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Fix Lag 245	Posted - 2012.01.21 03:25:00 - [1] - Quote People consistently point out that most ships in Eve Online are left by the wayside when it comes to fighting other people. Here's a list of ships that I haven't seen used very much if at all aside from perhaps mission running (in the case of the Raven and the Hyperion) that aren't basic frigates: Arbitrator Augoror Maller Omen Caracal Moa Osprey Celestis Exequror Scythe Raven Rokh (starting to see a bit more use now that rails were buffed) Hyperion Typhoon Sentinel Kitsune Keres Hyena Revelation Phoenix Moros Naglfar Prophecy Ferox Cyclone Now, you may be wondering, "Why are dreadnoughts on the list of ships you don't see much? They're obviously used a lot." Except that they really aren't because supercapitals do everything they do and much, much more, and when they are used, they're expected to die to supercapitals when the dreads go into siege mode because you can't rep a dread in siege mode. All the electronic attack frigates are on that list, and deservedly so because they are terrible. Most of the T1 cruisers in the game are on there--even the Osprey, which is the poor man's T1 shield logi--because they're simply terrible when compared to the three or four cruisers that people use. The Raven (which aside from stealth bombers is the only ship in the game to use non-capital torpedoes and cruise missiles) is on there because you have to choose between having appalling range or appalling DPS. The Hyperion has some lol-who-thought-of-this active armor rep bonus paired with the still-the-worst weapon platform and slow speed. The Rokh is useless because sniping isn't a viable tactic with current probing mechanics. The Cyclone is simply inferior in every way possible to other battlecruisers. The Ferox...is essentially the Caldari's redheaded stepchild. What's a Prophecy? Have you ever seen one being flown by a player who has any idea what they're doing? I don't think I have, and I've played for years. Dreadnoughts are absolutely terrible. Supercapitals scoff in their direction: dreadnoughts have to go into a five-minute siege mode where they are reliant on their own active rep to survive, their DPS isn't that great (don't tell me how it performs in EFT, thanks in advance you stupid scrub), they have no way of stopping supers from running away, supercapitals do the dreadnought's job of shooting structures a thousand times better, and they're ineffective against subcapitals. Can you name me a single ship that is used in fleets that relies only on its own active rep for survival besides dreadnoughts? I didn't think so. That idea died when fleet sizes surpassed fifty. Active tanks simply do not scale. And that is also why the Hyperion is utterly useless. I can't believe CCP made a trailer where an entire fleet consisted of Gallente battleships because that's exactly what people do not use for fleet fights. It's like they don't play their own game or something. During their little CCP fleet things we could see how they fit their ships: Bhaalgorns with racks of energy vampires? For PvP? I can understand using a pimp ship to fight in, but they had no idea how to fit that ship so that it was actually useful. There is one thing that virtually all these ships have in common, however. They all came out during 2004-2005 or thereabouts, *and have not been looked at since.* CCP finally got the message that they need to rebalance ships. Except they gave one guy the job, and he's a total EFT warrior. In case you don't know what that means, an EFT warrior is someone that looks at a graph of how a ship performs in theory and then makes outrageous, incorrect conclusions about that ship which completely fall apart when actually done in-game. "Blasters and rails are fine!" the EFT Warrior Department at CCP said for years. Well, we know how that went. And so here we are, with loads of useless ships whose stats CCP hasn't adjusted since they made them. And that was seven or eight years ago in most cases. Can you think of any other MMO that has released something that hasn't changed in that long a time frame? Doesn't that tell you something? And don't get me started on how supercapitals use the inverse of the "linear improvement in performance, exponential increase in cost" formula that determines the performance of every other ship in the game. Also, the incompetence of the people who designed this forum meant that I had to rely on copy/pasting this entire post to save it from being lost when the "We were ganked" page displayed after I pressed preview. Get your **** together, CCP.
