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Templer Relleg Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.14 14:22:00 - [1] Anybody in here, who happen to be one? My theory is that alot in here actually of the people in here, indeed are. But is this right? Sadly my doctor suggested that this might be the case that im indeed one of these people. Anybody else in the same boat?
Thanos Draicon	Posted - 2007.09.14 14:38:00 - [2] My friend has that actually.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.09.14 14:55:00 - [3] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 14/09/2007 14:57:20 Asperger's in my experience tends to be applied rather liberally as a label these days; its basically applied to anyone who isn't actually autistic, but is too smart to be fit into the usual "societal norms" of being a blathering idiot, and so the person is declared to have "Asperger's" because they're not perfectly ordinary. Since EVE has a more intelligent userbase than many games (mostly due to the learning curve), its not a surprise that we'd have more people declared "too smart" by the doctors desperately trying to find a label for people who can't be pigeonholed. OK, so I'm cynical. 23 Member EVE Video makers: save bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder! (updated)
Templer Relleg Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.14 14:58:00 - [4] Originally by: Dark Shikari Asperger's in my experience tends to be applied rather liberally as a label these days; its basically applied to anyone who isn't actually autistic, but is too smart to be fit into the usual "societal norms" of being a blathering idiot, and so the person is declared to have "Asperger's" because they're not perfectly ordinary. Im wondering what your experience exactly is. One of the major symtoms about aspergers is that the speech of the person is often delayed for a long time during childhood and motor function problems. Not to forget the extreme sensory that some people have. Aswell as sociaphobia.
Warp away ITS A CIRCUS	Posted - 2007.09.14 15:06:00 - [5] Aspargus
Templer Relleg Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.14 15:07:00 - [6] Originally by: Dark Shikari the usual "societal norms" of being a blathering idiot Originally by: Warp away Aspargus Irony eh?
Kazuma Saruwatari	Posted - 2007.09.14 15:29:00 - [7] Edited by: Kazuma Saruwatari on 14/09/2007 15:29:19 Intelligence is a requirement to avoid extinction. EOF. Darwin Award anyone? Didnt think so... - Odd Pod Out, a blog of EVE Online
Snugglebunny Fluffkins	Posted - 2007.09.14 16:08:00 - [8] Edited by: Snugglebunny Fluffkins on 14/09/2007 16:08:13 Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 14/09/2007 14:57:20 Asperger's in my experience tends to be applied rather liberally as a label these days; Thats not quite my experience. I had a friend I grew up with who truly did have Asperger's, and back then it was pretty much unheard of. But nowadays now I spend a lot of time online at places like DeviantArt etc, its amazing how many 'self diagnosed' people I meet. They seem to assume that because they might not behave quite how others do then OMFG they have Assburgers! (Yes, I have heard it called that by people claiming to be sufferers). They then proceed to use it as an excuse to be whiny little *****s who ** people off and say "But I can't help it! I have Aspergers!!". I find the whole thing pretty disgusting myself. Since when has a mental condition been a status symbol.
Caid Lemant	Posted - 2007.09.14 16:14:00 - [9] Edited by: Caid Lemant on 14/09/2007 16:15:27 I was diagnosed with it at nine and don't often think much on it. There's a lot to it and I could go on and on about my experiences. I'll try and go into it somewhat to open up the topic a little. It's an odd topic for me, it's just not something I can feel secure enough to wave around as reason because of how fickle the diagnosis has become. When looking at the effects, it's most noticeable when comparing how I communicate through written language with spoken and when looking at how much concentration social interaction takes for me (though it seems normal now). Some people can't believe I'm the same person when the talk to me online because of how quiet I can be in person. I'll go to great lengths to explain something online which isn't seen of me orally. I have some pretty regular physical ticks but they were easily channeled when I started percussion at 12, they're still here but they look and sound better. The largest personal flaw I can attribute to it is keeping long term social relationships, not that I end them... I can just fall off the earth for some people. I'm great at keeping one, maybe two friends in a normal relationship, but more than that and the pressure builds insurmountable. It's the hardest thing to deal with because I avoid at all cost to make an explanation of it. The internet helps keep people in steady communication, but I'm often much to distant to most people who treat me as a friend. I had a pretty normal childhood except that I was in advanced classes until high school and had quite a bit of one on one time with my teachers (which before my diagnosis was likely a godsend). I didn't really notice any major social issues until I entered high school, but it was never too much to handle. I was quite lucky because of the atmosphere I was always in, my high school was relatively small. There are factors that may point to something other than but similar to Asperger, I was speech deficient