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Red5x5
Caldari
VentureCorp
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.10.01 10:00:00 -
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What fun is it to start a mission to have a player fly into my mission steal my mission objectives....warp out b4 I can kill them.
When I am trying to do a mission I now have to gimp my set-up to fit salvage and a tractor beam. Is this really how you meant missions to be? How stupid. I'm trying to watch my cap damage and go down the line of targets but now I also have to salv as I go. I cant see that you CCP meant for missions to be like this. I donÆt believe U intended the player fail a mission because some random player steals the mission items.
Did you intend to let other players go into someoneÆs mission to spawn waves of ships b4 the player even gets to the next lvl? That seems stupid?
When I can't "PLAY" the game doesnÆt that fall into this area....
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You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules. This includes, but is not limited to, making inappropriate use of any public channels within the game and/or intentionally creating excessive latency (lag) by dumping cargo containers, corpses or other items in the game world.
How am I supposed to "ENJOY" my mission, a solo event U do on your own or with your friends, when I have idiots flying all over screwing the mission up and even causing me to have to fail it?
WhatÆs the point of a mission anyway? well make isk from bounties, loot and salvage. lets face it the rewards ar junk. i have had guys come in and start killing my NPCs....WTF? So whatÆs the point? They are getting the bounty, loot AND salvage....
I now start blowing up every wreck the invader flyÆs too. If they are going to waste my time I am going to make it a waste of theirs.
my 2c. seems silly and stupid that every 3 of 5 missions I have to put up with this kind of crap.
thatÆs all
/rant
this is a post intended for someone who can do something about it to read, I dont sit on the forums to debate topics with other players. I make my point and go back to playing the game so you wont get a reply if you ask for one. Not being rude I just would rather play. Just an FYI
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.01 10:04:00 -
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Does anyone have an idea what the OP is on about?
Or is this some random whine about a high sec mission theft of some sort or another?
Translate please 
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way"
General George Patton USA
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hermot
Amarr
Shadow Monkeys
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Posted - 2007.10.01 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: RuleoftheBone
Does anyone have an idea what the OP is on about?
Or is this some random whine about a high sec mission theft of some sort or another?
Translate please
Correct
To Op: Fit tractor beam and post less on forums, then people wont steal while your busy making a thread on eve-o
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Paulo Damarr
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Posted - 2007.10.01 10:22:00 -
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Edited by: Paulo Damarr on 01/10/2007 10:22:11
Im sorry but description of people rampaging around your mission made me fall of my chair
Stealing the objective kinda sucks because you might loose standings but otherwise you should chill out and try to see the funny side and at least it made a boring mission exciting.
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Strife Phoenix
Acerbus Vindictum
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Posted - 2007.10.01 10:33:00 -
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What.. We are simply "protecting" your objectives and that comes with a small "fee" naturally.. 10 mil for your standings sounds fair doesn't it? 
Acerbus-Vindictum - Revelare Pecunia! |
Usagi Tsukino
Caldari
APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.01 10:51:00 -
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When they gank your can, shoot them.
Your missiles/guns work on players as well as NPCs...
Or don't mission in Motsu or however that Jita Lite system spelled...
On an unrealted note, I had no clue anyone in IRON mission ran. I thought you guys just pew pew'd... 
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Rikkard Strofeldt
Gallente
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.10.01 11:05:00 -
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Its allowed, and its been nerfed once already, because of whining pansies like you.
If you don't read the forums, why are you *****ing? Those that might help you are either laughing at you, or too scared to help you.
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Strife Phoenix
Acerbus Vindictum
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Posted - 2007.10.01 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Usagi Tsukino
When they gank your can, shoot them.
Oh yes.. please do 
Acerbus-Vindictum - Revelare Pecunia! |
Murtific
Caldari
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.01 11:32:00 -
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Mission running whiners like this is why I maxed scan probe skills on my alt. I think he'd warp out if he saw me warp in tho.. When ur flash flashy, people's heart jumps a tad bit =]
Scan probes coming your way =]
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Aphro Sia
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.10.01 11:32:00 -
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Edited by: Aphro Sia on 01/10/2007 11:34:04
if you do them in 0.0 thats a real easy way to catch them, trap them.
else you fly a dictor or you have a small/med bubble with ya and a cheap drone.
if its a deadspace mission you are f***ed, nothing you can do coz you cant place a bubble, nor launch it. or you have as described in high sec mission a gun boat and can have a shot on them.
if its a free space mission with no deadspace involved... have a good one.
get a bunch of wrecks together, jet the drone (easier to scan) and anchor a small/med bubble next to them. (or if you are in a dictor... wait for them to show up and bubble them). Have fun to shoot them!
for highsec mission... dont fly a raven or any other missileboat. they suck if you want to catch mission thieves. Get yourself a dominix with sentry drones or a gunboat like tempest, rokh, megathron.
