Originally by: Liang Nuren

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Originally by: Drek Grapper

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Give sheild tankers a built-in Warp Jammer utility point so they can be more effective in solo PVP. Solo Maelstrom anyone?

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You'd be better off giving all shield tanks an extra mid slot.

It's not at all uncommon for armor tankers to have 7 low slots -- but shield tankers only have 6 mid slots to fit a tank AND PVP necessities (MWD, Warp Disruptor and Cap Booster at the very least).

Alot of this can be justified by saying that XLSB = 2 large reps. Then you can trade that off by saying that Cap Booster = 2 CPR's/Damage Mods worth of denting your armor tank, and the argument goes on and on.

In the end, one more mid slot on shield tanks is your solution.

Liang

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Originally by: Wayward Hooligan

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Edited by: Wayward Hooligan on 12/09/2007 21:12:00
Edited by: Wayward Hooligan on 12/09/2007 21:11:01
t2 Geddon:

+5% rof per lvl large energy turrets & -10% cap use per lvl large energy turrets // current bonus
+5% damage per lvl large energy turrets & +10% drone damage/hitpoints per lvl // t2 bs bonus

200m3 drone bay

8/4/8 slot layout

8 turret hardpoints

biggest capacitor of all BS(t1 or t2)
fastest cap recharge of all BS(t1 or t2)

Enough grid/cpu for something like the following assuming maxed fitting skills(Elec5, Eng 5, AWU 5):

High:
8xMegaPulse II

Mid:
1xBest Named 100mn MWD(Can't remember name)
1xHeavy Electrochemical Cap Booster
1xDomi Warp Disruptor
1xDomi Webifier

Low:
1xLAR II
1xInternal Force Field Array
2x1600mm RT
3xHeat Sink II
1xN-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane

Basically tons of grid but tight on cpu, similar to current geddon but with less grid problems.

Base resists equal to Zealot or Absolution.

Totally overpowered? Probably. Fun? Definately.

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Originally by: Wayward Hooligan

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Edited by: Wayward Hooligan on 12/09/2007 21:12:00
Edited by: Wayward Hooligan on 12/09/2007 21:11:01
t2 Geddon:

+5% rof per lvl large energy turrets & -10% cap use per lvl large energy turrets // current bonus
+5% damage per lvl large energy turrets & +10% drone damage/hitpoints per lvl // t2 bs bonus

200m3 drone bay

8/4/8 slot layout

8 turret hardpoints

biggest capacitor of all BS(t1 or t2)
fastest cap recharge of all BS(t1 or t2)

Enough grid/cpu for something like the following assuming maxed fitting skills(Elec5, Eng 5, AWU 5):

High:
8xMegaPulse II

Mid:
1xBest Named 100mn MWD(Can't remember name)
1xHeavy Electrochemical Cap Booster
1xDomi Warp Disruptor
1xDomi Webifier

Low:
1xLAR II
1xInternal Force Field Array
2x1600mm RT
3xHeat Sink II
1xN-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane

Basically tons of grid but tight on cpu, similar to current geddon but with less grid problems.

Base resists equal to Zealot or Absolution.

Totally overpowered? Probably. Fun? Definately.

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Originally by: Edwin Salvo

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Change I'd like - this applies to us newer players;

Take the Navitas, which is around 25k isk and has 20% bonus to mining laser yield & -60% mining laser capacitor use. Copy it to a new Frigate, but expand the cargo hold from 215 to 1000. Require frigate level 4 and maybe astro level 1. Leave everything else alone. Set the price at around 1 million isk.

Right now I am mining in an industrial which is slower than watching grass grow. I can either take my Navitas out with two cargo expanders and two miner II's and jet can every ~60 seconds and focus on just doing that, or I can head out in my industrial and just let 'er go for ever and ever while I read a book.

I am on my way to a better miner. I have mining barge trained up to fly a retriever, but getting that 5.4million isk is taking forever. With a ship as I'd mentioned, us solo n00bs could get from frigate to mining barge much quicker, imo. I suppose if I played more often, it'd be less of a problem. I have more skills than game time, thus the isk deficiency.

