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Speed Devil Caldari Mean Machines	Posted - 2007.10.02 23:39:00 - [91] Edited by: Speed Devil on 02/10/2007 23:39:45 i was forced once to be under 30h psychiatric supervision from the judge, so i guess that article might apply to me
Devian 666 Sectoid Technologies	Posted - 2007.10.02 23:56:00 - [92] Originally by: Speed Devil Edited by: Speed Devil on 02/10/2007 23:39:45 i was forced once to be under 30h psychiatric supervision from the judge, so i guess that article might apply to me Well according to the article that means you'll be incapable of mining so you'd better go and suicide some more ships. I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star. Most people have missed the point that this is Mobsters Online and that carebears are at the bottom of the foodchain.
Aille Pluthrak Caldari Racketeers	Posted - 2007.10.03 02:31:00 - [93] Originally by: Seviche Phoenix Originally by: Aille Pluthrak Did you miss the part where I wrote "I have found it rather enjoyable to play the bad guy, mean person, jackass, whatever."? And yes, I pay $15 a month to play the game my way. I could care less about your enjoyment of the game. I could care less if people whom I do not fly with hate me, like me, feel indifferent to me. You are all just pixels on a computer screen to me. So, how does the linked article in the OP not apply to you? First, you dehumanize the other side. Then it is easy to commit atrocities and feel nothing. Nothing but pixels? Interesting. Lets see. Because I don't care about peoples feelings in this game when I destroy their pixels then you surmize it would be a hop, skip and a jump for me to commit atrocities and feel nothing? Did you get your psych degree off the back of a match book? I'm married and feel bad whenever she feels sad. I like dogs (I have 5 in fact). I try not to kill anything (even the bugs on the windshield when car is standing still). Crickets I will kill in a heartbeat. They keep me up at night. And because I have no feelings for the pixels I blast in a computer MMO I am a monster? Wow, just wow. You are the type of person that makes this game a joy to play.
Leora Nomen	Posted - 2007.10.03 05:48:00 - [94] Originally by: Aille Pluthrak stuff You make it sound like people are only people to you if you see them at work, at home, in the store, etc. As soon as they are connected with you only through internet and TS/Vent they turn into pixels for which you say you feel nothing. But it is not pixels that you chat with in game, it's real people, and it is not pixels that get destroyed, it is their time playing EVE which sets them back (not that i'm against it as this is intended by design of the game). After reading you last post, however, I find it difficult to believe that you have no feelings for people you play with or against. I mean why feel "happy and rather proud" over a corp disbanding? I don't suppose a bunch of pixels disbanding can make anyone proud (that is anyone who is sane). guide to game time codes
Krows Resource Reallocators Incorporated	Posted - 2007.10.03 05:54:00 - [95] Leora, We don't violate the rules of the game at all. You play this game with the knowledge in mind that you are a target to all other players and this is about the only place where they can do what they wish to you without any fear of repercussion; except from their target. It's a rough world in EVE and that's what makes it so enjoyable. I'm a very kind person in real life with a very dark sense of humour, that's about it. I'm not a sadist, hell I felt terrible for shooting a frog with my BB gun when I was in the third grade. The thing is, if you are REALLY that upset over a game that you are willing to throw down your headset in rage when your mining op is disrupted or your corp is harassed (with a ransom offered), you are surely playing the wrong game. It all comes with the package, get used to it or get out. What I say here... does not reflect on my corp or alliance.
ragupasta Amarr	Posted - 2007.10.03 07:01:00 - [96] Im just getting into the whole pirate thing, and I have had an odd skirmish or two, and the fun is great. Now this is what I see.... Fly into a belt, an NPC comes along and fires at me. I return the favour, but a lot harsher than it was given to me. I loot the wreck and salvage it. Now I fly into a belt, and there is a cruiser ratting, so I lock and maneuver in, get a lock then scramble and web, so he does the same. Now we are shooting the hell out of each other, he slaps a NOS on me......Time for thinking on your feet! Which is more fun, NPC-ing or quick thinking strategy fun? Sometimes it backfires and I lose my ship/get podded, but I have a clone, and I buy a new ship, and get back to it. No animosity at all. Why do I do it, because PVP is better fun, and the people I have PVP'd with have been top people, great to chat with, and I have made a friend or two, even though it cost me my ship...no biggie. "No Shrink's couch in sight!" YAAARRRRRRRRRRRR PIRACY FTW!!!
