You defend democracy really? In a game? Haha ok you guys continue on.

If you don't want a nullsec-focused CSM, why don't you make a serious effort to organize like-minded players into voting for candidates that represent you? Is that too much work, or are you blaming CCP and the CSM for your own lack of charisma and initiative?

They represent Goons, I think that says it all....

Oh. They're very effective in representing their interests, which happen to happily coincide with each other...fancy that.
They seem to be good dates for the CCP folks who keep havin' them over for sh*ts and grins. I guess CSM loves CCP
since they roll over so well...sounds like a dream date.

Uh...for the vast majority of us? Effective at what? Pretending we either don't matter,
don't know what we need, or don't exist?

Yeah, they're doing a bang-up job. (Pardon the pun.)

Who exactly do they represent and how do they speak for the rest of us?

I have yet to receive any surveys or questionaires from them asking what I, as a player, think.

Are they a truely respresentative body or just the body with the biggest mouth? So big they have psuedo-celebrity staus and get free trips to Iceland.

CSM do not represent me and my views, in addition, given the choice between two bowls of **** in an election the only two things you can do is either not vote or pick the bowl of **** that smells best.

In any case, the CSM have no real power, it is something ''allowed'' by CCP to make thousands of other people happy in some sense. Another method of control. Like the police, courts, tickets, etc..

I've have run large clans in online games, for over 10 years now. I can personally tell you that after a certain point you lose touch with some parts of your member base. You simply can't keep up with every little snowflake you recruit, and the responsibility and administration of a clan puts some claim on your time which further stops you from really knowing what is going on with 100 percent of the people. It is a fine line of delegation and decision making that you have to figure out for yourself and weight what is an acceptable sacrifice of time day to day.

Those bitches in the CSM just like having their name on a list, getting to say whatever, and making deals behind the scenes with gullible people who think their agendas can be spread by isk just like a real politician. The only difference here is that instead of a real politician with years of law experience, you have some fat ass 34 year old living in his mother's basement drinking Red Bull like Mittani.

No I couldn't find one. I'm supposed to just pick from a list? None of them campaigned to me? Etc., etc..

I was generalizing, don't get butt hurt.


On semi-related subject - I don't believe in democracy. It is a complete failure in itself. I live in the USA and I hear about all the stupidity of the US Government all day long here. Do you really think I would support 1,000 people who don't support anything I am interested in? People who are more concerned about themselves, what kind of money they can generate for their personal interests, how they can keep their fingers on the tax rate to make life good for themselves, and how much debt they can put our country into? **** no. You gotta be out of your god damn mind.

I'd much rather have a dictator, and if the MF'er doesn't pan out, we coup'de'ta his ass.

No, in a forum discussion.




And "Blah-Blah-Blah, who cares about a game" doesn't fly as an argument once you've put in the effort to post about the CSM "representing" anyone, like they owe it to you.

No I couldn't find one. I'm supposed to just pick from a list? None of them campaigned to me? Etc., etc..

I was generalizing, don't get butt hurt.


On semi-related subject - I don't believe in democracy. It is a complete failure in itself. I live in the USA and I hear about all the stupidity of the US Government all day long here. Do you really think I would support 1,000 people who don't support anything I am interested in? People who are more concerned about themselves, what kind of money they can generate for their personal interests, how they can keep their fingers on the tax rate to make life good for themselves, and how much debt they can put our country into? **** no. You gotta be out of your god damn mind.

I'd much rather have a dictator, and if the MF'er doesn't pan out, we coupe d'etat his ass.

I think you miss the point Ruby. They do. That is what they are there for; to represent all players in EVE equally. That is their tsk and their duty as detailed by CCP when they brought this all into being. They are not there to speak for their own , or their Corp, or even their Alliances best interests; they are intended to be objective and unbiased to the best of their ability, in representing the EVE playerbase as a whole. They are failing.

None of them represent me and what I am interested in nor does anyone in the government. And for damn sure Mittani doesn't represent my interests in the game, especially when his alliance and buddies are all about scamming people and all around screwing EVE Online up. I don't think anyone who is a leader of a major powerblock should be anywhere near the CSM, they will be looking out primarily for their alliance's interests.

Look at the trend in EVE, CSM isn't helping anything. Failed expansions, UI is crap, null sec is dying in favor of high sec, broken client, game mechanics screwed up. Where is CSM truly fixing any of this? There is a easier way to go about this, post in the forum and whatever gets a popular following probably should be worked on. Where is the need for a CSM now? Devs can't spend 5 minutes a day looking at the forum?

Then don't vote for leaders of major (however should we define that) powerblocs. Simple as that. I have never heard of the Mittani using his position as CSM chair to scam or otherwise grief people. GSF has been acting pretty much the same way since it began, so the people who voted for him knew what they were getting.

The major reason for the Incarna expansion's failure was released over the CSM's objections, and with CCP misrepresenting their words (Gold Scorpion).

As for forums, how do you define popular? Lots of activity? Cause that would include the "No, you're dumb" activity. Plus, people who are active on the forums is an even smaller proportion of the Eve Playerbase than the CSM voter's are.

So you just blindly believe that? If I pulled up to you on the street and had free candy written on the side of my van would you get in?

Yeah, you bring up another good point of how FAIL the CSM is. I'm pretty sure Test and Goons got together and sent out mails saying everyone get on the forum and vote Mittens in.

A lot of high sec corps and alliances aren't as big as the nullsec alliances and coalitions.

CSM = Fail, Just Epic Fail

The CSM is completely ineffective and way too powerful.

(on an unrelated note, I'd really like to see a chart of subscriber numbers showing what happened when CCP started listening to the CSM...)

Also, it would be nice to have a direct feedback system. Dreamhost did this really well, I think. They gave everyone a fixed number of "feature request points", and you could allocate your points among the features you cared most about. You could also give up some of your points to suggest a new feature.

I think some kind of community-driven, google moderator style feature suggest system would be a nice complement to the CSM.