Akirei Scytale Test Alliance Please Ignore 506	Posted - 2012.01.21 03:28:00 - [2] - Quote the sentinel is f'ing amazing, and the arbitrator is very good at what its supposed to do. typhoons are also used quite a bit, at least in the CFC, in non-standard, disposable fleets. you have a good point, but a pretty bad list of examples. though yeah, ships like the hyperion are inexcuseable as a tier 3 BS.
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 892	Posted - 2012.01.21 03:29:00 - [3] - Quote I should read more and write less but anyhow cruisers are getting thought about at least The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
JC Anderson Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group 163	Posted - 2012.01.21 03:29:00 - [4] - Quote Well, the tier 1 bc's used to be seen a bit more often. Though that was prior to the tier 2's being released and we didn't have many options in that regard for BC hulls. I actually owned and used a Ferox for a bit, and then bought a drake the day they were implemented. From that point on, the ferox was a rare sight. ;) In the latest CSM minutes, it does look like CCP is planning on doing something to revitalize those hulls and give people a reason to fly them though. Both the EAS hulls and the tier 1 bc's are mentioned in specific. And I agree with one of the posters above about the Arbitrator.
Lady Spank Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED 1123	Posted - 2012.01.21 03:40:00 - [5] - Quote Bad list. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â)
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 252	Posted - 2012.01.21 03:41:00 - [6] - Quote I remember my first beer... The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Fix Lag 245	Posted - 2012.01.21 03:43:00 - [7] - Quote I edited the list slightly, so now those that are on there deserve to be on there.
Mara Rinn Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium 915	Posted - 2012.01.21 03:50:00 - [8] - Quote Torp Raven is primaried in PvP, which is why you don't see them so much. Typhoon and Rokh can use torpedoes, but I agree with you about the lack of large missile platforms: the Naga would have been a wonderful torpedo platform. You also forgot the Eagle, which is genuinely the least used ship in the game. At least Mallers are good for bait, thanks to their nifty tank.
Ris Dnalor Black Rebel Rifter Club 160	Posted - 2012.01.21 03:52:00 - [9] - Quote Fix Lag wrote: Augoror Omen Moa Celestis Exequror Hyperion Sentinel Kitsune Keres Hyena Prophecy Ferox These are the ships you wouldn't catch me flying in pvp. I've seen some decent fits for some of the Electronic Attack Frigates, but what they bring to the table leaves me underwhelmed in terms of what other ships could do. The other ones you listed, I think are excellent PVP ships, in particular the Typhoon and the Cyclone are very good pvp ships if somewhat more skill intensive than their counterparts.
Grumpy Owly Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 68	Posted - 2012.01.21 03:55:00 - [10] - Quote Pointless topic, any nerf, buff, rebalance project will only result in a new list by the OP's argument and classiclaly missjudges the niche roles some of the above ships provide that doesnt neccesitate a mainstream comparison.
Mors Magne The Red Exhilez KRYSIS. 10	Posted - 2012.01.21 04:25:00 - [11] - Quote I don't think it's CCP's fault - I love the Typhoon in big fleet battles because it's so fast you can dictate range and survive. However, it's never recommend by FCs I think this is because us humans like to conform (look at the clothes people wear to work).
Nova Fox Novafox Shipyards 2879	Posted - 2012.01.21 04:35:00 - [12] - Quote There is only so much room on the top 20 killers. Nova Fox Shipyards Inventory
Nova Fox Novafox Shipyards 2879	Posted - 2012.01.21 04:39:00 - [13] - Quote This reminds me I need to suggest something that can be deployed to discourage ships warping into an area after its deployed and make similar ones to discourage warping off. brb. Nova Fox Shipyards Inventory
rodyas Tie Fighters Inc 224	Posted - 2012.01.21 04:40:00 - [14] - Quote Your mom is a useless ship. Threads like this generally result in anything positive. Locked.