Templer Relleg Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.10.03 07:05:00 - [97] Im in the psychiatric system. Im sorry im such a jerk. But mentally ill isnt the case. Im not ill in any way
Leora Nomen	Posted - 2007.10.03 07:11:00 - [98] Originally by: Krows stuff You misunderstand. I have absolutely no problem being target to all other players and I am not saying that anyone who kills characters in an mmorpg game is a sadist. I have a problem with people playing intentionally to upset or angry other people who are playing the game with them because it gives them enjoyment, as well as them saying they have the right to do so, or that they aren't griefing at all while they are clearly aiming to upset others with what they say and do in game. This thread went like this. There's an article linked with "psychobabble" explanation of why people would choose to grief in games which the OP for some reason decided to title "why pirates are such jerks" even though it talks about griefers, not people who pirate in EVE. Someone else said "man, gotta love all this psychobabble". I said "but still in EVE there are griefers and pirates and it is interesting to know why some people grief". To which that person responded "oh common it is just a game" and all players are just "regular guys" like there are no real life differences between people who play to grief and those who don't. To which I insisted that there are psychological differences between these types of players and got a response that I'm just a crazy carebear and i must think all pirates are "subhuman degenerates" and "ansisocial". At this point I said I pirate too and this wasn't at all what i said. There are players who play to grief in EVE and smack in local is proof for me enough. Then Aille comes in and says well I'm justified to smack other players because of so and so and i also can behave however I want in the game and have no regard for other players. To which I relied in essence that I disagree. I definitely haven't said anywhere that pvp is against the rules of the game or that all pirates are horrible people in real life. guide to game time codes
Arekhon Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.10.03 07:12:00 - [99] hmmm...makes me wonder if a video game could give some one PTSD from their 1st brush with piracy? the only shrink I see is my d*** when the cold shower hits it... "Where are you guys going in your battleships?" "We are going to camp in Amamake; kill 500 carebears and 1 NPC" "Why are you gonna kill an NPC?" "See, nobody cares about the carebears!" [BEES]
Strife Phoenix Acerbus Vindictum	Posted - 2007.10.03 08:05:00 - [100] Ai is pzyko in EVE and ai is murdr0rz in counterstrike.. tis meen I go jail? :( I want my mommy.. Acerbus-Vindictum - Revelare Pecunia!
Aille Pluthrak Caldari Racketeers	Posted - 2007.10.03 14:03:00 - [101] Originally by: Leora Nomen stuff I have feelings for the people I play with. They are a bunch of *****s. The people I play against are just targets. You take this game** to serious. I have always disliked it when people start bringing in "how did that make you feel, Tommy, when you blew Jimmys space ship up" with their goal being to make Tommy out to be an anti-social misfit. Fine, I am an anti-social misfit with delusions of world domination who really really really enjoys blowing up Jimmys space ship.