When they come in, give them an instant pop. 
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Major Death
Caldari
Space Salvage Incorperated
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Posted - 2007.10.01 11:33:00 -
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The only problem is when someone does something to break the mission (i.e. make it incompleteable) and uses and ALT to do it.
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.10.01 11:41:00 -
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Downtime ends soon.
Your mission objective should have respawned.
You still suck though.
DT doesn't fix everything.
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Aphro Sia
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.10.01 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Blands
Downtime ends soon.
Your mission objective should have respawned.
You still suck though.
DT doesn't fix everything.
in this case you can petition that you got stuck AND you can name and shame that mission thief in a petition too, so he gets a nice warning / temp ban.
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Revenge 1
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Posted - 2007.10.01 12:17:00 -
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Joke?
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Aptenodytes
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Posted - 2007.10.01 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Aphro Sia
in this case you can petition that you got stuck AND you can name and shame that mission thief in a petition too, so he gets a nice warning / temp ban.
That made me LOL
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IgorIVVasiljevic
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.10.01 12:25:00 -
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IMO, give the missionary kill rights on a player which steeled loot, salvage, bounty or objective of the mission and let the stealer gets aggro from the rest of NPC .....and I will kill them all(...The Godfather I :)).
That would also be in accordance with risk/reward principle.
Lp. IgorIVVasiljevic
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Kayna Eelai
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Posted - 2007.10.01 12:33:00 -
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well, i've tried mission salvage stealing, also got a few guys concorded...
and i am kinda dissapointed. one time... just ONE i made real fast profit. and that was when i found 3 guys that just completed lvl4 blockade, and just left to deliver the mission and i got salvage plus loot.
i make much more profit from running my own lvl4 missions and salvaging them (i salvage with my alt at nearly same time that i destroy ships) as i get LP, bounties and mission reward too, apart the wrecks.
i'll keep "stealing" wrecks from now and then, as it's fun and u might get loot from some noob that concorded himself... but i will not do it for the profit, as i prooved myself that there are better ways to make ISK.
oh, and joining some1s mission, just to steal the mission objective is absolutely LAME imo... unless it's an item and you can ask for ransom, YARRR.
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Paulo Damarr
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Posted - 2007.10.01 13:06:00 -
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Would it be illegal to steal the objective item and ransom it back via private contracts?
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Serret Nevets
Mortis Angelus
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.10.01 13:16:00 -
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yeah, killing mission runners, miners, and taking their mod's and wreck loot mission objective isn't a very nice thing to do and should only be performed by trained professionals that know the rewards of doing such things.
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ollobrains
Mission Invasion Squad
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Posted - 2007.10.01 14:23:00 -
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i loled at the OP really i did. Mmmm against the TOS, well it cant be against the TOS terms of service when the devs specifically in other threads encourage such activity now can it hehe = thats right the guys that program the game put it in specifically
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Taedrin
Gallente
Magellan Exploration and Survey
Rare Faction
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Posted - 2007.10.01 14:38:00 -
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Solution: Run missions in low sec.
Of course then you have to worry about a different sort of mission invaders 
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Dungheap
Caldari
Dragon's Rage
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.10.01 16:36:00 -
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suspecting that ollo does nothing without a motive; mission invasion will be abused same as the wardec system. then ccp will change wrecks to have kill rights, same as jet cans.
this will make it safe for the prvtr's to run missions, as this screenie shows they're already at practice... i guess the old wardec abuse isn't as lucrative as it once was..
sorry about the crappy screenie but i had tears in my eyes watching prvtr guys fumble about doing a lvl3...
http://eve-files.com/dl/126873
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Hyuuga Veralis
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2007.10.01 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Major Death
The only problem is when someone does something to break the mission (i.e. make it incompleteable) and uses and ALT to do it.
Petitionable.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.10.01 17:40:00 -
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The problem is you misread the TOS.
"You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules."
You read it as not allowed to do stuff that makes the game non-enjoyable.
That's not what it says.
It says you should not do stuff that BREAKS any intended game mechanics.