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Originally by: Deschenus Maximus

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What would it be?

Personnaly, I'd love to have the 10% cap reduction bonus on the Abaddon instead of the 5% armour bonus.

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Originally by: AntonioBanderas

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Edited by: AntonioBanderas on 12/09/2007 06:43:43
make phoon 5/5, switch his armor and shield hitpoints, and add some powergrid.
And boost poor little breacher.
And give bellicose missile bonus instead of turret one.

Minmatar are supposed to be versatile race, so add some ******* versatility!

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Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad

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Originally by: Dristra

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Originally by: Deschenus Maximus

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What would it be?

Personnaly, I'd love to have the 10% cap reduction bonus on the Abaddon instead of the 5% armour bonus.

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that is not good, you are one of those that accept amarr in its current kne-jerk nerf state, rise up and desire more, not less!

the cap reduction "bonus" should be buildt inn, and the cap use bonus replaced with a real bonus on all ships.

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Some of us are happy with the Amarr on the whole currently. =|

And doesn't our horrific 10% cap usage bonus theoretically balance out our blaster-like DPS at impressive ranges? The last thing we want is CCP "fixing" it by adding a 5% a level damage bonus and cutting the damage of lasers in half so the damage/cap ratio remains the same before bonuses.

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Originally by: Dristra

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... and yes currently lasers are usable weapons, note that i say usable, as in the do the job, but leave something to be desired WHEN I HAVE WASTED A SHIP BONUS TO BE ABLE TO USE THEM, note that part, we waste a bonus to be able to use a weapon that is balanced with the other weapon systems.

Blaster-like dps? we have less dps than blasters, yet blaster boats get TWO, note TWO ship bonuses that benefit them in combat, not: "be able to use lasers" and "make lasers better"
...

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Originally by: James Lyrus

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Turret efficiency indicator - a 0-100% bar, that shows how much of that theoretical DPS a turret is doing, based on the current transverse and falloff of the target.

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Originally by: Laboratus

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Edited by: Laboratus on 13/09/2007 09:42:30

Originally by: Dristra

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... and yes currently lasers are usable weapons, note that i say usable, as in the do the job, but leave something to be desired WHEN I HAVE WASTED A SHIP BONUS TO BE ABLE TO USE THEM, note that part, we waste a bonus to be able to use a weapon that is balanced with the other weapon systems.

Blaster-like dps? we have less dps than blasters, yet blaster boats get TWO, note TWO ship bonuses that benefit them in combat, not: "be able to use lasers" and "make lasers better"
...

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I used to agree with what you said, but after I have seen one of my corp mates melt pretty much anything with his geddon, I just no longer don't.

Lasers have a built in bonus and penalty. They do more base damage than any other weapon system and as a result they have double cap use. The cap bonus is to remove that penalty.

To illustrate the damage outputs on these ships I made a graph using gank setups, with 3 damage mods, faction ammo, and drones appropriate for engagemant range (Ogre IIs for the blastertron bouncers for others (for some reason excel just won't save those graphs as I'd like to. Oh well.). The picture is a bit borked, it dropped everything that is in second line, so the ranges are 10 times more than it shows.) against a battleship sized target moving at 150m/s transvectral.
Effectively, the geddon can sit out at 40km and do effective 900+ dps. The mega on the other hand has to be in 15km to do compareble dps and is a lot more vulnerable there...

Edit: typing, clarifications and notes on picture being borked.

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Originally by: AntonioBanderas

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Edited by: AntonioBanderas on 12/09/2007 06:43:43
make phoon 5/5, switch his armor and shield hitpoints, and add some powergrid.
And boost poor little breacher.
And give bellicose missile bonus instead of turret one.

Minmatar are supposed to be versatile race, so add some ******* versatility!

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Originally by: Liang Nuren

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I'd have 0.0 rats provide aggro timers, and make it possible to scan down cloaked ships that weren't recons.

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Originally by: Dristra

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... do a torax vs maller graph too, then see where the laser ends up...

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