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Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 11:37:00 - [91] Edited by: Death Kill on 17/09/2007 11:38:01 Originally by: ry ry no. you don't steal things because something bad will happen if you're caught. Speak for yourself. Quote: the only difference is religions believe an omnipotent god knows what you've done without the police having to catch you. Yes the heavenly dictator. If you dont follow his wishes you will spend an eternity in pain and suffering. Quote: which religions still state that black people have no soul? i understand there are lots of black christians. Thats because of the moral zeitgest. (look it up) In ww2 it was perfectly acceptable to carpet bomb civillians...today it is not. Are you honestly suggesting that religion had anything to do with this change? Quote: why on earth would i pretend not to believe in god if i did? The way you defend it. It's not rational. STAND OUT!
Mary Makepeace Caldari Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.09.17 11:38:00 - [92] Originally by: Death Kill Edited by: Death Kill on 17/09/2007 11:31:40 Originally by: Mary Makepeace I work at university in chemistry and probably half the scientists, if not more have faith in one region or another. there is probably a larger proportion of atheists than you will find in most professional communities though. I cant recall where I heard it (will dig it up) but surveys show that over 98% of ALL scientists are atheists. i would like to see that, it is absolutely in contrast with everything i have observed. Originally by: Death Kill Quote: Science and religion is not actually incompatible, all of the faith based articles in religion, even miracles are individual events that are unreproducible, so they are outside of scientific investigation. Yes it is. Science begins where alchemy ends just like religion ends where philosophy begins. You cannot solve an equation with 'miracle'. Any scientist claiming otherwise is a liar and a disgrace. try reading what i wrote, i said what you did, but that a scientist can have faith, but not use it in their work, as it has no place in scientific method.
B0rn2KiLL DEATHFUNK Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.09.17 11:40:00 - [93] Originally by: Death Kill Prayers, what are they gonna solve? Why didnt you pray that he shouldnt die instead? you give atheists a bad rep. geh. --- Originally by: Oveur It's important to understand that EVE is a "PvP" focused game
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 11:40:00 - [94] Edited by: Death Kill on 17/09/2007 11:41:29 Originally by: Mary Makepeace i would like to see that, it is absolutely in contrast with everything i have observed. Edward J. Larson, professor of law and the history of science at the University of Georgia, and science journalist Larry Witham, both theists, polled National Academy of Sciences members in 1998 and provided further confirmation of Leuba's conjecture. Using Leuba's definitions of God and immortality for direct comparison, they found lower percentages of believers. Only 10 percent of NAS scientists believed in God or immortality, with those figures dropping to 5 percent among biologists. I wasnt entirely accurate as you can tell, as it shows that biologists are more likaly to be atheist than scientists. Still, its 90%. I will try to find a pdf. STAND OUT!
Turiya Flesharrower coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.09.17 11:43:00 - [95] I have to admit that I'm a bit peeved that Jordan didn't get to finish the series; I was looking forward to it finally ending. I hate to say it, but if he'd spend less time writing florid descriptions of the female characters' attire and vapid conversations he might have been able to fit in more material that actually had something to do with the plot. In any case, my condolences to his family. Death Kill, your philosophical arguments have no place here. Judging from the tone of your posts, you're almost certainly an adolescent with a high opinion of your own intelligence. In time you'll become more tolerant of other people's beliefs and stop wasting your time hypocritically trying to cram your own beliefs down the throats of others. On a personal note, I'm a little irked by your dismissal of agnosticism; if anything it's an even more open-minded stance than atheism. Atheists vehemently deny the existence of god while agnostics neither believe in or deny anything. At one point I considered myself to be an atheist, but really it's just another form of religion in that you're cementing your beliefs based on limited or no evidence. Rather than being open to any idea, you actively deny the possible existence of an omnipotent force in the universe and use that as a basis for your beliefs, isn't this just another mental cage? I'd recommend that you try to tone down your assaults on the religious views of others. Everyone likes to get attention, but it's important that you recognize that some methods of gaining attention are better than others. -----
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 11:45:00 - [96] Originally by: Sir Scorpion No sir you not only fail in arguments you fail life àgo die. How very Christian of you. Your pastor must be proud. STAND OUT!