Basically, that section says:
"thou shalt not lag. thou shalt not chat-spam. thou shalt not gang-invite-spam. thou shalt not haxx0r"
Hunting somebody down and making his life as miserable as possible if you're asking for ransom or want to nick his loot is a PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE according to the rules of the game, and you ARE allowing the victim to enjoy the full experience EVE has to offer, according to its rules.
One might even argue you're doing him a favor, since you're exposing him to a side of the game he had not yet experienced fully.
Why, he should THANK you for your time and effort !
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Susan Acid
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Posted - 2007.10.01 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Hyuuga Veralis
Originally by: Major Death
The only problem is when someone does something to break the mission (i.e. make it incompleteable) and uses and ALT to do it.
Petitionable.
What happens if the Alt demands Isk to give your mission objective back?
Is that still considered to be 'griefing'?
Tbh the more this sort of thing happens the more chance there is that CCP will 'fix' it.Just like they did with Privateers and war decs.
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Julius Romanus
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.10.01 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Susan Acid
Originally by: Hyuuga Veralis
Originally by: Major Death
The only problem is when someone does something to break the mission (i.e. make it incompleteable) and uses and ALT to do it.
Petitionable.
What happens if the Alt demands Isk to give your mission objective back?
Is that still considered to be 'griefing'?
Tbh the more this sort of thing happens the more chance there is that CCP will 'fix' it.Just like they did with Privateers and war decs.
Sounds like the free market working to me.
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Devian 666
Sectoid Technologies
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Posted - 2007.10.01 20:29:00 -
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This thread sounds like a request for a war dec.
I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star.
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Shad0w Hawk
Huff and Puff
Trinity.
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Posted - 2007.10.01 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Red5x5
When I am trying to do a mission I now have to gimp my set-up to fit salvage and a tractor beam. Is this really how you meant missions to be? How stupid. I'm trying to watch my cap damage and go down the line of targets but now I also have to salv as I go. I cant see that you CCP meant for missions to be like this. I donÆt believe U intended the player fail a mission because some random player steals the mission items.
Did you intend to let other players go into someoneÆs mission to spawn waves of ships b4 the player even gets to the next lvl? That seems stupid?
When I can't "PLAY" the game doesnÆt that fall into this area....
How am I supposed to "ENJOY" my mission, a solo event U do on your own or with your friends, when I have idiots flying all over screwing the mission up and even causing me to have to fail it?
WhatÆs the point of a mission anyway? well make isk from bounties, loot and salvage. lets face it the rewards ar junk. i have had guys come in and start killing my NPCs....WTF? So whatÆs the point? They are getting the bounty, loot AND salvage....
I now start blowing up every wreck the invader flyÆs too. If they are going to waste my time I am going to make it a waste of theirs.
my 2c. seems silly and stupid that every 3 of 5 missions I have to put up with this kind of crap.
thatÆs all
/rant
this is a post intended for someone who can do something about it to read, I dont sit on the forums to debate topics with other players. I make my point and go back to playing the game so you wont get a reply if you ask for one. Not being rude I just would rather play. Just an FYI
A) You don't HAVE to fit a tractor beam and/or a salvager.
B) You can play the game when people are ruining your missions, even if it sucks for you, but you're still playing the game.
C) If you hate missions so much, why are you doing them?
D) Maybe you should leave motsu/saila and pursue other dangerously epic adventures, like missioning in 0.5 space?
I love that you have an IRON tag btw, too bad you don't have 0.0 space to agentrun in, the rewards for that are awesome.
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Shari Vegas
Minmatar
Ctrl Alt Elites
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Posted - 2007.10.01 22:00:00 -
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All I have to say, is I did this today, and what fun it was!
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
I have no clue.
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Minmatar Escapee
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Posted - 2007.10.01 23:07:00 -
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Edited by: Minmatar Escapee on 01/10/2007 23:11:48
In an ideal or reasonably balance EVE that considered the feelings of empire huggers playing their own Single-Player mode:
Accel gates would be pass-code only but hackable by gankers who would be flagged to the "owner" of the mission so they could pop the annoying frig pilot who just agro'd everything in the mission and ran or buzzed in to steal the mission objective.
This isn't a game that encourages single-player mode. You are in an alliance, run missions with alliance m8's and spam through missions fast as hell. As a large (5-10) man group, you can plow L4's with no problem and have 2-3 people speed looting after the mission is done. Also, when you know you have to go to low-sec where mission gankers fly in force -bring a force of your own to plow the mission and gank the gankers.
And there is a petition for mission in progress. If they make it impossible for you to finish the mission -petition them.
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