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Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:52:00 - [31] Balance != Fun Game Improve Market Competition!
Theo Samaritan Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:52:00 - [32] Originally by: Soulita Originally by: Theo Samaritan Originally by: Soulita Actually I wonder if some of the posters are realy that stupid to NOT see caps are off balance. Or more likely just keen on keeping their overpowered playthings. I do not fly a cap, I probably wont for another couple years. I have been shot at by capitals, worked with capitals, and both times I vote that they are fine as they are. I have been playing a long time now, including in the non cap ship aera. I have flown with caps as well, and in most cases they decide how a battle goes. The side with more cap ships wins. Mostly it is as simple as that. Seems off to me. War is numbers. TBH you probably fought **** tacticians ______________________________ A Request About Lag Discussion -- Yet another "Edit my sig devs!" request \o/
Soulita Gallente Inner Core	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:54:00 - [33] Originally by: elohllird Originally by: Soulita Edited by: Soulita on 19/09/2007 23:42:52 Originally by: Hack Causality Originally by: Soulita Edited by: Soulita on 19/09/2007 23:17:49 The devs spend a lot of time balancing the playthings of the little man, like frigs, cruisers and BSs. They even get remodeled and new skins and such. In truth they are useless, only dreads, carriers and maybe interdictors and a few e-war ships and cov-ops are of relevance. So, since cap ship / non-cap ship balance does not exist, why not scrap the useless non cap-ship classes alltogether? Says the hypocrite with a picture of one of said "useless" ships in her signature. Is this thread a joke or are you really that stupid? Actually I wonder if some of the posters are realy that stupid to NOT see caps are off balance. Or more likely just keen on keeping their overpowered playthings. WTB a clue for you, ive been training my alt for a year to fly one, and still thats only half decently. Playthings!!! dont make me laugh the time and isk investment is huge. As Justin said ,cry me a river Seems more like you are the one crying here. You have trained so long for one of these wonderthings that you now definatly want to gain the fruits of that training time. The reason I bring up the topic is that the non cap ship classes are in fact very well balanced, and make for fun fights. And that is what EVE should be about. Cap gangs are pwn gangs that in most cases can not be rivaled, meaning they are godmode gangs. That is what EVE should not be about - no matter what the training time for that godmode.
Elmicker The Phoenix Rising FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:56:00 - [34] Originally by: Soulita Cap gangs are pwn gangs that in most cases can not be rivaled, meaning they are godmode gangs.
Theo Samaritan Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:57:00 - [35] Originally by: Soulita Cap gangs are pwn gangs that in most cases can not be rivaled, meaning they are godmode gangs. That is what EVE should not be about - no matter what the training time for that godmode. Anything that costs that much to build, run and operate deserves godmode TBH. now, Shut it. Please. ______________________________ A Request About Lag Discussion -- Yet another "Edit my sig devs!" request \o/
Reem Fairchild	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:57:00 - [36] Originally by: Soulita Originally by: Theo Samaritan Originally by: Soulita Actually I wonder if some of the posters are realy that stupid to NOT see caps are off balance. Or more likely just keen on keeping their overpowered playthings. I do not fly a cap, I probably wont for another couple years. I have been shot at by capitals, worked with capitals, and both times I vote that they are fine as they are. I have been playing a long time now, including in the non cap ship aera. I have flown with caps as well, and in most cases they decide how a battle goes. The side with more cap ships wins. Mostly it is as simple as that. Seems off to me. 1. Did, in any of those situations the Capitals fly without their support fleets including large numbers of battleships? 2. You have one single instance (large-scale, major 0.0 fleet battles) where capital ships are important, and from that you deduce that all but a few other ships are completely obsolete?
