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Soulita Gallente Inner Core	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:17:00 - [1] Edited by: Soulita on 19/09/2007 23:17:49 The devs spend a lot of time balancing the playthings of the little man, like frigs, cruisers and BSs. They even get remodeled and new skins and such. In truth they are useless, only dreads, carriers and maybe interdictors and a few e-war ships and cov-ops are of relevance. So, since cap ship / non-cap ship balance does not exist, why not scrap the useless non cap-ship classes alltogether?
Theo Samaritan Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:18:00 - [2] Originally by: Soulita Edited by: Soulita on 19/09/2007 23:17:49 The devs spend a lot of time balancing the playthings of the little man, like frigs, cruisers and BSs. They even get remodeled and new skins and such. In truth they are useless, only dreads, carriers and maybe interdictors and a few e-war ships and cov-ops are of relevance. So, since cap ship / non-cap ship balance does not exist, why not scrap the useless non cap-ship classes alltogether? Shut it. ______________________________ A Request About Lag Discussion -- Yet another "Edit my sig devs!" request \o/
Arvald Caldari House of Tempers	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:20:00 - [3] Originally by: Soulita Edited by: Soulita on 19/09/2007 23:17:49 The devs spend a lot of time balancing the playthings of the little man, like frigs, cruisers and BSs. They even get remodeled and new skins and such. In truth they are useless, only dreads, carriers and maybe interdictors and a few e-war ships and cov-ops are of relevance. So, since cap ship / non-cap ship balance does not exist, why not scrap the useless non cap-ship classes alltogether? SHUT IT!!!!! ----------------------------------------------- ya cant stop the rokh and no i have not nor will i ever contribute anything constructive to your thread
Soulita Gallente Inner Core	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:21:00 - [4] Originally by: Theo Samaritan Originally by: Soulita Edited by: Soulita on 19/09/2007 23:17:49 The devs spend a lot of time balancing the playthings of the little man, like frigs, cruisers and BSs. They even get remodeled and new skins and such. In truth they are useless, only dreads, carriers and maybe interdictors and a few e-war ships and cov-ops are of relevance. So, since cap ship / non-cap ship balance does not exist, why not scrap the useless non cap-ship classes alltogether? Shut it. Is that all you can come up with? Balance between non-cap ships and cap ships is completely off. That is a fact. It would be only logical to either get balance going or to scrap either capitals or non-capitals.
Theo Samaritan Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:24:00 - [5] Originally by: Soulita Balance between non-cap ships and cap ships is completely off. That is a fact. It would be only logical to either get balance going or to scrap either capitals or non-capitals. I think the balance is fine tyvm. The power in capships is outbalanced by price and skill req, both are far from the reach of many people for more than a year. So yes. Shut it. ______________________________ A Request About Lag Discussion -- Yet another "Edit my sig devs!" request \o/
Fallen Shadow	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:26:00 - [6] Can you fly a Capital ship? If so which ones? Do you really understand the logistics of Capital jump drives and Cost of Fuel?
Pirate Tom	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:26:00 - [7] apparently cost means nothing in this argument, nor does the training time, or the fact that capitals cannot use stargates, or go above 0.4 security systems. Lets get rid of non-capital ships! Anyone above 0.4 sec is in a shuttle or a pod. Anyone with less than a billion ISK doesnt' deserve to play the game. right.
Alski Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:27:00 - [8] shu... nah thats too impolite for me Because capitals are not WTFBBQPWN mechines, if you flew one yourself you'd understand that. - (combat) Patch belonging to CCP hits your drones, wrecking their liberty and freedom.
Soulita Gallente Inner Core	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:27:00 - [9] Originally by: Theo Samaritan Originally by: Soulita Balance between non-cap ships and cap ships is completely off. That is a fact. It would be only logical to either get balance going or to scrap either capitals or non-capitals. I think the balance is fine tyvm. The power in capships is outbalanced by price and skill req, both are far from the reach of many people for more than a year. So yes. Shut it. Wrong. Carriers for example are not very costly, and most people use second accounts as cap pilots. These train fairly quickly. The balance is a problem, and that wont change with weak arguments such as yours.
Fallen Shadow	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:28:00 - [10] Pirate Tom, looks like we had the same argument. lol
Reem Fairchild	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:28:00 - [11] Originally by: Soulita So, since cap ship / non-cap ship balance does not exist, why not scrap the useless non cap-ship classes alltogether? Because you have no idea what you're talking about.
Stitcher Caldari legion of qui Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:28:00 - [12] clueless forumite is clueless. - The game is not the problem. The problem is that you are not adapting to the game.
Soulita Gallente Inner Core	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:29:00 - [13] Originally by: Alski shu... nah thats too impolite for me Because capitals are not WTFBBQPWN mechines, if you flew one yourself you'd understand that. I do NOT fly one, because they are off balance. They are way off scale compared to the next smaller class which is BSs.
