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Templer Relleg Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.14 14:22:00 - [1] Anybody in here, who happen to be one? My theory is that alot in here actually of the people in here, indeed are. But is this right? Sadly my doctor suggested that this might be the case that im indeed one of these people. Anybody else in the same boat?
Thanos Draicon	Posted - 2007.09.14 14:38:00 - [2] My friend has that actually.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.09.14 14:55:00 - [3] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 14/09/2007 14:57:20 Asperger's in my experience tends to be applied rather liberally as a label these days; its basically applied to anyone who isn't actually autistic, but is too smart to be fit into the usual "societal norms" of being a blathering idiot, and so the person is declared to have "Asperger's" because they're not perfectly ordinary. Since EVE has a more intelligent userbase than many games (mostly due to the learning curve), its not a surprise that we'd have more people declared "too smart" by the doctors desperately trying to find a label for people who can't be pigeonholed. OK, so I'm cynical. 23 Member EVE Video makers: save bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder! (updated)
Templer Relleg Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.14 14:58:00 - [4] Originally by: Dark Shikari Asperger's in my experience tends to be applied rather liberally as a label these days; its basically applied to anyone who isn't actually autistic, but is too smart to be fit into the usual "societal norms" of being a blathering idiot, and so the person is declared to have "Asperger's" because they're not perfectly ordinary. Im wondering what your experience exactly is. One of the major symtoms about aspergers is that the speech of the person is often delayed for a long time during childhood and motor function problems. Not to forget the extreme sensory that some people have. Aswell as sociaphobia.
Warp away ITS A CIRCUS	Posted - 2007.09.14 15:06:00 - [5] Aspargus
Templer Relleg Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.14 15:07:00 - [6] Originally by: Dark Shikari the usual "societal norms" of being a blathering idiot Originally by: Warp away Aspargus Irony eh?
Kazuma Saruwatari	Posted - 2007.09.14 15:29:00 - [7] Edited by: Kazuma Saruwatari on 14/09/2007 15:29:19 Intelligence is a requirement to avoid extinction. EOF. Darwin Award anyone? Didnt think so... - Odd Pod Out, a blog of EVE Online
Snugglebunny Fluffkins	Posted - 2007.09.14 16:08:00 - [8] Edited by: Snugglebunny Fluffkins on 14/09/2007 16:08:13 Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 14/09/2007 14:57:20 Asperger's in my experience tends to be applied rather liberally as a label these days; Thats not quite my experience. I had a friend I grew up with who truly did have Asperger's, and back then it was pretty much unheard of. But nowadays now I spend a lot of time online at places like DeviantArt etc, its amazing how many 'self diagnosed' people I meet. They seem to assume that because they might not behave quite how others do then OMFG they have Assburgers! (Yes, I have heard it called that by people claiming to be sufferers). They then proceed to use it as an excuse to be whiny little *****s who ** people off and say "But I can't help it! I have Aspergers!!". I find the whole thing pretty disgusting myself. Since when has a mental condition been a status symbol.
Caid Lemant	Posted - 2007.09.14 16:14:00 - [9] Edited by: Caid Lemant on 14/09/2007 16:15:27 I was diagnosed with it at nine and don't often think much on it. There's a lot to it and I could go on and on about my experiences. I'll try and go into it somewhat to open up the topic a little. It's an odd topic for me, it's just not something I can feel secure enough to wave around as reason because of how fickle the diagnosis has become. When looking at the effects, it's most noticeable when comparing how I communicate through written language with spoken and when looking at how much concentration social interaction takes for me (though it seems normal now). Some people can't believe I'm the same person when the talk to me online because of how quiet I can be in person. I'll go to great lengths to explain something online which isn't seen of me orally. I have some pretty regular physical ticks but they were easily channeled when I started percussion at 12, they're still here but they look and sound better. The largest personal flaw I can attribute to it is keeping long term social relationships, not that I end them... I can just fall off the earth for some people. I'm great at keeping one, maybe two friends in a normal relationship, but more than that and the pressure builds insurmountable. It's the hardest thing to deal with because I avoid at all cost to make an explanation of it. The internet helps keep people in steady communication, but I'm often much to distant to most people who treat me as a friend. I had a pretty normal childhood except that I was in advanced classes until high school and had quite a bit of one on one time with my teachers (which before my diagnosis was likely a godsend). I didn't really notice any major social issues until I entered high school, but it was never too much to handle. I was quite lucky because of the atmosphere I was always in, my high school was relatively small. There are factors that may point to something other than but similar to Asperger, I was speech deficient until 8. This wasn't mental but physical (my tongue was much too large for my mouth and still is thankfully) and mainly had to do with pronunciation and incorrect vowel use. My older brother became my personal interpreter until I was 6 when I really only sounded funny but could be understood. Reading however was never an issue for me and came early. I was actually reading a few years ahead of my class before my speech therapy was completed. Now this might have been a catalyst to create the Asperger's symptoms or at least something similar to it. I've never been confident with oral communication no matter how proficient I've become, I've taken many communication classes without issue and was quite involved with the drama program while in school. I work for someone who's practically an older sibling (lived with my family for sometime while in school) which is probably also quite helpful. When I do communicate I can be pretty upfront if I'm not focused on it and can easily come across as arrogant or sarcastic. My sense of humor can sometimes be hard to pick up on just because I often forget to modify my speech enough for it to come through. Being as cynical as I am doesn't help with that either. I sometimes can be caught in quite the struggle to put words together, or a near inability to read people's physical emotions, I can run into brick walls when talking and be nearly unable to recuperate without assistance. They've become quite rare though thankfully. I've never really ran into something I couldn't deal with. I've had depression off and on since puberty and it can be quite crippling mixed with my social woes, but nearly all my family lives relatively close, and I have a huge extended family to boot. I get a lot of help and have never felt alone even if mentally I should have. I write and read a lot which really helps me, I find my own personal experience quite interesting. I'm also stubborn as hell when it comes to my personal sense of logic, which I actually like because it seems perfectly logical. -------- There is not enough love and goodness in the world for us to be permitted to give any of it away to imaginary things. Friedrich Nietzsche
Khadur Minmatar Spontaneous Defenestration The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.09.14 16:43:00 - [10] I was diagnosis at age 10 DAMP = Deficits in Attention, Motor Control and Perception is a descriptive diagnosis which is commonly used in Scandinavian countries. It was introduced by the Swedish professor Gillberg in the 80's.
Templer Relleg Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.14 16:50:00 - [11] Originally by: Khadur I was diagnosis at age 10 DAMP = Deficits in Attention, Motor Control and Perception is a descriptive diagnosis which is commonly used in Scandinavian countries. It was introduced by the Swedish professor Gillberg in the 80's. Yes, alot of kids are these days in Denmark diagnosed with DAMP. But afaik theres not a clear link between aspergers and DAMP. While it does have some things is common, its not the same thing, right?!
Or'Chan Minmatar	Posted - 2007.09.14 17:01:00 - [12] I'm similar to Lemant; I was also an early reader, and have always had to work a little at interacting. Is it Aspergers? I don't know. Is it a problem? Not really.
