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Mordinn
The Bones Brigade
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Posted - 2007.09.29 16:35:00 -
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Edited by: Mordinn on 29/09/2007 16:36:48 Edited by: Mordinn on 29/09/2007 16:36:01
Originally by: Chancer Vista failed? I must have missed the Microsoft press release.
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Spaceman Jack
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Posted - 2007.09.29 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Nobum kinda funny how this topic barely reached 5 replies before it got derailed into some forumwar over how good or bad Vista is, completly ignoring exactly what the OP wants 
TAHNK YOU
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Hyuuga Veralis
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2007.09.29 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Phil Miller Vista is doing fantastic actually.
According to retailers and distributors, the first week sales have been above their expectations. The most popular version that sold was the Home Edition, but the biggest surprise was probably that the Vista Ultimate (the full feature and most expensive version of the operating system) sold in high numbers. Of course, Microsoft was happy with it all.
Also, there haven't been too many "bugs" discovered with Vista, which is great. Of course, there are always the compatibility issues, but those are things that will work themselves out in due time.
I'm sure people are really happy with the black box that records every button press and mouseclick too, and that removing the file causes vista to lock you out of your own PC. -------------- Fulfilling 0.0 Ammo needs since 2 days after being made. |

Hyuuga Veralis
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2007.09.29 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Scrap Brain I use IE 7 because it's better than firefox.
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Hyuuga Veralis
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2007.09.29 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Jimer Lins Oh, and insofar as "failed" goes, Vista outsold XP by 2 to 1 in the first month of its release vs. XP's, and within 5 weeks of release had sold more copies than the entirety of Apple's entire installed base.
If that's failure, I'll buy some stock in it.
The Market has more than doubled in size since then.
In raw numbers Vista sold better, but by comparison, it has sold worse. -------------- Fulfilling 0.0 Ammo needs since 2 days after being made. |

Ix Forres
Vanguard Frontiers INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.09.29 22:55:00 -
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Edited by: Ix Forres on 29/09/2007 23:00:30
Originally by: Arachidamia But hey... hopefully the upcoming linux client for eve works well. Then I'll be happy. I just hope other games start gaining linux support. The non windows market is on the rise after all, it makes sense for more games companies to try and get a foothold in that potential market.
It would be notable to mention that VALVe (Half-Life 2 and all the mods, like TF2 and Counter-Strike Source) are now hiring Linux programmers, preferably with experience in 'porting Microsoft Windows games to the Linux operating system'.
On a side note, did anyone notice MS have extended XP's lifespan by 6 months because businesses were running scared to Linux as the only possible upgrade path? 
Originally by: Akally vista sucks and PC gaming is on the way out for pretty much 1 single reason, M$ want you to buy an XBOX360 for games, look at the way they have botched dx10, there was a post on this topic on Slashdot.com a while back and you should read it - it's not tin foil hat stuff when there is so much to supporting evidence
PC gaming is strong as ever. Yes, the console market is big. But it's still small comparative to the PC market.
Originally by: fartmask
yawn, Windows 95 is crap its dead dont use it... windows 98 is dead no one use it windown me is dead/crap no one use it windows 2000 is bad dont use that windows xp is the worse dont use that windows vista is bad mkay......
so by your standard we should all use linux? no thanks.
95 was crap. 98 was crap. ME was crap. 2000? Nice OS. Based on the NT kernel which didn't crash as much as the 95 kernel. XP? 2K with a facelift and some UI improvements. Nice. Same kernel as 2K. Vista? Total rewrite in which they made it worse. Oops. Better stick with XP. Oh, what's that? End of support life? Well, better upgrade! So, where do we-, ah, hello there Ubuntu.
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Karanth
Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.09.29 23:09:00 -
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Ubuntu here too. Faster, smoother, and doesn't do random things like BSoD, or just shut off, or randomly reset settings, or delete bookmarks, etc..
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Bentula
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Posted - 2007.09.29 23:36:00 -
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I dont get why people get into these OS wars. I dont even get why people want to upgrade their OS unless it is to get support for new hardware, and from what i heard vista actually has worse support for many kinds of hardware that is currently around.
So why upgrade to vista? To get a new desktop theme? DX10 support? Will vista revolutionize the way i run eve and the couple other games on my PC?
