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Death Kill
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Posted - 2007.09.17 12:38:00 -
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 Originally by: ry ry
but yeah, morals. monkeys don't have morals
Monkeys are fully capable of feeling sorrow, joy , regret and pretty much any other feeling we know of. Monkeys have their morals and norms within their flock.
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Posted - 2007.09.17 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ze4K DK
Originally by: Caid Lemant
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As an atheist I might become religious tomorrow if I saw any evidence for it.
Then you're not an atheist.
You sir are mistaken...
If you do not believe that god exists and don't believe there's something out there or whatever then you're an atheist.
Just because evidence would turn your views around doesn't make you agnostic, it makes you have a brain.
If you're agnostic you already believe that there's something or someone out there, you just don't know what.
Atheism is the doctrine or belief that there is no god. If evidence would sway you, you're not an atheist because you don't pertain to the belief.
You have agnosticism completely wrong. It's the claim that there is uncertainty inherent to all claims of knowledge. That there is no ability to actually prove or disprove any kind of divine. There's no belief involved.
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Posted - 2007.09.17 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Death Kill
Monkeys are fully capable of feeling sorrow, joy , regret and pretty much any other feeling we know of.
emotions aren't morals.
morals are a far more complicated concept.
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Posted - 2007.09.17 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Caid Lemant
Atheism is the doctrine or belief that there is no god.
Based on lack of evidence.
Stop talking about things you know nothing about. Youre trolling at best and not very entertaining.
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Posted - 2007.09.17 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: ry ry
Originally by: Death Kill
Monkeys are fully capable of feeling sorrow, joy , regret and pretty much any other feeling we know of.
emotions aren't morals.
morals are a far more complicated concept.
Morals comes from emotions.
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Posted - 2007.09.17 12:40:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Death Kill
Originally by: Caid Lemant
Originally by: Death Kill
war?
Are you having problems understanding what the word means? I heard dictionaries are wonderful.
And I'm curious what abuse you're talking about because I'm still waiting for an answer.
I understand the word perfectly. I'm just trying to figure out where the war is.
Are you some type of soldier?
DK, I usually agree with you wholeheartedly, but flaming a RIP RJ thread? thats harsh man....
ow, and you are an agnostic, not an atheist. Atheists deny any from of divine entities. Agnostics are as follows:
Agnosticism (from the Greek a, meaning "without", and Gnosticism or gnosis, meaning "knowledge") is the philosophical view that the truth value of certain claimsùparticularly metaphysical claims regarding theology, afterlife or the existence of God, gods, deities, or even ultimate realityùis unknown or, depending on the form of agnosticism, inherently unknowledgable due to the nature of subjective experience.
Agnostics claim either that it is not possible to have absolute or certain knowledge of the existence or nonexistence of God or gods; or, alternatively, that while individual certainty may be possible, they personally have no knowledge. Agnosticism in both cases involves some form of skepticism.
Demographic research services normally list agnostics in the same category as atheists and non-religious people,[1] although this can be misleading depending on the number of agnostic theists who identify themselves first as agnostics and second as followers of a particular religion.
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complete win by Cornucopian!
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Posted - 2007.09.17 12:42:00 -
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this thread just keeps going downhill.
monkey morals borne out of emotion? nice one Dian Fossey.
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Posted - 2007.09.17 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: Cornucopian
Atheists deny any from of divine entities
Because there is nothing to base the exsitance of god on...besides some poorly written 'holy' books. I'm an atheist allright, and every atheist would change their stance on religion if presented with proper evidence.
When it comes to agnostics, they keep their mind open because they think there might be a god and they just dont know it yet. While as mentioned atheists dont belive due to lack of evidence, but that doesnt mean you cant change your mind if presented with said evidence.
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Posted - 2007.09.17 12:45:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Caid Lemant
Originally by: Ze4K DK
Originally by: Caid Lemant
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As an atheist I might become religious tomorrow if I saw any evidence for it.
Then you're not an atheist.
You sir are mistaken...
If you do not believe that god exists and don't believe there's something out there or whatever then you're an atheist.