Khadur Minmatar Spontaneous Defenestration The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.09.14 17:02:00 - [13] Originally by: Templer Relleg Originally by: Khadur I was diagnosis at age 10 DAMP = Deficits in Attention, Motor Control and Perception is a descriptive diagnosis which is commonly used in Scandinavian countries. It was introduced by the Swedish professor Gillberg in the 80's. Yes, alot of kids are these days in Denmark diagnosed with DAMP. But afaik theres not a clear link between aspergers and DAMP. While it does have some things is common, its not the same thing, right?! Trust me, i've been locked away for 3 years with people with damp, aspergers, and adhd. They are all the same when you sit in the same room with a calm environment. Sad thing was back then they didn't know much about these disease's so we were like a criminal or even a psychopath. And spelling ftl.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.09.14 17:11:00 - [14] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 14/09/2007 17:12:33 Originally by: Templer Relleg Originally by: Dark Shikari Asperger's in my experience tends to be applied rather liberally as a label these days; its basically applied to anyone who isn't actually autistic, but is too smart to be fit into the usual "societal norms" of being a blathering idiot, and so the person is declared to have "Asperger's" because they're not perfectly ordinary. Im wondering what your experience exactly is. One of the major symtoms about aspergers is that the speech of the person is often delayed for a long time during childhood and motor function problems. Not to forget the extreme sensory that some people have. Aswell as sociaphobia. I've never ever seen it used to mean that in the US, at all. I've never even heard of someone with Asperger's having motor function problems, ever. Speech delayed during childhood seems completely unrelated--I myself didn't even speak until I was just over 3! Basically every time I've seen it used, it means "very intelligent, but not perfectly normal, so I think they're slightly autistic, but I'm afraid to actually say they're autistic, since I know I'm wrong, so instead I'll say they have Asperger's." If there's another meaning/correct meaning, perhaps that's not the one that's used over here in the states. 23 Member EVE Video makers: save bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder! (updated)
Caid Lemant	Posted - 2007.09.14 17:16:00 - [15] Edited by: Caid Lemant on 14/09/2007 17:16:43 Quote: I've never even heard of someone with Asperger's having motor function problems, ever. There's no delay in development of language or cognitive abilities, but motor function 'clumsiness' and other problems can exist in some fashion which can make their methods of speech seem different. -------- There is not enough love and goodness in the world for us to be permitted to give any of it away to imaginary things. Friedrich Nietzsche
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.14 19:40:00 - [16] Edited by: Patch86 on 14/09/2007 19:40:28 Originally by: Dark Shikari Basically every time I've seen it used, it means "very intelligent, but not perfectly normal, so I think they're slightly autistic, but I'm afraid to actually say they're autistic, since I know I'm wrong, so instead I'll say they have Asperger's." Aspergers is a disorder. This means that its not like "you have it" or "you don't have it", like the flu or a broken leg, it's means its a description of a set of traits. I know a guy who has Aspergers, and he definitely has something. It's like he has symptoms of Autism, but not bad enough for it to actually be Autism. But there is no doubt that he isn't just a normal person who is smart and has been classified as something. Thats just plain incorrect. Thats not to say that there aren't plenty of misdiagnosis in some places, like there are with ADHD these days. In some places it seems like every single person who misbehaves is suddenly a sufferer of ADHD and not, as the case may be, just a git. EDIT: Mental typo. ------ Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts!
Templer Relleg Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.14 20:29:00 - [17] Originally by: Caid Lemant Edited by: Caid Lemant on 14/09/2007 17:22:22 Edited by: Caid Lemant on 14/09/2007 17:16:43 Quote: I've never even heard of someone with Asperger's having motor function problems, ever. There's no delay in development of language or cognitive abilities, but motor function 'clumsiness' and other problems can exist in some fashion which can make their methods of speech seem different. Also autistic is pretty much correct, it's just functional autism without the delays in language or any other cognitive abilities. Remember that its a spectrum. As patch said, its not either you have it or not. Its made up of many parts.
Caid Lemant	Posted - 2007.09.14 20:40:00 - [18] Originally by: Templer Relleg Originally by: Caid Lemant Edited by: Caid Lemant on 14/09/2007 17:22:22 Edited by: Caid Lemant on 14/09/2007 17:16:43 Quote: I've never even heard of someone with Asperger's having motor function problems, ever. There's no delay in development of language or cognitive abilities, but motor function 'clumsiness' and other problems can exist in some fashion which can make their methods of speech seem different. Also autistic is pretty much correct, it's just functional autism without the delays in language or any other cognitive abilities. Remember that its a spectrum. As patch said, its not either you have it or not. Its made up of many parts. You think I don't understand that? Autism itself is just a spectrum and Asperger's is part of it. -------- There is not enough love and goodness in the world for us to be permitted to give any of it away to imaginary things. Friedrich Nietzsche
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.09.14 20:54:00 - [19] Originally by: Caid Lemant Huge paragraphs Holy Crap man, you just described my life to a T. Except for the school part, I was never very good in school. But I'm also super quiet in real life which has given me the ability to dissapear completely right in the middle of a party. I only have a handle of friends too and very rarely talk them. A few of them I haven't seen for well over a year now since I did one of my dissapearing acts too. I never really had friends in Jr. High and High school though so I spent my life in those years locked in my bedroom. My parents had to force me to talk when I was 5. According to them I would point at food at the table and grunt. They wouldn't give it to me unless I said what it was. Even today I stutter like crazy especially in high stress situations (job interviews kill me) and for the life of me I absolutely cannot pronounce R's. The main differences that I see is, like I said, I didn't do so well in school, although if you show me how something is done (hands on) I can pick up like nothing. And I had some temper issues while in school. I've gotten much better as I'm not trying to strangle people. I don't really consider myself smart per say but I am a quick problem solver and can be crafty (I tend to think way outside the box sometimes). If I had the ability to stay focus for longer periods of time I would consider going back to school. ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
Tauscha Vald'or	Posted - 2007.09.14 23:14:00 - [20] Originally by: Dark Shikari Since EVE has a more intelligent userbase than many games (mostly due to the learning curve), its not a surprise that we'd have more people declared "too smart" by the doctors desperately trying to find a label for people who can't be pigeonholed. I keep seeing people make this assumption, but Jim McGregor and the New Jenny Spitfire lead the rebuttal.
GPerson Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.09.15 00:38:00 - [21] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: Caid Lemant Huge paragraphs Smaller paragraphs. Going to an online forum and hearing someone describe your life is freaky isn't it? Speaking of which, I'm a fusion between you two. ~~~Sig Stuffs Here~~~ I highly recommend drunken posting. This sig has been unhighjacked since 2005.
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.09.15 00:49:00 - [22] Originally by: Caid Lemant snipped for length Hell, this could almost describe me. Though there are a few differences. But no one ever considered such a diagnosis for me; though I'm over 30, so it wasn't a popular sort of thing giving people different diagnoses back then. Maybe I've got it, maybe I don't. At this point would it really make a difference in my life? I used to get It. Then It changed. Now I don't even know what It is.
Jatonix Target Practice Inc. Pure.	Posted - 2007.09.15 01:08:00 - [23] I'm not one of them, but I know several people with AS. The ones I knew were utterly obsessed with World of Warcraft. AS patients have no empathy, so cannot really tell if their audience gives a crap about what they were saying. This being said, my friend would start talking to random people about extreme details from his WoW session he had last. Most of the time, his audience, who didn't even know what wow was, stood there and tried to listen and be polite. AS guys just can't tell when nobody cares about what they're saying. Women see them as nerds, dorks, or socially-********. This is obviously shallow, but there you have it. Other "regular" guys just avoid them and find them annoying. Thats my experiences with AS
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.09.15 01:16:00 - [24] Originally by: F'nog Originally by: Caid Lemant snipped for length Hell, this could almost describe me. This is my point; Asperger's describes a set of symptoms that are not a disorder: they can describe almost anyone who is relatively intelligent. 23 Member EVE Video makers: save bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder! (updated)
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.09.15 02:32:00 - [25] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 15/09/2007 01:18:59 Originally by: F'nog Originally by: Caid Lemant snipped for length Hell, this could almost describe me. This is my point; Asperger's describes a set of symptoms that are not a disorder: they can describe almost anyone who is relatively intelligent. Having "no empathy" is a sign of being socially inept, its not a mental disorder. (The fact that nearly everyone smart I know when I was younger had been "diagnosed with Asperger's" even though none of them were remotely autistic does somewhat bias my thoughts though. To me it seems like yet another excuse to stuff kids full of Ritalin.) Which is what I was getting at, basically. I could be, but I could not. At this point in my life, does it really matter why I behave the way I do? If I'm fine with it, is it a problem? And more importantly, should I, or anyone else who is different care so long as it doesn't severely affect our lives? I'm not saying that potentially many people have a real problem with Asperger's, or many other syndromes/conditions, but do we have to declare that we are "whatever" in order to live our lives if it does not adversely affect us? If being diagnosed with a problem and receiving treatment for it can benefit you, then great, do it. If it doesn't really change anything, just be yourself. Who cares if you're different than the "norm". As long as you're happy and functional, and the people you care about are happy and functional, then is it really a problem, or something you should label yourself? Wow, I had more to say than I thought. I used to get It. Then It changed. Now I don't even know what It is.