Also i have the feeling MS is doing something horribly wrong with vista, a OS is not supposed to draw that many resources that it would be noticeable on even a few years old hardware. You have the kernel and drivers, some grafics engine and a desktop manager, and then whatever services the system needs. Nothing in that list should force a PC that can do a couple millions calculations per second and has a dedicated 3d card to its knees.
An OS primary purpose is to execute and provide a enviroment to programs that are actually useful to you, like games, office programs or the various programs you use in the web. If the OS is outpacing your programs/games in the system requirements department there is something wrong.
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Mr M
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Posted - 2007.09.30 00:53:00 -
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DX10 is do-able on Windows XP DirectX 9.L will be a DirectX 10 for Windows XP Project aims to bring DX10 gaming to XP, Linux, OS X Download DirectX 10 for Windows XP from Alky Project
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Arana Tellen
Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.09.30 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: nekosun On my Asus laptop
Vista has problems with things i have never seen in any Os.
Mouse clicking right through search boxes, click boxs etc.. windows just lose focus on clicking.
.. fix is to relog the user, unitl fixed (5 relogs the record so far) unless you want to use the modem ( modem will call, but will not verify username/password).
.. modem users have to restart to fix this
the media player seems to stutter @ about 75% of some video clips (calling home to RIIA? lol)
A friend of mine had problems with their mouse, I would try uninstalling the POS norton  ---------------------------------
Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 800mhh 4-4-4-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home. |
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Sevarus James
Minmatar Meridian Dynamics FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.30 01:29:00 -
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Edited by: Sevarus James on 30/09/2007 01:32:11 I personally don't like the "os wars" either, having lost in one horribly many years ago (os/2). As a tech in the industry for almost 20 years now, I've always said: USE WHAT WORKS BEST FOR YOU!
Personally for the last three years, what's worked best is linux. For the last two (almost) I've been MS free at home and playing EVE with very little issue other than a few patch day blues.
Now that CCP is prepping the linux/mac builds with Transgaming (closed beta is ON for this week), there is even less reason to stay hooked to one platform.
Vista has been a p.r. disaster for microsoft. Leads in the industry are almost universally of the opinion that they jumped the shark with this platform in many MANY ways, not the least of which is the draconian EULA as well as the DRM checks that cause a lot of users serious problems with media content.
There will ALWAYS be users who have no issues with one OS or another, and BRAVO to you. Just remember that there are more than one OS in play, and a lot of folks (especially on the tech side of things) understand some of the massive screwups that Microsoft employed in Vista.
Again, CCP moved the folder structure to be in compliance so that EVE would work under Vista properly (or at least as well as it could). They also gave us the /lua switch to by pass it for the most part, and having tried this at work on windows machines there, I have to say that it works pretty well. There are also scripts out that will completely get rid of the external folders.
Remember that CCP is also working to ensure that EVE works with linux and mac as well, and have endorsed the major distros as goals to be 'OFFICIALLY SUPPORTED' (dev words here.)
Rather than harp and fight over which is which, we should, as a community of pod pilots HELP to resolve issues no matter WHICH platform the pilot chooses to use.
My 2 cents.
My sig shows my preferred OS and EVE, but my opinion is that whatever works for YOU is best. Er...it WOULD show you, but Chribba says a hard drive pwnd the pic.....so hopefully it will show my preferred os and eve soon (tm). lol
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Marc Zhorr
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.09.30 02:34:00 -
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Edited by: Marc Zhorr on 30/09/2007 02:35:35 I guess it is a bit of a matter of personal preference which OS to use.
Some love linux, some Mac OS, some w2k/xp, some vista.
Had Vista Business preinstalled on my notebook, and hated it. It had a status bar for opening windows , some windows took over 5 secs to open. Eve took about 20 secs till the login screen was loaded  When playing music with the windows media player, I got an option to BUY the songs I played (Ripped stuff from CDs I own - so wtf???) Is it an OS or an online shop??? When configuring the OS I got all sorts of assistants, trying to tell me what I should or should not do  Also vista was loaded with useless (IMO) gimmicks. And I hear Vista got all sorts of reporting mechanisms to MS built in, way more then w2k or XP. 
Now some might like these features of vista, and those should keep it on.