Sir Scorpion Black Banners	Posted - 2007.09.17 11:45:00 - [97] And since when did America become the measurement tool to the history of science?
Sir Scorpion Black Banners	Posted - 2007.09.17 11:46:00 - [98] Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: Sir Scorpion No sir you not only fail in arguments you fail life àgo die. How very Christian of you. Your pastor must be proud. lol shows how wrong you are
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2007.09.17 11:47:00 - [99] Originally by: Turiya Flesharrower Death Kill, your philosophical arguments have no place here. Originally by: Turiya Flesharrower In time you'll become more tolerant of other people's beliefs and stop wasting your time hypocritically trying to cram your own beliefs down the throats of others. comedy thread is go ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Turiya Flesharrower coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.09.17 11:49:00 - [100] Originally by: Erotic Irony comedy thread is go Manners, not philosophical stance. Recognize the difference? -----
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 11:49:00 - [101] Edited by: Death Kill on 17/09/2007 11:52:34 Originally by: Turiya Flesharrower On a personal note, I'm a little irked by your dismissal of agnosticism; if anything it's an even more open-minded stance than atheism. Atheists vehemently deny the existence of god while agnostics neither believe in or deny anything. Atheist doesnt really deny the existance of god, we simply say that there is no evidence what so ever to think he exists. You cant prove that Jahve/god/allah exists anymore than you can prove that Thor, Zeus or apollo exists. Quote: At one point I considered myself to be an atheist, but really it's just another form of religion in that you're cementing your beliefs based on limited or no evidence. Completely false. Religion is faith based on miracles, eye witnesses in other words no evidence what so ever...while atheism is lack of faith based on lack of evidence. atheism isnt a system of belief. Quote: Rather than being open to any idea, you actively deny the possible existence of an omnipotent force in the universe and use that as a basis for your beliefs, isn't this just another mental cage? I'm wide open, its just that I have yet to see any reasonable evidence that supports the claim of a higher being. Quote: I'd recommend that you try to tone down your assaults on the religious views of others. Everyone likes to get attention, but it's important that you recognize that some methods of gaining attention are better than others. Noted. But the ones that ough to calm down is all the tolerant Christians here telling me to die and what not. Funny how you can get away with almost anything as long as you say you are a man of faith. STAND OUT!
Caid Lemant	Posted - 2007.09.17 11:52:00 - [102] Read the first Wheel of Time book, never could get into the series personally. It had great scope, something you really don't see all that much in modern fiction. Too bad he couldn't finish the finale. Quote: I cant recall where I heard it (will dig it up) but surveys show that over 98% of ALL scientists are atheists. It's closer to 70% and even then a majority are agnostic (well those who truly are rational). On a side note. This thread is a depressing display from a moronic atheist. Moronic because he can't separate the wrong places from the correct places to bring up this discussion and as a repercussion tarnishes whatever he has to say - the ideas included. This is comparable to religious groups camping out a Plan Parent hood and heckling. Except in this instance all it takes is a single troll and plenty of people who can't help but respond to him. Stupidity begot more stupidity. -------- There is not enough love and goodness in the world for us to be permitted to give any of it away to imaginary things. Friedrich Nietzsche
ry ry StateCorp The State	Posted - 2007.09.17 11:57:00 - [103] Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: ry ry no. you don't steal things because something bad will happen if you're caught. Speak for yourself. then how does 'common sense' stop you stealing things? i'm genuinely curious. Quote: In ww2 it was perfectly accepted to carpet bomb civillians...today it is not. are you honestly suggesting that religion had anything to do with this change? no. show me where i said that. Quote: The way you defend it. It's not rational. hardly. you're making broad statements about ALL RELIGION BEING EVIL and i'm say that religion isn't inherently evil. the basic tenants of most religions are to be nice to other people and variations on that theme. Taking facts out of social context it's entirely possible to make obtuse statements like 'Christianity endorsed slavery' but at the time virtually everybody endorsed slavery. christians abolished slavery too. do you vote? more wars have been waged for political gain than religious and i think that's part of the problem you've got here; you object to people doing terrible things in the name of religion, but you're aiming your ire at the concept of religion.