Senator Martin'Lefouret	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:58:00 - [37] Originally by: Soulita Originally by: Theo Samaritan Originally by: Soulita Actually I wonder if some of the posters are realy that stupid to NOT see caps are off balance. Or more likely just keen on keeping their overpowered playthings. I do not fly a cap, I probably wont for another couple years. I have been shot at by capitals, worked with capitals, and both times I vote that they are fine as they are. I have been playing a long time now, including in the non cap ship aera. I have flown with caps as well, and in most cases they decide how a battle goes. The side with more cap ships wins. Mostly it is as simple as that. Seems off to me. I dissagree, i've been in fight where the other side did had capitals and we didn't. other side lost half its capitals and we had even numbers to fight with.
Soulita Gallente Inner Core	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:59:00 - [38] Originally by: Theo Samaritan Originally by: Soulita Cap gangs are pwn gangs that in most cases can not be rivaled, meaning they are godmode gangs. That is what EVE should not be about - no matter what the training time for that godmode. Anything that costs that much to build, run and operate deserves godmode TBH. now, Shut it. Please. This is where we differ. IMHO nothing deserves godmode, spoils the fun, and screws the balance.
elohllird Gallente Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:59:00 - [39] hey mate im not crying i got the time and money to spend training up my alt, dont bother me got three accounts so all is good in my world......... /me dances in my shiny pink happy fluffy world....lalalal la Anyhow...you dont know what what your talkin about stfu you smell and your name is ghey... Thats my reasoned arguments.. i win boo hoo foo jooz
Theo Samaritan Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.09.20 00:00:00 - [40] Originally by: elohllird hey mate im not crying i got the time and money to spend training up my alt, dont bother me got three accounts so all is good in my world......... /me dances in my shiny pink happy fluffy world....lalalal la Anyhow...you dont know what what your talkin about stfu you smell and your name is ghey... Thats my reasoned arguments.. i win boo hoo foo jooz Delivers! ______________________________ A Request About Lag Discussion -- Yet another "Edit my sig devs!" request \o/
Stitcher Caldari legion of qui Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.20 00:01:00 - [41] Edited by: Stitcher on 20/09/2007 00:01:33 I notice that of all the responses to this issue, mine's one of the few that's not been quoted and countered yet.... - The game is not the problem. The problem is that you are not adapting to the game.
Theo Samaritan Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.09.20 00:02:00 - [42] Originally by: Stitcher Edited by: Stitcher on 20/09/2007 00:01:33 I notice that of all the responses to this issue, mine's one of the few that's not been quoted and countered yet.... Perhaps she's clueless? ______________________________ A Request About Lag Discussion -- Yet another "Edit my sig devs!" request \o/
Soulita Gallente Inner Core	Posted - 2007.09.20 00:06:00 - [43] Edited by: Soulita on 20/09/2007 00:07:38 Originally by: elohllird hey mate im not crying i got the time and money to spend training up my alt, dont bother me got three accounts so all is good in my world......... /me dances in my shiny pink happy fluffy world....lalalal la Anyhow...you dont know what what your talkin about stfu you smell and your name is ghey... Thats my reasoned arguments.. i win boo hoo foo jooz lol, you are funny. Keep dancing in your happy fluffy world I guess. It is funny to see people cry out loud when capitals are critizised. I guess some non cap ship owners cry out because they dream to have one, and the cap ship owners cry out because they do not want to loose their advanatge. Well, enough posting for me on this topic, I will shut up as desired. But I remain convinced there is a serious balance problem with cap ships. Guess I ll just get one myself and play with the herd, instead of criticising something that should be fixed. Quite sad, but hey, what the heck, its a game and games are not perfect...
