You're a paying customer. So is everyone else. Stop yelling about paying CCP's salary with your 50cents a day. It makes you look like a tool.

Funny you should say that.

I recall a certain group of players lead by a rather vocal tool who enjoyed bitching about how eve was failing and how useless the CSM at the time was. They protested in jita and then threatened to quit if CCP didn't listen to them. Many blogs were written leading up to the last CSM elections and many alt accounts suspended when Incarna failed to deliver what was promised, with nasty notes indicating why.

Deja vu in the making.

Arghhhh, democracy is idiotic anyway, having a majority dosent mean their decision is the right one.

Anyway, CSM are players (players as in - not earning a dime for the activity) and I am sure they have better things to do than create, post, receive and analyse pool results.

They got ellected, and give their opinions on the matters. Still, they have no real power. So whatever they want to 'push', CCP can judge if thats good or not for the game, wich is their bussiness.

Case in point, certain CSM's are advocating for futher SC nerfs simply because their Alliance/ Coalition can't defeat other Alliances in SC fights. They can't field enough or their SC pilots suck or won't commit. Sc's are fine as is.

Case in point, certain CSM's are advocating for futher SC nerfs simply because their Alliance/ Coalition can't defeat other Alliances in SC fights. They can't field enough or their SC pilots suck or won't commit. Sc's are fine as is.

How does a democratic vote do anything but further strengthen the powerblocks whose votes resulted in the current CSM?

Last I checked, powerblocs don't get to vote for CSM candidates. Accounts do. People run accounts. Some people tend to work together to achieve goals.

The fact that I'll bet on the team with two guys over the team with one guy any day of the week is simply how the world works.

Anyway, the CSM elections are pretty much the freest* democratic process I've ever seen everywhere.



*Free != Fair != Protective of the Minority != "Nice"

Sorry we accidentally your space. Did you use your SC to defend it?

That would be the same as a powerblock. The rest is semantics. Alliance, powerblock, people working together, it's all the same thing. Point being, if they have the ability through numbers to place their desired candidates into the CSM, giving them the ability to directly promote their views in another form gives the same result. I'm not saying anything is wrong with the current CSM, what I am saying is that abolishing them and moving to a system querying individual account holders for their views does nothing to change what the majority votes for.

Well in any event, i propose removing CSM's from the game and useing referendum for the player base itself to determine game direction, issues, quality. etc. This will remove bias, personal agenda from effecting game direction, balance, quality. I would advise everyone agreeing with this to start contacting CCP directly.

No apology required, i'm in the south and have nothing to do with said conflict. BTW CAOD is that way----> lets stay on topic.

The CSM does a pretty damn good job of coordinating themselves.

Before you high sec people cry too much about not being represented, remember the last person you collectively voted for... Ankhesentapemkah (spellling). You can't even pick a sane person to represent your important high sec concerns.

Then don't straw man bullcrap.

U mad bro? don't take it out on me if raiden & Co. bitchslaped you alliance, again i live in the south.

Who exactly do they represent and how do they speak for the rest of us?

I have yet to receive any surveys or questionaires from them asking what I, as a player, think.

Are they a truely respresentative body or just the body with the biggest mouth? So big they have psuedo-celebrity staus and get free trips to Iceland.

How often do you post in the Assembly Hall? There's a whole forum dedicated to giving player feedback to the CSM.

They don't represent anyone but their alliances. Get real. They say exactly what they are told to.

Most of them are the Leaders/In the Leadership of their respective alliances. Who exactly is telling them what to do? And what, praytell, would the alliances use to keep them in line? The ear of a CSM is probably more valuable than a CSM who quits the alliance and is pissed at the leadership of said alliance.

Alliances are merely groups of people working together for a common interest. If you want a different composition in the next CSM, band together a group of people to populate the CSM with different people. Out of ~200k subs, ~40k peaks each day, there's certainly room to topple a chairman who won with ~6000 votes.

LMAO you bore me. We all know it is broken you can continue to defend it. Leaders? Really? leaders of what binary code? My boss is a leader CSM are a joke. Corps and Alliances are worse than a day watching Kardashians reality TV