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DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.28 14:36:00 - [1] ...he was here illegally... Illegal Maybe this will be a lesson to the others in this country here illegally... My Current Project
Khadur Minmatar Spontaneous Defenestration	Posted - 2007.09.28 14:40:00 - [2] God bless America!
An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.09.28 14:40:00 - [3] Originally by: DarkMatter ...he was here illegally... Illegal Maybe this will be a lesson to the others in this country here illegally... Illegal or not, carrying large amounts of cash on you is never a good idea. Unless of course, you actually are selling drugs. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers Mass Destruction.	Posted - 2007.09.28 14:47:00 - [4] Originally by: DarkMatter ...he was here illegally... Illegal Maybe this will be a lesson to the others in this country here illegally... I dunno I don't quite understand immigration policy. If someone wants to work here, and someone wants to hire him, I don't see why legal status has to be such a headache. Seems kind of ******** sometimes, especially in a case like this.
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.28 14:59:00 - [5] Although I see why they stopped him as you have to declear how much money you got with you etc....... Officials initially accused Zapeta of being a courier for the drug trade, but they dropped the allegation once he produced pay stubs from restaurants where he had worked. Zapeta earned $5.50 an hour at most of the places where he washed dishes. When he learned to do more, he got a 25-cent raise. $59.000. Imagine how much you got to work when you earn $5.50 an hour. Poor guy, hope he gets sorted soon. Call to arms!!!
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.28 15:00:00 - [6] Edited by: DarkMatter on 28/09/2007 15:01:38 Originally by: Rialtor Originally by: DarkMatter ...he was here illegally... Illegal Maybe this will be a lesson to the others in this country here illegally... I dunno I don't quite understand immigration policy. If someone wants to work here, and someone wants to hire him, I don't see why legal status has to be such a headache. Seems kind of ****** sometimes, especially in a case like this. ~14 million workers in this country are not paying taxes. If you're here illegally, you run the risk of losing it all like this guy... He should not have broke the law and worked here illegally. Hopefully the company that hired him is fined... Quote:** $59.000. Imagine how much you got to work when you earn $5.50 an hour. Poor guy, hope he gets sorted soon. I doubt he'll get any of it back... My Current Project
Velsharoon Gallente Endgame. Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.09.28 15:03:00 - [7] Thats just so sad and well...so are you, the guy is another human being for christs sake. I hope he gets his money.
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.28 15:10:00 - [8] Originally by: Velsharoon Thats just so sad and well...so are you, the guy is another human being for christs sake. I hope he gets his money. I'm sure Americans will donate more money to him as the story travels around the country... He'll probably end up with more than $59,000 all said and done... My Current Project
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.09.28 15:30:00 - [9] "They are treating me like a criminal when all I am is a working man," he said. That line says alot to me. Up in my neck of the woods I'm surrounded by illegals left and right but I'm cool with most of them. I see these guys pack into a trailer, small house, or tiny apartment (and theres usually up to 8 of them), they work the crap jobs that pay **** because Americans usually won't touch them, and most of those funds usually go home instead of them being able to use it. Basically what I'm getting down to is that these guys risk alot each day to make a better life for themselves and their families and I appreciate those kind of morales and values. Now if your crossing the border to sell drugs and get into gangs or other badness then ya better run before the boot kicks ya in the ass As if this dishwasher I feel that they're being quite hard on the guy. About the only thing I see is the fact that he didn't pay taxes which does hurt the rest of the economy. ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.28 15:50:00 - [10] Maybe he should have used a Transport ship for his breifcase.... Can I have his stuff?... Funny how many people say those sorts of thing's, but I say let him keep the cash and just take the needed taxes off it. Originally by: CCP Morpheus Post with your alt.

DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.28 15:53:00 - [11] Originally by: Kirjava Maybe he should have used a Transport ship for his breifcase.... Can I have his stuff?... Funny how many people say those sorts of thing's, but I say let him keep the cash and just take the needed taxes off it. And whatever fines are on the law books for being an illegal worker... What's left of the $59,000 plus donations, he'll be golden... But he's got a lot of red tape ahead of him... My Current Project
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers Mass Destruction.	Posted - 2007.09.28 15:53:00 - [12] Edited by: Rialtor on 28/09/2007 15:57:29 Edited by: Rialtor on 28/09/2007 15:54:22 Originally by: DarkMatter Edited by: DarkMatter on 28/09/2007 15:01:38 Originally by: Rialtor Originally by: DarkMatter ...he was here illegally... Illegal Maybe this will be a lesson to the others in this country here illegally... I dunno I don't quite understand immigration policy. If someone wants to work here, and someone wants to hire him, I don't see why legal status has to be such a headache. Seems kind of ****** sometimes, especially in a case like this. ~14 million workers in this country are not paying taxes. If you're here illegally, you run the risk of losing it all like this guy... He should not have broke the law and worked here illegally. Hopefully the company that hired him is fined... Quote: $59.000. Imagine how much you got to work when you earn $5.50 an hour. Poor guy, hope he gets sorted soon. I doubt he'll get any of it back... That's not really true, many illegal workers pay into social security. I'm not disagreeing that he broke the law, I just find immigration policy ******. Just questioning the logic of the whole process. If someone can find work here then getting status should be easy, imo. More hard workers in a society = better society. But what's really messed up is that they pretty much spit in his face, they gave him legal status to work to buy a ticket to go back home. That's messed up =.
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.28 15:57:00 - [13] Quote: That's not really true, many illegal workers pay into social security With a stole SSN... Another illegal activity... My Current Project
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers Mass Destruction.	Posted - 2007.09.28 16:01:00 - [14] Originally by: DarkMatter Quote: That's not really true, many illegal workers pay into social security With a stole SSN... Another illegal activity... Yes, they do illegal things, but it's really not that devious. They just want to come here and work hard, it's actually quite noble, they're go getters. The richest families in America do and did some pretty underhanded things to get there, but in the end they were go getters. I'm not really a fan of such Harsh immigration policy. yes we should do background checks, criminal record checks, etc. But As long as people have an employer I don't see why it should be hard to become legal.
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.09.28 16:02:00 - [15] IF they pay into SS. If your paid under the table, you don't exist. No SS is taken out, no Fica, no taxes. This also means your company doesn't have to claim you so they don't have to pay out either, and they don't have to put insurance on you if it's applicable. Kind of a win win until your caught. ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.28 16:02:00 - [16] Quote: Yes, they do illegal things, but it's really not that devious. They just want to come here and work hard, it's actually quite noble, they're go getters. Then they need to apply for citizenship... My Current Project
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers Mass Destruction.	Posted - 2007.09.28 16:03:00 - [17] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich IF they pay into SS. If your paid under the table, you don't exist. No SS is taken out, no Fica, no taxes. This also means your company doesn't have to claim you so they don't have to pay out either, and they don't have to put insurance on you if it's applicable. Kind of a win win until your caught. It's not just illegals that are paid off the books, there's lots of children and things like that paid off the books. I wouldn't really begrudge them though.
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers Mass Destruction.	Posted - 2007.09.28 16:04:00 - [18] Edited by: Rialtor on 28/09/2007 16:05:51 Edited by: Rialtor on 28/09/2007 16:05:03 Originally by: DarkMatter Quote: Yes, they do illegal things, but it's really not that devious. They just want to come here and work hard, it's actually quite noble, they're go getters. Then they need to apply for citizenship... That's what I'm saying the path to citizenship is too hard, and I find it stupid for it to be that hard when the guy has an employeer. IF he has an employeer, he's not dead weight, and a path should be easy. Turning away hard working people isn't smart. By making the path that hard, you're just encouraging for people to come here illegally as opposed to legally. It's almost like Prohibition, I personally think it's that flawed a concept.