My fav is w2k. Because it is slim, lightweight, fast as hell and has little gimmicks. So good ole w2k is now running on my brandnew notebook and I love it. 
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Alitha Maru
Minmatar Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.09.30 04:58:00 -
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Another thing that we might oversee is why we all differ so much in our opinions, is that we might all be on different user levels as far as OSs is concerned.
If you install Vista and just start using it without tweaking, optimizing and turning off UAC and things you don't want or need then I would imagine Vista would seem strange at best. But after you turn off the clutter, it runs very fast, stable, providing you have enough ram at least.
Then some of us might not even bother with IE or WMP. Myself, I use Media Player Classic, WinAmp and Firefox.
Vista out-of-the-box needs to be tweaked before enjoyment, and if you use Firefox or Opera instead of IE you'll be better off too. But all this was true for XP as well. If you didn't tweak XP before you started using it, then you certainly missed out on making it faster too.
Novice people might find Vista daunting, Linux/Mac people will always hate Windows no matter what and are probably leftovers from the Amiga side when that discussion vs. PC went on . Though people that are used to Windows and tweaking it all the way back to Win95 should be able to have a good time.
In the end, opinions are like a**holes, everyone's got'em 
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Spaceman Jack
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Posted - 2007.10.08 13:07:00 -
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Not to beat a dead horse.. but...
Win XP SP3!
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Krezeb
Caldari Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2007.10.08 15:04:00 -
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IMHO, MS released Vista too early. If they'd taken another 6 months-1 year to polish the OS, get reliable drivers together and work out the kinks, then it probably would have been bashed less. Another problem is that a computer made to run Vista efficiantly costs more than most are willing to pay (atm at least), so that those that are trying to run Vista on anything less than a Vista-ready computer will have problems getting programs and games to run smoothly.
Another thing is that I don't like the overall Big-Brother aspect of Vista, running DRM checks on every process, activly worsening quality on HD-DVDs if I'm not using a Microsoft approved monitor, and having companies such as Sony & Disney among others, approving hardware. It feels like we've taken one step forward and two steps back.
I'm not bashing MS or vista, but critisism, both positive and negative (as long as they're constructive) should be welcomed. I won't be making a move to Vista if I can help it.
Well, at least not yet. -----
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.08 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ix Forres
PC gaming is strong as ever. Yes, the console market is big. But it's still small comparative to the PC market.
PC gaming market is running at around 20% of the Gaming market of consoles.
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |

Reacz
Caldari Empirius Enigmus Navy Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.08 15:34:00 -
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Edited by: Reacz on 08/10/2007 15:34:40 Ya know if you hate Vista so much you can always move over to Windows 2k3 its better than XP (faster/more streamlined and not as many bugs) and is still under support for a while yet I believe.
And yeah, its a server edition, so you shouldn't be using it but bleh, who cares....right? :P
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Kayna Eelai
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Posted - 2007.10.08 15:35:00 -
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to all those "my vista runs much more smoother than my xp ever did"... stop talking out of your arse, willya?
you probably didn't even have SP2 on your XP, no antivir or anything and it was full of spyware with sugar on top pretty plz.
my main computer at home runs XP, didn't have to reboot it a single time for last 6 month except once i screwed up myself hotpluggin a s-ata disk into the wrong place (my mainboard has 2 s-ata raids, one with and another without hotplug compatibility)
vista can not even receive the name of a operating system, it's more like a TV SHOW.
just to give you a plain example: to create a VPN and it's shortcut on desktop in win XP: my mom could do it in 2 minutes. to do it on vista, a computer tech manager needed 5 minutes to figure out how the hell get it all working.
vista was designed BY and FOR monkeys.
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gooer
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Posted - 2007.10.08 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ni'an running eve on vista for months, never had any problem
same here.. 2 copies of eve running flawlessly at 200+ fps (stupid "power of 2" promotion sucked me in) with aa level set to 2 at 1680x1050.. the flip 3d thing in vista is funny (and fast) as hell with multiple copies of eve running. I just did a reload on my system (not related to any eve issues) this weekend with updated everything. Vista's time has finally come. Anyone who moans and groans about vista anymore are either whiney noobs that haven't tried vista, or they are your typical "afraid of any type of change and afraid that terrorists are going to bomb their local grocery".. get over it people, vista kicks @$$! never saw eve launch this fast in XP.. Come to think of it, prior to my reload/updating driver binge, Eve was one of the very few games that ran without crashing.