Fix Lag 245	Posted - 2012.01.21 05:15:00 - [15] - Quote rodyas wrote: Your mom is a useless ship. They changed it into a supercarrier like two years ago and gave it too much functionality
Lykouleon Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 432	Posted - 2012.01.21 05:19:00 - [16] - Quote You're doing it wrong. Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD WIdot Director of Quality Control and Ironically Signing My Title to Posts To Make People ~mad~
non judgement Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance 743	Posted - 2012.01.21 05:20:00 - [17] - Quote Moros? Wouldn't it be one of the highest used dreads now? I don't think much of this list. You're always going to get least used ships in Eve.
Fix Lag 245	Posted - 2012.01.21 05:23:00 - [18] - Quote non judgement wrote: Moros? Wouldn't it be one of the highest used dreads now? All dreads are still terrible coffinboxes for fighting people with.
Ocih Space Mermaids 64	Posted - 2012.01.21 05:32:00 - [19] - Quote It's a game of one trick ponies. These ships can do tricks nobody cares about. True Sansha Large Armor rep Caldari navy Large Armor rep Fed navy Large Armor Rep Khanid Navy Large Armor rep All identical. Who uses Storyline weapons? Why is it you will find 500 Dread Guristas Brass tags on the market in the Forge and they are worth 2K, Guristas Brass tags go for 14 mill and are far mor abundant? I won't say CCP don't know what they are doing. That's not appropriate or accurate. Over the years they added things that are obselete and either can go or be repurposed. EVE is full of junk.
Rob Kepie Global Economy Experts Stellar Economy Experts 0	Posted - 2012.01.21 05:39:00 - [20] - Quote Many cruisers and battlecruisers make themselves useful as gas harvesting ships. They might not serve ideally as PVP ships, but they can make you more isk than a Hulk.
Corina Jarr Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built 515	Posted - 2012.01.21 05:46:00 - [21] - Quote The Rohk is the best mining BS out there, take it off your list! Anyway, the Maller is great, can do lvl 3s with it as long as its Sansha or Blood (other have too much EM resist for it to be effective). Omen... needs help. And the Augurer need a purpose. The Prophecy, like most t1 BC, needs looking at. And thats the only ships I can comment on as I haven't flown the rest.
Hannibalx 12	Posted - 2012.01.21 05:56:00 - [22] - Quote Typhoon is an absolute beast. I don't think it belongs on the list.
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1289	Posted - 2012.01.21 05:59:00 - [23] - Quote I saw similar list with similar "thread name" some time ago .. However as CCP go for "making sub-BS" revamp / aka making all of the ships usefull .. not just something you will never sit in .. or you will just for the time you get to the next "usable" ship , this thread here and now seems like too little too late.. But effort is there.
Akrasjel Lanate Naquatech Conglomerate 516	Posted - 2012.01.21 09:38:00 - [24] - Quote You on drugs or what ? Not an expert but i think few ships don't fit this list.
Ultim8Evil Fly Drunk Fatal Ascension 9	Posted - 2012.01.21 09:56:00 - [25] - Quote Fix Lag wrote: non judgement wrote: Moros? Wouldn't it be one of the highest used dreads now? All dreads are still terrible coffinboxes for fighting people with. Poasting to confirm dreads are indeed for shooting people, not structures.
Valei Khurelem 182	Posted - 2012.01.21 09:57:00 - [26] - Quote I was about to completely agree with you then I realised you were ranting about only super caps, the problem is with the whole game and how combat is designed. "don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium
Cathy Drall Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 170	Posted - 2012.01.21 09:57:00 - [27] - Quote Akrasjel Lanate wrote: You on drugs or what ? Not an expert but i think few ships don't fit this list. That may be, but a lot - I'd even saythe majority - of EVE ships (and you can say the same for a lot of modules and LP rewards) are redundant. Not sure why it's so hard to balance ships a little (and why do we still have tiers in the first place) after 8 years but imho CCP isn't doing a particulary great job.
VC General No Baals Inc 36	Posted - 2012.01.21 10:09:00 - [28] - Quote The Ferox is a fine ship, especially after the hybrid changes. It's now a viable blaster platform, and has always been a good sniping BC. Its ability to passive tank is almost as good as the Drake, which will soon be getting the nerf stick.
