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Robdon	Posted - 2007.09.16 13:39:00 - [1] Hi, I have just got myself a Covert Op ship (Buzzard, with a Covert Ops Cloak II). I've been fitting it out for getting me out of a warp bubble if I jump into a system and I'm right in the middle of a bubble (ie double click, MWD & Cloak). So my MWD top speed is now > 2000. However, how do you cope with if you are warping to a gate, and you hit a bubble at the gate, and you end up 20km away from the gate. What is the best 'defence' against this? I'm thinking the same aproach, Aproach gate, MWD and cloak to get 1 MWD cycle, and once near the gate uncloak and jump??? Any suggestions on what is the best method?? Also, what rigs would people suggest for Covert Ops? If I'm just snooping around rather than any combat. Thanks, Rob D.
Skiving Larry	Posted - 2007.09.16 14:32:00 - [2] Edited by: Skiving Larry on 16/09/2007 14:32:20 Quote: What is the best 'defence' against this? Scan the gate before warping to it. (and go somewhere else if you don't like the chances of running the blockade)
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2007.09.16 14:35:00 - [3] probably some kind of astronautic rig, the one that enhances warp speed, if you want to scout ahead and move unmolested otherwise the recon probe timer reduction rig is ideal for covert ops as well fyi: unlike mobile disruptors, interdictor spheres cant be scanned via directional scan nor do they have an overview category ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Del Narveux Dukes of Hazard	Posted - 2007.09.16 14:40:00 - [4] I think the best defense in that case is to warp in from a slightly different angle, so youll land far enough away from any campers that they wont notice youre there. _________________ [SAK] Alumnus--And Proud Of It! -- aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base? Originally by: Wrangler Well, at least we have forum PvP..
Reem Fairchild	Posted - 2007.09.16 14:42:00 - [5] Originally by: Skiving Larry Scan the gate before warping to it. (and go somewhere else if you don't like the chances of running the blockade) This. An interceptor can do it without much of a problem, but in a covert ops I would warp to something that is within 14 au of the gate, scan the gate, and hold off if there's a strong camp there. If I had to go through though, I'd probably warp to the gate cloaked (but not straight from gate to gate, you have to get a different angle) and try to navigate my way to the gate while cloaked.
Skiving Larry	Posted - 2007.09.16 14:48:00 - [6] Edited by: Skiving Larry on 16/09/2007 14:48:26 Quote: fyi: unlike mobile disruptors, interdictor spheres cant be scanned via directional scan nor do they have an overview category This is not true, you just need to turn of the overview settings option on the scanner. (the bit about then not having a category is true)
Flaming Candle	Posted - 2007.09.16 15:00:00 - [7] Patience! move slowly to the gate, carefully avoiding the hostiles, remember that they will uncloak you if they get within 2k of you.
Robdon	Posted - 2007.09.16 15:26:00 - [8] ok, thanks for all the info guys... I'll practice a bit first, then give it a go :)
Skiving Larry	Posted - 2007.09.16 15:43:00 - [9] Oh, in case you don't know this one... If you need to scan a gate that's out of scan range from a warpable object you can warp part way by running your cap down very low before you warp . You might want to practice on something non-fatal tough
SoldierOfFortune Caldari Sheepish R and D	Posted - 2007.09.16 16:25:00 - [10] just warp in @ 100 cloaked from an odd angel and take a look lol then plan your escape ^^ "RAWR" is my keyword, and also my second language

Robdon	Posted - 2007.09.18 14:59:00 - [11] Hi, again. Just wanted to ask if you think its worth fitting an 'ECM Burst II' module. I'm planning to be cloaked most of the time, but wouldnt it be good to fit one of these to help drop drop locks on any people who target locks me, so that I can then cloak?? Or would most gatecampers have very high senor strengths, therefor it wont work most of the time? Thanks, Rob.
William Alex Viscosity	Posted - 2007.09.18 15:02:00 - [12] Originally by: SoldierOfFortune just warp in @ 100 cloaked from an odd angel and take a look lol then plan your escape ^^ good advice
34534bobalt3244	Posted - 2007.09.18 15:39:00 - [13] Bring Mothership. Bring Titan. ???? Profit!
