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Dok Ok	Posted - 2007.09.15 19:44:00 - [1] I was in concord protected empire space, i took from some guys wreck and he started shooting me, he went flashing red so i started shooting him back, after about 5 minutes or more of our fighting, he died, when he died, i took a security status hit and 10 seconds later concord came and blew up my ship, costing me about 500m worth of modules. What the hell happend? Why did concord come? He attacked me first and he had the right to because i had taken from his wreck, but that gave me the right to shoot him back and kill him, why did i lose sec status and concord come to kill me? Normally you lose sec status as soon as you shoot someone and then again when or if you kill them, although in these circumstances concord should not have helped. If i petition will i get my stuff back? Assuming all i have said is truth.
Venec Rave Technologies Inc. Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.09.15 19:46:00 - [2] Did you popped the pod? y/n
Cambarus Kissaki Confederation Slammer's Republic	Posted - 2007.09.15 19:46:00 - [3] Edited by: Cambarus on 15/09/2007 19:46:29 What ship were you using? Did it have smartbombs? If you did something to hurt his pod that would be the reason for your being concordokkened.
Dok Ok	Posted - 2007.09.15 19:48:00 - [4] Originally by: Cambarus Edited by: Cambarus on 15/09/2007 19:46:29 What ship were you using? Did it have smartbombs? If you did something to hurt his pod that would be the reason for your being concordokkened. I was using a cruiser, no smartbombs, had drones and pulse lasers on his ship till he popped and i didn't do anything to his pod.
Venec Rave Technologies Inc. Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.09.15 19:49:00 - [5] Maybe the drones went after his pod. Stupid buggers.
CharlieMurphy Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.09.15 19:51:00 - [6] Originally by: Dok Ok If i petition will i get my stuff back? Assuming all i have said is truth. depends if the GM feels like it you may very well get told that because their logs show nothing unusual they cannot verify the existance of concord only way to find out is try
Dok Ok	Posted - 2007.09.15 19:51:00 - [7] I didn't lock his pod so don't see how they could have. Also one other thing is shortly before he died i noticed a change in his ship, couldn't pin my finger on what it was, i thought he'd unlocked me but noticed he still had me locked. Now i think perhaps the change is that he stopped flashing red to me... which would be impossible. The fight only started around 5 minutes ago AND as the fight goes on the 15 minute aggression timer keeps reseting to 15 minutes.
Dok Ok	Posted - 2007.09.15 20:01:00 - [8] Trying to find my gamelogs in my eve folder to see if they tell anything, don't see any... nor do i see a cache folder... anyone know where the logs are and why i don't have a cache?
WGAnubis Marrith Gallente	Posted - 2007.09.15 20:07:00 - [9] Originally by: Dok Ok I didn't lock his pod so don't see how they could have. Also one other thing is shortly before he died i noticed a change in his ship, couldn't pin my finger on what it was, i thought he'd unlocked me but noticed he still had me locked. Now i think perhaps the change is that he stopped flashing red to me... which would be impossible. The fight only started around 5 minutes ago AND as the fight goes on the 15 minute aggression timer keeps reseting to 15 minutes. My drones will occsionally continue going after enemies after they killed the inital target so its not out of the world of possibilities that your drones continued on with their attack.
Vienna Gates Caldari	Posted - 2007.09.15 20:09:00 - [10] Originally by: Dok Ok Trying to find my gamelogs in my eve folder to see if they tell anything, don't see any... nor do i see a cache folder... anyone know where the logs are and why i don't have a cache? look in your documents in eve folder.