Shin Rhea White Wolfes 1	Posted - 2012.01.21 12:20:00 - [29] - Quote I thought about posting ideas and opinions on this thread. Then i checked the OP's last posts and found out, that he just likes to flame...
ElQuirko The Demonfuge Malevolent Fan Club 328	Posted - 2012.01.21 13:39:00 - [30] - Quote Fix Lag wrote: Can you name me a single ship that is used in fleets that relies only on its own active rep for survival besides dreadnoughts? I didn't think so. Triage carrier. And THAT is VERY common. If we distribute pictures of people, does that mean God can file copyright claims under SOPA?
PotatoOverdose Royal Black Watch Highlanders Flatline. 23	Posted - 2012.01.21 14:31:00 - [31] - Quote Fix Lag wrote: Augoror ~~Maller~~ Omen ~~Moa~~ Osprey Celestis Exequror Scythe Raven ~~Rokh~~ ~~Hyperion~~ ~~Typhoon~~ ~~Sentinel~~ Kitsune Keres Hyena ~~Revelation~~ ~~Phoenix~~ ~~Moros~~ ~~Naglfar~~ Prophecy Ferox Cyclone Fixed your list for you.
Bane Loppknow Aliastra Gallente Federation 33	Posted - 2012.01.21 14:32:00 - [32] - Quote I've flown successful Sentinel and Arbitrators in small gang pvp. It was quite fun, actually. I've also successfully flown Prophecies, though more because I really really like the hull. It's pretty under-achieving, though.
David Grogan The Motley Crew Reborn 298	Posted - 2012.01.21 15:19:00 - [33] - Quote the osprey is still a well used ship for pos repping in empire/low sec/null sec. "Pospreys" as they are fondly named are cheap as chips to fly, low skill requirements mean even noobs can fly them fairly quickly. depending on how much u wanna spend but for less than 5mil u can fit a 2 large rep cap stable fit posprey highs 2x meta 4 large shield xfers mids and lows cap rechargers and relays for about 20mil u can put 3x cap rigs on drop two cap relays and fit a powergrid & cpu upgrade and squeeze a 3rd large shield xfer on and still be cap stable though this does require a bit more skills and some 3% or better shield implants. Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs.
Aqriue Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 450	Posted - 2012.01.21 15:47:00 - [34] - Quote Fix Lag wrote: Augoror Maller Omen Moa Osprey Celestis Exequror Scythe Raven Rokh (starting to see a bit more use now that rails were buffed) Hyperion Typhoon Sentinel Kitsune Keres Hyena Revelation Phoenix Moros Naglfar Prophecy Ferox Cyclone Hmm, don't see the Hulk up there. Pretty useless ship, worst reason to fly a Hulk is for minerals since rogue drones and mission's drop modules for refining while the best reason to fly a Hulk is to pretend to be a goat tied down to asteroid fields and then just die to a gank (aka, KM padding. Hulk just dies so easily, why else do you think its targeted so much? killmail padding and ego stroking, of course). Plus mining is the worst career choice, better off getting rid of asteroids so we don't need those Hulks, CCP doesn't need a reason to revamp mining at all since asteroids are gone, NPC seed can provide everything we need to buy minerals and a sudden isk sink is created (with minerals at over inflated prices of course) Back on topic then, since the Hulk would then be gone thats one less ship for CCP to look at and they could then concentrate on the rest of them that need to be buffed.