until 8. This wasn't mental but physical (my tongue was much too large for my mouth and still is thankfully) and mainly had to do with pronunciation and incorrect vowel use. My older brother became my personal interpreter until I was 6 when I really only sounded funny but could be understood. Reading however was never an issue for me and came early. I was actually reading a few years ahead of my class before my speech therapy was completed. Now this might have been a catalyst to create the Asperger's symptoms or at least something similar to it. I've never been confident with oral communication no matter how proficient I've become, I've taken many communication classes without issue and was quite involved with the drama program while in school. I work for someone who's practically an older sibling (lived with my family for sometime while in school) which is probably also quite helpful. When I do communicate I can be pretty upfront if I'm not focused on it and can easily come across as arrogant or sarcastic. My sense of humor can sometimes be hard to pick up on just because I often forget to modify my speech enough for it to come through. Being as cynical as I am doesn't help with that either. I sometimes can be caught in quite the struggle to put words together, or a near inability to read people's physical emotions, I can run into brick walls when talking and be nearly unable to recuperate without assistance. They've become quite rare though thankfully. I've never really ran into something I couldn't deal with. I've had depression off and on since puberty and it can be quite crippling mixed with my social woes, but nearly all my family lives relatively close, and I have a huge extended family to boot. I get a lot of help and have never felt alone even if mentally I should have. I write and read a lot which really helps me, I find my own personal experience quite interesting. I'm also stubborn as hell when it comes to my personal sense of logic, which I actually like because it seems perfectly logical. -------- There is not enough love and goodness in the world for us to be permitted to give any of it away to imaginary things. Friedrich Nietzsche
Khadur Minmatar Spontaneous Defenestration The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.09.14 16:43:00 - [10] I was diagnosis at age 10 DAMP = Deficits in Attention, Motor Control and Perception is a descriptive diagnosis which is commonly used in Scandinavian countries. It was introduced by the Swedish professor Gillberg in the 80's.
Templer Relleg Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.14 16:50:00 - [11] Originally by: Khadur I was diagnosis at age 10 DAMP = Deficits in Attention, Motor Control and Perception is a descriptive diagnosis which is commonly used in Scandinavian countries. It was introduced by the Swedish professor Gillberg in the 80's. Yes, alot of kids are these days in Denmark diagnosed with DAMP. But afaik theres not a clear link between aspergers and DAMP. While it does have some things is common, its not the same thing, right?!
Or'Chan Minmatar	Posted - 2007.09.14 17:01:00 - [12] I'm similar to Lemant; I was also an early reader, and have always had to work a little at interacting. Is it Aspergers? I don't know. Is it a problem? Not really.
Khadur Minmatar Spontaneous Defenestration The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.09.14 17:02:00 - [13] Originally by: Templer Relleg Originally by: Khadur I was diagnosis at age 10 DAMP = Deficits in Attention, Motor Control and Perception is a descriptive diagnosis which is commonly used in Scandinavian countries. It was introduced by the Swedish professor Gillberg in the 80's. Yes, alot of kids are these days in Denmark diagnosed with DAMP. But afaik theres not a clear link between aspergers and DAMP. While it does have some things is common, its not the same thing, right?! Trust me, i've been locked away for 3 years with people with damp, aspergers, and adhd. They are all the same when you sit in the same room with a calm environment. Sad thing was back then they didn't know much about these disease's so we were like a criminal or even a psychopath. And spelling ftl.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.09.14 17:11:00 - [14] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 14/09/2007 17:12:33 Originally by: Templer Relleg Originally by: Dark Shikari Asperger's in my experience tends to be applied rather liberally as a label these days; its basically applied to anyone who isn't actually autistic, but is too smart to be fit into the usual "societal norms" of being a blathering idiot, and so the person is declared to have "Asperger's" because they're not perfectly ordinary. Im wondering what your experience exactly is. One of the major symtoms about aspergers is that the speech of the person is often delayed for a long time during childhood and motor function problems. Not to forget the extreme sensory that some people have. Aswell as sociaphobia. I've never ever seen it used to mean that in the US, at all. I've never even heard of someone with Asperger's having motor function problems, ever. Speech delayed during childhood seems completely unrelated--I myself didn't even speak until I was just over 3! Basically every time I've seen it used, it means "very intelligent, but not perfectly normal, so I think they're slightly autistic, but I'm afraid to actually say they're autistic, since I know I'm wrong, so instead I'll say they have Asperger's." If there's another meaning/correct meaning, perhaps that's not the one that's used over here in the states. 23 Member EVE Video makers: save bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder! (updated)