zeeZ Exus Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.09.15 20:09:00 - [11] Originally by: Dok Ok Trying to find my gamelogs in my eve folder to see if they tell anything, don't see any... nor do i see a cache folder... anyone know where the logs are and why i don't have a cache? That stuff moved to My Documents/EVE/... a few patches ago IIRC
Dok Ok	Posted - 2007.09.15 20:15:00 - [12] [ 2007.09.15 19:28:04 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II hits Wyngy [STICC], doing 59.0 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:28:04 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II places an excellent hit on Wyngy [STICC], inflicting 81.5 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:28:06 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II is well aimed at Wyngy [STICC], inflicting 64.5 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:28:07 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II places an excellent hit on Wyngy [STICC], inflicting 88.6 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:28:08 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II places an excellent hit on Wyngy [STICC], inflicting 88.4 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:28:10 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II hits Wyngy [STICC], doing 69.9 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:28:11 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II hits Wyngy [STICC], doing 54.8 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:28:11 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II is well aimed at Wyngy [STICC], inflicting 73.1 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:28:13 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II hits Wyngy [STICC], doing 136.9 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:28:14 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II is well aimed at Wyngy [STICC], inflicting 173.0 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:28:14 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II is well aimed at Wyngy [STICC], inflicting 168.9 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:28:16 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II hits Wyngy [STICC], doing 133.3 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:28:17 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II barely scratches Wyngy [STICC], causing 78.7 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:28:17 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II lightly hits Wyngy [STICC], doing 94.9 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:28:19 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II places an excellent hit on Wyngy [STICC], inflicting 194.4 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:28:20 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II hits Wyngy [STICC], doing 133.7 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:28:21 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II is well aimed at Wyngy [STICC], inflicting 164.1 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:28:23 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II hits Wyngy [STICC], doing 126.0 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:28:24 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II is well aimed at Wyngy [STICC], inflicting 147.1 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:28:24 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II lightly hits Wyngy [STICC], doing 97.2 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:28:26 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II places an excellent hit on Wyngy [STICC], inflicting 183.3 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:28:27 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II hits Wyngy [STICC], doing 108.1 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:28:27 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II barely scratches Wyngy [STICC], causing 85.0 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:28:29 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II barely scratches Wyngy [STICC], causing 88.5 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:28:29 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II perfectly strikes Wyngy [STICC], wrecking for 425.8 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:28:31 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II hits Wyngy [STICC], doing 136.1 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:28:32 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II hits Wyngy [STICC], doing 130.9 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:28:33 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II places an excellent hit on Wyngy [STICC], inflicting 118.3 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:28:41 ] (notify) For initiating combat your security status has been adjusted by -0.1000.
Dok Ok	Posted - 2007.09.15 20:16:00 - [13] That was the end of the fight, here is the start of the fight [ 2007.09.15 19:24:20 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Widowmaker Heavy Missile belonging to Wyngy hits you, doing 76.1 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:24:21 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Widowmaker Heavy Missile belonging to Wyngy hits you, doing 76.1 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:24:21 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Widowmaker Heavy Missile belonging to Wyngy hits you, doing 76.1 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:24:21 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Widowmaker Heavy Missile belonging to Wyngy hits you, doing 76.1 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:24:22 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Widowmaker Heavy Missile belonging to Wyngy hits you, doing 76.1 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:24:22 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Widowmaker Heavy Missile belonging to Wyngy hits you, doing 76.1 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:24:23 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Widowmaker Heavy Missile belonging to Wyngy hits you, doing 76.1 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:24:29 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II lightly hits Wyngy [STICC], doing 37.2 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:24:29 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II places an excellent hit on Wyngy [STICC], inflicting 86.5 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:24:29 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II is well aimed at Wyngy [STICC], inflicting 71.9 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:24:30 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Widowmaker Heavy Missile belonging to Wyngy hits you, doing 76.1 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:24:31 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Widowmaker Heavy Missile belonging to Wyngy hits you, doing 76.1 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:24:31 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Widowmaker Heavy Missile belonging to Wyngy hits you, doing 76.1 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:24:32 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Widowmaker Heavy Missile belonging to Wyngy hits you, doing 76.1 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:24:32 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Widowmaker Heavy Missile belonging to Wyngy hits you, doing 76.1 damage.