Nephilius Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 291	Posted - 2012.01.21 16:22:00 - [35] - Quote Raven and Typhoon are good mission boats, especially the Raven. Maller makes for a wicked piece of bait, tank it six ways to sunday. I had a buddy that had so much tank on his it took 12km to turn, lol! Osprey is a great almost entry level mining platform, and the Rokh make for a decent in a pinch mining platform as well. These are about the only ones I can really speak on, but it's not necessarily the fault of CCP, per se. Alot of that lies with the players as well. The propensity to stick with what works, coupled with loss aversion, has fostered a mentality of using only certain ships. No one really gets out there and tries no things. But I'd also wager that if we, as a community, did not have as many choices as we do, we'd be all up in arms about it. The ships are there for anyone to use at any time, it's up to you to make something happen with them. Think outside the box. If you bring down a giant, you're a hero. If you kill something weak-even if it has to die-then you will endure contempt.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 146	Posted - 2012.01.21 16:32:00 - [36] - Quote Ravens are used a lot for (high damage) suicide ganking, maybe the reason you listed them there is wrong. Also, the predominance of Drakes, their tank and low cost made them overshadow every other caldari ship except Tengu. Phoons are high SP, specialty ships but they do find applications in diverse activities. Cyclones are low cost BCs that with proper implants & boosters can reserve some surprise (they could use some tweaking though). Osprey = cost effective shield repairer, gas harvester, most effective entry level mining cruiser.
Kessiaan Greater Order Of Destruction Happy Endings 38	Posted - 2012.01.21 16:55:00 - [37] - Quote Maller - Can fit a BS-level buffer on a cruiser hull, one of the best bait ships around. Omen - I've seen youtube vids who make RR gangs out of these for lols and it actually works. Surprised it's not used more often. Osprey/Exequror - I've seen these used as logis in FW plexes where you can't bring T2 cruisers. Celestis - It can fit a 1600 plate and has 5 mids. It's unbeatable for cheap gate tackle in lowsec (with 3 sebos) or for baiting drams (with 3 webs) Scythe - I always though this ship's primary use was as a mining platform for noobs. Raven - Torp ravens can be good, they just get primaried a lot so nobody wants to fly them. Hyperion - You can shield tank it better than a Megathron, makes a decent POS shooter too with it's rep bonus. Cyclone - All the tier 1 BCs are lacking, but I'd argue that the Cyclone is the best of the bunch. It looks like a giant Thrasher and flies like a cheap Hurricane, the fact that nobody respects it makes it a good bait ship. My killboard - http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Kessiaan
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 657	Posted - 2012.01.21 17:15:00 - [38] - Quote I fly ships I like flying and I don't much care about the rest. Works for me. But then, I'm not some anal basement dweller who needs to feed my ego by telling everyone else what's wrong with their ships. You go girl! Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too!
Falin Whalen GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 104	Posted - 2012.01.21 18:54:00 - [39] - Quote Fix Lag wrote: ~~Augoror~~T1 cap X-fer great for laser boats and the Rokh ~~Maller~~ Cheap brick tackle for armor fleets Omen Moa ~~Osprey~~great for POS reparing ~~Celestis~~Going to get looked at when CCP does a balancing pass for ECM ~~Exequror~~ Great for POS module repping Scythe ~~Raven~~PvE ship, not PvP ~~Rokh~~ (starting to see a bit more use now that rails were buffed) You said it. Hyperion Typhoon ~~Sentinel~~Getting looked at for next patch ~~Kitsune~~Getting looked at for next patch ~~Keres~~ Getting looked at for next patch ~~Hyena~~ Getting looked at for next patch ~~Revelation~~ ~~Phoenix~~All great for structure grinding if you don't care that you will be hotdroped by 100 titans ~~Moros~~ ~~Naglfar~~ ~~Prophecy~~A brick tackle that can actually fit guns ~~Ferox~~The Ferox effect strikes again ~~Cyclone~~A good ship, overshadowed by its big brother the Hurricaine I count 5 ships that need a good going over. You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons.
Jack Tronic borkedLabs 36	Posted - 2012.01.21 18:56:00 - [40] - Quote Dreads are used everywhere in wormhole space from ratting to invasions. You can easily see 10 dreads running a single anom in wspace. So they aren't entirely useless.
seany1212 eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred 71	Posted - 2012.01.21 19:27:00 - [41] - Quote OP can see all those ships in use when he clicks undock... Most of those ships if not all of them have there uses by somebody, just because the OP does not use or see them does not mean they need a "fix", i've seen moa's and omens used for gas harvesting and pvp, dreads more time than I care to count, i've seen killmails with pvp EAS's and the fact you put the cyclone up there shows you have no idea what your talking about. Garmon even made a video using one and in my opinion they're on of the most underrated pvp ships you can use
baltec1 469	Posted - 2012.01.21 19:28:00 - [42] - Quote Fix Lag wrote: Hyperion Typhoon GET OUT.
