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Swearingen
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Posted - 2007.09.23 17:54:00 -
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I recently trained for relatively good raven skills after doing many many SOLO lvl 4 missions in my Drake.
After reading the PvE Raven kudos here, I wonder what I am doing wrong. Even though I lost the Raven to the Lixas in EA3 (they werent mentioned on either of the obsolete mission websites that I use and I spawned too many scramblers for the Raven to finish off and get out), it is amazing to me how much easier it is to use my active-tank Drake in the missions that the solo Raven muddled through before its demise.
I decided to use torpedoes for sheer damage potential (and citadel torpedoes eventually) I was using a target painter and t2 hobgoblins/hammerheads to take care of the small stuff. One thing I didn't have room for quite yet was the 2 heavy NOS in the extra high slots. With the faction-amped XL2 booster able to handle quite a lot of damage, this may be the biggest reason for the tank problems.
Now, I am making the Drake even better while I seek answers for the Raven. I am contemplating even using the Raven only for ratting and keep to the drake and eventually a nighthawk for missions.
So, is it the CNR that people love to mission with or what suggestions do people have for better raven performance?
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.09.23 18:05:00 -
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You died in EA3? Guess you mismanaged the triggers...
Also what makes the torp Raven really good is the Gist shieldboosters, or a T2 XL with a capbooster. Just a T2 XL booster prolly eats too much cap.
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Swearingen
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Posted - 2007.09.23 18:33:00 -
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Yeah, I said that I got too many Lixas on me because the names changed from previous documented triggers. I had plenty of time to warp out, but I was scrambled hard. I had 3 ccc1 rigs on it, but no cap injector. Would 2x heavy nos be enough to not fit the cap injector?
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Law Enforcer
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Posted - 2007.09.23 20:13:00 -
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citadel torpedo's on a raven? 
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Slayton Ford
Uninvited Guests
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Posted - 2007.09.23 20:50:00 -
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 Originally by: Leandro Salazar
Also what makes the torp Raven really good is the Gist shieldboosters, or a T2 XL with a capbooster. Just a T2 XL booster prolly eats too much cap.
Not necessarly true. A T2 XL Booster is fine for most missions. About the only thing that can't be done w/o a warp out is AE4 bonus room. On any missions, you should always kill frigs first, even if your lobbing torps at them.
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Toria Nynys
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.09.24 00:31:00 -
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Let me guess. BC4+ vs BS3? Heavy missiles 4 vs torp 3?
I saw a huge leap in my Raven's performance for every level of BS trained. Ditto every step of the bigger weapon skills, rapid launch and even warhead upgrades.
Before training BS5 and with only 400K or so in missiles I struggled with the Mordus Mammoth, and the Rachen guy at the end of Vengeance took me 15 minutes. 4 more months of nothing but concentrated Raven-specific training and I punt their butts like a rabid kangaroo on speed.
Raven's big advantage over the Drake is the DPS output. If you don't have top notch damage dealing skills you're just flying a Drake with a much weaker tank -- with results you've experienced.
I'd suggest not stepping into a CNR until you can finish all but the AE bonus room in a Raven with few to no warp outs. Yes, the extra 4000 hp is nice, but you'll be twice as sad if blown up.
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Esmenet
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Posted - 2007.09.24 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: Swearingen
Yeah, I said that I got too many Lixas on me because the names changed from previous documented triggers. I had plenty of time to warp out, but I was scrambled hard. I had 3 ccc1 rigs on it, but no cap injector. Would 2x heavy nos be enough to not fit the cap injector?
I got 3 CCC and 1 heavy nos on my raven and the only time i'm below 25% cap is if i forget to turn off my shieldbooster. I rarely use the NOS. My raven skills are not that impressive either. A cap injector is not needed in my opinion. If i had a free mid slot i'd rather put in another hardener.
Anyway here is a good updated site with mission info : http://home.broadpark.no/~tijohann/eve/missions/
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pandymen
Caldari
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation
space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2007.09.24 16:30:00 -
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Just curious, but do you have the proper support skills for a raven? They are much different than a drake. You can use the t2 shield booster, but are your cap skills trained up too? Post your fitting+rigs here, and maybe that will explain why you lost a raven. Honestly, there is no reason to lose it if you know how to run the missions properly...and if you are having tank problems, you dont belong using a target painter TBH.
That said, a raven runs missions much much much much faster than a drake. I can't imagine how people ever did lvl 4's in a drake....especially considering you would probably make more money doing lvl 3's since you have trouble with alot of lvl 4 battleships (i.e. vengeance). The drake flat out can't do some missions I would imagine, simply because you can't take out some battleships.
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Gax Githanki
Defiance Corp
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.09.24 19:05:00 -
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I used to run missions in a Drake. It works for many more missions than you might think. I used to have too chase down Rachen and attack from point blank to be able to get enough dps past the defenders but it is doable. Never managed to finish Worlds Collide in a Drake though.