Lavraen Minmatar Beyond Divinity Inc Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.10.03 14:20:00 - [102] Originally by: Aille Pluthrak Edited by: Aille Pluthrak on 03/10/2007 02:42:35 Originally by: Seviche Phoenix Originally by: Aille Pluthrak Did you miss the part where I wrote "I have found it rather enjoyable to play the bad guy, mean person, jackass, whatever."? And yes, I pay $15 a month to play the game my way. I could care less about your enjoyment of the game. I could care less if people whom I do not fly with hate me, like me, feel indifferent to me. You are all just pixels on a computer screen to me. So, how does the linked article in the OP not apply to you? First, you dehumanize the other side. Then it is easy to commit atrocities and feel nothing. Nothing but pixels? Interesting. Lets see. Because I don't care about peoples feelings in this game when I destroy their pixels then you surmize it would be a hop, skip and a jump for me to commit atrocities and feel nothing? Did you get your psych degree off the back of a match book? I'm married and feel bad whenever she feels sad. I like dogs (I have 5 in fact). I try not to kill anything (even the bugs on the windshield when car is standing still). Crickets I will kill in a heartbeat. They keep me up at night. And because I have no feelings for the pixels I blast in a computer MMO I am a monster? Wow, just wow. You are the type of person that makes this game a joy to play. BTW, had a great day today in game. We had wardecced a corp last Friday (I think it was around Friday). They joined an alliance to get away from us. That alliance helped them not at all because we still visited their home station and killed and poded all we could (along with any of the alliance people we ran across). Granted, we were the last of the corps to war dec em in the past 7 weeks but their CEO told our person who was camping em in today that the corp had had enough and had disentigated with only a handful of people left. In fact they left the alliance after only being in there for two days. They got out of the last two days of the war dec that way. So you could say we "griefed" em to the point where the corp might just disband. Am I sad that we (my corp) may have had a hand in this? No. I am happy and rather proud. This game is not for the weak. This game is not for people with short attention spans. This game is not for the people who want things now. That old saying "If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen" comes to mind. Have a nice day. Yeah I've heard you on vent and read your posts on the RAK forum and you seem like a jackass in real life to be honest. Lavraen
Aille Pluthrak Caldari Racketeers	Posted - 2007.10.03 15:30:00 - [103] Edited by: Aille Pluthrak on 03/10/2007 15:35:49 Edited by: Aille Pluthrak on 03/10/2007 15:31:24 Originally by: Lavraen Yeah I've heard you on vent and read your posts on the RAK forum and you seem like a jackass in real life to be honest. I meant what I said concerning Raven. If he had said at any time to kill your ship and pod you I would have done it without a second thought. You do a good impersonation of a jackass yourself Lav. I actually had to talk Mave out of podding you one night. Imagine that.
Lavraen Minmatar Beyond Divinity Inc Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.10.03 18:34:00 - [104] Originally by: Aille Pluthrak Edited by: Aille Pluthrak on 03/10/2007 15:35:49 Edited by: Aille Pluthrak on 03/10/2007 15:31:24 Originally by: Lavraen Yeah I've heard you on vent and read your posts on the RAK forum and you seem like a jackass in real life to be honest. I meant what I said concerning Raven. If he had said at any time to kill your ship and pod you I would have done it without a second thought. You do a good impersonation of a jackass yourself Lav. I actually had to talk Mave out of podding you one night. Imagine that. Hahaha you really think you were pulling the strings when I was in RAK? Ironically, I had to be talked out of podding you and Mave then kicking you both out of RAK by the other directors, so you're lucky to still be there. You're not as well liked or as important as you might think. Imagine THAT. Lavraen