Theo Samaritan Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.09.20 00:07:00 - [44] Originally by: Soulita It is funny to see people cry out loud when capitals are critizised. I guess some non cap ship owners cry out because they dream to have one, and the cap ship owners cry out because they do not want to loose their advanatge. Well, enough posting for me on this topic, I will shut up as desired. But I remain convinced there is a serious balance problem with cap ships. Guess I ll just get one myself and play with the herd, instead of criticising something that sould be fixed. Success! And when you realise the costs involved, come back to us. ______________________________ A Request About Lag Discussion -- Yet another "Edit my sig devs!" request \o/
Soulita Gallente Inner Core	Posted - 2007.09.20 00:09:00 - [45] Originally by: Theo Samaritan Originally by: Soulita It is funny to see people cry out loud when capitals are critizised. I guess some non cap ship owners cry out because they dream to have one, and the cap ship owners cry out because they do not want to loose their advanatge. Well, enough posting for me on this topic, I will shut up as desired. But I remain convinced there is a serious balance problem with cap ships. Guess I ll just get one myself and play with the herd, instead of criticising something that sould be fixed. Success! And when you realise the costs involved, come back to us. ROFL. Carriers are cheap. Btw, as you see you are pretty unsuccessfull, since you made me post again...
Shar'Tuk TheHated	Posted - 2007.09.20 00:11:00 - [46] Originally by: Soulita Originally by: Theo Samaritan Originally by: Soulita Edited by: Soulita on 19/09/2007 23:17:49 The devs spend a lot of time balancing the playthings of the little man, like frigs, cruisers and BSs. They even get remodeled and new skins and such. In truth they are useless, only dreads, carriers and maybe interdictors and a few e-war ships and cov-ops are of relevance. So, since cap ship / non-cap ship balance does not exist, why not scrap the useless non cap-ship classes alltogether? Shut it. Is that all you can come up with? Balance between non-cap ships and cap ships is completely off. That is a fact. It would be only logical to either get balance going or to scrap either capitals or non-capitals. You are speaking about capital ships right.. wait.. CAPITAL SHIPS. If you feel a couple of small ships should put the smack down of caps then they shouldnt be called capital ships because they woulded earn thier name. Not everything should be in perfect balance. A Capital ship should be something to fear. DRINK RUM It fights scurvy & boosts morale! THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES!
Theo Samaritan Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.09.20 00:11:00 - [47] Originally by: Soulita Originally by: Theo Samaritan Originally by: Soulita It is funny to see people cry out loud when capitals are critizised. I guess some non cap ship owners cry out because they dream to have one, and the cap ship owners cry out because they do not want to loose their advanatge. Well, enough posting for me on this topic, I will shut up as desired. But I remain convinced there is a serious balance problem with cap ships. Guess I ll just get one myself and play with the herd, instead of criticising something that sould be fixed. Success! And when you realise the costs involved, come back to us. ROFL. Carriers are cheap. Btw, as you see you are pretty unsuccessfull, since you made me post again... Carriers are cheap, yes, and no I did not fail as it was not me who stated I wouldnt post here again. ______________________________ A Request About Lag Discussion -- Yet another "Edit my sig devs!" request \o/
Reem Fairchild	Posted - 2007.09.20 00:18:00 - [48] Originally by: Soulita ROFL. Carriers are cheap. Btw, as you see you are pretty unsuccessfull, since you made me post again... Battleships are cheaper. And 5 battleships could kill any carrier with ease while costing a lot less in total. Same as 10 tech 1 frigs could kill a battleship without taking a single loss. I don't fly anything bigger than a battlecruiser ever, and rarely anything bigger than frigate size. And I don't think any of the ships I fly are useless in any way.
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.20 00:20:00 - [49] Originally by: Soulita Edited by: Soulita on 19/09/2007 23:17:49 The devs spend a lot of time balancing the playthings of the little man, like frigs, cruisers and BSs. They even get remodeled and new skins and such. In truth they are useless, only dreads, carriers and maybe interdictors and a few e-war ships and cov-ops are of relevance. So, since cap ship / non-cap ship balance does not exist, why not scrap the useless non cap-ship classes alltogether? LOL @ you So... eBay? Or will your brother be ****ed off at you when he finds out you've been posting with his EvE character? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Hilabana Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.09.20 00:21:00 - [50] Originally by: Soulita Edited by: Soulita on 19/09/2007 23:17:49 The devs spend a lot of time balancing the playthings of the little man, like frigs, cruisers and BSs. They even get remodeled and new skins and such. In truth they are useless, only dreads, carriers and maybe interdictors and a few e-war ships and cov-ops are of relevance. So, since cap ship / non-cap ship balance does not exist, why not scrap the useless non cap-ship classes alltogether? Your starting to sound like me about how the scales are tip more for the players in 0.0 But please do not do it i am asking do not go to that place that all is fair.