Soulita Gallente Inner Core	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:30:00 - [14] Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: Soulita So, since cap ship / non-cap ship balance does not exist, why not scrap the useless non cap-ship classes alltogether? Because you have no idea what you're talking about. Quite honestly I think you have no idea what you are talking about. So how would the current cap ships be in balance? Any arguments besides big words?
Theo Samaritan Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:31:00 - [15] Originally by: Soulita Originally by: Alski shu... nah thats too impolite for me Because capitals are not WTFBBQPWN mechines, if you flew one yourself you'd understand that. I do NOT fly one, because they are off balance. They are way off scale compared to the next smaller class which is BSs. Time to fly and use a BS = 2 months, time to afford one about the same Time to fly and use a capital = a year and a half with back-to-back training, and some people stuggle to afford one even after that time. THE SCALE IS THERE FOR A REASON. besides, if you want to kill time, train commandships. ______________________________ A Request About Lag Discussion -- Yet another "Edit my sig devs!" request \o/
Elmicker The Phoenix Rising FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:31:00 - [16] Originally by: Soulita I do NOT fly one Best you leave the issue there, then, eh?
Stitcher Caldari legion of qui Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:32:00 - [17] Originally by: Soulita Originally by: Alski shu... nah thats too impolite for me Because capitals are not WTFBBQPWN mechines, if you flew one yourself you'd understand that. I do NOT fly one, because they are off balance. They are way off scale compared to the next smaller class which is BSs. and this means that you're completely unqualified to comment on them. Yes, they are powerful. they are not, however, indestructible. Are you going to claim that frigates are obsolete because battleships exist? If anything, capitals are among the more balanced ship-classes in the game, having to worry about fuel supply and logistics whenever they want to move around, not to mention the enormous expense in terms of both ISK and Skill Points they require. And what do you get? One ship that only performs well when laying siege to stationary targets, one ship that only performs well when moving entire, smaller fleets around and two ships that don't actually have guns on them. They are extremely useful. but they are FAR from being overpowered. Anyway, that's enough from me, I figure we've given this particular troll enough to chew on for now. - The game is not the problem. The problem is that you are not adapting to the game.
Theo Samaritan Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:33:00 - [18] Originally by: Stitcher Originally by: Soulita Originally by: Alski shu... nah thats too impolite for me Because capitals are not WTFBBQPWN mechines, if you flew one yourself you'd understand that. I do NOT fly one, because they are off balance. They are way off scale compared to the next smaller class which is BSs. and this means that you're completely unqualified to comment on them. Yes, they are powerful. they are not, however, indestructible. Are you going to claim that frigates are obsolete because battleships exist? If anything, capitals are among the more balanced ship-classes in the game, having to worry about fuel supply and logistics whenever they want to move around, not to mention the enormous expense in terms of both ISK and Skill Points they require. And what do you get? One ship that only performs well when laying siege to stationary targets, one ship that only performs well when moving entire, smaller fleets around and two ships that don't actually have guns on them. They are extremely useful. but they are FAR from being overpowered. Anyway, that's enough from me, I figure we've given this particular troll enough to chew on for now. Delivered. ______________________________ A Request About Lag Discussion -- Yet another "Edit my sig devs!" request \o/
Meleia	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:33:00 - [19] Originally by: Alski shu... nah thats too impolite for me Because capitals are not WTFBBQPWN mechines, if you flew one yourself you'd understand that. Of course not. That mothership we read about, that was afk camping a low sec gate with smartbombs active, is surely dead by now? As like all the other pirate carriers/motherships that infest low sec gates 23/7? Those are really easy to kill!
Graivon	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:34:00 - [20] Originally by: Theo Samaritan Originally by: Soulita Edited by: Soulita on 19/09/2007 23:17:49 The devs spend a lot of time balancing the playthings of the little man, like frigs, cruisers and BSs. They even get remodeled and new skins and such. In truth they are useless, only dreads, carriers and maybe interdictors and a few e-war ships and cov-ops are of relevance. So, since cap ship / non-cap ship balance does not exist, why not scrap the useless non cap-ship classes alltogether? Shut it. and Originally by: Arvald Originally by: Soulita Edited by: Soulita on 19/09/2007 23:17:49 The devs spend a lot of time balancing the playthings of the little man, like frigs, cruisers and BSs. They even get remodeled and new skins and such. In truth they are useless, only dreads, carriers and maybe interdictors and a few e-war ships and cov-ops are of relevance. So, since cap ship / non-cap ship balance does not exist, why not scrap the useless non cap-ship classes alltogether? SHUT IT!!!!! ROFLMFAO! Thanks That Is All.
