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PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders Flatline.
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Posted - 2012.01.21 14:31:00 -
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Fix Lag wrote:
Augoror
Maller Omen
Moa Osprey Celestis Exequror Scythe Raven
Rokh
Hyperion
Typhoon
Sentinel Kitsune Keres Hyena
Revelation
Phoenix
Moros
Naglfar Prophecy Ferox Cyclone
Fixed your list for you. |
Bane Loppknow
Aliastra Gallente Federation
33
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Posted - 2012.01.21 14:32:00 -
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I've flown successful Sentinel and Arbitrators in small gang pvp. It was quite fun, actually.
I've also successfully flown Prophecies, though more because I really really like the hull. It's pretty under-achieving, though. |
David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
298
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Posted - 2012.01.21 15:19:00 -
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the osprey is still a well used ship for pos repping in empire/low sec/null sec.
"Pospreys" as they are fondly named are cheap as chips to fly, low skill requirements mean even noobs can fly them fairly quickly.
depending on how much u wanna spend but for less than 5mil u can fit a 2 large rep cap stable fit posprey
highs 2x meta 4 large shield xfers
mids and lows cap rechargers and relays
for about 20mil u can put 3x cap rigs on drop two cap relays and fit a powergrid & cpu upgrade and squeeze a 3rd large shield xfer on and still be cap stable though this does require a bit more skills and some 3% or better shield implants. Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs. |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
450
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Posted - 2012.01.21 15:47:00 -
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Fix Lag wrote:Augoror Maller Omen Moa Osprey Celestis Exequror Scythe Raven Rokh (starting to see a bit more use now that rails were buffed) Hyperion Typhoon Sentinel Kitsune Keres Hyena Revelation Phoenix Moros Naglfar Prophecy Ferox Cyclone Hmm, don't see the Hulk up there.
Pretty useless ship, worst reason to fly a Hulk is for minerals since rogue drones and mission's drop modules for refining while the best reason to fly a Hulk is to pretend to be a goat tied down to asteroid fields and then just die to a gank (aka, KM padding. Hulk just dies so easily, why else do you think its targeted so much? killmail padding and ego stroking, of course). Plus mining is the worst career choice, better off getting rid of asteroids so we don't need those Hulks, CCP doesn't need a reason to revamp mining at all since asteroids are gone, NPC seed can provide everything we need to buy minerals and a sudden isk sink is created (with minerals at over inflated prices of course)
Back on topic then, since the Hulk would then be gone thats one less ship for CCP to look at and they could then concentrate on the rest of them that need to be buffed. |
Nephilius
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
291
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Posted - 2012.01.21 16:22:00 -
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Raven and Typhoon are good mission boats, especially the Raven. Maller makes for a wicked piece of bait, tank it six ways to sunday. I had a buddy that had so much tank on his it took 12km to turn, lol! Osprey is a great almost entry level mining platform, and the Rokh make for a decent in a pinch mining platform as well.
These are about the only ones I can really speak on, but it's not necessarily the fault of CCP, per se. Alot of that lies with the players as well. The propensity to stick with what works, coupled with loss aversion, has fostered a mentality of using only certain ships. No one really gets out there and tries no things. But I'd also wager that if we, as a community, did not have as many choices as we do, we'd be all up in arms about it. The ships are there for anyone to use at any time, it's up to you to make something happen with them. Think outside the box. If you bring down a giant, you're a hero. If you kill something weak-even if it has to die-then you will endure contempt. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
146
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Posted - 2012.01.21 16:32:00 -
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Ravens are used a lot for (high damage) suicide ganking, maybe the reason you listed them there is wrong. Also, the predominance of Drakes, their tank and low cost made them overshadow every other caldari ship except Tengu.
Phoons are high SP, specialty ships but they do find applications in diverse activities.
Cyclones are low cost BCs that with proper implants & boosters can reserve some surprise (they could use some tweaking though).