Thomas Abernathy Viziam Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2012.01.21 19:33:00 - [43] - Quote Supers do everything a Dread can do? Time Dilation caught up with you? I'm training my Nyx pilot to be a Moros pilot, cause the Nyx does everything better...including die. "Fighting CCD since 2139"

CCP Spitfire C C P C C P Alliance 1300	Posted - 2012.01.22 11:20:00 - [44] - Quote Thank you for your feedback! Moving the thread to a more appropriate section and removing a few offtopic posts. CCP Spitfire \| Russian Community Coordinator @ccp_spitfire

Daniel L'Siata Echelon Conflict Resolution. Psychotic Tendencies. 77	Posted - 2012.01.22 11:59:00 - [45] - Quote Lady Spank wrote: Bad list. Very. All of the Dreads are fine, but Capital missiles (and a number of missile systems in general) need a review, the Naglfar could also do with tweaks, but it's quite acceptable. The Cyclone is a fantastic ship, the Hurricane is just more so. The Ferox is strong when used well (And will become more so with the incoming Drake nerfs), Prophecy is fairly poor, yes. Brutix is fine. The Typhoon is absolutely fantastic, but easily the most skill intensive BS in game. Rokh...are you smoking something? Rokhs are extremely strong. The Raven is actually fairly usable, but Cruise and Torps really aren't and shield BS fleets are still problematic. The T1 Cruiser balance in general is borked. And EAS are getting looked at (But are already seriously painful in a skilled pilot's hands. The problem isn't half of those ships, it's either the modules on them or the current state of the meta-game.
Daniel L'Siata Echelon Conflict Resolution. Psychotic Tendencies. 77	Posted - 2012.01.22 12:10:00 - [46] - Quote Derp. Double post.
Arrigo Glokta 13	Posted - 2012.01.22 12:35:00 - [47] - Quote Well, useless means no use. They're is a use for Prophecy... Bait. Also, the few that fly the Hyperion says it's pretty darn decent. Not flown it myself. Ferox with MWD and blasters can be effective. AND, are you having a laugh - Raven is a great boat for PvE. Probably more - but these are the ones that jumped out at me.
Jodie Amille Core Experimental 2	Posted - 2012.01.22 13:14:00 - [48] - Quote "These ships do not fit into my narrow-minded and restrictive pvp philosophies, they are all terrible." OP is a troll; thread is terrible and/or pointless
DarkAegix Acetech Systems 823	Posted - 2012.01.22 13:17:00 - [49] - Quote Jodie Amille wrote: pointless Don't use that word in Ships & Modules. Several people may react in unpredictable ways to it. Come to Amamake and show you the meaning of glass houses.
Galerak CASCADE OF SPECTRES Comic Mischief 1	Posted - 2012.01.22 15:37:00 - [50] - Quote Fix Lag wrote: People consistently point out that most ships in Eve Online are left by the wayside when it comes to fighting other people. Here's a list of ships that I haven't seen used very much if at all aside from perhaps mission running (in the case of the Raven and the Hyperion) that aren't basic frigates: Augoror Maller Omen Moa Osprey Celestis Exequror Scythe Raven Rokh (starting to see a bit more use now that rails were buffed) Hyperion Typhoon Sentinel Kitsune Keres Hyena Revelation Phoenix Moros Naglfar Prophecy Ferox Cyclone . You forgot the Cerberus, Eagle, Raptor, Brutix, and Hawk.