Fallen Shadow	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:34:00 - [21] Do you know anything about Capital ships other then the stats you see on the site? Level four missions would also be very hard in empire with only Frieghters to do missions. I think your looking at the numbers and not understanding the limited use of these ships. If you don't have the Corp or Alliance support capital ships get killed to groups of Battleships just like any other ship.
sableye principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:35:00 - [22] to be honest they should get rid of all ships but shuttles Join The Fight With Promo Today
Theo Samaritan Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:35:00 - [23] Originally by: Meleia Originally by: Alski shu... nah thats too impolite for me Because capitals are not WTFBBQPWN mechines, if you flew one yourself you'd understand that. Of course not. That mothership we read about, that was afk camping a low sec gate with smartbombs active, is surely dead by now? As like all the other pirate carriers/motherships that infest low sec gates 23/7? Those are really easy to kill! As someone who has seen carriers and dreadnaughts killed in lowsec, I say yes they are. ______________________________ A Request About Lag Discussion -- Yet another "Edit my sig devs!" request \o/
Reem Fairchild	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:42:00 - [24] Originally by: Meleia like all the other pirate carriers/motherships that infest low sec gates 23/7? Those are really easy to kill! Have you ever been in low-sec?
Soulita Gallente Inner Core	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:42:00 - [25] Edited by: Soulita on 19/09/2007 23:42:52 Originally by: Hack Causality Originally by: Soulita Edited by: Soulita on 19/09/2007 23:17:49 The devs spend a lot of time balancing the playthings of the little man, like frigs, cruisers and BSs. They even get remodeled and new skins and such. In truth they are useless, only dreads, carriers and maybe interdictors and a few e-war ships and cov-ops are of relevance. So, since cap ship / non-cap ship balance does not exist, why not scrap the useless non cap-ship classes alltogether? Says the hypocrite with a picture of one of said "useless" ships in her signature. Is this thread a joke or are you really that stupid? Actually I wonder if some of the posters are realy that stupid to NOT see caps are off balance. Or more likely just keen on keeping their overpowered playthings.
Theo Samaritan Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:45:00 - [26] Originally by: Soulita Actually I wonder if some of the posters are realy that stupid to NOT see caps are off balance. Or more likely just keen on keeping their overpowered playthings. I do not fly a cap, I probably wont for another couple years. I have been shot at by capitals, worked with capitals, and both times I vote that they are fine as they are. ______________________________ A Request About Lag Discussion -- Yet another "Edit my sig devs!" request \o/
Reem Fairchild	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:47:00 - [27] Originally by: Soulita Actually I wonder if some of the posters are realy that stupid to NOT see caps are off balance. Or more likely just keen on keeping their overpowered playthings. Maybe if you, oh I don't know, made any kind of attempt to prove your statement about capital ships making all but a few of the other ships obsolete, there could be more of a debate here...
elohllird Gallente Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:48:00 - [28] Originally by: Soulita Edited by: Soulita on 19/09/2007 23:42:52 Originally by: Hack Causality Originally by: Soulita Edited by: Soulita on 19/09/2007 23:17:49 The devs spend a lot of time balancing the playthings of the little man, like frigs, cruisers and BSs. They even get remodeled and new skins and such. In truth they are useless, only dreads, carriers and maybe interdictors and a few e-war ships and cov-ops are of relevance. So, since cap ship / non-cap ship balance does not exist, why not scrap the useless non cap-ship classes alltogether? Says the hypocrite with a picture of one of said "useless" ships in her signature. Is this thread a joke or are you really that stupid? Actually I wonder if some of the posters are realy that stupid to NOT see caps are off balance. Or more likely just keen on keeping their overpowered playthings. WTB a clue for you, ive been training my alt for a year to fly one, and still thats only half decently. Playthings!!! dont make me laugh the time and isk investment is huge. As Justin said ,cry me a river
Soulita Gallente Inner Core	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:49:00 - [29] Originally by: Theo Samaritan Originally by: Soulita Actually I wonder if some of the posters are realy that stupid to NOT see caps are off balance. Or more likely just keen on keeping their overpowered playthings. I do not fly a cap, I probably wont for another couple years. I have been shot at by capitals, worked with capitals, and both times I vote that they are fine as they are. I have been playing a long time now, including in the non cap ship aera. I have flown with caps as well, and in most cases they decide how a battle goes. The side with more cap ships wins. Mostly it is as simple as that. Seems off to me.
Elmicker The Phoenix Rising FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.09.19 23:52:00 - [30] Edited by: Elmicker on 19/09/2007 23:51:58 Originally by: Soulita I have been playing a long time now, including in the non battleship aera. I have flown with battleships as well, and in most cases they decide how a battle goes. The side with more battleships wins. Mostly it is as simple as that. Seems off to me. Seems a bit recognisable, to me.

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