Osprey = cost effective shield repairer, gas harvester, most effective entry level mining cruiser. |
Kessiaan
Greater Order Of Destruction Happy Endings
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Posted - 2012.01.21 16:55:00 -
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Maller - Can fit a BS-level buffer on a cruiser hull, one of the best bait ships around. Omen - I've seen youtube vids who make RR gangs out of these for lols and it actually works. Surprised it's not used more often. Osprey/Exequror - I've seen these used as logis in FW plexes where you can't bring T2 cruisers. Celestis - It can fit a 1600 plate and has 5 mids. It's unbeatable for cheap gate tackle in lowsec (with 3 sebos) or for baiting drams (with 3 webs) Scythe - I always though this ship's primary use was as a mining platform for noobs. Raven - Torp ravens can be good, they just get primaried a lot so nobody wants to fly them. Hyperion - You can shield tank it better than a Megathron, makes a decent POS shooter too with it's rep bonus. Cyclone - All the tier 1 BCs are lacking, but I'd argue that the Cyclone is the best of the bunch. It looks like a giant Thrasher and flies like a cheap Hurricane, the fact that nobody respects it makes it a good bait ship. My killboard - http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Kessiaan |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
657
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Posted - 2012.01.21 17:15:00 -
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I fly ships I like flying and I don't much care about the rest.
Works for me. But then, I'm not some anal basement dweller who needs to feed my ego by telling everyone else what's wrong with their ships.
You go girl!
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.01.21 18:54:00 -
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Fix Lag wrote:
AugororT1 cap X-fer great for laser boats and the Rokh
Maller Cheap brick tackle for armor fleets Omen Moa
Ospreygreat for POS reparing
CelestisGoing to get looked at when CCP does a balancing pass for ECM
Exequror Great for POS module repping Scythe
RavenPvE ship, not PvP
Rokh (starting to see a bit more use now that rails were buffed) You said it. Hyperion Typhoon
SentinelGetting looked at for next patch
KitsuneGetting looked at for next patch
Keres Getting looked at for next patch
Hyena Getting looked at for next patch
Revelation
PhoenixAll great for structure grinding if you don't care that you will be hotdroped by 100 titans
Moros
Naglfar
ProphecyA brick tackle that can actually fit guns
FeroxThe Ferox effect strikes again
CycloneA good ship, overshadowed by its big brother the Hurricaine
I count 5 ships that need a good going over.
You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |
Jack Tronic
borkedLabs
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Posted - 2012.01.21 18:56:00 -
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Dreads are used everywhere in wormhole space from ratting to invasions. You can easily see 10 dreads running a single anom in wspace. So they aren't entirely useless. |
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seany1212
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2012.01.21 19:27:00 -
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OP can see all those ships in use when he clicks undock...
Most of those ships if not all of them have there uses by somebody, just because the OP does not use or see them does not mean they need a "fix", i've seen moa's and omens used for gas harvesting and pvp, dreads more time than I care to count, i've seen killmails with pvp EAS's and the fact you put the cyclone up there shows you have no idea what your talking about. Garmon even made a video using one and in my opinion they're on of the most underrated pvp ships you can use |
baltec1
469
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Posted - 2012.01.21 19:28:00 -
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Fix Lag wrote: Hyperion Typhoon
GET OUT. |
Thomas Abernathy
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.21 19:33:00 -
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Supers do everything a Dread can do? Time Dilation caught up with you? I'm training my Nyx pilot to be a Moros pilot, cause the Nyx does everything better...including die.
"Fighting CCD since 2139" |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
1300
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Posted - 2012.01.22 11:20:00 -
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Thank you for your feedback!
Moving the thread to a more appropriate section and removing a few offtopic posts.
CCP Spitfire | Russian Community Coordinator @ccp_spitfire |
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Daniel L'Siata
Echelon Conflict Resolution. Psychotic Tendencies.
77
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Posted - 2012.01.22 11:59:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:Bad list.
Very.
All of the Dreads are fine, but Capital missiles (and a number of missile systems in general) need a review, the Naglfar could also do with tweaks, but it's quite acceptable.
The Cyclone is a fantastic ship, the Hurricane is just more so. The Ferox is strong when used well (And will become more so with the incoming Drake nerfs), Prophecy is fairly poor, yes. Brutix is fine.
The Typhoon is absolutely fantastic, but easily the most skill intensive BS in game. Rokh...are you smoking something? Rokhs are extremely strong. The Raven is actually fairly usable, but Cruise and Torps really aren't and shield BS fleets are still problematic.
The T1 Cruiser balance in general is borked. And EAS are getting looked at (But are already seriously painful in a skilled pilot's hands.
The problem isn't half of those ships, it's either the modules on them or the current state of the meta-game. |
Daniel L'Siata
Echelon Conflict Resolution. Psychotic Tendencies.
