
One, the Vexor. It's still a nerf to drone users. Plain and simple.
They *could* have just as easily made it a buff, but they didn't.
Bellum Eternus
[Vid] L E G E N D A R Y
[Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I |
Xaen
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.11.06 20:51:00 -
[233]
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
One, the Vexor. It's still a nerf to drone users. Plain and simple.
Wonderful.
Glad I gave up drone-centric ships.
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Vindica
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Posted - 2007.11.21 13:49:00 -
[234]
So the facts are that they are adding bandwith for drones.
Thats all right? I can't find more info if there is can someone link it?
I shall be flying a carrier soon and I see all these threads about drones being nerfed yet no actual facts about it, does anyone actually have a solid source or are all these threads utter bs?
My speculation with the info I have now is:
Drone numbers are not limited to bay size, moreso the max. number of drones you have skills for, so if they add bandwith, what is that just another way of saying "you can only fly 5 drones"? that would be useless so I dont think so. Then it must be a limitation or increase in the number of drones a specific ship can command, so some might get more and some might get less, maybe carriers can choose to fly 15 fighters or 150 sentry drones from there on, and maybe smaller ships will be limited a bit.
All that speculation aside though I would like a source with actual correct information, or at least a non silly speculation (like the oh-so many threads that cry nerf while there is 0 reason whatsoever (as far as I can see) to think that)
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JawaOfJustice
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Posted - 2007.12.01 20:44:00 -
[235]
I just did the calculations, and the new nerfed Eos will have a significantly lower DPS with my skills even if i traned CS to V than the Ishtar. It's a command ship ffs, it isn't supposed to be inferior in every way to a HAC.
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Cleric JohnPreston
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Posted - 2007.12.01 21:01:00 -
[236]
I have to laugh at the posts in this thread by non drone users.. You can now send waves of drones.. In all the years ive been pvping ive never once had to resend a 2nd wave of drones.
Simply because the fight was over i was dead/they were dead and in a heated fight where its getting down to the wire, ive yet to actually see anyone target another persons drones to avoid dying.
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