I recommend that you try cruise missiles before you try torpedoes. A cruise Raven feels alot more like Drake (if that is what you are used to) and is better for taking out those scrambling frigs. Torpedoes are still better for most missions but take more skill (in real life and in game).
Heavy Nos can help.... and so can a smartbomb in certain missions. It can take some time to get a Raven's tank to where you can comfortably run the missions in it. Remember, doing lvl 4 missions is a combination of skills, ship setup, and knowledge of the mission. If you dont have all 3 of these things then you will struggle (unless you have way too much isk to spend on faction fittings).
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Carniflex
Caldari
Fallout Research
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.09.24 20:26:00 -
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Drake is not far behind cruise missile raven dps wise with approx the same tank, raven just needs the cap injector if he wants to run it long, still mount some bcs and still stay on budget.
As far as ships themselves go it is a bit different to fly raven, as some missions make you manage your shield booster manually hovering around 25 ..30 % capacitor. Siege missiles are good idea, they are faster than cruise missiles in missions if you switch targets manually after enough missiles is in flight to kill your current target. Damage difference between cruise raven and siege raven is approx the same as between drake and cruise raven. Roughly 25 to 30 %. It just hurts a bit more where drake is, as time to kill something is not entirely linear function of dps.
CNR is ofc very nice but it is somewhat harder to fit than regular raven. When you can pull off siege missile fit on regular raven without adv weapon upgrades it is considerably harder or more expencive on CNR.
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Swearingen
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Posted - 2007.09.25 04:50:00 -
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Edited by: Swearingen on 25/09/2007 04:51:38
Fit skills: AWU 2 (figured I might be able to fit the NOS when I get this up higher), eng5
Missile Skills: warhead upgrade 3 (4 soon), rapid launch 4, bombardment 4, proj 3 (4 soon)
Eng skills: eso5, em4, so5, sm4, sc4
Drake: HM Spec 4, bc4
Raven: Torp 3 (headed to T2 launchers/spec4 I think b4 I try again), bs3 (4 soon)
The only lvl 4 mission that I cant complete in the drake is EA5. I can do the bonus room in extravaganzas. I would just like a faster completion rate, but it isn't really that bad in the drake right now. Rachen is easy with afterburner to stay on his butt and fire scourge point blank.
I know that if I had updated mission info, I would have been fine in ea3 with the raven staying away from stacking up the triggered spawns. I guess I am just commenting that at this point in time, the drake is still better, which highly surprised me.
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Cippalippus Primus
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.09.25 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: Law Enforcer
citadel torpedo's on a raven?
this. Citadel torps on a raven!?
Anyway, cruise missiles are better for missions with a lot of frigates and such, and generally you'll want to use cruises until your drone skills are good enough to take care of small ships without crying when you see your torps hitting for 10-20 dmg. Implants are really nice to have too.
Cruise missiles also get a bonus from guided missile precision, and are therefore quite great at their flyswatter role.
A t2 XL + cap injector tank isn't only cheaper than any gistii/SBA combination, it's flat out better. You will never ever need to warp out if you know the mission triggers. Spending hundreds of millions or even billions for a faction tank isn't only expensive, but pretty much totally pointless.
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XXJackXX
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Posted - 2007.09.25 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Swearingen
I recently trained for relatively good raven skills after doing many many SOLO lvl 4 missions in my Drake.
I decided to use torpedoes for sheer damage potential (and citadel torpedoes eventually) I was using a target painter and t2 hobgoblins/hammerheads to take care of the small stuff. One thing I didn't have room for quite yet was the 2 heavy NOS in the extra high slots. With the faction-amped XL2 booster able to handle quite a lot of damage, this may be the biggest reason for the tank problems.
Citadel torp cor capital ships u wont able to hit anything with that and when u fit torp u'll never able to fit nos.just with cruise missiles faster and with t2 launchers u can even get bs so fast.with only t2 setup AE bonus lvl is posible i'm saying that coz i did:)
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Asmosis
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Posted - 2007.09.25 11:44:00 -
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a T2 XL shield booster + injector is only about 20% better than a navy large booster + T2 amp.
The later can be perma run while the former requires a lot of micro management and possibly warp out if you run out of cap charges which are pretty bulky.
a gist XL booster + amp is quite obviously superior in a lot of ways since its higher recharge than either with the convenience of perma running.
Sofar the only mission thats outdamaged my navy L booster is EA 5/5 when the final wave comes in, although I'm still playing with hardener combos for that mission. I was still able to reduce their DPS to a managable level before shields reached zero though.
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Swearingen
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Posted - 2007.09.27 17:08:00 -
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I never said I was gonna try to use citadel torps on the raven, just wanted to lessen the training time for them by having torp5 already trained rather than going for cruise 5 first. With stealth bombers being kinda cool tho, cruise seems worth it.
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