Seviche Phoenix	Posted - 2007.10.03 19:09:00 - [105] Originally by: Aille Pluthrak Lets see. Because I don't care about peoples feelings in this game when I destroy their pixels then you surmize it would be a hop, skip and a jump for me to commit atrocities and feel nothing? Did you get your psych degree off the back of a match book? Not at all. Merely because you dehumanize people in one aspect of your life, it isn't a huge jump to assume that it's not the only place you do it. Only the anonymity of the internets, and the fact that it's just a game, allow you to justify your desires and activities. You are JGGIFT personified. Quote: I'm married and feel bad whenever she feels sad. I like dogs (I have 5 in fact). I try not to kill anything (even the bugs on the windshield when car is standing still). Crickets I will kill in a heartbeat. They keep me up at night. And because I have no feelings for the pixels I blast in a computer MMO I am a monster? Wow, just wow. Monster? Not at all, but you do have an interesting way of justifying your disassociation with, and lack of, humanity when you can't see others face-to-face. I'm not judging, I'm merely commenting. Quote: You are the type of person that makes this game a joy to play. Of course. Glad to help! Quote: This game is not for the weak. This game is not for people with short attention spans. This game is not for the people who want things now. That old saying "If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen" comes to mind. Have a nice day. You? Heat? Oh lordy, the irony meter pegged and broke. No easy game is ever worth it. Of that, I am sure, there is no argument. Then again, that's not what this was about. /shrug
Khavid Kharver	Posted - 2007.10.03 19:49:00 - [106] Edited by: Khavid Kharver on 03/10/2007 19:51:52 Wow, are people in to justifying what they do. And the lengths all of you go to dehumanize your opponants (and that goes double for those who claim the people they are complaining about dehumanize their opponants). FACT: No one in Eve really knows anyone else, unless they know them in RL too. FACT: No one here knows anyone well enough, and certainly most of us here lack the qualifications to make that call anyway, to say someone is mentally unballenced. I have no doubt that some pirates are complete jerks and even some of them could be mentally unballenced. But I bet the numbers of miners who fit those descriptions are not significantly different! Personally, I don't see the fun in attacking anyone and everyone just because you can. I like PvP, but I prefer to engage in it in a way that lets me feel I have done some good. BUT I also don't think that means there is anything wrong with them. Hey, while I do mine, I also don't see what people who mine all day find fun either, and I am MORE inclinded to think there might be something wrong with them! As for the Racketeers and those like minded corps and individuals, there are a couple of things you can do if you want to keep playing Eve. Eve's a big place, go somewhere where they are not. Or understand (they have told you this enough times) they do these things because they find them fun. Figure out how to make it so its not fun to do it to you. And here is a hint about how to go about doing that second one. Whining about their actions on the forum most likely makes it more fun to take you on.
Faekurias Federation Fleet Endless Horizon	Posted - 2007.10.03 20:19:00 - [107] TLDR but pirates ftw ! \o/
Aille Pluthrak Caldari Racketeers	Posted - 2007.10.03 20:57:00 - [108] Originally by: Lavraen Originally by: Aille Pluthrak Edited by: Aille Pluthrak on 03/10/2007 15:35:49 Edited by: Aille Pluthrak on 03/10/2007 15:31:24 Originally by: Lavraen Yeah I've heard you on vent and read your posts on the RAK forum and you seem like a jackass in real life to be honest. I meant what I said concerning Raven. If he had said at any time to kill your ship and pod you I would have done it without a second thought. You do a good impersonation of a jackass yourself Lav. I actually had to talk Mave out of podding you one night. Imagine that. Hahaha you really think you were pulling the strings when I was in RAK? Ironically, I had to be talked out of podding you and Mave then kicking you both out of RAK by the other directors, so you're lucky to still be there. You're not as well liked or as important as you might think. Imagine THAT. Let's derail this some more. Remind me again who is still in RAK and who isn't? I could care less about being liked by a lot of people. And I know how important I am (I am not important at all). But for some unknown reason you thought you were. Again who is still in RAK and who isn't? All because you thought you were too important to have people in corp not agree with what you said. I am suprised you lasted has long has you did in RAK. Come and try and pod me if you think you can. I think I have more friends then you do in RAK. Well in the "Night Crew" at least. Do you kiss behind has well in your new corp has you did in RAK? Do I need to get a chair and some popcorn for this Drama? Let me know and I'll go buy some popcorn.
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.10.03 22:05:00 - [109] Originally by: Seviche Phoenix ...terminally stupid comments... Eve is a competitive game. I make ISK at your expense. Funny, at work, when you beat your competition, do you feel sorry about them? You are ultimately making money on someone else's work or going bust. The fact it's violent in EvE doesn't change the basic point.