Mfume Apocal Origin. Black Legion. 275	Posted - 2012.01.22 18:52:00 - [51] - Quote Fix Lag wrote: non judgement wrote: Moros? Wouldn't it be one of the highest used dreads now? All dreads are still terrible coffinboxes for fighting people with. Jesus you are r.etarded.
Mike Whiite Progressive State 9	Posted - 2012.01.23 10:38:00 - [52] - Quote hmm, depends on what you want. Raven is used in PVE quite a lot, untill people can afford an CNR or a Gollem., would be nice to see it more usefull in PVP, though that is more a Missile problem than a Raven problem. Moa will get more use with the Hybride upgrade. Kitsune is a great ship in FW or in any 1vs1 frigate fight. Defending complexes or chasing people away from them is a very good use for them. If CCP wants people to fly more different hulls, let them do something about the insurence system. People will keep flying BC,s because of the difference isk risk. loosing a drake with insurence will cost about 40/50 million, you can't buy t2 cruiser hull from that. nerf all you will, but when you nerf the insurence you will get more divercity than nerfing single ships, which will only lead to a different ship to be the king of the hill.
Sicex 13	Posted - 2012.01.23 11:13:00 - [53] - Quote I forget where it was recently stated, but CCP said that they will continue to add new ships and toys rather than going for complete balancing of all ships. That's not to say they won't re-balance a few, but it seems as though they are more eager to add new ones anyway to purposefully create obsolete modules/ships/etc. As EVE grows and evolves it will be interesting to see what happens to these obsolete and useless modules because they will always have to be factored into mineral costs and market fluctuations of mineral prices. It will take a keen mind to either remember or keep track of that info as time progresses but doing so could really pay off big.
whaynethepain 42	Posted - 2012.01.23 11:47:00 - [54] - Quote Yay easy Troll day, whoop whoop. You obviously have only seen these ships in PVE, because that's all you can do. I did start reading the wall of text, but it made less sense than your list did, somehow, congrats. I think you got cabin fever from staying docked too long. Them space cakes aren't what you think. I too have seen Dreads doing lvl 4's...... not ever. Lol, thanks, probably gonna have a beer and try reading that again... Getting you on your feet. So you've further to fall.
Trinkets friend Obstergo NEM3SIS. 108	Posted - 2012.01.23 13:42:00 - [55] - Quote People talk of Minmatar ships as being entirely used for kiting. Not true: the Typhoon is a boat you MUST fly right into the face f the enemy. Given you have to armour tank it you find it difficult to close with the nanofleets people run in nullsec these days. But if you can get close, spewing torps and spreading cap carnage with 3 or even 4 heavy neuts, it carves a massive swathe of destruction through everything. If you could make it work as an arty platform, you'd see it used more. Right now, no chance. Cyclone is great. once the Drake gets nerfbatted, the Cyclone will be able to eat one, maybe two, before breakfast. And thats without the stupid active tank thing it has. It is hard to make the Cyclone active tank properly against anything without a faction booster and pills. The real issue with the game's lineup of ships is they keep expanding, and getting deadlier. This isn't neccessarily contributing to balance; it just keeps making earlier ships more obsolescent. Well, maybe we don't need 5 kinds of frigates for each race and 4 cruisers. Certainly if I was a Caldari weapons boffin i'd recommend the Bantam get pulled from production, pull a recall on the BPO's and BPC's, and be done with it. The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man. Sun Tzu
Duchess Starbuckington Starbuckington Manor 98	Posted - 2012.01.23 15:36:00 - [56] - Quote Augoror Maller Omen Moa Osprey Celestis Exequror Scythe Raven Rokh Hyperion Typhoon Sentinel Kitsune Keres Hyena Revelation Phoenix Moros Naglfar Prophecy Ferox Cyclone Bolded the ones you're laughably wrong about for PVP. To add some that are genuinely worthless: Condor Executioner Slasher Atron Maulus Breacher Inquisitor Succubus Worm
Plutonian Intransigent 46	Posted - 2012.01.23 23:40:00 - [57] - Quote A fully-skilled Typhoon is dangerous. If operating within a small fleet, and can go full gank... it's a monster.