Just because evidence would turn your views around doesn't make you agnostic, it makes you have a brain.
If you're agnostic you already believe that there's something or someone out there, you just don't know what.
Atheism is the doctrine or belief that there is no god. If evidence would sway you, you're not an atheist because you don't pertain to the belief.
So what you're saying is that if god was disproved and the christians stopped believing in god they wouldn't have been christians after all because they were being rational when proof came along?
No logical thinking person can keep believing in something after it has been proved wrong... It wouldn't make sense.
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Posted - 2007.09.17 12:47:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Death Kill
Originally by: Caid Lemant
Atheism is the doctrine or belief that there is no god.
Based on lack of evidence.
Stop talking about things you know nothing about. Youre trolling at best and not very entertaining.
He's actually correct; atheists actively deny the existence of god, agnostics don't believe in anything in particular since there's a lack of supporting evidence for any particular belief system.
The fact that you would become a believer if an angel were to descend on Times Square doesn't really relate to the above; it shows that you're rational, i.e that you believe that an argument with sufficient supporting evidence has merit and can be trusted.
I consider myself an agnostic because I neither believe in nor disbelieve the existence of god, just as I neither believe nor disbelieve that the universe was created by a race of pink elephants from another dimension. I simply don't believe that there's enough supporting evidence for any particular belief system so I choose to believe in none of them. This, in essence, is what agnosticism is about.
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Posted - 2007.09.17 12:48:00 -
[131]
Originally by: ry ry
this thread just keeps going downhill.
monkey morals borne out of emotion? nice one Dian Fossey.
Professor Westermarck's book is: "That the moral concepts are ultimately based on emotions either of indignation or approval is a fact which certain thinkers have in vain attempted to deny." This is a challenge, not merely to the philosophers and theologians, but to the Utilitarians. Morality is founded on emotions, not on a perception of utility, he says. Acts are deemed "good" or "bad" for the same reason that the sunshine is said to be hot and ice, cold. They excite certain emotions. Our moral ideas are therefore "generalizations of tendencies in certain phenomena (human acts) to call forth moral emotions." Fundamentally, it is sympathy and resentment that express themselves in these emotions.
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Posted - 2007.09.17 12:49:00 -
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Posted - 2007.09.17 12:53:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Death Kill
I understand the word perfectly. I'm just trying to figure out where the war is.
Are you some type of soldier?
Originally by: Death Kill
This is a fight that should be fought everywhere.
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War: 4. Active hostility or contention; conflict; contest
Once again are you really this thick? Even a ten year old could put it together, one with Asperger's even. Great showing as a troll though, closed minded and unable to think outside of your own posts.
Originally by: Death Kill
Based on lack of evidence.
Stop talking about things you know nothing about. Youre trolling at best and not very entertaining.
Belief is confidence in the existence or truth of something that is not currently exposed to examinable proof. Evidence has nothing to do with belief.
Originally by: Ze4K DK
No logical thinking person can keep believing in something after it has been proved wrong... It wouldn't make sense.
No real Christian would believe the evidence as enough.
Originally by: Death Kill
Morals comes from emotions.
Morals only pervert emotions.
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Posted - 2007.09.17 12:54:00 -
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Edited by: Turiya Flesharrower on 17/09/2007 12:54:32
Originally by: Death Kill
Originally by: ry ry
this thread just keeps going downhill.
monkey morals borne out of emotion? nice one Dian Fossey.
Professor Westermarck's book is: "That the moral concepts are ultimately based on emotions either of indignation or approval is a fact which certain thinkers have in vain attempted to deny." This is a challenge, not merely to the philosophers and theologians, but to the Utilitarians. Morality is founded on emotions, not on a perception of utility, he says. Acts are deemed "good" or "bad" for the same reason that the sunshine is said to be hot and ice, cold. They excite certain emotions. Our moral ideas are therefore "generalizations of tendencies in certain phenomena (human acts) to call forth moral emotions." Fundamentally, it is sympathy and resentment that express themselves in these emotions.