77
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Posted - 2012.01.22 12:10:00 -
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Derp. Double post. |
Arrigo Glokta
13
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Posted - 2012.01.22 12:35:00 -
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Well, useless means no use. They're is a use for Prophecy... Bait.
Also, the few that fly the Hyperion says it's pretty darn decent. Not flown it myself.
Ferox with MWD and blasters can be effective.
AND, are you having a laugh - Raven is a great boat for PvE.
Probably more - but these are the ones that jumped out at me. |
Jodie Amille
Core Experimental
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Posted - 2012.01.22 13:14:00 -
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"These ships do not fit into my narrow-minded and restrictive pvp philosophies, they are all terrible."
OP is a troll; thread is terrible and/or pointless |
DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
823
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Posted - 2012.01.22 13:17:00 -
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Jodie Amille wrote:pointless Don't use that word in Ships & Modules. Several people may react in unpredictable ways to it.
Come to Amamake and show you the meaning of glass houses. |
Galerak
CASCADE OF SPECTRES Comic Mischief
1
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Posted - 2012.01.22 15:37:00 -
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Fix Lag wrote:People consistently point out that most ships in Eve Online are left by the wayside when it comes to fighting other people. Here's a list of ships that I haven't seen used very much if at all aside from perhaps mission running (in the case of the Raven and the Hyperion) that aren't basic frigates:
Augoror Maller Omen Moa Osprey Celestis Exequror Scythe Raven Rokh (starting to see a bit more use now that rails were buffed) Hyperion Typhoon Sentinel Kitsune Keres Hyena Revelation Phoenix Moros Naglfar Prophecy Ferox Cyclone
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You forgot the Cerberus, Eagle, Raptor, Brutix, and Hawk. |
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Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
275
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Posted - 2012.01.22 18:52:00 -
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Fix Lag wrote:non judgement wrote:Moros? Wouldn't it be one of the highest used dreads now? All dreads are still terrible coffinboxes for fighting people with.
Jesus you are r.etarded.
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Mike Whiite
Progressive State
9
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Posted - 2012.01.23 10:38:00 -
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hmm, depends on what you want.
Raven is used in PVE quite a lot, untill people can afford an CNR or a Gollem., would be nice to see it more usefull in PVP, though that is more a Missile problem than a Raven problem.
Moa will get more use with the Hybride upgrade.
Kitsune is a great ship in FW or in any 1vs1 frigate fight. Defending complexes or chasing people away from them is a very good use for them.
If CCP wants people to fly more different hulls, let them do something about the insurence system. People will keep flying BC,s because of the difference isk risk.
loosing a drake with insurence will cost about 40/50 million, you can't buy t2 cruiser hull from that. nerf all you will, but when you nerf the insurence you will get more divercity than nerfing single ships, which will only lead to a different ship to be the king of the hill. |
Sicex
13
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Posted - 2012.01.23 11:13:00 -
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I forget where it was recently stated, but CCP said that they will continue to add new ships and toys rather than going for complete balancing of all ships.
That's not to say they won't re-balance a few, but it seems as though they are more eager to add new ones anyway to purposefully create obsolete modules/ships/etc. As EVE grows and evolves it will be interesting to see what happens to these obsolete and useless modules because they will always have to be factored into mineral costs and market fluctuations of mineral prices. It will take a keen mind to either remember or keep track of that info as time progresses but doing so could really pay off big. |
whaynethepain
42
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Posted - 2012.01.23 11:47:00 -
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Yay easy Troll day, whoop whoop.
You obviously have only seen these ships in PVE, because that's all you can do.
I did start reading the wall of text, but it made less sense than your list did, somehow, congrats.
I think you got cabin fever from staying docked too long. Them space cakes aren't what you think.
I too have seen Dreads doing lvl 4's...... not ever.
Lol, thanks, probably gonna have a beer and try reading that again... Getting you on your feet.
So you've further to fall. |
Trinkets friend
Obstergo NEM3SIS.
108
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Posted - 2012.01.23 13:42:00 -
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People talk of Minmatar ships as being entirely used for kiting. Not true: the Typhoon is a boat you MUST fly right into the face f the enemy. Given you have to armour tank it you find it difficult to close with the nanofleets people run in nullsec these days. But if you can get close, spewing torps and spreading cap carnage with 3 or even 4 heavy neuts, it carves a massive swathe of destruction through everything.