Khrage 74	Posted - 2012.01.24 01:32:00 - [58] - Quote to OP: Augoror - t1 logistics, low sp requirement and good way to start learning logi. not worhtless dispite what people keep saying about it, like the other t1 logi cruisers. not worthless Maller - not worthless, could use buff though. neuting mallers are good for what they are Omen - laser based t1 cruiser firepower, no what if it has no tank if you get good dps, or vise versa, not worthless Moa - no, blaster moas are some of the most underrated ships out there. not worthless Osprey - haha, not worthless. best mining cruiser for casual miner Celestis - just as effective as its t2 counterparts at dampening. in a fleet with damps as EWAR as choice, for such a cheap ship, it can actually help. worthless alone, but then again, most ships are, yet at the same time, rarely are ships ever alone. Exequror - (top) Scythe - (top) Raven - you sir are a joke if you think the raven is worthless Rokh (starting to see a bit more use now that rails were buffed) - losing credibility with each stupid choice like this Hyperion - not worthless, some of the best warp in dps you can get Typhoon - takes lots of skill, but again you are a joke if you think a phoon is worthless Sentinel - good solo/small frig fleet, but as all EWAR frigs, they are worthless in larger engagements Kitsune - great anti ECM ECMer. all EAFs need buff. smaller the gang, better it is Keres - all EAFs need a buff Hyena - all EAFs need a buff Revelation - you are a joke Phoenix - worst out of the dreads but far from useless. can put out the most dps in specific situations. Moros - shoot yourself in the face with a rack of XL blasters from a moros, it might make you smarter Naglfar - it's effing VERTICAL. not worthless Prophecy - ' https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=681108#post681108 ' it and the ferox really are next to pointless... Ferox - it's more like an issue with the tier system for these, read post above. Cyclone - and you end with a great ship. not worthless. you are. and to top it all off you didn't put the Eagle on the list... i guess this makes you list completely worthless.
Palmput Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild 14	Posted - 2012.01.24 02:08:00 - [59] - Quote I don't think I've ever been on a pos shoot where supercarriers came in to support us. Dreads have this thing called "not worrying about their fighters getting stuck inside the shields". Unless, of course, all you shoot is small pos's.
Hrett Quantum Cats Syndicate 30	Posted - 2012.01.24 02:11:00 - [60] - Quote I see typhoons and cyclones all the time. Ferox too. Hyperion has a niche - but its tiny and I would like to see it have a bit more utility - like another low slot for ARMOR tank or tracking mods... Starting to see the Rohk in the wild since the hybrid buff. I think its hilarious that people say that the Raven isnt flown because it is primaried all the time. As a gallente blatership pilot, being primaried is part of life. Boo hoo for the raven. Personally, I have recently started to like the Celestis. Damps can really ruin a T3 BC day. Or actually, 3 of them at once.
Silas Shaw Coffee Hub 6	Posted - 2012.01.24 02:20:00 - [61] - Quote Fix Lag wrote: non judgement wrote: Moros? Wouldn't it be one of the highest used dreads now? All dreads are still terrible coffinboxes for fighting people with. so why aren't dictors on this list? useful, but terrible to fight with and a coffin besides.
mecubed Amarrian Retribution 3	Posted - 2012.01.24 15:14:00 - [62] - Quote Aside from Drake and Tengu, most of caldari ships should be on that list. Missiles need an update, especially cruise and torps ships could use a buff. Why fly a Torp Raven on fleet when you can fly a Mael with arties, getting close to double the alpha, near similar dps and more than double the range, being faster and have a less sig radius. Not to mention that wonderful thing called travel time. T1 BC's are slacking along with T1 cruisers aside from Minnie ships. Most could big helped in a big way with just a power grid increase.
Berendas Clandestine Vector THE SPACE P0LICE 179	Posted - 2012.01.24 15:52:00 - [63] - Quote The Typhoon is on that list? Are you high?

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