Tenerhaddi Trinity Corporate Services	Posted - 2007.09.28 16:11:00 - [19] HAH owned And good he lost his money! people paying taxes like me so he shouldnt have it back as he hasn't paid taxes. Tuff crap dumb enough to carry the whole thing at once. As there a saying. don't put all your eggs in one basket ---------------- http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1771556
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2007.09.28 16:11:00 - [20] Edited by: Fink Angel on 28/09/2007 16:12:23 $59,000 dollars. Wow, that'll keep the government's coffers full for about a thousandth of a second. The guy earned the money. Check he's paid taxes and whatever else is due and give him the rest back. Just like the UK, people moan about illegal immigrants while the everyone: Wants to pay less and less for everything ... Causing wages to go down ... And the native population don't want to work for that little ... Or don't want to work at all while they can claim benefits ... So illegals come into the country often looking to better themselves and their families back home. You think the guy really wanted to leave behind all he knew, his country, his language, his family, to work for $5.50 an hour just to stiff the American people? Discgraceful treatment of the guy IMO. Edit: replaced word deemed offensive by the magic asterisks.

Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.09.28 16:15:00 - [21] Originally by: Rialtor Edited by: Rialtor on 28/09/2007 16:05:51 Edited by: Rialtor on 28/09/2007 16:05:03 Originally by: DarkMatter Quote: Yes, they do illegal things, but it's really not that devious. They just want to come here and work hard, it's actually quite noble, they're go getters. Then they need to apply for citizenship... That's what I'm saying the path to citizenship is too hard, and I find it stupid for it to be that hard when the guy has an employeer. IF he has an employeer, he's not dead weight, and a path should be easy. Turning away hard working people isn't smart. By making the path that hard, you're just encouraging for people to come here illegally as opposed to legally. It's almost like Prohibition, I personally think it's that flawed a concept. I agree with that. He's been a dishwasher for what, 8 years? They make no mention of him commiting a crime withing that time period, all he's done is just work hard to make a better life for his family at home. ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2007.09.28 16:15:00 - [22] Originally by: Tenerhaddi HAH owned And good he lost his money! people paying taxes like me so he shouldnt have it back as he hasn't paid taxes. In the UK I could legally earn ú2.75 an hour ($5.50), declare my earnings to the tax man, and STILL not pay taxes as that is so little it wouldn't even get me into the lowest income tax bracket. You're making it sound like he got caught ramming through the border booths with a lorry load of gold he'd just stolen from the local orphanage.
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers Mass Destruction.	Posted - 2007.09.28 16:23:00 - [23] Oh yea, I'm really upset they ceased his wages. I mean if you want taxes take taxes, who is anyone to cease his hard earn money.
Thanos Draicon	Posted - 2007.09.28 17:07:00 - [24] Originally by: DarkMatter I doubt he'll get any of it back... Why? What law exists that would allow the government to keep it?
An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.09.28 17:08:00 - [25] Originally by: Fink Angel The guy earned the money. Check he's paid taxes and whatever else is due and give him the rest back. Actually, he had admitted that he never paid taxes. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Thanos Draicon	Posted - 2007.09.28 17:09:00 - [26] Edited by: Thanos Draicon on 28/09/2007 17:10:01 Originally by: DarkMatter Quote: Yes, they do illegal things, but it's really not that devious. They just want to come here and work hard, it's actually quite noble, they're go getters. Then they need to apply for citizenship... True, but the application process is so drawn out that it can take 5-10 years for him to be granted citizenship. I had a friend who came over from england and with friends who worked in the government to tell him all the right things to do, and it took him over 3 years... Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Fink Angel The guy earned the money. Check he's paid taxes and whatever else is due and give him the rest back. Actually, he had admitted that he never paid taxes. At $5.50 an hour, what taxes would he actually pay?