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Minertor
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Posted - 2007.10.08 17:49:00 -
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vista working fine here
maybe i can ask a directx 10 for eve?
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Carniflex
Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.10.08 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Alitha Maru and are probably leftovers from the Amiga side when that discussion vs. PC went on .
Aargh - I'm found. Pity that EVE does not run well on Amiga.
As far as XP (and windows in general) goes. I'm using it only bcos I can't play some of the games I like under linux and I don't like to dualboot. I do not plan to switch to Vista tho even if only thing I can play is tetris afterwards. I think vista violates it's users privacy.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy
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Posted - 2007.10.08 18:12:00 -
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Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 08/10/2007 18:12:42
Originally by: Hyuuga Veralis
I'm sure people are really happy with the black box that records every button press and mouseclick too, and that removing the file causes vista to lock you out of your own PC.
Tinfoil hat much?
Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking
Originally by: CCP John Proctor
Gates made from your nearest scrap yard can only be so space effecient 
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Angry Lo
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Posted - 2007.10.08 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Reacz Edited by: Reacz on 08/10/2007 15:43:14 Ya know if you hate Vista so much you can always move over to Windows 2k3 its better than XP (faster/more streamlined and not as many bugs) and is still under support for a while yet I believe.
Well i'm not an OP. But I had to move to XP a year(or something like that) ago becasue of the end of the support cycle for win2k and subsequent issues with viruses. If not for that i'd be still sitting on win2k. And you know what - i had dual win2k/xp system for 4 years and never even thought about switching to XP becasue win2k was simply better and faster. And given that Vista has a new kernel - i shudder. But obviously unless there will be no dx10 for XP i'd have to move to Vista 
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Maestro Ulv
Phaze-9
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Posted - 2007.10.08 20:14:00 -
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To the OP: So your complaining about having the pics n stuff in your documents? Not exactly hard work to find em is it?
I must be an MS ***** because I have no problems with Vista bar the nuked BT Stack not working with my BT headphones. Bar that one issue it runs both business, social and gaming software with no issues at all.
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.10.08 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Karanth Ubuntu here too. Faster, smoother, and doesn't do random things like BSoD, or just shut off, or randomly reset settings, or delete bookmarks, etc..
I've not known a version of Windows do anything like that since Win98. I've put Win2k and XP through hell at work adding and removing devices, writing my own device drivers and developing applications for Win32 and .NET. My machines have never, ever crashed.
OTOH I have frequently had to fight my way through various Linux installers including the almost obligatory package library otherwise known as Google. I now know more than I want to about X-Windows simply because I've had to finish and/or manually patch so many several failed installs.
Of course once you finally get Linux installed it's stable and fast - slightly faster than Windows, not quite as stable (but we're talking minor differences in both areas). Great as a server. As a workstation though..meh. The screen updates always feel a bit klunky as if, somehow, it just isn't really happy operating in graphics mode.
I've played with Vista quite a bit recently and although I wish MS hadn't changed so much of the interface once you take the time to get used to it performance is much the same as XP - better in some areas. I'm in no rush to upgrade to it but if my next PC comes with it pre-installed I'll use it. -- (Battle hardened industrialist)
[Brackley, UK]
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BoBoZoBo
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.08 20:30:00 -
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Edited by: BoBoZoBo on 08/10/2007 20:31:28 Man.. this again Like running into a Mac/PC war.
Personally for me Vista is cool if you are running Eve and some basic software.
However, like to OP, I work a lot with graphics and video and Vista simply could not perform in that area I had to go back to XP as well. Even not recognizing all 6 GB it runs better. I don't know what that tells others, but for me it is NOT a step forward.
So in the end, I guess it depends on what you are doing, Vista is definitely not a workhorse.. that much IS true. =========================
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Shalia Ripper
Caldari High4Life SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.08 20:43:00 -
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The real problem with Windows Vista? it costs more than it should. FAR more. It is just an OS. No way an OS should cost over $50.
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Spaceman Jack
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Posted - 2007.10.08 23:18:00 -
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I was just being a bee-otch. People at work were irritating me.. so I had to pass it along.
Srry pps
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