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 11:58:00 - [104] Originally by: Caid Lemant Moronic because he can't separate the wrong places from the correct places to bring up this discussion No. This is a fight that should be fought everywhere. I'd really wish you would cut back on the abuse you hurt my feelings. STAND OUT!
Mary Makepeace Caldari Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.09.17 11:59:00 - [105] Originally by: Death Kill [ Edward J. Larson, professor of law and the history of science at the University of Georgia, and science journalist Larry Witham, both theists, polled National Academy of Sciences members in 1998 and provided further confirmation of Leuba's conjecture. Using Leuba's definitions of God and immortality for direct comparison, they found lower percentages of believers. Only 10 percent of NAS scientists believed in God or immortality, with those figures dropping to 5 percent among biologists. I wasnt entirely accurate as you can tell, as it shows that biologists are more likaly to be atheist than scientists. Still, its 90%. I will try to find a pdf. interesting study, here is some of what i was looking for Quote: Leuba defined a personal God as a "God to whom one may pray in the expectation of receiving an answer." thats a very specific definition of god. not of faith or of religion. the study is structured to lower the representation of people with faith who are scientists. Quote: Leuba considered an impersonal God as equivalent to pure naturalism and classified advocates of deism as nonbelievers. so your conclusion that anyone who is a scientist but does not believe in a "God to whom one may pray in the expectation of receiving an answer." is an atheist is also false.
Caid Lemant	Posted - 2007.09.17 12:01:00 - [106] Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: Caid Lemant Moronic because he can't separate the wrong places from the correct places to bring up this discussion No. This is a fight that should be fought everywhere. I'd really wish you would cut back on the abuse you hurt my feelings. No war should be 'fought everywhere'. Are you too thick to know when you're causing more damage to your own ideas than to those you're trying to dishevel? -------- There is not enough love and goodness in the world for us to be permitted to give any of it away to imaginary things. Friedrich Nietzsche
Ze4K DK Gallente Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.09.17 12:03:00 - [107] Originally by: Sir Scorpion Edited by: Sir Scorpion on 17/09/2007 11:34:22 Define history book there is nothing called ôHistory bookö ? Wait... what? That's like saying that pizza doesn't exist just because you never ate one...
ry ry StateCorp The State	Posted - 2007.09.17 12:04:00 - [108] Originally by: Death Kill Atheist doesnt really deny the existance of god, we simply say that there is no evidence what so ever to think he exists. err, yes it does. you're ~~antagonistic~~ agnostic.
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 12:07:00 - [109] Originally by: ry ry then how does 'common sense' stop you stealing things? i'm genuinely curious. It'not mine, I didnt pay for it. Theft were a punishable offense before the Judeochristian gods poisoned the land you know. Quote: ] no. show me where i said that. I was referring to you saying that religion changed the moral compass of man. (forgive me if I got you mixed up with a different person) Quote: hardly. you're making broad statements about ALL RELIGION BEING EVIL and i'm say that religion isn't inherently evil. the basic tenants of most religions are to be nice to other people and variations on that theme. well I'm not directly saying that religion is evil. I'm simply saying that there is no evidence and no reason really to belive in god....God himself well he qualefies as evil. Quote: Taking facts out of social context it's entirely possible to make obtuse statements like 'Christianity endorsed slavery' but at the time virtually everybody endorsed slavery. christians abolished slavery too. It was the civil rights movement that ended slavery and segregation in the US not religion. And the church changed its stance according to the evolving zeitgeist. Quote: do you vote? more wars have been waged for political gain than religious and i think that's part of the problem you've got here; you object to people doing terrible things in the name of religion, but you're aiming your ire at the concept of religion. As an atheist I might become religious tomorrow if I saw any evidence for it. This is a very healthy way of thinking, keeping an open mind. A man of faith does not have this option. He follows a set of rules carved in stone. this is very dangerous thinking. As for wars, religion has always been political one way or another. Religious people cant stand the thought of others living their lives as they want. We have seen it in the past, and we saw it when the conservative christians in America voted Bush&** into power. Vote no for * rights, and vote no for abortion because we know the mind of god. STAND OUT!