An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.09.28 17:14:00 - [27] Originally by: Thanos Draicon At $5.50 an hour, what taxes would he actually pay? All of them? If he is working full time, then he is making enough to have to file (I believe it is if you make over $5K for the year). Also, he was almost certainly being paid under the table, so you know, the normal taxes that come out of your paycheck, whether you earn $10 or $10,000. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Tenerhaddi Trinity Corporate Services	Posted - 2007.09.28 17:24:00 - [28] Originally by: Thanos Draicon Originally by: DarkMatter I doubt he'll get any of it back... Why? What law exists that would allow the government to keep it? to be honest as he not a US citizen and working illegal what is there he can have it back? Originally by: Fink Angel Originally by: Tenerhaddi HAH owned And good he lost his money! people paying taxes like me so he shouldnt have it back as he hasn't paid taxes. In the UK I could legally earn ú2.75 an hour ($5.50), declare my earnings to the tax man, and STILL not pay taxes as that is so little it wouldn't even get me into the lowest income tax bracket. You're making it sound like he got caught ramming through the border booths with a lorry load of gold he'd just stolen from the local orphanage. and? he should of paid taxs! I dont feel sorry for anyone who works at a job where he doesnt pay his way like any one else do. I pay my taxes and I am legal. He is not and he not paying his taxes but he can come up with $59k ummm like i said good he lost it! oh and I haven't heard anyone who earns less than the min wages in UK so yer ok... even you could you be getting benfits to support you. what ever your in the country illegal then you take the risk. I going to the US and apply for visa and do it though legal prosses I not going to go the illegal and take the risk. Sorry for spelling and grammer I hate dyslexia ---------------- http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1771556
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2007.09.28 17:37:00 - [29] Originally by: Tenerhaddi and? he should of paid taxs! I dont feel sorry for anyone who works at a job where he doesnt pay his way like any one else do. I pay my taxes and I am legal. He is not and he not paying his taxes but he can come up with $59k ummm like i said good he lost it! oh and I haven't heard anyone who earns less than the min wages in UK so yer ok... even you could you be getting benfits to support you. what ever your in the country illegal then you take the risk. I going to the US and apply for visa and do it though legal prosses I not going to go the illegal and take the risk. Sorry for spelling and grammer I hate dyslexia My point being that if he did declare his income of $5.50 to the tax man, how much of that would the tax man take? I don't know what your rates are in the USA, but I'm sure it's not much, if anything at all. If anyone deserves a rebuke it's the employer paying much less than minimum wage (again, not sure what that equates to in the USA but the UK it's ú5.52 / $11.04 approx. p/h for 22 and over), so no local would even want to take the job, so it's filled by an illegal worker. "Taking the risk" of working illegally should not mean getting all your earnings taken off you at the airport.
Tenerhaddi Trinity Corporate Services	Posted - 2007.09.28 17:46:00 - [30] Edited by: Tenerhaddi on 28/09/2007 17:47:09 Originally by: Fink Angel Originally by: Tenerhaddi and? he should of paid taxs! I dont feel sorry for anyone who works at a job where he doesnt pay his way like any one else do. I pay my taxes and I am legal. He is not and he not paying his taxes but he can come up with $59k ummm like i said good he lost it! oh and I haven't heard anyone who earns less than the min wages in UK so yer ok... even you could you be getting benfits to support you. what ever your in the country illegal then you take the risk. I going to the US and apply for visa and do it though legal prosses I not going to go the illegal and take the risk. Sorry for spelling and grammer I hate dyslexia My point being that if he did declare his income of $5.50 to the tax man, how much of that would the tax man take? I don't know what your rates are in the USA, but I'm sure it's not much, if anything at all. If anyone deserves a rebuke it's the employer paying much less than minimum wage (again, not sure what that equates to in the USA but the UK it's ú5.52 / $11.04 approx. p/h for 22 and over), so no local would even want to take the job, so it's filled by an illegal worker. "Taking the risk" of working illegally should not mean getting all your earnings taken off you at the airport. I UK too m8! but again he hasnt declared any thing and paid no taxes! I dont care what he earns! If he not doing things legal then tuff. Its simple! he declares what he earns and if he legal then np but I don't see why I mean $59k alot and i bet all that gone to taxes! I just hope the job he went to gets hit hard with a fine! ---------------- sig Sorry for spelling and grammer so dont flam me for my dyslexia



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