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Siren Shiva
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.09.15 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jatonix AS patients have no empathy, so cannot really tell if their audience gives a crap about what they were saying. This being said, my friend would start talking to random people about extreme details from his WoW session he had last. Most of the time, his audience, who didn't even know what wow was, stood there and tried to listen and be polite. AS guys just can't tell when nobody cares about what they're saying.
Had to chime in here, I think your observation of a key symptome is very accurate, but I wouldn't agree that AS patients have no 'empathy' per se. I believe it is more social cognitive problem, an AS patient can be very empathic, he just totally fails to realize what he should / should not talk about with specific other people. If someone pointed it out to him, he might be shocked and care a lot, but not realize it until it is pointed out.
There are so many forms of AS all thrown into the same drawer, and I find it is pretty poorly researched. I also believe that the actual 'outcome' in an adult person depends very much on how they grew up, if a 'problem' is perceived early on and the family is very supportive, an AS patient could grow up to be a pretty 'normal' person.
I was diagnosed with AS about a year ago, but the description of social learning disability here fits much better.
Motoric issues - check. I keep on bumping into things because I don't realize they are there, and in my way.
Intelligence - I don't think this applies to everyone with some form of a social cognitive disorder. I surely don't feel super smart.
Social issues - HELL YES, check. A normal social life, whats that? I don't 'get' the subtle rules of social interaction, like what exactly the other person meant, what they expect, how I should properly react. Until diagnosed with AS, people just thought I was not interested in them and some sort of freak. I was a complete outsider at pretty much every school. When I did dare to say something, I usually confused people or ****ed them off because either I'd constantly talk about myself, or babble about something that did not seem to make sense in given context for anyone else.
The internet is great because text is so much easier to communicate in, though I still screw up.
Perception / cognitive issues - definitely check. I can walk past my mother on the street without seeing her. And that's with contact lenses = close to perfect eyesight.
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Caid Lemant
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Posted - 2007.09.15 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: Templer Relleg Listen to some of the interviews with Tony Attwood. Asperger isnt just small things like trouble with being social, or being clever. Theres much more things to it, which will be VERY different from a normal person. Not to forget the fact that aspergers often get depressions and OCD.
It's kind of ironic that the one interview I've listened to of him has an interviewer who continually responds, while he is still talking, with 'mmmms' 'hmms' 'ahmmms'. Probably one of the most painful and annoying things I've ever listened to... seriously put me on edge like someone running a saw down the street or a plane flying overhead. --------
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.09.15 10:30:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 15/09/2007 10:32:02
Originally by: Amarria Black
Originally by: Tauscha Vald'or
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Since EVE has a more intelligent userbase than many games (mostly due to the learning curve), its not a surprise that we'd have more people declared "too smart" by the doctors desperately trying to find a label for people who can't be pigeonholed.
I keep seeing people make this assumption, but Jim McGregor and the New Jenny Spitfire lead the rebuttal.
Jimmy Boy, he's smart, just crazy. Jenny Mk2... well, got me there.
Im not crazy, I just think differently than you guys. While you rely on math formulas telling you that the chance of aliens visiting earth is not likely, I look at the signs of their existence in our history, the current ufo fleets and the tons of credible witnesses saying there are aliens.
Thats the difference really. I dont know how to explain it better. I think in essence, when a large amount of people go public with alien knowledge despite only having things to lose, I trust what they say more than the math saying its unlikely.
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Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
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Posted - 2007.09.15 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor Im not crazy, I just think differently than you guys. While you rely on math formulas telling you that the chance of aliens visiting earth is not likely, I look at the signs of their existence in our history, the current ufo fleets and the tons of credible witnesses saying there are aliens.
Thats the difference really. I dont know how to explain it better. I think in essence, when a large amount of people go public with alien knowledge despite only having things to lose, I trust what they say more than the math saying its unlikely.