Tech Step Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.09.17 12:08:00 - [110] Originally by: ry ry then how does 'common sense' stop you stealing things? Your question was not directed at me, but I'll try and answer it nonetheless. In my opinion "common sense" is perhaps the wrong phrase, rather a sense of right and wrong is what would stop you. A sense of morals, in other words. This means that even though I do not believe in god, I would NOT commit, for example, murder, even if I knew I could get away with it. It is not only the fear of repercussions that stop people from committing crimes, it is a sense of morals, that do NOT necessarily come from their religious beliefs.
Turiya Flesharrower coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.09.17 12:15:00 - [111] Originally by: Death Kill Edited by: Death Kill on 17/09/2007 11:52:34 Atheist doesnt really deny the existance of god, we simply say that there is no evidence what so ever to think he exists. You cant prove that Jahve/god/allah exists anymore than you can prove that Thor, Zeus or apollo exists. Nope, that's agnosticism. Atheism (a-theism) is an active belief that god does not exist. If you believe that god doesn't exist, despite the lack of evidence supporting or denying your belief, then you have a system of belief in some form. Originally by: Death Kill Completely false. Religion is faith based on miracles, eye witnesses in other words no evidence what so ever...while atheism is lack of faith based on lack of evidence. atheism isnt a system of belief. See above. Originally by: Death Kill I'm wide open, its just that I have yet to see any reasonable evidence that supports the claim of a higher being. Technically then, you're an agnostic. Originally by: Death Kill Noted. But the ones that ough to calm down is all the tolerant Christians here telling me to die and what not. Funny how you can get away with almost anything as long as you say you are a man of faith. You're using your own lack of religious belief as a shield, just as they do with their own beliefs; how are you different from them? Why do you feel the need to turn this into a fight? You can't force someone to believe in what you believe through the use of aggressive arguments, at least not with any degree of reliability or success, so why bother? I don't want to sound insulting, but this whole debate just smells like an attempt to gain attention. -----
Caid Lemant	Posted - 2007.09.17 12:16:00 - [112] Quote: As an atheist I might become religious tomorrow if I saw any evidence for it. Then you're not an atheist. -------- There is not enough love and goodness in the world for us to be permitted to give any of it away to imaginary things. Friedrich Nietzsche
ry ry StateCorp The State	Posted - 2007.09.17 12:20:00 - [113] Edited by: ry ry on 17/09/2007 12:20:57 Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: ry ry then how does 'common sense' stop you stealing things? i'm genuinely curious. It'not mine, I didnt pay for it. Theft were a punishable offense before the Judeochristian gods poisoned the land you know. like i said, it's the threat of that punishment that deters you. basically what i was driving at is that a staunch believer would be much less likely to commit a crime hoping to get away with it if they thought their god knew everything they did, right? Quote: I was referring to you saying that religion changed the moral compass of man. yeah, wasn't me. Quote: Quote: christians abolished slavery too. It was the civil rights movement that ended slavery and segregation in the US not religion. the entire civil rights movement was atheist?! wow. Quote: A man of faith does not have this option. He follows a set of rules carved in stone. this is very dangerous thinking. and yet you also claim that religion modifying it's stance (based on the Zeitgeist, no less) is wrong too. make your mind up - you can either have a religion that sticks to it's guns and never changes regardless of the world changing around it or you can accept that society changes and everybody must adapt, even religion.