If you could make it work as an arty platform, you'd see it used more. Right now, no chance.
Cyclone is great. once the Drake gets nerfbatted, the Cyclone will be able to eat one, maybe two, before breakfast. And thats without the stupid active tank thing it has. It is hard to make the Cyclone active tank properly against anything without a faction booster and pills.
The real issue with the game's lineup of ships is they keep expanding, and getting deadlier. This isn't neccessarily contributing to balance; it just keeps making earlier ships more obsolescent.
Well, maybe we don't need 5 kinds of frigates for each race and 4 cruisers. Certainly if I was a Caldari weapons boffin i'd recommend the Bantam get pulled from production, pull a recall on the BPO's and BPC's, and be done with it. The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man. Sun Tzu
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Duchess Starbuckington
Starbuckington Manor
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Posted - 2012.01.23 15:36:00 -
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Augoror Maller Omen Moa Osprey Celestis Exequror Scythe Raven Rokh Hyperion Typhoon Sentinel Kitsune Keres Hyena Revelation Phoenix Moros Naglfar Prophecy Ferox Cyclone
Bolded the ones you're laughably wrong about for PVP.
To add some that are genuinely worthless: Condor Executioner Slasher Atron Maulus Breacher Inquisitor Succubus Worm |
Plutonian
Intransigent
46
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Posted - 2012.01.23 23:40:00 -
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A fully-skilled Typhoon is dangerous.
If operating within a small fleet, and can go full gank... it's a monster. |
Khrage
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Posted - 2012.01.24 01:32:00 -
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to OP:
Augoror - t1 logistics, low sp requirement and good way to start learning logi. not worhtless dispite what people keep saying about it, like the other t1 logi cruisers. not worthless Maller - not worthless, could use buff though. neuting mallers are good for what they are Omen - laser based t1 cruiser firepower, no what if it has no tank if you get good dps, or vise versa, not worthless Moa - no, blaster moas are some of the most underrated ships out there. not worthless Osprey - haha, not worthless. best mining cruiser for casual miner Celestis - just as effective as its t2 counterparts at dampening. in a fleet with damps as EWAR as choice, for such a cheap ship, it can actually help. worthless alone, but then again, most ships are, yet at the same time, rarely are ships ever alone. Exequror - (top) Scythe - (top) Raven - you sir are a joke if you think the raven is worthless Rokh (starting to see a bit more use now that rails were buffed) - losing credibility with each stupid choice like this Hyperion - not worthless, some of the best warp in dps you can get Typhoon - takes lots of skill, but again you are a joke if you think a phoon is worthless Sentinel - good solo/small frig fleet, but as all EWAR frigs, they are worthless in larger engagements Kitsune - great anti ECM ECMer. all EAFs need buff. smaller the gang, better it is Keres - all EAFs need a buff Hyena - all EAFs need a buff Revelation - you are a joke Phoenix - worst out of the dreads but far from useless. can put out the most dps in specific situations. Moros - shoot yourself in the face with a rack of XL blasters from a moros, it might make you smarter Naglfar - it's effing VERTICAL. not worthless Prophecy - ' https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=681108#post681108 ' it and the ferox really are next to pointless... Ferox - it's more like an issue with the tier system for these, read post above. Cyclone - and you end with a great ship. not worthless. you are.
and to top it all off you didn't put the Eagle on the list... i guess this makes you list completely worthless. |
Palmput
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
14
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Posted - 2012.01.24 02:08:00 -
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I don't think I've ever been on a pos shoot where supercarriers came in to support us. Dreads have this thing called "not worrying about their fighters getting stuck inside the shields". Unless, of course, all you shoot is small pos's. |
Hrett
Quantum Cats Syndicate
30
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Posted - 2012.01.24 02:11:00 -
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I see typhoons and cyclones all the time. Ferox too. Hyperion has a niche - but its tiny and I would like to see it have a bit more utility - like another low slot for ARMOR tank or tracking mods... Starting to see the Rohk in the wild since the hybrid buff.
I think its hilarious that people say that the Raven isnt flown because it is primaried all the time. As a gallente blatership pilot, being primaried is part of life. Boo hoo for the raven.
Personally, I have recently started to like the Celestis. Damps can really ruin a T3 BC day. Or actually, 3 of them at once. |
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