Lavraen Minmatar Beyond Divinity Inc Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.10.03 23:02:00 - [110] Originally by: Aille Pluthrak Originally by: Lavraen Originally by: Aille Pluthrak Edited by: Aille Pluthrak on 03/10/2007 15:35:49 Edited by: Aille Pluthrak on 03/10/2007 15:31:24 Originally by: Lavraen Yeah I've heard you on vent and read your posts on the RAK forum and you seem like a jackass in real life to be honest. I meant what I said concerning Raven. If he had said at any time to kill your ship and pod you I would have done it without a second thought. You do a good impersonation of a jackass yourself Lav. I actually had to talk Mave out of podding you one night. Imagine that. Hahaha you really think you were pulling the strings when I was in RAK? Ironically, I had to be talked out of podding you and Mave then kicking you both out of RAK by the other directors, so you're lucky to still be there. You're not as well liked or as important as you might think. Imagine THAT. Let's derail this some more. Remind me again who is still in RAK and who isn't? I could care less about being liked by a lot of people. And I know how important I am (I am not important at all). But for some unknown reason you thought you were. Again who is still in RAK and who isn't? All because you thought you were too important to have people in corp not agree with what you said. I am suprised you lasted has long has you did in RAK. Come and try and pod me if you think you can. I think I have more friends then you do in RAK. Well in the "Night Crew" at least. Do you kiss behind has well in your new corp has you did in RAK? Do I need to get a chair and some popcorn for this Drama? Let me know and I'll go buy some popcorn. I co-founded RAK. Freddy and I came up with the concept of RAK when we were in TWD. Freddy started it because he had corp skills and Lav didn't at the time. I used to can flip in TWD all the time and thought it would be a good laugh for a full time corp. I've known the ex TWD people in RAK for at least a year and many of them are facebook friends. Dhejay was CEO of TWD hence why he joined eventually. In the future I dare say I'll be flying with them again. For now I need to go and experience other areas of the game. The door is always open for me in RAK and Freddy has told me this. It's best to get your facts straight to save your self from looking stupid in future. I don't kiss ass. This is an example of kissing ass "I meant what I said concerning Raven. If he had said at any time to kill your ship and pod you I would have done it without a second thought" Now go away, there's a good boy. Lavraen
Destr0math The Illuminati.	Posted - 2007.10.03 23:55:00 - [111] Edited by: Destr0math on 03/10/2007 23:58:19 -- ---- Today is CATURDAY
Destr0math The Illuminati.	Posted - 2007.10.03 23:58:00 - [112] SO. t2 bpo holders are jerks, because they're ruining my fun, griefing my wallet. This means that every t2 bpo holder is probably depressed or mentally ill. Any person who kills someone else in a >>>>PVP oriented game<<<< IS most likely on some sort of narcotic. No way are any NORMAL people able to pod a 10 day old new guy mining in lowsec in a battleship, because doing that obviously has "schizophrenic" written all over it. Show me a hypothesis and I will find someone who is "qualified" that will back it up. It's a video game. you can do things in it you can't do in real life. You can't ACTUALLY fly a spaceship. Why play a video game limited by rules like real life- there's really no reason. gtfo, tbh. ---- Today is CATURDAY
Devian 666 Sectoid Technologies	Posted - 2007.10.04 00:00:00 - [113] Edited by: Devian 666 on 04/10/2007 00:01:19 I like the way you think ^^ Everyone playing eve is mentally ill because it's a pvp game. We all need to join the Hello Kitty Beta because it's allegedly non-pvp. Clearly it's normal to play a furry kitten in a pink dress with flowers in her hair (excuse me while I puke). Why does this scenario remind me of the Psychiatrist character in Arrested Development? I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star. Most people have missed the point that this is Mobsters Online and that carebears are at the bottom of the foodchain.