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.09.15 02:52:00 - [26] Originally by: Dark Shikari Having "no empathy" is a sign of being socially inept, its not a mental disorder. Socially inept is my middle name. I'm one of those people who never smiles and people always think I'm ****ed off or moody or depressed because I dont look like the joker 24/7. And I'm always being told that I've got to try to be more social but everytime I go out I just bunch up. Usually I pick the window seat at the diner or find some nice corner, some place where I'm not noticed. One on one conversations I'm fine with but when groups form I turn into chameleon man and blend into the nearest surrounding. Although if an animal is around I'll turn into it's best friend while others carry on with their business. Now this next part may be due to an anxiety disorder or something but other than work, I don't like being away from my house for more than a couple hours. If I go shopping I get into the store and get my items and get right back out again. One the rare occasion I hang with my friends I'm not out for more than a couple hours. ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.09.15 02:54:00 - [27] Originally by: Tauscha Vald'or Originally by: Dark Shikari Since EVE has a more intelligent userbase than many games (mostly due to the learning curve), its not a surprise that we'd have more people declared "too smart" by the doctors desperately trying to find a label for people who can't be pigeonholed. I keep seeing people make this assumption, but Jim McGregor and the New Jenny Spitfire lead the rebuttal. Jimmy Boy, he's smart, just crazy. Jenny Mk2... well, got me there.
Great Artista Caldari Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.09.15 03:15:00 - [28] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: Dark Shikari Having "no empathy" is a sign of being socially inept, its not a mental disorder. Socially inept is my middle name. I'm one of those people who never smiles and people always think I'm ****ed off or moody or depressed because I dont look like the joker 24/7. Yeah I'm the same, I wonder where they get that idea... Plus I rarely ever go out, I mainly leave house for studies, or jogging. And I really really love those weekends when nobody is home, I can be all alone for 2 days or more... This xmas, my whole family is going to a holiday to canary islands, so I can spend it by myself, its going to be the best christmas I'v ever had. People think I'm wierd because I dont get wasted every weekend, or hang outside to the late hours of the night. They can just wonder what I think about them... _______ ◕◡◕ Space perverts and forum warriors united. [PERVS] My opinions rather rarely represent my corp, not to mention my alliance hihihi...
Caid Lemant	Posted - 2007.09.15 06:36:00 - [29] Edited by: Caid Lemant on 15/09/2007 06:42:55 Originally by: Dark Shikari This is my point; Asperger's describes a set of symptoms that are not a disorder: they can describe almost anyone who is relatively intelligent. Having "no empathy" is a sign of being socially inept, its not a mental disorder. (The fact that nearly everyone smart I know when I was younger had been "diagnosed with Asperger's" even though none of them were remotely autistic does somewhat bias my thoughts though. To me it seems like yet another excuse to stuff kids full of Ritalin.) Many of Asperger's symptoms are not a disorder when mixed, but a whole of them together are. For the majority of people who say they have it, you're likely right. Even for a number of those diagnosed with it. The points you bring up are a great reason why I never use it as an excuse, it's not my sympathy card I wave around because the topic along with autism as a whole is still not totally understood. It's one of many forms of functioning autism and one of the easiest to deal with from what we know. I made my post as general as possible to explain that it can be dealt with, but I was not normal as a child in any way and as well as I've been able to deal with things - the majority of it is still with me even though it's controlled. Before I entered speech therapy my parents were prepared that I would not respond and had a serious form of autism because of other prevalent symptoms, for a large portion of my young life I had a nearly complete lack of empathy among other things. Like I said, what I dealt with could be many different things... at that age being speech deficient in any form has an adverse effect on mental growth. I'm not living a totally normal life, there are countless jobs I could never hold because of it, my continuation of education has to be taken quite slowly and pretty much requires for me to meet with specialized councilor daily or I couldn't deal with many factors that it brings up. Also anyone diagnosed with Asperger's and then stuffed full of Ritalin either didn't have it in any form, or had quite the horrible doctor. It's pretty much in the opposite spectrum of treatment methods and will likely do only harm. There are some forms of autism that they have been used with to try to induce certain mental developments, but they're in a spectrum far away from Asperger's. Finally, I'm interested for you to explain how an inability to show empathy can't be a mental disorder. It certainly isn't always a disorder, but it's not always just being socially inept. There are mental functions for people that should be taking place which aren't. I mean are people with serious forms of autism not trying hard enough? One could make a strong argument that what I show may not be true empathy, I was conditioned to show it and it's little more than just an act to look normal which I sometimes can't provide. There's a lot of truth in what you have to say, but it doesn't mean that there aren't people out there who are dealing with something real that has only been described as Asperger's. -------- There is not enough love and goodness in the world for us to be permitted to give any of it away to imaginary things. Friedrich Nietzsche
Templer Relleg Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.15 08:32:00 - [30] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 15/09/2007 01:18:59 Originally by: F'nog Originally by: Caid Lemant snipped for length Hell, this could almost describe me. This is my point; Asperger's describes a set of symptoms that are not a disorder: they can describe almost anyone who is relatively intelligent. Having "no empathy" is a sign of being socially inept, its not a mental disorder. (The fact that nearly everyone smart I know when I was younger had been "diagnosed with Asperger's" even though none of them were remotely autistic does somewhat bias my thoughts though. To me it seems like yet another excuse to stuff kids full of Ritalin.) So everybody was diagnosed with asperger, eh? Listen to some of the interviews with Tony Attwood. Asperger isnt just small things like trouble with being social, or being clever. Theres much more things to it, which will be VERY different from a normal person. Not to forget the fact that aspergers often get depressions and OCD.
Siren Shiva Minmatar	Posted - 2007.09.15 09:09:00 - [31] Originally by: Jatonix AS patients have no empathy, so cannot really tell if their audience gives a crap about what they were saying. This being said, my friend would start talking to random people about extreme details from his WoW session he had last. Most of the time, his audience, who didn't even know what wow was, stood there and tried to listen and be polite. AS guys just can't tell when nobody cares about what they're saying. Had to chime in here, I think your observation of a key symptome is very accurate, but I wouldn't agree that AS patients have no 'empathy' per se. I believe it is more social cognitive problem, an AS patient can be very empathic, he just totally fails to realize what he should / should not talk about with specific other people. If someone pointed it out to him, he might be shocked and care a lot, but not realize it until it is pointed out. There are so many forms of AS all thrown into the same drawer, and I find it is pretty poorly researched. I also believe that the actual 'outcome' in an adult person depends very much on how they grew up, if a 'problem' is perceived early on and the family is very supportive, an AS patient could grow up to be a pretty 'normal' person. I was diagnosed with AS about a year ago, but the description of social learning disability here fits much better. Motoric issues - check. I keep on bumping into things because I don't realize they are there, and in my way. Intelligence - I don't think this applies to everyone with some form of a social cognitive disorder. I surely don't feel super smart. Social issues - HELL YES, check. A normal social life, whats that? I don't 'get' the subtle rules of social interaction, like what exactly the other person meant, what they expect, how I should properly react. Until diagnosed with AS, people just thought I was not interested in them and some sort of freak. I was a complete outsider at pretty much every school. When I did dare to say something, I usually confused people or ****ed them off because either I'd constantly talk about myself, or babble about something that did not seem to make sense in given context for anyone else. The internet is great because text is so much easier to communicate in, though I still screw up. Perception / cognitive issues - definitely check. I can walk past my mother on the street without seeing her. And that's with contact lenses = close to perfect eyesight. Lyticus > I freaking hate you! Siren Shiva > I love you too <3 Trey > Siren sounds like she could kick my ass on Vent
Caid Lemant	Posted - 2007.09.15 10:11:00 - [32] Originally by: Templer Relleg Listen to some of the interviews with Tony Attwood. Asperger isnt just small things like trouble with being social, or being clever. Theres much more things to it, which will be VERY different from a normal person. Not to forget the fact that aspergers often get depressions and OCD. It's kind of ironic that the one interview I've listened to of him has an interviewer who continually responds, while he is still talking, with 'mmmms' 'hmms' 'ahmmms'. Probably one of the most painful and annoying things I've ever listened to... seriously put me on edge like someone running a saw down the street or a plane flying overhead. -------- There is not enough love and goodness in the world for us to be permitted to give any of it away to imaginary things. Friedrich Nietzsche
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.09.15 10:30:00 - [33] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 15/09/2007 10:32:02 Originally by: Amarria Black Originally by: Tauscha Vald'or Originally by: Dark Shikari Since EVE has a more intelligent userbase than many games (mostly due to the learning curve), its not a surprise that we'd have more people declared "too smart" by the doctors desperately trying to find a label for people who can't be pigeonholed. I keep seeing people make this assumption, but Jim McGregor and the New Jenny Spitfire lead the rebuttal. Jimmy Boy, he's smart, just crazy. Jenny Mk2... well, got me there. Im not crazy, I just think differently than you guys. While you rely on math formulas telling you that the chance of aliens visiting earth is not likely, I look at the signs of their existence in our history, the current ufo fleets and the tons of credible witnesses saying there are aliens. Thats the difference really. I dont know how to explain it better. I think in essence, when a large amount of people go public with alien knowledge despite only having things to lose, I trust what they say more than the math saying its unlikely. --- The Disclosure Project \| My UFO Thread (read it!)