Caid Lemant	Posted - 2007.09.14 17:16:00 - [15] Edited by: Caid Lemant on 14/09/2007 17:16:43 Quote: I've never even heard of someone with Asperger's having motor function problems, ever. There's no delay in development of language or cognitive abilities, but motor function 'clumsiness' and other problems can exist in some fashion which can make their methods of speech seem different. -------- There is not enough love and goodness in the world for us to be permitted to give any of it away to imaginary things. Friedrich Nietzsche
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.14 19:40:00 - [16] Edited by: Patch86 on 14/09/2007 19:40:28 Originally by: Dark Shikari Basically every time I've seen it used, it means "very intelligent, but not perfectly normal, so I think they're slightly autistic, but I'm afraid to actually say they're autistic, since I know I'm wrong, so instead I'll say they have Asperger's." Aspergers is a disorder. This means that its not like "you have it" or "you don't have it", like the flu or a broken leg, it's means its a description of a set of traits. I know a guy who has Aspergers, and he definitely has something. It's like he has symptoms of Autism, but not bad enough for it to actually be Autism. But there is no doubt that he isn't just a normal person who is smart and has been classified as something. Thats just plain incorrect. Thats not to say that there aren't plenty of misdiagnosis in some places, like there are with ADHD these days. In some places it seems like every single person who misbehaves is suddenly a sufferer of ADHD and not, as the case may be, just a git. EDIT: Mental typo. ------ Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts!
Templer Relleg Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.14 20:29:00 - [17] Originally by: Caid Lemant Edited by: Caid Lemant on 14/09/2007 17:22:22 Edited by: Caid Lemant on 14/09/2007 17:16:43 Quote: I've never even heard of someone with Asperger's having motor function problems, ever. There's no delay in development of language or cognitive abilities, but motor function 'clumsiness' and other problems can exist in some fashion which can make their methods of speech seem different. Also autistic is pretty much correct, it's just functional autism without the delays in language or any other cognitive abilities. Remember that its a spectrum. As patch said, its not either you have it or not. Its made up of many parts.
Caid Lemant	Posted - 2007.09.14 20:40:00 - [18] Originally by: Templer Relleg Originally by: Caid Lemant Edited by: Caid Lemant on 14/09/2007 17:22:22 Edited by: Caid Lemant on 14/09/2007 17:16:43 Quote: I've never even heard of someone with Asperger's having motor function problems, ever. There's no delay in development of language or cognitive abilities, but motor function 'clumsiness' and other problems can exist in some fashion which can make their methods of speech seem different. Also autistic is pretty much correct, it's just functional autism without the delays in language or any other cognitive abilities. Remember that its a spectrum. As patch said, its not either you have it or not. Its made up of many parts. You think I don't understand that? Autism itself is just a spectrum and Asperger's is part of it. -------- There is not enough love and goodness in the world for us to be permitted to give any of it away to imaginary things. Friedrich Nietzsche
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.09.14 20:54:00 - [19] Originally by: Caid Lemant Huge paragraphs Holy Crap man, you just described my life to a T. Except for the school part, I was never very good in school. But I'm also super quiet in real life which has given me the ability to dissapear completely right in the middle of a party. I only have a handle of friends too and very rarely talk them. A few of them I haven't seen for well over a year now since I did one of my dissapearing acts too. I never really had friends in Jr. High and High school though so I spent my life in those years locked in my bedroom. My parents had to force me to talk when I was 5. According to them I would point at food at the table and grunt. They wouldn't give it to me unless I said what it was. Even today I stutter like crazy especially in high stress situations (job interviews kill me) and for the life of me I absolutely cannot pronounce R's. The main differences that I see is, like I said, I didn't do so well in school, although if you show me how something is done (hands on) I can pick up like nothing. And I had some temper issues while in school. I've gotten much better as I'm not trying to strangle people. I don't really consider myself smart per say but I am a quick problem solver and can be crafty (I tend to think way outside the box sometimes). If I had the ability to stay focus for longer periods of time I would consider going back to school. ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
Tauscha Vald'or	Posted - 2007.09.14 23:14:00 - [20] Originally by: Dark Shikari Since EVE has a more intelligent userbase than many games (mostly due to the learning curve), its not a surprise that we'd have more people declared "too smart" by the doctors desperately trying to find a label for people who can't be pigeonholed. I keep seeing people make this assumption, but Jim McGregor and the New Jenny Spitfire lead the rebuttal.