Leora Nomen	Posted - 2007.10.04 00:30:00 - [114] you guys totally don't understand what word "intentional" means do you? guide to game time codes
Hunters Presence Amarr The DARLEXS Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.04 00:58:00 - [115] * IF YOU ARE NOT A PSYCHOLOGIST, FEEL FREE TO AVOID THIS HUGE RANT * Quote: Monster? Not at all, but you do have an interesting way of justifying your disassociation with, and lack of, humanity when you can't see others face-to-face. I'm not judging, I'm merely commenting. If you're not judging him, then one would suggest your humanity is lacking because I've never met a human who could make a statement like that without reserving some form of judgement. I am a philantropist, a humanist, a (nearly) completely honest person, ethically guided, morally understanding and empathetic to the point of breaking down at other people's problems. I have never received a warning from the police nor have I resorted to any crimes in my life. I can play EVE with utter discrimination when I want to however. That is not failure of humanity and I find it utterly warped that one would think that. EVE is virtual. It is a roleplaying environment where your actions represent only the personality of your character. Why should I associate my actions with those of my character? They are not the same. When my half-elf in a Dungeons and Dragons game fires a shot through the lower cranium of the town mayor for betraying the party, it's not because deep down I have some inner desire to go around shooting with bows. I don't even ~like~ bows. There are many basic human emotions which video games aim to target. Fulfilling them does not represent psychological flaws in the person. If anything, wanting to get a whiff of personal conflict in a game suggests one is lacking sufficient exposure to the natural human desire for fighting in real life! However, a simple study shows that these links tabloid papers like to create hysteria about simply do not exist except in isolated cases. The media loves to create a problem where there is none and use dodgy, ill-researched evidence as 'proof' that a problem exists or simply by misrepresenting the facts. Psychologists rather annoy me for one simple reason: They assume that because they have learnt the teachings of another, that gives them a position to arrogantly assess the traits of others without combat or challenge. This wouldn't be a problem were psychology as a whole not, by far, the most factually flawed science taught. Teachings given often contradict others given near equal weight and are based on less than scientifically-sound evidence (the speculations of Freud, poorly tested to this day, are still prized highly as a tool for assessing a person's mental state). Trying to assess me, as a person, is a horrible fail since I know I have a variety of mental problems that even experts cannot dechiper. Yet I know you've already built up a lovely map of 'probable problem traits' reading this. I assure you, the odds of you being correct are about the same as if you made an arbitrary guess because even professional councillors cannot make up their mind about the most simple of traits defining me. The worst bit though, is anyone with a hint of wisdom of the science of psychology automatically assumes that everyone holds some kind of mental disorder. If they follow societal values, they are accused of having the traits commonly seen as 'wrong' in society. If they don't follow societal values, then that in itself is seen as a flaw. Human beings are human beings. The idea that a human being can be 'wrong' or 'inhuman' is ridiculous, since as a human you are defining what a human is. Most people's definition of flawed is typically not meeting society's mainstay values and, let's face it, society's mainstay values are completely flavour of the month. If you look at history, you'll find that humans have functioned quite happily as societies without holding any of the values we hold so dearly 'normal' in this day and age.
Hunters Presence Amarr The DARLEXS Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.04 00:59:00 - [116] Many of the things psychologists nowadays try to consider maladjusted were once considered very natural, human things to do. Now because those ideas do not suit society, there are people jumping at a chance to 'prove' it is a personality flaw. Hope you enjoyed my rant and remember: You cannot pass comment on a person without judging them. Don't be so naive as to think you can do otherwise, it's a logical impossibility.
Devian 666 Sectoid Technologies	Posted - 2007.10.04 01:00:00 - [117] Originally by: Leora Nomen you guys totally don't understand what word "intentional" means do you? I thought most of us were having a laugh at a link that I posted because it's so incredibly inaccurate and unscientific. Nothing like mocking bogus "science". If you look at one of my very early responses you'll note that I intentionally posted this thread in tabloid style. I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star. Most people have missed the point that this is Mobsters Online and that carebears are at the bottom of the foodchain.