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.09.15 10:45:00 - [34] Originally by: Jim McGregor Im not crazy, I just think differently than you guys. While you rely on math formulas telling you that the chance of aliens visiting earth is not likely, I look at the signs of their existence in our history, the current ufo fleets and the tons of credible witnesses saying there are aliens. Thats the difference really. I dont know how to explain it better. I think in essence, when a large amount of people go public with alien knowledge despite only having things to lose, I trust what they say more than the math saying its unlikely. You're what I like to call a True Believer. You trust what others tell you, even when it flies directly in the face of basic knowledge or statements to the opposite made by more qualified (or more numerous) people. And when presented with a contrary argument, you quickly disregard or claim that it's countered by the previous unproven information, and then continue with your prior line of thought. It's not bark-at-the-moon crazy, but it's still a kind of crazy. Doesn't mean I dislike you; we're all a little crazy around here. ^_^ Still, a discussion best left to a different thread.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.09.15 10:58:00 - [35] Originally by: Amarria Black You're what I like to call a True Believer. You trust what others tell you, even when it flies directly in the face of basic knowledge or statements to the opposite made by more qualified (or more numerous) people. And when presented with a contrary argument, you quickly disregard or claim that it's countered by the previous unproven information, and then continue with your prior line of thought. It's not bark-at-the-moon crazy, but it's still a kind of crazy. Doesn't mean I dislike you; we're all a little crazy around here. ^_^ Still, a discussion best left to a different thread. Well, I would express it more like "listening" to what others tell me, not automatically trusting it. If I trusted everything I heard, I would indeed be or become crazy. :) That what they say flies in the face of our knowledge doesnt stop me, thats very true. In fact, it encourages me. If you have two sides of something, its interesting for me to look at both sides, instead of checking credibility and deciding on that alone. I do think people put too much faith in credibility and dont realize that being credible very often is the same as "not contradicting common belief". You dont get a credible reputation by thinking differently to your colleagues for example. But you may still be right. And yes, I do disregard things like probability or common knowledge, because both of those change constantly as we discover more and more things. For example, a math formula doesnt stop me from thinking there are aliens, thats a good example. I simply make up my own mind. And im not often wrong, so thats why I have learned to trust my instincts despite people constantly telling me im wrong until the actual "impossible" thing happens. --- The Disclosure Project \| My UFO Thread (read it!)
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2007.09.15 11:17:00 - [36] Personally I think the "ASSBURGERSLOL" thing on the internet is way over rated. I think lots of people are just poorly socialised generally and spend way too much time in front of the PC.
Great Artista Caldari Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.09.15 11:32:00 - [37] This could be a Veto recruitement thread. No offence there, I lub you guys lots! Even Hussie... _______ ◕◡◕ Space perverts and forum warriors united. [PERVS] My opinions rather rarely represent my corp, not to mention my alliance hihihi...
Templer Relleg Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.15 11:33:00 - [38] Edited by: Templer Relleg on 15/09/2007 11:33:41 Originally by: Great Artista This could be a Veto recruitement thread. No offence there, I lub you guys lots! Even Hussie... Is this bad? Btw. im sad how this thread got derailed. I asked how many actually have this syndrome, and we get a pointless discussion, which makes no sense.
Great Artista Caldari Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.09.15 11:40:00 - [39] Sorry for derail... No, I dont have it diagnosed, lack of empathy however was diagnosed when I went thru some psychological test. (I had to do it because of somewhat serious depression) _______ ◕◡◕ Space perverts and forum warriors united. [PERVS] My opinions rather rarely represent my corp, not to mention my alliance hihihi...
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.09.15 11:47:00 - [40] Originally by: Great Artista Sorry for derail... No, I dont have it diagnosed, lack of empathy however was diagnosed when I went thru some psychological test. (I had to do it because of somewhat serious depression) Interesting. Have you always felt that way (lack of empathy)? --- The Disclosure Project \| My UFO Thread (read it!)
Great Artista Caldari Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.09.15 11:50:00 - [41] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Great Artista Sorry for derail... No, I dont have it diagnosed, lack of empathy however was diagnosed when I went thru some psychological test. (I had to do it because of somewhat serious depression) Interesting. Have you always felt that way (lack of empathy)? No, I grew into that for reasons nobody but me knows and that fact is not going to change here. _______ ◕◡◕ Space perverts and forum warriors united. [PERVS] My opinions rather rarely represent my corp, not to mention my alliance hihihi...
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.09.15 11:51:00 - [42] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 15/09/2007 11:52:36 Originally by: Great Artista No, I grew into that for reasons nobody but me knows and that fact is not going to change here. No problem. :) Sorry to hear about it though... but if you grew into it because of some external event, it should be able to be cured as well. Not that im an expert or anything. --- The Disclosure Project \| My UFO Thread (read it!)
Templer Relleg Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.15 12:09:00 - [43] Originally by: Great Artista Sorry for derail... No, I dont have it diagnosed, lack of empathy however was diagnosed when I went thru some psychological test. (I had to do it because of somewhat serious depression) It wasnt you who derailed it. It was DS
Rana Ash Minmatar Aeon Trinity	Posted - 2007.09.15 13:50:00 - [44] Intresting i found this thread after reading an article about asbergers. I did this Testand scored a 5 which is low. A friend of mine scored 35 and her son which is diagnosed scored 45.. ¦on Trinity is recruting, inquire within for details lyret dedreen
Templer Relleg Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.15 14:07:00 - [45] Originally by: Rana Ash Intresting i found this thread after reading an article about asbergers. I did this Testand scored a 5 which is low. A friend of mine scored 35 and her son which is diagnosed scored 45.. I scored 47. But its just a test, not a way of diagnosing.
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.09.15 14:22:00 - [46] Originally by: Rana Ash Intresting i found this thread after reading an article about asbergers. I did this Testand scored a 5 which is low. A friend of mine scored 35 and her son which is diagnosed scored 45.. Got a 17 which is the exact number given for a "normal" man. Had I taken the test 3-4 years ago I probebly would have gotten much higher score. So far from what i've heard there is a few very select traits of Asberger's that are like my life story. Yet others that are exactly the opposite. Very interesting stuff though. ___________ Desolacer> Who the heck gives YOU the right to ruin it for others buy blowing them up. Zaqar> CCP
Chronus26 Gallente Team Laser Explosion Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.09.15 14:46:00 - [47] I do have quite a lot of the 'qualities' of it, but I've never been diagnosed. I was diagnosed with Dyspraxia at an early age and am almost definatly mildly dyslexic. I don't really like to 'brand' myself with things like this, so I don't really discuss it with anybody in real life. The internets are different though, so bleh. I do have a lot of 'unique' personality traits though. -----
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.09.15 15:08:00 - [48] 23 on the test. Im going to do it again after I have ate something though, I stressed through it a bit since im hungry. --- The Disclosure Project \| My UFO Thread (read it!)
GPerson Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.09.15 15:35:00 - [49] Hmm, 37 on that test. ~~~Sig Stuffs Here~~~ I highly recommend drunken posting. This sig has been unhighjacked since 2005.
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.09.15 17:12:00 - [50] 26 in that test ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
Lal QelThyr Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.09.15 17:35:00 - [51] Also dyspraxic, along with mild ADHD and Dylexia. My motor functions are crap, I couldnt speak properly when younger (had to attend speech therapy for 3 years, age 3-6), I have an over-sensitivity to temperature (I cant stand hot enviroments, and am most confortable in strangly cold enviroments), I couldnt tell my left from my right untill I was 10, and my ambidextrousness is supposedly formed from it. (- Dev Protective Shield. My sig is invincible! -)
Warp away ITS A CIRCUS	Posted - 2007.09.15 17:37:00 - [52] Wouldnt mind a bit of assburgars, if you know what I mean. *nudge nudge hint hint
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.09.15 17:40:00 - [53] On my second attempt I got 21. Its still higher than I would have liked, but this time I cant really blame it on anything. :) --- The Disclosure Project \| My UFO Thread (read it!)