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 12:25:00 - [114] Originally by: Caid Lemant No war should be 'fought everywhere'. war? Quote: I'd really wish you would cut back on the abuse you hurt my feelings. Quote: Are you too thick see above STAND OUT!
Mary Makepeace Caldari Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.09.17 12:25:00 - [115] in principle i should be an agnostic, but as Richard Dawkins puts so elegantly here, i am really a teapot atheist
Ze4K DK Gallente Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.09.17 12:29:00 - [116] Originally by: Caid Lemant Quote: As an atheist I might become religious tomorrow if I saw any evidence for it. Then you're not an atheist. You sir are mistaken... If you do not believe that god exists and don't believe there's something out there or whatever then you're an atheist. Just because evidence would turn your views around doesn't make you agnostic, it makes you have a brain. If you're agnostic you already believe that there's something or someone out there, you just don't know what.
ry ry StateCorp The State	Posted - 2007.09.17 12:30:00 - [117] Originally by: Tech Step Originally by: ry ry then how does 'common sense' stop you stealing things? Your question was not directed at me, but I'll try and answer it nonetheless. In my opinion "common sense" is perhaps the wrong phrase, rather a sense of right and wrong is what would stop you. A sense of morals, in other words. This means that even though I do not believe in god, I would NOT commit, for example, murder, even if I knew I could get away with it. It is not only the fear of repercussions that stop people from committing crimes, it is a sense of morals, that do NOT necessarily come from their religious beliefs. i was going somewhere entirely different with that point to be honest. but yeah, morals. monkeys don't have morals. although, granted, they generally don't have shoes either. i fink the concept of morality is a pressure exerted by society, rather than a conclusion we naturally come to. but this has very little to do with the topic at hand, unless you want to discuss the extent to which religion has shaped our society, but i don't so you'll be flying solo on that one!
Caid Lemant	Posted - 2007.09.17 12:32:00 - [118] Originally by: Death Kill war? Are you having problems understanding what the word means? I heard dictionaries are wonderful. And I'm curious what abuse you're talking about because I'm still waiting for an answer. -------- There is not enough love and goodness in the world for us to be permitted to give any of it away to imaginary things. Friedrich Nietzsche
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 12:33:00 - [119] Edited by: Death Kill on 17/09/2007 12:35:27 Originally by: Turiya Flesharrower Nope, that's agnosticism. Atheism (a-theism) is an active belief that god does not exist. No any atheist would change his stance based on evidence. As of now, thereis simply nothing that dictates the existance of a god. If an angel descended on times square at the new years eve countdown then we would be willing to give this religion stuff a second chance. Quote: Technically then, you're an agnostic. No I'm atheist, or anti-theist as I much more prefer. Quote: You're using your own lack of religious belief as a shield, just as they do with their own beliefs; how are you different from them? Why do you feel the need to turn this into a fight? Not at all. If you read through this thread you will soon discover that I have debated in a rather calm manner and that the otherside has been horribly abusive. Why does it have to be a fight? A fight of minds perhaps? I see no harm in interacting with people and asking them reasonable questions about their faith. Quote: You can't force someone to believe in what you believe through the use of aggressive arguments, at least not with any degree of reliability or success, so why bother? I dont try to force anyone into anything. I do hope however, that when confronted by logical questions regarding their belief they will pause and think instead on relying on bible quotes as defence. Why cant we critisize religion? Because you cant! why not? You just cant! Quote: I don't want to sound insulting, but this whole debate just smells like an attempt to gain attention. None insult taken. Unlike others, you are not being rude and its a pleasure to argue with you. STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 12:34:00 - [120] Originally by: Caid Lemant Originally by: Death Kill war? Are you having problems understanding what the word means? I heard dictionaries are wonderful. And I'm curious what abuse you're talking about because I'm still waiting for an answer. I understand the word perfectly. I'm just trying to figure out where the war is. Are you some type of soldier? STAND OUT!

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