Devian 666 Sectoid Technologies	Posted - 2007.10.04 01:04:00 - [118] Originally by: Hunters Presence The worst bit though, is anyone with a hint of wisdom of the science of psychology automatically assumes that everyone holds some kind of mental disorder. ... Human beings are human beings. The idea that a human being can be 'wrong' or 'inhuman' is ridiculous, ... What you have stated here is the underpinning of why psychology is no longer a science. I didn't expect this from KOS so the war is off. I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star. Most people have missed the point that this is Mobsters Online and that carebears are at the bottom of the foodchain.
Leora Nomen	Posted - 2007.10.04 03:28:00 - [119] Originally by: Devian 666 I thought most of us were having a laugh at a link that I posted because it's so incredibly inaccurate and unscientific. Nothing like mocking bogus "science". If you look at one of my very early responses you'll note that I intentionally posted this thread in tabloid style. Yeah but what you're trying to discuss here is pvp while the article is about griefing and not player vs player combat. Griefing and pvp are not the same. You can be a miner, trader, mission runner and grief others. I don't even see words "pvp", "combat", or "piracy" in that article. Originally by: Devian 666 Everyone playing eve is mentally ill because it's a pvp game. We all need to join the Hello Kitty Beta because it's allegedly non-pvp. When the article refers to "mentally ill, whether they're depressed, have a psychotic disorder, or substance abuse problems" it is referring to "people who intentionally harass or annoy other players in online games" and not anyone who chooses to engage in player vs player combat. Yet you blend the two in your comments as if they are one and same. The other poster does the same thing leading me to believe that you guys don't get the difference between griefing and piracy or other pvp play. guide to game time codes
Leora Nomen	Posted - 2007.10.04 04:29:00 - [120] Originally by: Hunters Presence I can play EVE with utter discrimination when I want to however. That is not failure of humanity and I find it utterly warped that one would think that. EVE is virtual. It is a roleplaying environment where your actions represent only the personality of your character. Why should I associate my actions with those of my character? They are not the same. When my half-elf in a Dungeons and Dragons game fires a shot through the lower cranium of the town mayor for betraying the party, it's not because deep down I have some inner desire to go around shooting with bows. I don't even ~like~ bows. Within this fantasy world of EVE there is a myriad of choices, various options open to every player. The road that the player chooses for the character to take is a reflection of his or her own mind and personality as well as real life circumstances. It is not the character who chooses what to do, what to say, how to act but the player sitting behind the screen moving the mouse around. Due to how this real life person thinks and feels he might prefer fantasy option A to fantasy option B, and fantasy action 1 to fantasy action 2 in game. While another player will pick a different road for his character to take. In this sense what you do in game with your char is a reflection of yourself. And there are those who study how people behave while playing games. With their studies they try to understand how people make choices, why they pick this and not that because these studies of in-game behavior actually tell more us about ourselves, the real players, more about the ways our minds are wired, more about how we think. If you were completely dissociated with your in-game behavior no one would care to do these studies. Too often people draw very simplistic connections. "If I make my character in game shoot other characters with torpedoes, does this mean that in real life i myself want to shoot people with torpedoes?" It is erroneous to make this connection because EVE and real life are not the same, obviously, and do not work by same rules, hence no direct link like this can be made. But wouldn't you agree that while you're making your character shoot others with torps day after day and another player is making his character mine veldspar in high security system belt day after day that there are differences in how you, the real players, think and feel that make you want to engage your characters in these different actions? I'd say so. As far as smack in local goes, when someone says that "you're a *" or "f** " or "***" in local I doubt they are trying to insult your character because these insults have no meaning in world of EVE where our characters live. Our characters have no IQ, sexual orientation, and no family, hence would not understand such insults. In fact they are trying to insult and grief you, the real player. So when people say "i was just role playing a jackass" as their excuse I would think to myself "orly?". guide to game time codes

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