Templer Relleg Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.15 17:44:00 - [54] Originally by: Jim McGregor On my second attempt I got 21. Its still higher than I would have liked, but this time I cant really blame it on anything. :) At least thats less than 35. Im still confused over a score of 47. Seems pretty extreme.
Stickleback	Posted - 2007.09.15 19:19:00 - [55] 36 Hmmm.
Rana Ash Minmatar Aeon Trinity	Posted - 2007.09.15 19:35:00 - [56] Originally by: Templer Relleg Originally by: Jim McGregor On my second attempt I got 21. Its still higher than I would have liked, but this time I cant really blame it on anything. :) At least thats less than 35. Im still confused over a score of 47. Seems pretty extreme. Well i felt the questions where rather ambigous (hope i spelled that right), i mean another day when i could have been tired. The test might have given me a higher score, if you got a high score and is worried. Do as it said on the first page contact your doctor, but i would'nt worry. Over the results of this test.. ¦on Trinity is recruting, inquire within for details lyret dedreen
Gindar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.09.16 00:48:00 - [57] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 14/09/2007 14:57:20 Asperger's in my experience tends to be applied rather liberally as a label these days; its basically applied to anyone who isn't actually autistic, but is too smart to be fit into the usual "societal norms" of being a blathering idiot, and so the person is declared to have "Asperger's" because they're not perfectly ordinary. Since EVE has a more intelligent userbase than many games (mostly due to the learning curve), its not a surprise that we'd have more people declared "too smart" by the doctors desperately trying to find a label for people who can't be pigeonholed. OK, so I'm cynical. seconded. i was said to have it but it's just becuase i'm a shy guy with above average intelligence.
Caid Lemant	Posted - 2007.09.16 02:43:00 - [58] Originally by: Gindar i was said to have it but it's just becuase i'm a shy guy with above average intelligence. I'm interested in who said you had it and at what point in your life? -------- There is not enough love and goodness in the world for us to be permitted to give any of it away to imaginary things. Friedrich Nietzsche
Great Artista Caldari Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.09.16 02:55:00 - [59] 33 on that test. _______ ◕◡◕ Space perverts and forum warriors united. [PERVS] My opinions rather rarely represent my corp, not to mention my alliance hihihi...
Alty MacAlterson Alt Corporation Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2007.09.16 05:16:00 - [60] I have burgers in my ass do I have Assburgers?
Caid Lemant	Posted - 2007.09.16 06:38:00 - [61] Originally by: Alty MacAlterson I have burgers in my ass do I have Assburgers? No, I think it's evidence of a pathetic sense of humor actually. -------- There is not enough love and goodness in the world for us to be permitted to give any of it away to imaginary things. Friedrich Nietzsche
Wizie Minmatar e X i l e FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.16 08:18:00 - [62] Isn't aspergers just another name for social ****** with no life? It's funny how they make up names for these things, "Hey I have no friends, well except for my my pet tiger in WoW YIFF YIFF, must be my aspergers flaring up again." lmao ----------------- Sig removed by some noob
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.16 09:00:00 - [63] Originally by: Wizie Isn't aspergers just another name for social **** with no life? It's funny how they make up names for these things, "Hey I have no friends, well except for my my pet tiger in WoW YIFF YIFF, must be my aspergers flaring up again." lmao "I can make fun of people with mental disorders! I'm rock hard, me!" Your post requires more Caps Lock, mate. ------ Originally by:** CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts!
Wizie Minmatar e X i l e FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.16 09:19:00 - [64] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Wizie Isn't aspergers just another name for social ****** with no life? It's funny how they make up names for these things, "Hey I have no friends, well except for my my pet tiger in WoW YIFF YIFF, must be my aspergers flaring up again." lmao "I can make fun of people with mental disorders! I'm rock hard, me!" Your post requires more Caps Lock, mate. Aspergers isn't a mental disorder it's a way of life. ----------------- Sig removed by some noob
Caid Lemant	Posted - 2007.09.16 09:24:00 - [65] Originally by: Wizie Aspergers isn't a mental disorder it's a way of life. So, autism is a choice? -------- There is not enough love and goodness in the world for us to be permitted to give any of it away to imaginary things. Friedrich Nietzsche
Wizie Minmatar e X i l e FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.16 09:30:00 - [66] Originally by: Caid Lemant Originally by: Wizie Aspergers isn't a mental disorder it's a way of life. So, autism is a choice? Aspergers is hardly full blown autism, it's one of several strands sure but in most cases we see kids who play to many video games and don't scoialise from a very early age hence they get older and don't have the skills to socialise and think they have aspergers. The problem is people on forums going "oh hay that sounds EXACTLY like me...HEY MUM IVE GOT ASPERGERS" ----------------- Sig removed by some noob
Caid Lemant	Posted - 2007.09.16 09:56:00 - [67] Originally by: Wizie Aspergers is hardly full blown autism, it's one of several strands sure but in most cases we see kids who play to many video games and don't scoialise from a very early age hence they get older and don't have the skills to socialise and think they have aspergers. The problem is people on forums going "oh hay that sounds EXACTLY like me...HEY MUM IVE GOT ASPERGERS" Have you ever met someone who truly had Asperger's? Diagnosed as a child and dealt with it their entire life? Its name is definitely tarnished, but it exists and isn't a joking matter for one to insult without a thought. Choose your wording better unless you're actually gunning for the **-in-ass-head merit badge. -------- There is not enough love and goodness in the world for us to be permitted to give any of it away to imaginary things.** Friedrich Nietzsche
Wizie Minmatar e X i l e FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.16 10:00:00 - [68] Originally by: Caid Lemant Originally by: Wizie Aspergers is hardly full blown autism, it's one of several strands sure but in most cases we see kids who play to many video games and don't scoialise from a very early age hence they get older and don't have the skills to socialise and think they have aspergers. The problem is people on forums going "oh hay that sounds EXACTLY like me...HEY MUM IVE GOT ASPERGERS" Have you ever met someone who truly had Asperger's? Diagnosed as a child and dealt with it their entire life? Its name is definitely tarnished, but it exists and isn't a joking matter for one to insult without a thought. Choose your wording better unless you're actually gunning for the ****-in-ass-head merit badge. It's really the only badge I don't have. ----------------- Sig removed by some noob
Templer Relleg Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.16 10:56:00 - [69] Edited by: Templer Relleg on 16/09/2007 10:58:49 Edited by: Templer Relleg on 16/09/2007 10:57:17 Originally by: Wizie Originally by: Caid Lemant Originally by: Wizie Aspergers isn't a mental disorder it's a way of life. So, autism is a choice? Aspergers is hardly full blown autism, it's one of several strands sure but in most cases we see kids who play to many video games and don't scoialise from a very early age hence they get older and don't have the skills to socialise and think they have aspergers. The problem is people on forums going "oh hay that sounds EXACTLY like me...HEY MUM IVE GOT ASPERGERS" Sir, you dont know what you are talking about. Please just get the hell out. Asperger isnt just the social part. Its so much more. The sensory experience, which is way different from normal persons. Motor problems. Often they get depression. Heres something for you: http://web.syr.edu/~rjkopp/data/as_diag_list.html That document lists just some of the things. But some of the more important ones arent listed. In general. Dont speak unless you know what you are talking about.
Wizie Minmatar e X i l e FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.16 11:14:00 - [70] Originally by: Templer Relleg Edited by: Templer Relleg on 16/09/2007 10:58:49 Edited by: Templer Relleg on 16/09/2007 10:57:17 Originally by: Wizie Originally by: Caid Lemant Originally by: Wizie Aspergers isn't a mental disorder it's a way of life. So, autism is a choice? Aspergers is hardly full blown autism, it's one of several strands sure but in most cases we see kids who play to many video games and don't scoialise from a very early age hence they get older and don't have the skills to socialise and think they have aspergers. The problem is people on forums going "oh hay that sounds EXACTLY like me...HEY MUM IVE GOT ASPERGERS" Sir, you dont know what you are talking about. Please just get the hell out. Asperger isnt just the social part. Its so much more. The sensory experience, which is way different from normal persons. Motor problems. Often they get depression. Heres something for you: http://web.syr.edu/~rjkopp/data/as_diag_list.html That document lists just some of the things. But some of the more important ones arent listed. In general. Dont speak unless you know what you are talking about. tl;dr ----------------- Sig removed by some noob
Templer Relleg Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.16 11:21:00 - [71] Originally by: Wizie tl;dr I think that fact that it made meaning then your other posts is pretty good.