Illyria Ambri RennTech	Posted - 2007.09.18 15:43:00 - [14] Why oh Why did CCP stop corpses from decloaking you.. but still allow them to prevent you from cloaking... I got popped at a bubble camp in a stealth bomber cause I couldn't cloak due to biomass being w/i 2km of me. Any covops or cloaker that tries to get past a gate camp better hope there is no corpses near their jumpin point. Cause if there is.. you can forget about cloaking.. ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Here come the Drums!! - The Master
Drizit Amarr Lonely out here Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.18 17:29:00 - [15] If you're in a Covops, you are already cloaked even if you hit the bubble. Getting out is the trick without getting too close to the campers. No need to hit MWD, they won't know you are there unless something decloaks you in the bubble. I'm not sure if the bubble itself will decloak you but I doubt it. Just look around and set a course out of the bubble, even if it's away from the gate. Once you can warp again, go to planet or other warpable object and try again from a different direction, preferably so you drop out of warp on the other side of the gate. Unless they have bubbles all around the gate, you'll get past. Even with the whole gate bubbled, you should find a route to the gate through holes in the defence. It would take a lot of ships to cover the whole gate so that nothing can find a 4km+ gap to squeeze through. --
Worsley	Posted - 2007.09.18 17:40:00 - [16] Edited by: Worsley on 18/09/2007 17:41:02 Edited by: Worsley on 18/09/2007 17:40:44 ^^^^^^^ Drizit has the answer. If you hit the bubble you are still cloaked. you do not (and can not) hit the mwd. You just sneak out, warp somewhere else to give you a different angle to the gate and then warp to the gate (or just head for the gate once out of the bubble). Problem solved.
the'internet is'for'porn	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:23:00 - [17] Originally by: Erotic Irony fyi: unlike mobile disruptors, interdictor spheres cant be scanned via directional scan nor do they have an overview category Wrong. You can indeed see warp disrupt probes on your scanner. To the OP: Cloak does not work inside the warp disruption or mobile disrupter bubble. Do a drained cap warp (warp, cancel warp with ctrl+space then repear until you have not enough cap to make it all the way) then scan the gate at 30 degrees. If there is a bubble and it's not a mobile warp bubble then hammer than make full speed towards the gate, hammer the scan button, and when the bubble disappears warp like your life depends on it. FYI: none of this will help you if there is a bubble up on the _other_ side of the gate. In that case the best bet is to make sure you are very zippy and hope you do not get webbed and can mwd out of scramble range. One last bit of advice, You can not avoid losing your covops. It will happen. If you can not afford to lose your cocps then don't use it :-)
Reem Fairchild	Posted - 2007.09.18 19:00:00 - [18] Originally by: the'internet is'for'**** To the OP: Cloak does not work inside the warp disruption or mobile disrupter bubble. They most definitely do work inside bubbles.
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2007.09.18 19:24:00 - [19] Cloaks do work in bubbles. If it is a large bubble you will have to find a way to the gate without getting within 2000 of something. If it is med or smaller you can find an object not in line with the bubble and warp around it. Warping to 100 will likely pull you into a bubble if it is large or you are in line. If you watch a gate often it is good to have a SS 400 or so away from it. That way you can warp to it without getting caught in any bubble and can still see objects near the gate on overview. If you jump into a large bubble align to the closest point out, hit mwd, then cloak and warp as soon as you are out of the bubble. If they have a nanno ship your prolly gonna die anyway. Certainty of death...small chance of success...what are we waiting for? - Gimli
the'internet is'for'porn	Posted - 2007.09.19 20:51:00 - [20] Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: the'internet is'for'**** To the OP: Cloak does not work inside the warp disruption or mobile disrupter bubble. They most definitely do work inside bubbles. New to me. Every time I've warped to a bubble I was decloaked by the bubble.

Verite Rendition Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2007.09.19 21:02:00 - [21] Originally by: the'internet is'for'** Originally by:** Reem Fairchild Originally by: the'internet is'for'**** To the OP: Cloak does not work inside the warp disruption or mobile disrupter bubble. They most definitely do work inside bubbles. New to me. Every time I've warped to a bubble I was decloaked by the bubble. You were decloaked by passing something within 2k, it wasn't the bubble that decloaked you. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD
DaveW Caldari South Park Development	Posted - 2007.09.19 21:04:00 - [22] If it's a well traveled route take the time to set BM's 200 KM above or below the gate. Jump to them, if the gate is clear you should be able to warp to the gate with the 'approach' option. If it's camped , just move in slow from you location. --------------------------------------------------- "If you can't stand the heat..., stay out of the Kitchen."
Tryptic Photon Gallente Asgard Protectorate Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.09.19 21:07:00 - [23] Originally by: the'internet is'for'**** New to me. Every time I've warped to a bubble I was decloaked by the bubble. A little while back I was keeping an eye on a gate camp in my covops. I warped off to check something, and came back a minute later but during that time a dictor had bubbled the gate. I was zoomed out so far I didn't notice I had been sucked into the bubble. For about 10 minutes I sat there doing stuff in corp chat not realizing I was inside the camp. Getting ready to leave I clicked on the show-ship icon and suddenly there was my cloaked ship sitting right between two red battleships inside the bubble. They were both about 5km away, I sheepishly eased my ship out of the camp and jumped through the gate.