Emotional stimuli are evoked through immoral acts because our basic nature resists self and race destruction. Your emotions are a survival tool, used to guide you away from committing acts which can harm the survival of the species. Just as the act of making love gives pleasure and evokes pleasurable emotions because it's beneficial to the survival of the species, the act of murder evokes feelings of shame and guilt because it goes against the survival of the species.
Evolution -> Race Instinct -> Emotions -> Morals -> Law
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Posted - 2007.09.17 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Caid Lemant
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War: 4. Active hostility or contention; conflict; contest
Once again are you really this thick? Even a ten year old could put it together, one with Asperger's even. Great showing as a troll though, closed minded and unable to think outside of your own posts.
Please stop your kneejerk posting.
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Evidence has nothing to do with belief.
why not, because you say so?
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No real Christian would believe the evidence as enough.
REAL Christians also belive the earth is 6000 years old and that man lived next to dinosaurs.
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Posted - 2007.09.17 12:58:00 -
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Edited by: Caid Lemant on 17/09/2007 13:05:18
Originally by: Death Kill
why not, because you say so?
Because then it wouldn't be belief in the idea, but belief in the belief of the idea.
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Emotional stimuli are evoked through immoral acts because our basic nature resists self and race destruction. Your emotions are a survival tool, used to guide you away from committing acts which can harm the survival of the species. Just as the act of making love gives pleasure and evokes pleasurable emotions because it's beneficial to the survival of the species, the act of murder evokes feelings of shame and guilt because it goes against the survival of the species.
Evolution -> Race Instinct -> Emotions -> Morals -> Law
Such survival tools have nothing to do with stopping one from committing acts which harm the survival of the species because the survival of the species is never considered. There is no race instinct, there is only the instinct to protect the future of one's genes.
Originally by: Death Kill
REAL Christians also belive the earth is 6000 years old and that man lived next to dinosaurs.
Exactly why the evidence would never be enough.
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Posted - 2007.09.17 12:59:00 -
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Edited by: KingsGambit on 17/09/2007 12:59:45
Originally by: Death Kill
I have had a calm and rational debate over OP calling for prayers
No you haven't. I don't mean this to sound rude but frankly don't care if it does. You are simply the most obnoxious person I've encountered in this community and have no interest in anything but your own (obviously highly intelligent and well informed) opinion. You have done nothing but set out to deliberately offend everyone in a thread nothing to do with religion whatsoever. In the past I've sometimes thought our forum mods heavy handed, but I'm gonna offer up some prayers they ban you outright so we don't have to put up with people like you in this community.
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Posted - 2007.09.17 13:06:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Caid Lemant
Originally by: Ze4K DK
No logical thinking person can keep believing in something after it has been proved wrong... It wouldn't make sense.
No real Christian would believe the evidence as enough.
So to be a real Christian you have to lack common sense and logic?
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Posted - 2007.09.17 13:07:00 -
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Derailed from reply 1 
I enjoyed his Wheel of Time books (the ones that I've read - took a break after a while since no more books were out at the time). I suppose the good news is that this will make it possible for me to finish it 
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Posted - 2007.09.17 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Death Kill
Prayers, what are they gonna solve?
Why didnt you pray that he shouldnt die instead?
DK, you've totally derailed a thread on the death of a highly respected author. Normally I'm up for a political and/or religious argument but this thread is NOT for that. I seriously hope you get banned from the forums for this shambles!
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Posted - 2007.09.17 13:09:00 -
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Having skipped teh 5 pages of flaming and trolling
the WoT books where very good - yes, they went down hill at book 6 but book 11 was truly awesome, 7 - 10 could be said to be 'setting the scene'
Originally it was ment to be 15 books but when he was diagnosed with cancer he cut it to 12 so he could finish them, its a shame that he never had the chance.
Truly an epic writer and a great loss
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Posted - 2007.09.17 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Ze4K DK
Originally by: Caid Lemant
Originally by: Ze4K DK
No logical thinking person can keep believing in something after it has been proved wrong... It wouldn't make sense.