Great Artista Caldari Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.09.16 11:56:00 - [72] Edited by: Great Artista on 16/09/2007 11:58:48 Aspergers is a cool thing? I never realized... EDIT Nor claimmed that I had one, wtf is that attitude btw... _______ ◕◡◕ Space perverts and forum warriors united. [PERVS] My opinions rather rarely represent my corp, not to mention my alliance hihihi...
Templer Relleg Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.16 12:07:00 - [73] Originally by: Great Artista Edited by: Great Artista on 16/09/2007 11:58:48 Aspergers is a cool thing? I never realized... EDIT Nor claimmed that I had one, wtf is that attitude btw... Hardly. But its a way of life i suppose. Not alot you can do.
Victor Ivanov Minmatar The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.16 12:20:00 - [74] sigh The ignorance in this thread is quite stunning. Even from someone like Dark Shikari, for whom I have a certain measure of respect. Regardless, Asperger is not a fancy name for people who are very smart and have little to no social life. That's called being a Geek. Hell, we all play an online sci fi game with a well developed simulation of real economics, strategic warfare and politics/diplomacy. With the rise of the internet, self diagnosis has become rampant, unfortunately. Asperger is, as has been mentioned, a form of Autism. Meaning that while it appears on the Autistic Spectrum, it has different symptoms than Autism has, while sharing some similiarities. People with Asperger are defined by their non existent(Or severely limited) verbal and social capabilities. No, this does not mean SHY, or a little bit introvert. People with Asperger are frequently reported as having lowered empathic capabilities (Read: Difficulty understanding other people's emotions, desires, facial expressions etc). Furthermore, they are frequently inflexible in their interests or routines. This is not "Oh gods, I play EVE way too much. I must have asperger..", it means that people with Asperger (Allowing for exceptions to the rule of course) can develop an intense obsession with objects, activities, repetitive routines. This can also be observed in Autistic people, where they are so intently focused on for example a glistening object that they completely block out all external factors, including someone talking to them, something dangerous to their health (Car approaching them on a road) etc. Another thing: Intelligence has nothing to do with Asperger. Nothing, nothing at all. However, I can explain where the myth comes from: One noticeable difference between Autistic people and people with Asperger Syndrome is that Autistic people may seem somewhat backward at times. Some with severe Autism may even behave like a child while already full grown, need constant guidance and attention etc. On the flip side, one of the defining features of Asperger is that their intelligence is normal, meaning it can be low, high just like in a normal child, however: They do have some lingual oddities which in some cases may include excessive verbosity, sudden transitions in their language and inability to comprehend some nuances such as metaphors, analogies etc. ("Why don't you just go jump off a bridge" can be interpreted quite literal by someone with Asperger) A final defining feature is long, repetitive motor behaviour. They are somewhat comparable to "tics", except that tics are short, abrupt movements while those with Asperger will have what seems more like...Rituals. Complex body movements that go on for long periods of time, hand movements that are fluent but are done constantly and highly focused on aforementioned movements. A good read for those interested is the rather short novel "The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-time" which tells a story from the perspective from someone with Asperger (although admittedly, the character has severe asperger/other autistic tendencies). It is a very good read, I'd highly recommend it, and since it is only like 100 pages or so, it doesn't take long to finish. Finally, a word of advice: If you are shy, socially inept/insecure yet intelligent, feel misunderstood, teased in high school, have few friends etc: Congratulations, you are almost certainly a normal, introverted, geeky young man/girl. Don't jump to conclusions, and don't self diagnose if all you know about a condition are some assumptions of someone just as ignorant on the internet. Using a syndrome that you don't have to justify your actions is not just sad, it's selfish because it corrupts the public's perception of things. "He has Asperger? He doesn't seem so bad" leads to "Asperger = shy/insecure" which is just wrong, and mean to those with actual Asperger. My two cents. ----------------------
Sirial Soulfly	Posted - 2007.09.16 12:30:00 - [75] Originally by: Victor Ivanov Truth Thread won, close it already.
Templer Relleg Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.16 13:39:00 - [76] Originally by: Victor Ivanov The ignorance in this thread is quite stunning. Even from someone like Dark Shikari, for whom I have a certain measure of respect. I have to agree with this Originally by: Victor Ivanov Finally, a word of advice: If you are shy, socially inept/insecure yet intelligent, feel misunderstood, teased in high school, have few friends etc: Congratulations, you are almost certainly a normal, introverted, geeky young man/girl. Don't jump to conclusions, and don't self diagnose if all you know about a condition are some assumptions of someone just as ignorant on the internet. Using a syndrome that you don't have to justify your actions is not just sad, it's selfish because it corrupts the public's perception of things. "He has Asperger? He doesn't seem so bad" leads to "Asperger = shy/insecure" which is just wrong, and mean to those with actual Asperger. My two cents. Sadly this is not self-diagnostic. I wish it was. Its my doctors sus****ion, having been trough a bit of the system already, it seems to be the case indeed. Not that it changes who one is. And this thread wasnt "OZMG I BE ASSBURGER", it was a theoretical question about how many here are aspies.
Victor Ivanov Minmatar The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.16 13:51:00 - [77] Originally by: Templer Relleg Originally by: Victor Ivanov The ignorance in this thread is quite stunning. Even from someone like Dark Shikari, for whom I have a certain measure of respect. I have to agree with this Originally by: Victor Ivanov Finally, a word of advice: If you are shy, socially inept/insecure yet intelligent, feel misunderstood, teased in high school, have few friends etc: Congratulations, you are almost certainly a normal, introverted, geeky young man/girl. Don't jump to conclusions, and don't self diagnose if all you know about a condition are some assumptions of someone just as ignorant on the internet. Using a syndrome that you don't have to justify your actions is not just sad, it's selfish because it corrupts the public's perception of things. "He has Asperger? He doesn't seem so bad" leads to "Asperger = shy/insecure" which is just wrong, and mean to those with actual Asperger. My two cents. Sadly this is not self-diagnostic. I wish it was. Its my doctors sus****ion, having been trough a bit of the system already, it seems to be the case indeed. Not that it changes who one is. And this thread wasnt "OZMG I BE ASSBURGER", it was a theoretical question about how many here are aspies. My post was not aimed at anyone in specific, mate. And while it did indeed begin as a simple query regarding the number of people with Asperger Syndrome, what it turned into was a whole bunch of people saying "Hey, asperger...Isn't that when you are really smart but can't get a girlfriend?" Alright, so the above is paraphrased somewhat, but you get the general idea. :) ----------------------
Templer Relleg Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.16 13:56:00 - [78] Originally by: Victor Ivanov Originally by: Templer Relleg Originally by: Victor Ivanov The ignorance in this thread is quite stunning. Even from someone like Dark Shikari, for whom I have a certain measure of respect. I have to agree with this Originally by: Victor Ivanov Finally, a word of advice: If you are shy, socially inept/insecure yet intelligent, feel misunderstood, teased in high school, have few friends etc: Congratulations, you are almost certainly a normal, introverted, geeky young man/girl. Don't jump to conclusions, and don't self diagnose if all you know about a condition are some assumptions of someone just as ignorant on the internet. Using a syndrome that you don't have to justify your actions is not just sad, it's selfish because it corrupts the public's perception of things. "He has Asperger? He doesn't seem so bad" leads to "Asperger = shy/insecure" which is just wrong, and mean to those with actual Asperger. My two cents. Sadly this is not self-diagnostic. I wish it was. Its my doctors sus****ion, having been trough a bit of the system already, it seems to be the case indeed. Not that it changes who one is. And this thread wasnt "OZMG I BE ASSBURGER", it was a theoretical question about how many here are aspies. My post was not aimed at anyone in specific, mate. And while it did indeed begin as a simple query regarding the number of people with Asperger Syndrome, what it turned into was a whole bunch of people saying "Hey, asperger...Isn't that when you are really smart but can't get a girlfriend?" Alright, so the above is paraphrased somewhat, but you get the general idea. :) Im sorry i misunderstood your post. But its hard to know who you are trying to aim at. I guess its just another weakness that comes with the assburger thing.