You're what I like to call a True Believer. You trust what others tell you, even when it flies directly in the face of basic knowledge or statements to the opposite made by more qualified (or more numerous) people. And when presented with a contrary argument, you quickly disregard or claim that it's countered by the previous unproven information, and then continue with your prior line of thought. It's not bark-at-the-moon crazy, but it's still a kind of crazy. Doesn't mean I dislike you; we're all a little crazy around here. ^_^
Still, a discussion best left to a different thread.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.09.15 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Amarria Black
You're what I like to call a True Believer. You trust what others tell you, even when it flies directly in the face of basic knowledge or statements to the opposite made by more qualified (or more numerous) people. And when presented with a contrary argument, you quickly disregard or claim that it's countered by the previous unproven information, and then continue with your prior line of thought. It's not bark-at-the-moon crazy, but it's still a kind of crazy. Doesn't mean I dislike you; we're all a little crazy around here. ^_^
Still, a discussion best left to a different thread.
Well, I would express it more like "listening" to what others tell me, not automatically trusting it. If I trusted everything I heard, I would indeed be or become crazy. :)
That what they say flies in the face of our knowledge doesnt stop me, thats very true. In fact, it encourages me. If you have two sides of something, its interesting for me to look at both sides, instead of checking credibility and deciding on that alone. I do think people put too much faith in credibility and dont realize that being credible very often is the same as "not contradicting common belief". You dont get a credible reputation by thinking differently to your colleagues for example. But you may still be right.
And yes, I do disregard things like probability or common knowledge, because both of those change constantly as we discover more and more things. For example, a math formula doesnt stop me from thinking there are aliens, thats a good example.
I simply make up my own mind. And im not often wrong, so thats why I have learned to trust my instincts despite people constantly telling me im wrong until the actual "impossible" thing happens.
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SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2007.09.15 11:17:00 -
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Personally I think the "ASSBURGERSLOL" thing on the internet is way over rated.
I think lots of people are just poorly socialised generally and spend way too much time in front of the PC.
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Great Artista
Caldari Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.09.15 11:32:00 -
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This could be a Veto recruitement thread.
No offence there, I lub you guys lots! Even Hussie... _______
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Templer Relleg
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.09.15 11:33:00 -
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Edited by: Templer Relleg on 15/09/2007 11:33:41
Originally by: Great Artista This could be a Veto recruitement thread.
No offence there, I lub you guys lots! Even Hussie...
Is this bad?
Btw. im sad how this thread got derailed. I asked how many actually have this syndrome, and we get a pointless discussion, which makes no sense.
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Great Artista
Caldari Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.09.15 11:40:00 -
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Sorry for derail... No, I dont have it diagnosed, lack of empathy however was diagnosed when I went thru some psychological test. (I had to do it because of somewhat serious depression) _______
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.09.15 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Great Artista Sorry for derail... No, I dont have it diagnosed, lack of empathy however was diagnosed when I went thru some psychological test. (I had to do it because of somewhat serious depression)
Interesting. Have you always felt that way (lack of empathy)?
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Great Artista
Caldari Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.09.15 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Great Artista Sorry for derail... No, I dont have it diagnosed, lack of empathy however was diagnosed when I went thru some psychological test. (I had to do it because of somewhat serious depression)
Interesting. Have you always felt that way (lack of empathy)?
No, I grew into that for reasons nobody but me knows and that fact is not going to change here. _______
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.09.15 11:51:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 15/09/2007 11:52:36
Originally by: Great Artista
No, I grew into that for reasons nobody but me knows and that fact is not going to change here.
No problem. :)
Sorry to hear about it though... but if you grew into it because of some external event, it should be able to be cured as well. Not that im an expert or anything.
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Templer Relleg
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.09.15 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Great Artista Sorry for derail... No, I dont have it diagnosed, lack of empathy however was diagnosed when I went thru some psychological test. (I had to do it because of somewhat serious depression)
It wasnt you who derailed it. It was DS
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Rana Ash
Minmatar Aeon Trinity
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Posted - 2007.09.15 13:50:00 -
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Intresting i found this thread after reading an article about asbergers.
I did this Testand scored a 5 which is low.
A friend of mine scored 35 and her son which is diagnosed scored 45..
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Templer Relleg
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.09.15 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Rana Ash Intresting i found this thread after reading an article about asbergers.
I did this Testand scored a 5 which is low.
A friend of mine scored 35 and her son which is diagnosed scored 45..