Thanos Draicon	Posted - 2007.09.20 00:30:00 - [51] Ok, so bring 10 dreads into a system without support and a hundred enemy battleships and see how long they last. ******.
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.20 00:37:00 - [52] Originally by: Thanos Draicon Ok, so bring 10 dreads into a system without support and a hundred enemy battleships and see how long they last. ******. Why battleships? As long as we're getting 10:1 odds and no support then 5 dictors, 15 maulus and 79 kestrels, plus a hauler with lots of spare ammo, will be fine. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Thanos Draicon	Posted - 2007.09.20 00:44:00 - [53] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Thanos Draicon Ok, so bring 10 dreads into a system without support and a hundred enemy battleships and see how long they last. ******. Why battleships? As long as we're getting 10:1 odds and no support then 5 dictors, 15 maulus and 79 kestrels, plus a hauler with lots of spare ammo, will be fine. BAH! A vessel that is capable of being taken out by approximately 0.3% of it's ISK investment in ships is obviously completely overpowered!
Martin Mckenna D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.09.20 00:44:00 - [54] Originally by: Soulita Edited by: Soulita on 19/09/2007 23:17:49 The devs spend a lot of time balancing the playthings of the little man, like frigs, cruisers and BSs. They even get remodeled and new skins and such. In truth they are useless, only dreads, carriers and maybe interdictors and a few e-war ships and cov-ops are of relevance. So, since cap ship / non-cap ship balance does not exist, why not scrap the useless non cap-ship classes alltogether? you about to experiance e-o forums
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.20 00:50:00 - [55] Originally by: Martin Mckenna Originally by: Soulita Edited by: Soulita on 19/09/2007 23:17:49 The devs spend a lot of time balancing the playthings of the little man, like frigs, cruisers and BSs. They even get remodeled and new skins and such. In truth they are useless, only dreads, carriers and maybe interdictors and a few e-war ships and cov-ops are of relevance. So, since cap ship / non-cap ship balance does not exist, why not scrap the useless non cap-ship classes alltogether? you about to experiance e-o forums I can't wait to see the thread, which will soon appear, I promise, but a different character with a suspiciously similar post style (he did say that ISK "wasn't a problem"...) "Dear CCP: Cap ships are broken - KESTREL GANKED" CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Nicoli Voldkif Caelli-Merced INC. Gunboat Diplomacy	Posted - 2007.09.20 00:52:00 - [56] Originally by: Soulita ROFL. Carriers are cheap. Btw, as you see you are pretty unsuccessfull, since you made me post again... Lets see just how expensive a carrier is... 800mil-1Bil for the hull 50mil per capital rep 50mil per Drone control unit (4) 20mil per fighter(15+) So for just the Carrier specific modules and not including triage your looking at 1.4 billion and thats still not fully fitted. And from Personnel experience it takes about 15 pilots in Cruiser+ to take one out. so that means each person gets about 93million to spend on their ship. Which seems about right for a mixed gang of 15 people. Not to mention that even if the carrier lives there is a good chance that its going to lose a few fighters. In addition to that the Carrier has basic operating costs involved as well as requiring at least 2 people to move it out of system. Now you might swing me that Moms are overpowered in low sec but over all capitals are very well balanced. Don't want to fight them go to the next system over. they are very difficult to use to chase a non-cap fleet down and your more and likely going to catch them in a fight around a stationary area then as a roving gang. -----------------------------------------------