Reem Fairchild	Posted - 2007.09.19 21:25:00 - [24] Originally by: the'internet is'for'** Originally by:** Reem Fairchild Originally by: the'internet is'for'**** To the OP: Cloak does not work inside the warp disruption or mobile disrupter bubble. They most definitely do work inside bubbles. New to me. Every time I've warped to a bubble I was decloaked by the bubble. It's a common gate camp tactic to make a jet can (dropping a single unit of ammo or something) at the edge of the bubble, aligned with the gate you expect people to be warping in from. Cloaker warps in and is decloaked on arrival. That's why you should warp to a planet or something first then warp towards the gate, so you come in from a different angle.
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.19 22:07:00 - [25] Originally by: Tryptic Photon Originally by: the'internet is'for'**** New to me. Every time I've warped to a bubble I was decloaked by the bubble. A little while back I was keeping an eye on a gate camp in my covops. I warped off to check something, and came back a minute later but during that time a dictor had bubbled the gate. I was zoomed out so far I didn't notice I had been sucked into the bubble. For about 10 minutes I sat there doing stuff in corp chat not realizing I was inside the camp. Getting ready to leave I clicked on the show-ship icon and suddenly there was my cloaked ship sitting right between two red battleships inside the bubble. They were both about 5km away, I sheepishly eased my ship out of the camp and jumped through the gate. That must have been a brown-trousers moment. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Illyria Ambri RennTech	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:10:00 - [26] Originally by: Reem Fairchild It's a common gate camp tactic to make a jet can (dropping a single unit of ammo or something) at the edge of the bubble, aligned with the gate you expect people to be warping in from. Cloaker warps in and is decloaked on arrival. That's why you should warp to a planet or something first then warp towards the gate, so you come in from a different angle. Wasn't this fixexd in the recent patch.. cans, corpses and wrecks no longer uncloak you... However they DO still prevent you from cloaking ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Here come the Drums!! - The Master
Elmicker The Phoenix Rising FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:14:00 - [27] Originally by: Illyria Ambri cans, corpses and wrecks no longer uncloak you... Nope. All still should decloak you. It has to do with your transition from warp to real space, and whether you're already within 2km of the object. Happens all the time with gates, where you land @ 1500m, but are still cloaked. You can go right up to 0m and stay cloaked, but if you make physical contact with the gate or a new object comes within 2000m you're gone. Best tactic to avoid camps on your out gates is to scan before you warp in. ALWAYS scan if there's a neutral in local. Don't even take the chance. If there's no celestial object within scan range of the gate in question, simply warp, stop your warp, warp and stop your warp until your cap is empty. you should then be able to warp a fraction of the distance. Repeat until you're within 14AU @ scan at 5 degrees.
Stitcher Caldari legion of qui Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:27:00 - [28] On heavily travelled routes, try dropping a bookmark a few hundred kilometers off the gate and warp to it first if you large quantities of unfriendly types in the system. Given that the role of a covops is to provide juicy intel to its friends, your next step should be to sit there, watch them, and acquire a full list of which pilots are flying which ships. on the other hand, if you're flying solo, just figure out an alternate route. - The game is not the problem. The problem is that you are not adapting to the game.
Elmicker The Phoenix Rising FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:29:00 - [29] Originally by: Stitcher On heavily travelled routes, try dropping a bookmark a few hundred kilometers off the gate and warp to it first if you large quantities of unfriendly types in the system. Large bubbles will almost certainly pull you in from these bookmarks. Scan from off-grid. Always safer. Also. Not "large quantities" but ANY quantity. All it takes is one sneaky bugger in a sabre and you and your cargo are screwed.
Stitcher Caldari legion of qui Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:35:00 - [30] Originally by: Elmicker Originally by: Stitcher On heavily travelled routes, try dropping a bookmark a few hundred kilometers off the gate and warp to it first if you large quantities of unfriendly types in the system. Large bubbles will almost certainly pull you in from these bookmarks. Scan from off-grid. Always safer. Also. Not "large quantities" but ANY quantity. All it takes is one sneaky bugger in a sabre and you and your cargo are screwed. I did say a few HUNDRED. I've never been pulled off my overwatch points, ever. The trick is to put them a ways off to either side of the gate, not in the line you'll be warping along. if your warp tunnel doesn't come withing 100km of the bubble, you're safe from being pulled in. Off-grid is nice, but the one thing it doesn't allow you to do is report back to your FC and tell him which name corresponds to what ship. My way allows the scout to give the FC enough info to pre-emptively call primary and secondary. - The game is not the problem. The problem is that you are not adapting to the game.



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