I scored 47. But its just a test, not a way of diagnosing.
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DubanFP
Caldari Four Rings D-L
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Posted - 2007.09.15 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Rana Ash Intresting i found this thread after reading an article about asbergers.
I did this Testand scored a 5 which is low.
A friend of mine scored 35 and her son which is diagnosed scored 45..
Got a 17 which is the exact number given for a "normal" man. Had I taken the test 3-4 years ago I probebly would have gotten much higher score. So far from what i've heard there is a few very select traits of Asberger's that are like my life story. Yet others that are exactly the opposite. Very interesting stuff though. ___________
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Chronus26
Gallente Team Laser Explosion Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.09.15 14:46:00 -
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I do have quite a lot of the 'qualities' of it, but I've never been diagnosed. I was diagnosed with Dyspraxia at an early age and am almost definatly mildly dyslexic.
I don't really like to 'brand' myself with things like this, so I don't really discuss it with anybody in real life. The internets are different though, so bleh. I do have a lot of 'unique' personality traits though. -----
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.09.15 15:08:00 -
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23 on the test. Im going to do it again after I have ate something though, I stressed through it a bit since im hungry.
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GPerson
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2007.09.15 15:35:00 -
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Hmm, 37 on that test.
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Micheal Dietrich
Cynical Cartel
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Posted - 2007.09.15 17:12:00 -
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26 in that test
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Lal QelThyr
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.09.15 17:35:00 -
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Also dyspraxic, along with mild ADHD and Dylexia. My motor functions are crap, I couldnt speak properly when younger (had to attend speech therapy for 3 years, age 3-6), I have an over-sensitivity to temperature (I cant stand hot enviroments, and am most confortable in strangly cold enviroments), I couldnt tell my left from my right untill I was 10, and my ambidextrousness is supposedly formed from it. (- Dev Protective Shield. My sig is invincible! -) |
Warp away
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Posted - 2007.09.15 17:37:00 -
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Wouldnt mind a bit of assburgars, if you know what I mean. *nudge nudge hint hint
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.09.15 17:40:00 -
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On my second attempt I got 21. Its still higher than I would have liked, but this time I cant really blame it on anything. :)
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Templer Relleg
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.09.15 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
On my second attempt I got 21. Its still higher than I would have liked, but this time I cant really blame it on anything. :)
At least thats less than 35.
Im still confused over a score of 47. Seems pretty extreme.
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Stickleback
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Posted - 2007.09.15 19:19:00 -
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36
Hmmm.
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Rana Ash
Minmatar Aeon Trinity
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Posted - 2007.09.15 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Templer Relleg
Originally by: Jim McGregor
On my second attempt I got 21. Its still higher than I would have liked, but this time I cant really blame it on anything. :)
At least thats less than 35.
Im still confused over a score of 47. Seems pretty extreme.
Well i felt the questions where rather ambigous (hope i spelled that right), i mean another day when i could have been tired. The test might have given me a higher score, if you got a high score and is worried. Do as it said on the first page contact your doctor, but i would'nt worry. Over the results of this test..
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Gindar
Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.09.16 00:48:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 14/09/2007 14:57:20 Asperger's in my experience tends to be applied rather liberally as a label these days; its basically applied to anyone who isn't actually autistic, but is too smart to be fit into the usual "societal norms" of being a blathering idiot, and so the person is declared to have "Asperger's" because they're not perfectly ordinary.
Since EVE has a more intelligent userbase than many games (mostly due to the learning curve), its not a surprise that we'd have more people declared "too smart" by the doctors desperately trying to find a label for people who can't be pigeonholed.
OK, so I'm cynical.
seconded.
i was said to have it but it's just becuase i'm a shy guy with above average intelligence.
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Caid Lemant
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Posted - 2007.09.16 02:43:00 -
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Originally by: Gindar i was said to have it but it's just becuase i'm a shy guy with above average intelligence.
I'm interested in who said you had it and at what point in your life? --------
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Great Artista
Caldari Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.09.16 02:55:00 -
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33 on that test. _______
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Alty MacAlterson
Alt Corporation Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2007.09.16 05:16:00 -
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I have burgers in my ass do I have Assburgers?
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