Wizie Minmatar e X i l e FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.16 15:00:00 - [79] Originally by: Templer Relleg Originally by: Victor Ivanov Originally by: Templer Relleg Originally by: Victor Ivanov The ignorance in this thread is quite stunning. Even from someone like Dark Shikari, for whom I have a certain measure of respect. I have to agree with this Originally by: Victor Ivanov Finally, a word of advice: If you are shy, socially inept/insecure yet intelligent, feel misunderstood, teased in high school, have few friends etc: Congratulations, you are almost certainly a normal, introverted, geeky young man/girl. Don't jump to conclusions, and don't self diagnose if all you know about a condition are some assumptions of someone just as ignorant on the internet. Using a syndrome that you don't have to justify your actions is not just sad, it's selfish because it corrupts the public's perception of things. "He has Asperger? He doesn't seem so bad" leads to "Asperger = shy/insecure" which is just wrong, and mean to those with actual Asperger. My two cents. Sadly this is not self-diagnostic. I wish it was. Its my doctors sus****ion, having been trough a bit of the system already, it seems to be the case indeed. Not that it changes who one is. And this thread wasnt "OZMG I BE ASSBURGER", it was a theoretical question about how many here are aspies. My post was not aimed at anyone in specific, mate. And while it did indeed begin as a simple query regarding the number of people with Asperger Syndrome, what it turned into was a whole bunch of people saying "Hey, asperger...Isn't that when you are really smart but can't get a girlfriend?" Alright, so the above is paraphrased somewhat, but you get the general idea. :) Im sorry i misunderstood your post. But its hard to know who you are trying to aim at. I guess its just another weakness that comes with the assburger thing. "Sorry guys must be my aspergers flaring up again, always happens in the winter time." lmao ----------------- Sig removed by some noob
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2007.09.16 15:59:00 - [80] Hah. 35 on the test. It's not assburgers though, I just don't like people.
Siren Shiva Minmatar	Posted - 2007.09.16 19:33:00 - [81] Spending too much time with computers at the cost of social life is not related to AS or any other syndrome, its a way of life that has been known to happen to average people with normal social lifes. Suddenly they discover WoW or whatever and begin to neglect friends, partners, etc. Those who truly suffer from social disability would live the same life without computers. They would simply draw, write, or read a lot instead. Lyticus > I freaking hate you! Siren Shiva > I love you too <3 Trey > Siren sounds like she could kick my ass on Vent
Verone	Posted - 2007.09.16 20:15:00 - [82] I've known a couple of people in Eve who have Aspergers, and it can be a difficult thing to deal with from my experiences. One in particular I got off on the wrong foot with I guess, something I sincerely regret. Personally I was diagnosed several years ago with URC Bi-Polar disorder (Ultra-Rapid Cycling) which is a different condition but can lead to the same pesronal neglect or distance from one's social life depending on moods. It can be a hard thing to deal with but as it's been stated in this thread already, distance from contact and expression through online gaming can help a great deal. >>> TRIBUTE TO A FALLEN WINGMAN <<<
Dau Imperius Amarr	Posted - 2007.09.17 00:59:00 - [83] Being an Aspie myself I found myself drawn to this thread. Before I began taking two meds (Klonopin for anxiety, and Prozac for depressive bouts), I was literally 'in a shell' mentally. Very smart, some said, but not exactly a full Autistic. For most of my life, I found people to be, well to put it mildly, disgusting. Thier need for competition, to pick on others they percieve as weaker, the need to constantly talk about almost anything, (when I'd much rather have been day-dreaming of a better life, or reading or just looking at nature.) befuddled me. Then came the computer at age 11. (pre internet) I was hooked. Here I could literaly engage my mind, without NT's distracting me. Play games, expess myself in writing, it was like a Tele, that I could interact with.(That and books and Pencil and Paper rolep[laying had been my main source of company before that, never found a need for 'friends' or social cliques) Then came the internet to all. And...the first online game (for myself anyways), EQ. To my Aspie self it was sheer heaven. I could see and involve myself in a co-operative enviornment (again the NT need to compete and dominate was and still is alien to me) Who the heck needed the real world, full of it's insane ways, when I could have an ideal world where everyone started off equally and needed each other to move ahead? (Well for the most part anyways at first) Anyways that cycle went on with me form 1998 until just earlier this year. I would jump on any MMO I thought would be how like EQ was in it's infancy. It helped me calm down after having to interact (kind of) with the real world, which I thought was f'd up. Ok, well I still think that, but back then I didn't realise it was because my brain was a tad different. Everyone would assume it was arrogance, and shyness. But it wasn't. Now that I know what I am, and have two small pills to take for the rest of my life, I'm finding life to be extremely easy, and have pretty much quit on-line gaming for the most part. (I just log in to EVE to train skills, in a solo corp. Just because I can't bear to let my character go silently into the night.) Don't misunderstand me, I still prefer co-operative games (I do one session of PnP Roleplay a week, and still have a slight interest in Star Trek online), but other then that, I go out more, I can actually talk to people, and I smile! I no longer ignore another person, if they talk about a subject I know nothing about. I can even date now with no worries, it's fantastic. All in all, I'm glad I'm not an NT. I wouldn't give up being this way for anything in the universe (wel ok save for immortality) I don't consider Asperger's Autism to be a disability, not in the least. I take it as a sign the Human brain is trying to evolve (just like the body). It just hasn't worked out how to yet. Even though my handi-cp is now having to take two meds for the rest of my life, I know I'm different in better ways then an average NT now. I've overcame the baser animal attitudes they still display now. I no longer envy anyone, no longer covet what others have, no longer care to hurt another person (on purpose), smile all the time, even when things look grim, and don't give up. I also despise the system of economics we still use. (It's so base and futile) Just examples. But best of all..I know the world would be a better place with more of us in it running things once we find what we need to 'stabalise' our improvements. We're not dumb, in fact ost of us Aspies can display intense levels of memorization and interest in what we love. Call me what Gene Roddenberry enviosined: Humanity Evolved. But to the point of all this: EvE is not simply for 'intelligent players'. And if they're anything like me, Aspies usually find half the things in EVE repulsive, (PvP mentality) but play because it's a way to still be themselves, without feeling odd. Especially anyone not diagnosed.
Atama Cardel GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.17 01:08:00 - [84] I know someone who has Asburgurs, but don't have it myself
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2007.09.17 02:59:00 - [85] Edited by: Wendat Huron on 17/09/2007 03:02:47 Originally by: Wizie Originally by: Caid Lemant Originally by: Wizie Aspergers isn't a mental disorder it's a way of life. So, autism is a choice? Aspergers is hardly full blown autism, it's one of several strands sure but in most cases we see kids who play to many video games and don't scoialise from a very early age hence they get older and don't have the skills to socialise and think they have aspergers. The problem is people on forums going "oh hay that sounds EXACTLY like me...HEY MUM IVE GOT ASPERGERS" Sir, you dont know what you are talking about. Please just get the hell out. Asperger isnt just the social part. Its so much more. The sensory experience, which is way different from normal persons. Motor problems. Often they get depression. Heres something for you: http://web.syr.edu/~rjkopp/data/as_diag_list.html That document lists just some of the things. But some of the more important ones arent listed. In general. Dont speak unless you know what you are talking about. I'd say they get depressed, it's like being stuck on the login screen for life.
Caid Lemant	Posted - 2007.09.17 03:39:00 - [86] Originally by: Wendat Huron I'd say they get depressed, it's like being stuck on the login screen for life. There's a big difference between just being depressed and actually having depression. -------- There is not enough love and goodness in the world for us to be permitted to give any of it away to imaginary things. Friedrich Nietzsche
Templer Relleg Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.17 05:04:00 - [87] Originally by: Caid Lemant Originally by: Wendat Huron I'd say they get depressed, it's like being stuck on the login screen for life. There's a big difference between just being depressed and actually having depression. Let me just second this. Being depressed = Emo. We know that 75% of all teenagers today are like this. Having a depression isn't the same.