GPerson Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.09.15 00:38:00 - [21] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: Caid Lemant Huge paragraphs Smaller paragraphs. Going to an online forum and hearing someone describe your life is freaky isn't it? Speaking of which, I'm a fusion between you two. ~~~Sig Stuffs Here~~~ I highly recommend drunken posting. This sig has been unhighjacked since 2005.
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.09.15 00:49:00 - [22] Originally by: Caid Lemant snipped for length Hell, this could almost describe me. Though there are a few differences. But no one ever considered such a diagnosis for me; though I'm over 30, so it wasn't a popular sort of thing giving people different diagnoses back then. Maybe I've got it, maybe I don't. At this point would it really make a difference in my life? I used to get It. Then It changed. Now I don't even know what It is.
Jatonix Target Practice Inc. Pure.	Posted - 2007.09.15 01:08:00 - [23] I'm not one of them, but I know several people with AS. The ones I knew were utterly obsessed with World of Warcraft. AS patients have no empathy, so cannot really tell if their audience gives a crap about what they were saying. This being said, my friend would start talking to random people about extreme details from his WoW session he had last. Most of the time, his audience, who didn't even know what wow was, stood there and tried to listen and be polite. AS guys just can't tell when nobody cares about what they're saying. Women see them as nerds, dorks, or socially-********. This is obviously shallow, but there you have it. Other "regular" guys just avoid them and find them annoying. Thats my experiences with AS
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.09.15 01:16:00 - [24] Originally by: F'nog Originally by: Caid Lemant snipped for length Hell, this could almost describe me. This is my point; Asperger's describes a set of symptoms that are not a disorder: they can describe almost anyone who is relatively intelligent. 23 Member EVE Video makers: save bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder! (updated)
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.09.15 02:32:00 - [25] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 15/09/2007 01:18:59 Originally by: F'nog Originally by: Caid Lemant snipped for length Hell, this could almost describe me. This is my point; Asperger's describes a set of symptoms that are not a disorder: they can describe almost anyone who is relatively intelligent. Having "no empathy" is a sign of being socially inept, its not a mental disorder. (The fact that nearly everyone smart I know when I was younger had been "diagnosed with Asperger's" even though none of them were remotely autistic does somewhat bias my thoughts though. To me it seems like yet another excuse to stuff kids full of Ritalin.) Which is what I was getting at, basically. I could be, but I could not. At this point in my life, does it really matter why I behave the way I do? If I'm fine with it, is it a problem? And more importantly, should I, or anyone else who is different care so long as it doesn't severely affect our lives? I'm not saying that potentially many people have a real problem with Asperger's, or many other syndromes/conditions, but do we have to declare that we are "whatever" in order to live our lives if it does not adversely affect us? If being diagnosed with a problem and receiving treatment for it can benefit you, then great, do it. If it doesn't really change anything, just be yourself. Who cares if you're different than the "norm". As long as you're happy and functional, and the people you care about are happy and functional, then is it really a problem, or something you should label yourself? Wow, I had more to say than I thought. I used to get It. Then It changed. Now I don't even know what It is.
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.09.15 02:52:00 - [26] Originally by: Dark Shikari Having "no empathy" is a sign of being socially inept, its not a mental disorder. Socially inept is my middle name. I'm one of those people who never smiles and people always think I'm ****ed off or moody or depressed because I dont look like the joker 24/7. And I'm always being told that I've got to try to be more social but everytime I go out I just bunch up. Usually I pick the window seat at the diner or find some nice corner, some place where I'm not noticed. One on one conversations I'm fine with but when groups form I turn into chameleon man and blend into the nearest surrounding. Although if an animal is around I'll turn into it's best friend while others carry on with their business. Now this next part may be due to an anxiety disorder or something but other than work, I don't like being away from my house for more than a couple hours. If I go shopping I get into the store and get my items and get right back out again. One the rare occasion I hang with my friends I'm not out for more than a couple hours. ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.09.15 02:54:00 - [27] Originally by: Tauscha Vald'or Originally by: Dark Shikari Since EVE has a more intelligent userbase than many games (mostly due to the learning curve), its not a surprise that we'd have more people declared "too smart" by the doctors desperately trying to find a label for people who can't be pigeonholed. I keep seeing people make this assumption, but Jim McGregor and the New Jenny Spitfire lead the rebuttal. Jimmy Boy, he's smart, just crazy. Jenny Mk2... well, got me there.