Dok Ok	Posted - 2007.09.15 20:17:00 - [14] You can see he attacked me first and there was a 4-5 minute time difference between him first attacking me and me shooting back and him finally dying, you can also see i lost sec status when he died and that is what triggered concord to come after me. So what the hell?
Dok Ok	Posted - 2007.09.15 20:18:00 - [15] You can also see that near the end of the fight he had stopped shooting me back.
Drizit Amarr Lonely out here Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.15 20:26:00 - [16] You used missiles? Maybe the last one hit the pod because the ship was gone. If it exploded at the same time as the ship, the blast could have hit the pod. --
Dok Ok	Posted - 2007.09.15 20:27:00 - [17] Originally by: Drizit You used missiles? Maybe the last one hit the pod because the ship was gone. If it exploded at the same time as the ship, the blast could have hit the pod. No, he was using missiles, i was using pulse lasers and guns.
Drizit Amarr Lonely out here Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.15 20:29:00 - [18] Originally by: Dok Ok Edited by: Dok Ok on 15/09/2007 20:28:17 [uote=Drizit]You used missiles? Maybe the last one hit the pod because the ship was gone. If it exploded at the same time as the ship, the blast could have hit the pod. No, he was using missiles, i was using pulse lasers and drones. I had no AE weapons, i also have my settings set so that if i try to perform an act in empire that would result in concord killing me i would first be warning and have to click accept. Yea sorry, I re-read and saw it --
Dok Ok	Posted - 2007.09.15 20:40:00 - [19] Edited by: Dok Ok on 15/09/2007 20:42:12 Edited by: Dok Ok on 15/09/2007 20:41:34 [ 2007.09.15 19:28:24 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II lightly hits Wyngy [STICC], doing 97.2 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:28:26 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II places an excellent hit on Wyngy [STICC], inflicting 183.3 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:28:27 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II hits Wyngy [STICC], doing 108.1 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:28:27 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II barely scratches Wyngy [STICC], causing 85.0 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:28:29 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II barely scratches Wyngy [STICC], causing 88.5 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:28:29 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II perfectly strikes Wyngy [STICC], wrecking for 425.8 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:28:31 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II hits Wyngy [STICC], doing 136.1 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:28:32 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II hits Wyngy [STICC], doing 130.9 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:28:33 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II places an excellent hit on Wyngy [STICC], inflicting 118.3 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:28:41 ] (notify) For initiating combat your security status has been adjusted by -0.1000. The last hit before i lost security status was me blowing his ship up. You see i lost security status, but for what action? No action because i took no actions, the only thing i had locked at the time was on my own drones and i've tested shooting my own drones in empire just to see what would happen, concord doesn't come for you. I didn't even receive any "are you sure you wish to do this as concord may come for you etc etc" warning. He popped, i lost sec status immediately and concord came and blew me up. The action of killing is ship is what triggered my sec loss and concord coming for me. We had been fighting for 5 minutes and he attacked me first! I didn't even touch any modules as he popped anyway, just sat there, watched him die and me take a sec hit for it and thought "crap, wtf i took a sec hit? Great concords gonna bust me for nothing..."
Dok Ok	Posted - 2007.09.15 20:45:00 - [20] Edited by: Dok Ok on 15/09/2007 20:45:23 Another thing i've noticed in the log is that i took the sec hit about 7-8 seconds after i fired the last shot, during this time the only thing i had locked was my own drones and i was calling them back. Nothing i could have done would have triggered concord.
Venec Rave Technologies Inc. Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.09.15 20:57:00 - [21] Sucks, petition it.
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.09.15 21:01:00 - [22] Edited by: DubanFP on 15/09/2007 21:01:18 Agression timers don't run out mid-combat anyways. They reset every time you fire on him, or he fires on you "for both parties". ___________ Desolacer> Who the heck gives YOU the right to ruin it for others buy blowing them up. Zaqar> CCP
Dok Ok	Posted - 2007.09.15 21:10:00 - [23] Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 15/09/2007 21:01:18 Agression timers don't run out mid-combat anyways. They reset every time you fire on him, or he fires on you "for both parties". Yeah i realise this, none of this seems to make any sense. All i can think of is this was a bug.