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 06:23:00 - [88] Originally by: Wizie Originally by: Patch86 Aspergers isn't a mental disorder it's a way of life. Thats why they call it Aspergers disorder then? Unless you are a doctor then STFU idiot. STAND OUT!
Templer Relleg Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.17 07:01:00 - [89] Originally by: Wizie Originally by: Patch86 Aspergers isn't a mental disorder it's a way of life. Thats why they call it Aspergers disorder then? I didnt see that comment before now. Its not called Aspergers disorder. Its caled Aspergers SYNDROME. You know the difference between the two of them?
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 07:05:00 - [90] Originally by: Templer Relleg Its caled Aspergers SYNDROME. You know the difference between the two of them? Asperger syndrome (also Asperger's syndrome, Asperger's disorder, Asperger's, or AS) is one of several autism spectrum disorders (ASD) that are characterized by difficulties in social communication and reciprocal social skills, and in restricted and stereotyped interests and activities Not so fast there buddy. STAND OUT!
Templer Relleg Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.17 07:14:00 - [91] Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: Templer Relleg Its caled Aspergers SYNDROME. You know the difference between the two of them? Asperger syndrome (also Asperger's syndrome, Asperger's disorder, Asperger's, or AS) is one of several autism spectrum disorders (ASD) that are characterized by difficulties in social communication and reciprocal social skills, and in restricted and stereotyped interests and activities Not so fast there buddy. Theres still a different. Asperger itself is a sydrome. But the symtomes you get, are disorders. Theres a fundamental difference. The syndrome itself describes a person, not the disorders.
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 07:21:00 - [92] Originally by: Templer Relleg Theres still a different. Asperger itself is a sydrome. But the symtomes you get, are disorders. Theres a fundamental difference. The syndrome itself describes a person, not the disorders. thats why its also known as Aspergers disorder. You could easily say the same thing about eating disorders, thats its not really eating disorder but a syndrome of some kind. I really think you are splitting hairs here. STAND OUT!
Caid Lemant	Posted - 2007.09.17 07:26:00 - [93] He's trying to clarify the difference between a syndrome and a disorder, there is no one singular Asperger's disorder. Asperger's is made up of many observable disorders that cohesively make a syndrome. Not all Asperger's cases are the same. -------- There is not enough love and goodness in the world for us to be permitted to give any of it away to imaginary things. Friedrich Nietzsche
Templer Relleg Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.17 07:28:00 - [94] Edited by: Templer Relleg on 17/09/2007 07:29:02 Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: Templer Relleg Theres still a different. Asperger itself is a sydrome. But the symtomes you get, are disorders. Theres a fundamental difference. The syndrome itself describes a person, not the disorders. thats why its also known as Aspergers disorder. You could easily say the same thing about eating disorders, thats its not really eating disorder but a syndrome of some kind. I really think you are splitting hairs here. I just think that saying disorder is so wrong. Its got a negative value to it. And all aspies i know are very happy about being who they are. They dont see it as a disorder per say. Originally by: Caid Lemant He's trying to clarify the difference between a syndrome and a disorder, there is no one singular Asperger's disorder. Asperger's is made up of many observable disorders that cohesively make a syndrome. Not all Asperger's cases are the same. I thought it had been cleared out earlier in the thread. But yeah, also that.
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 07:33:00 - [95] Originally by: Templer Relleg Its got a negative value to it. Ah ok I see. STAND OUT!
Asperger Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.09.17 14:03:00 - [96] Given this character name I'm sure it's not hard to guess that I'm involved with AS. There are lots of people who mistakenly equate having Asperger's syndrome with being a geek with a bad social life. Impaired social life and having an obsession does not mean people have AS, but people who have AS most likely have these sympthoms. AS has a large set of sympthoms and there isn't a person who has all of them. It is always just a subset. Anyway, I don't use medication and I don't have regular "therapy" or similar sessions about this, although I'm diagnosed "officially". I'm also off the charts in the online AS tests, although they can be misleading, so if someone suspects that he or she has AS, he/she shouldn't rely on it. I've known that I have AS for the past few years and knowing about it helped immensely. Before, I didn't know why I can't interact well with others, but since then with practice I'm doing a conscious substitute for what others do quite naturally. For example I know not to keep constant staring eye contact, but to break eye contact some of the time and I pay attention to my body language in order not to give out the wrong signals, like signaling that I'm in a bad mood and that I prefer to be left alone. Smiling sometimes, not folding my arms around my chest all the time and a few other things help in interacting with others. I hate waiting, it is excrutiating pain for me to be idle, especially when it comes to public transport. I have to have something in my hand, otherwise I don't know what to do with my arms when standing. Trying to keep up a conversation is difficult because I'm much slower at judging the intent of others when having a live conversation. I reply too quickly and it often ends up being nonsensical, a filler so I end up correcting myself a lot of the time with what I'd really ment to say. Intelligence doesn't have much to do with Asperger's syndrome, except to exclude Autistic people from being diagnosed with AS. However, it would be misleading to say that it doesn't affect the way someone thinks. I'm very lucky because the thing I'm interested in happens to be practical in real life. I'm very good in IT and I solve problems for a living. I often apply unique approaches in order to accomplish something and it's not the matter of intelligence, but just "thinking differently" (TM). I'm interested in science, be it physics, mathematics, biology, chemistry, astronomy, psychology etecera. I will never stop learning, trying to know more. I believe in trying to avoid being an idiot, in the original greek meaning (quoting wikipedia: "Idiot" was originally created to refer to people who were overly concerned with their own self-interest and ignored the needs of the community. Declining to take part in public life, such as democratic government of the polis (city state), such as the Athenian democracy, was considered dishonorable. "Idiots" were seen as having bad judgment in public and political matters."). I guess people could describe me as being very rational, as I believe in trying to know things, trying to follow the scientific method in understanding things.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.19 20:54:00 - [97] Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: Wizie Originally by: Patch86 Aspergers isn't a mental disorder it's a way of life. Thats why they call it Aspergers disorder then? Unless you are a doctor then STFU idiot. Ahem, you have misquoted good sir. It wasn't me who made that jackass comment, thankyou very much... ------ Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts!
Siren Shiva Minmatar	Posted - 2007.09.20 08:42:00 - [98] Originally by: Verone it can be a difficult thing to deal with from my experiences. I'm sure with some tolerance and goodwill any damage can be prevented or mended, no matter the issue or syndrome involved. Lyticus > I freaking hate you! Siren Shiva > I love you too <3 Trey > Siren sounds like she could kick my ass on Vent
Templer Relleg Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.20 09:36:00 - [99] Edited by: Templer Relleg on 20/09/2007 09:37:54 Originally by: Siren Shiva Originally by: Verone it can be a difficult thing to deal with from my experiences. I'm sure with some tolerance and goodwill any damage can be prevented or mended, no matter the issue or syndrome involved. Have you interacted with aspies? Most of my friends(The few of them) are aspies. Even tho we know what the dangers are, it happens over and over again. The way the average person is, especially in regards to irony and sarcasme, its HARD. Its VERY HARD. But understanding the syndrome and what makes aspies happy goes a long way. But it will never shield you from saying something stupid, becuase it all depends on the mood of the aspies, which can be VERY hard to see. So how you might ask? When you talk to your aspie, state your CLEAR Intention. Dont wrap it all up in sugar words or sarcasm. State it clearly. Want an aspie to do something? State CLEARLY what you want and what you expect of the person. Also HOW. State it CLEARLY.
Kastar Memphis Technologies	Posted - 2007.09.20 11:24:00 - [100] 30 I don't know whether to or to -----------------------------------------------
Siren Shiva Minmatar	Posted - 2007.09.22 11:00:00 - [101] Yes, telling an Aspie exactly what you expect from them and how you feel probably helps a great deal, but in todays society, it appears to be an unwritten law that it is forbidden to show feelings or to talk clearly about such things. Lyticus > I freaking hate you! Siren Shiva > I love you too <3 Trey > Siren sounds like she could kick my ass on Vent
Nyphur Pillowsoft Total Comfort	Posted - 2007.09.22 18:17:00 - [102] It's hard to diagnose and an increasing proportion of people seem to be being diagnosed with it. Practically every internet community has an abnormally high proportion of aspies to neurotypicals. My brother was diagnosed with it and sometimes you could swear he's normal but other times you really see it... It has been suggested that I could get diagnosed with it, probably just from picking up my brother's habits. Eve-Tanking.com - We're sorry, something happened.

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