No real Christian would believe the evidence as enough.
So to be a real Christian you have to lack common sense and logic?
If they actually believed, their personal common sense and logic would be unable to accept any such evidence.
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Posted - 2007.09.17 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Turiya Flesharrower
Originally by: Erotic Irony
comedy thread is go
Manners, not philosophical stance. Recognize the difference?
you seem to be new to this internet
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Posted - 2007.09.17 13:59:00 -
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Death Kill read the Da Vinci Code and now he is a true beliver.
May Robert J. RIP and may his family be comforted in there time of need.
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Posted - 2007.09.17 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Death Kill
...their faith should be strong enough to endure the terrors of encountering someone not scared to speak up against their hypocrisy.
No they shouldn't. This is a games forum, not a Death Kill's opinion on life, the universe and everything web site. I've revised my opinion of you since that post...obnxious isn't nearly accurate enough. You're just making things up as you go now and throwing in what few two-plus syllable words you know to attempt to pass yourself off as someone reasonably intelligent but fail miserably. I've never willingly taken part in a flame-fest but you really are a piece of work.
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Posted - 2007.09.17 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Sin Tsu
lol, whats there to fear? im sure internet forums are a scary place with all their anonymity and stuff. is death kill even your main brave man?
Death Kill is indeed my main.
Now I never considered myself that brave, I'm just human. But not not exactly a coward either by definition. And yes, whenever I meet people of faith I do speak my mind.
Not long ago I was at a work conferance and met some religious leaders. A Rabbi and an Iman refused to shake the hands of one of my female co workers because she was female. I told them that I would not shake their hands either as I dont tolerate bigots. They asked me to elaborate and I did.
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Posted - 2007.09.17 14:04:00 -
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Edited by: Death Kill on 17/09/2007 14:06:18
Edited by: Death Kill on 17/09/2007 14:06:00
Originally by: Kharass Al'Quam
Death Kill read the Da Vinci Code and now he is a true beliver.
Actually no I despise that book. It's based on speculations and pseudo-history at best.
Originally by: KingsGambit
No they shouldn't. This is a games forum, not a Death Kill's opinion on life, the universe and everything web site.
Yes its a games forum, but this is an off topic forum...not game related. If a person can start a 'lets mourn this guy' thread then I can post philosophical without being silenced by people of faith that have their feelings hurt.
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Posted - 2007.09.17 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: KingsGambit
Originally by: Death Kill
...their faith should be strong enough to endure the terrors of encountering someone not scared to speak up against their hypocrisy.
No they shouldn't. This is a games forum, not a Death Kill's opinion on life, the universe and everything web site. I've revised my opinion of you since that post...obnxious isn't nearly accurate enough. You're just making things up as you go now and throwing in what few two-plus syllable words you know to attempt to pass yourself off as someone reasonably intelligent but fail miserably. I've never willingly taken part in a flame-fest but you really are a piece of work.
quotin' this impotent rage
p.s. the op made religious claims, invited us to do the same and linked to a blog that is saturated in religious language
are you familiar with the forum rules bro?
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Posted - 2007.09.17 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Death Kill
god is right up there in science fiction.
QFT.
The Church (whichever demonination - pick one to suit) is the ultimate scammer.
They sell you something you can't see, touch, taste, hear (unless you need serious medication) or smell.
You pay all your life for it and you only get it when you die and it's too late to do anything constructive.
They mostly seem to use the same line for nay-sayers too; "Just you wait 'till armageddon; God's going to get you". It's little more than highly organised bullying for lunch-money.
On a lighter note, the flames from this thread mean that I won't have to switch the heating on for at least another week... keep it up guys.
I also find it interesting that some of the professed atheists in this thread have resorted to blasphemy to highlight strongly felt opinions. C'mon guys, don't play by their rules; lets have some more relevant expletives please.
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Posted - 2007.09.17 14:07:00 -
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Our prayers go out to Jordan's family and friends in this time of grief.
I wouldn't really call this a religious claim since prayers can mean a whole lot, like petition. No specific religion is named.
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