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2007.09.15 21:23:00 - [24] Originally by: Dok Ok [ 2007.09.15 19:28:33 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II places an excellent hit on Wyngy [STICC], inflicting 118.3 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:28:41 ] (notify) For initiating combat your security status has been adjusted by -0.1000. If this is really what is in your logs, then it wasn't that last shot that triggered the criminal flag, since it's separated by 9 seconds. When you do something that flags you as a criminal, you'll get the "security status adjusted" log entry like you did, immediately followed by the action that caused the criminal flag to be assigned. So my question is, do you have any log entry showing you attacking something after the log entries i quoted? Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Bernado Guye	Posted - 2007.09.15 21:29:00 - [25] I had the same thing happen when I targeted myself with a shield repair drone in a mission. (ya..I know...it doesn;t work on yuorself) Got a 15 minute red "criminal" tag on myself...Fortunately I was deep in a mission that wasn't over until the timer ran out.
Stakhanov Katana's Edge	Posted - 2007.09.15 21:29:00 - [26] Well , drones don't give log entries. I guess they are to blame. I suppose they are programmed to attack whatever is aggressed to you , but in highsec it's not allowed to pod without wardecs. Originally by: Cipher7 If you manage to get baited, what's your skill, being a good victim?
Dok Ok	Posted - 2007.09.15 21:46:00 - [27] Originally by: Tamia Clant Originally by: Dok Ok [ 2007.09.15 19:28:33 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II places an excellent hit on Wyngy [STICC], inflicting 118.3 damage. [ 2007.09.15 19:28:41 ] (notify) For initiating combat your security status has been adjusted by -0.1000. If this is really what is in your logs, then it wasn't that last shot that triggered the criminal flag, since it's separated by 9 seconds. When you do something that flags you as a criminal, you'll get the "security status adjusted" log entry like you did, immediately followed by the action that caused the criminal flag to be assigned. So my question is, do you have any log entry showing you attacking something after the log entries i quoted? No, the next thing in the log shows my initiating warp to a planet and then concord killing me.
Dok Ok	Posted - 2007.09.15 21:47:00 - [28] Originally by: Stakhanov Well , drones don't give log entries. I guess they are to blame. I suppose they are programmed to attack whatever is aggressed to you , but in highsec it's not allowed to pod without wardecs. Called my drones back as soon as he died so not sure on that.
WulfWestphal Minmatar Niflhel TALIONIS ALLIANCE	Posted - 2007.09.15 21:52:00 - [29] my drones has attacked other targets even if i had no lock on them numerous times. think it were the drones that caused the aggression. the sec hit is clearly for initiating combat and some seconds after the last hit. then again if you had lock or not has to show up in the logs i guess, so petioning might be worth it. escalate the petition to a senior if the first answer dont satisfie you. the artificial dumbness of the drones is not your fault, after all... --- [insert witty sig-hijack here]
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.09.15 21:53:00 - [30] Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 15/09/2007 21:53:40 Originally by: Venec Sucks, petition it. Agreed that is the only thing he can do. But to be honest I bet he will get the, "Our logs show nothing amiss" (or however it reads) token response and be SOL. I recently lost 500m worth of ship and mods in a mission. One I have done dozens of times. Even had a mate with me. I died so fast it was as if I had no hardeners on at all and no repping (which I most certainly did...eyeballed it a dozen times to be sure as my ship was dying). My mate watching the whole thing was stunned. He, in a similar ship (tank/capability wise) soloed the rest of the mission with no problem whatsoever. Checked my logs and the last damage that my ship recorded taking was several minutes earlier in the previous room of the mission. Petitioned and got the ubiquitous, "We're very sorry for your loss but we can't do ****" response. Eh...sucks but whatever.

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