Great Artista Caldari Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.09.15 03:15:00 - [28] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: Dark Shikari Having "no empathy" is a sign of being socially inept, its not a mental disorder. Socially inept is my middle name. I'm one of those people who never smiles and people always think I'm ****ed off or moody or depressed because I dont look like the joker 24/7. Yeah I'm the same, I wonder where they get that idea... Plus I rarely ever go out, I mainly leave house for studies, or jogging. And I really really love those weekends when nobody is home, I can be all alone for 2 days or more... This xmas, my whole family is going to a holiday to canary islands, so I can spend it by myself, its going to be the best christmas I'v ever had. People think I'm wierd because I dont get wasted every weekend, or hang outside to the late hours of the night. They can just wonder what I think about them... _______ ◕◡◕ Space perverts and forum warriors united. [PERVS] My opinions rather rarely represent my corp, not to mention my alliance hihihi...
Caid Lemant	Posted - 2007.09.15 06:36:00 - [29] Edited by: Caid Lemant on 15/09/2007 06:42:55 Originally by: Dark Shikari This is my point; Asperger's describes a set of symptoms that are not a disorder: they can describe almost anyone who is relatively intelligent. Having "no empathy" is a sign of being socially inept, its not a mental disorder. (The fact that nearly everyone smart I know when I was younger had been "diagnosed with Asperger's" even though none of them were remotely autistic does somewhat bias my thoughts though. To me it seems like yet another excuse to stuff kids full of Ritalin.) Many of Asperger's symptoms are not a disorder when mixed, but a whole of them together are. For the majority of people who say they have it, you're likely right. Even for a number of those diagnosed with it. The points you bring up are a great reason why I never use it as an excuse, it's not my sympathy card I wave around because the topic along with autism as a whole is still not totally understood. It's one of many forms of functioning autism and one of the easiest to deal with from what we know. I made my post as general as possible to explain that it can be dealt with, but I was not normal as a child in any way and as well as I've been able to deal with things - the majority of it is still with me even though it's controlled. Before I entered speech therapy my parents were prepared that I would not respond and had a serious form of autism because of other prevalent symptoms, for a large portion of my young life I had a nearly complete lack of empathy among other things. Like I said, what I dealt with could be many different things... at that age being speech deficient in any form has an adverse effect on mental growth. I'm not living a totally normal life, there are countless jobs I could never hold because of it, my continuation of education has to be taken quite slowly and pretty much requires for me to meet with specialized councilor daily or I couldn't deal with many factors that it brings up. Also anyone diagnosed with Asperger's and then stuffed full of Ritalin either didn't have it in any form, or had quite the horrible doctor. It's pretty much in the opposite spectrum of treatment methods and will likely do only harm. There are some forms of autism that they have been used with to try to induce certain mental developments, but they're in a spectrum far away from Asperger's. Finally, I'm interested for you to explain how an inability to show empathy can't be a mental disorder. It certainly isn't always a disorder, but it's not always just being socially inept. There are mental functions for people that should be taking place which aren't. I mean are people with serious forms of autism not trying hard enough? One could make a strong argument that what I show may not be true empathy, I was conditioned to show it and it's little more than just an act to look normal which I sometimes can't provide. There's a lot of truth in what you have to say, but it doesn't mean that there aren't people out there who are dealing with something real that has only been described as Asperger's. -------- There is not enough love and goodness in the world for us to be permitted to give any of it away to imaginary things. Friedrich Nietzsche
Templer Relleg Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.15 08:32:00 - [30] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 15/09/2007 01:18:59 Originally by: F'nog Originally by: Caid Lemant snipped for length Hell, this could almost describe me. This is my point; Asperger's describes a set of symptoms that are not a disorder: they can describe almost anyone who is relatively intelligent. Having "no empathy" is a sign of being socially inept, its not a mental disorder. (The fact that nearly everyone smart I know when I was younger had been "diagnosed with Asperger's" even though none of them were remotely autistic does somewhat bias my thoughts though. To me it seems like yet another excuse to stuff kids full of Ritalin.) So everybody was diagnosed with asperger, eh? Listen to some of the interviews with Tony Attwood. Asperger isnt just small things like trouble with being social, or being clever. Theres much more things to it, which will be VERY different from a normal person. Not to forget the fact that aspergers often get depressions and OCD.

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