Soulita Gallente Inner Core	Posted - 2007.09.20 00:54:00 - [57] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Martin Mckenna Originally by: Soulita Edited by: Soulita on 19/09/2007 23:17:49 The devs spend a lot of time balancing the playthings of the little man, like frigs, cruisers and BSs. They even get remodeled and new skins and such. In truth they are useless, only dreads, carriers and maybe interdictors and a few e-war ships and cov-ops are of relevance. So, since cap ship / non-cap ship balance does not exist, why not scrap the useless non cap-ship classes alltogether? you about to experiance e-o forums I can't wait to see the thread, which will soon appear, I promise, but a different character with a suspiciously similar post style (he did say that ISK "wasn't a problem"...) "Dear CCP: Cap ships are broken - KESTREL GANKED" Seems I did manage to attract a good amount of trolls. Wasn't my intent, but the thread has become amusing, so no need to start a new thread on the topic
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.20 01:04:00 - [58] Originally by: Soulita Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Martin Mckenna Originally by: Soulita Edited by: Soulita on 19/09/2007 23:17:49 The devs spend a lot of time balancing the playthings of the little man, like frigs, cruisers and BSs. They even get remodeled and new skins and such. In truth they are useless, only dreads, carriers and maybe interdictors and a few e-war ships and cov-ops are of relevance. So, since cap ship / non-cap ship balance does not exist, why not scrap the useless non cap-ship classes alltogether? you about to experiance e-o forums I can't wait to see the thread, which will soon appear, I promise, but a different character with a suspiciously similar post style (he did say that ISK "wasn't a problem"...) "Dear CCP: Cap ships are broken - KESTREL GANKED" Seems I did manage to attract a good amount of trolls. Wasn't my intent, but the thread has become amusing, so no need to start a new thread on the topic In all seriousness, with a quarter-competent FC, the T1 frigate gang I postulated would slaughter 10 unsupported dreads. (The dictors are only in there to stop them escaping; if you can find 9 other dread pilots confident enough to stay till the bitter end, I'll gladly add the extra DPS and reduce the cost - or trade them off for, say, having the FC in a Claymore with Interdiction, Evasive Maneuv., Rapid Deployment, Electronic Superiority and Shield Harmonisation mods ) CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Raekkul Caldari	Posted - 2007.09.20 01:26:00 - [59] Edited by: Raekkul on 20/09/2007 01:27:15 Originally by: Soulita Edited by: Soulita on 20/09/2007 00:07:38 Originally by: elohllird hey mate im not crying i got the time and money to spend training up my alt, dont bother me got three accounts so all is good in my world......... /me dances in my shiny pink happy fluffy world....lalalal la Anyhow...you dont know what what your talkin about stfu you smell and your name is ghey... Thats my reasoned arguments.. i win boo hoo foo jooz lol, you are funny. Keep dancing in your happy fluffy world I guess. It is funny to see people cry out loud when capitals are critizised. I guess some non cap ship owners cry out because they dream to have one, and the cap ship owners cry out because they do not want to loose their advanatge. Well, enough posting for me on this topic, I will shut up as desired. But I remain convinced there is a serious balance problem with cap ships. Guess I ll just get one myself and play with the herd, instead of criticising something that should be fixed. Quite sad, but hey, what the heck, its a game and games are not perfect... Never flown a cap ship, never even seen one. Would I like one? A carrier perhaps but I'm a bit of a carebear and stick to high sec so I'll prolly never get one. All that being said, I have yet to see a single post by you with ANY supporting data whatsoever. Your posts lack anything of value to support you personal opinion of cap ships which makes me seriously wonder if this thread wasn't provoked by someone in a cap wtfbbqpwning you somewhere out in low sec. If you really expect people to argue intelligently about your topic, it might help if you yourself started by posting some actual facts supporting your claim, instead of just stating a personal opinion and expecting it to be agreed upon by anyone.
Pirate Tom	Posted - 2007.09.20 01:29:00 - [60] Meh... puts up a sign ______________ \| DO NOT FEED\| \| THE TROLLS \| \|____________\| \| \| \| \| Quote: The wonderful thing about pirates is pirates is wonderful things. Their box is filled up with killmails and they love to hear the screams!

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