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Red5x5 Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.10.01 10:00:00 - [1] What fun is it to start a mission to have a player fly into my mission steal my mission objectives....warp out b4 I can kill them. When I am trying to do a mission I now have to gimp my set-up to fit salvage and a tractor beam. Is this really how you meant missions to be? How stupid. I'm trying to watch my cap damage and go down the line of targets but now I also have to salv as I go. I cant see that you CCP meant for missions to be like this. I donÆt believe U intended the player fail a mission because some random player steals the mission items. Did you intend to let other players go into someoneÆs mission to spawn waves of ships b4 the player even gets to the next lvl? That seems stupid? When I can't "PLAY" the game doesnÆt that fall into this area.... Quote: You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules. This includes, but is not limited to, making inappropriate use of any public channels within the game and/or intentionally creating excessive latency (lag) by dumping cargo containers, corpses or other items in the game world. How am I supposed to "ENJOY" my mission, a solo event U do on your own or with your friends, when I have idiots flying all over screwing the mission up and even causing me to have to fail it? WhatÆs the point of a mission anyway? well make isk from bounties, loot and salvage. lets face it the rewards ar junk. i have had guys come in and start killing my NPCs....WTF? So whatÆs the point? They are getting the bounty, loot AND salvage.... I now start blowing up every wreck the invader flyÆs too. If they are going to waste my time I am going to make it a waste of theirs. my 2c. seems silly and stupid that every 3 of 5 missions I have to put up with this kind of crap. thatÆs all /rant this is a post intended for someone who can do something about it to read, I dont sit on the forums to debate topics with other players. I make my point and go back to playing the game so you wont get a reply if you ask for one. Not being rude I just would rather play. Just an FYI =========================== "RED" Cache Clearer
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.10.01 10:04:00 - [2] Does anyone have an idea what the OP is on about? Or is this some random whine about a high sec mission theft of some sort or another? Translate please "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
hermot Amarr Shadow Monkeys	Posted - 2007.10.01 10:21:00 - [3] Originally by: RuleoftheBone Does anyone have an idea what the OP is on about? Or is this some random whine about a high sec mission theft of some sort or another? Translate please Correct To Op: Fit tractor beam and post less on forums, then people wont steal while your busy making a thread on eve-o
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2007.10.01 10:22:00 - [4] Edited by: Paulo Damarr on 01/10/2007 10:22:11 Im sorry but description of people rampaging around your mission made me fall of my chair Stealing the objective kinda sucks because you might loose standings but otherwise you should chill out and try to see the funny side and at least it made a boring mission exciting.
Strife Phoenix Acerbus Vindictum	Posted - 2007.10.01 10:33:00 - [5] What.. We are simply "protecting" your objectives and that comes with a small "fee" naturally.. 10 mil for your standings sounds fair doesn't it? Acerbus-Vindictum - Revelare Pecunia!
Usagi Tsukino Caldari APEX Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.01 10:51:00 - [6] When they gank your can, shoot them. Your missiles/guns work on players as well as NPCs... Or don't mission in Motsu or however that Jita Lite system spelled... On an unrealted note, I had no clue anyone in IRON mission ran. I thought you guys just pew pew'd... --- Usagi Tsukino // Security Director APEX Unlimited // Public Channel: APEXCOM
Rikkard Strofeldt Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.10.01 11:05:00 - [7] Its allowed, and its been nerfed once already, because of whining pansies like you. If you don't read the forums, why are you *****ing? Those that might help you are either laughing at you, or too scared to help you. -- Madness has arisen.
Strife Phoenix Acerbus Vindictum	Posted - 2007.10.01 11:27:00 - [8] Originally by: Usagi Tsukino When they gank your can, shoot them. Oh yes.. please do Acerbus-Vindictum - Revelare Pecunia!
Murtific Caldari Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.01 11:32:00 - [9] Mission running whiners like this is why I maxed scan probe skills on my alt. I think he'd warp out if he saw me warp in tho.. When ur flash flashy, people's heart jumps a tad bit =] Scan probes coming your way =]
Aphro Sia Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.10.01 11:32:00 - [10] Edited by: Aphro Sia on 01/10/2007 11:34:04 if you do them in 0.0 thats a real easy way to catch them, trap them. else you fly a dictor or you have a small/med bubble with ya and a cheap drone. if its a deadspace mission you are f***ed, nothing you can do coz you cant place a bubble, nor launch it. or you have as described in high sec mission a gun boat and can have a shot on them. if its a free space mission with no deadspace involved... have a good one. get a bunch of wrecks together, jet the drone (easier to scan) and anchor a small/med bubble next to them. (or if you are in a dictor... wait for them to show up and bubble them). Have fun to shoot them! for highsec mission... dont fly a raven or any other missileboat. they suck if you want to catch mission thieves. Get yourself a dominix with sentry drones or a gunboat like tempest, rokh, megathron. When they come in, give them an instant pop.

Major Death Caldari Space Salvage Incorperated	Posted - 2007.10.01 11:33:00 - [11] The only problem is when someone does something to break the mission (i.e. make it incompleteable) and uses and ALT to do it. My original sig was 'Enjoy lag free play in a dynamic space MMORPG'. It was removed for lack of EVE content! ;)
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2007.10.01 11:41:00 - [12] Downtime ends soon. Your mission objective should have respawned. You still suck though. DT doesn't fix everything.
Aphro Sia Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.10.01 11:46:00 - [13] Originally by: Gaven Blands Downtime ends soon. Your mission objective should have respawned. You still suck though. DT doesn't fix everything. in this case you can petition that you got stuck AND you can name and shame that mission thief in a petition too, so he gets a nice warning / temp ban.
Revenge 1	Posted - 2007.10.01 12:17:00 - [14] Joke?
Aptenodytes	Posted - 2007.10.01 12:23:00 - [15] Originally by: Aphro Sia in this case you can petition that you got stuck AND you can name and shame that mission thief in a petition too, so he gets a nice warning / temp ban. That made me LOL
IgorIVVasiljevic Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.10.01 12:25:00 - [16] IMO, give the missionary kill rights on a player which steeled loot, salvage, bounty or objective of the mission and let the stealer gets aggro from the rest of NPC .....and I will kill them all(...The Godfather I :)). That would also be in accordance with risk/reward principle. Lp. IgorIVVasiljevic
Kayna Eelai	Posted - 2007.10.01 12:33:00 - [17] well, i've tried mission salvage stealing, also got a few guys concorded... and i am kinda dissapointed. one time... just ONE i made real fast profit. and that was when i found 3 guys that just completed lvl4 blockade, and just left to deliver the mission and i got salvage plus loot. i make much more profit from running my own lvl4 missions and salvaging them (i salvage with my alt at nearly same time that i destroy ships) as i get LP, bounties and mission reward too, apart the wrecks. i'll keep "stealing" wrecks from now and then, as it's fun and u might get loot from some noob that concorded himself... but i will not do it for the profit, as i prooved myself that there are better ways to make ISK. oh, and joining some1s mission, just to steal the mission objective is absolutely LAME imo... unless it's an item and you can ask for ransom, YARRR.
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2007.10.01 13:06:00 - [18] Would it be illegal to steal the objective item and ransom it back via private contracts?
Serret Nevets Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2007.10.01 13:16:00 - [19] yeah, killing mission runners, miners, and taking their mod's and wreck loot mission objective isn't a very nice thing to do and should only be performed by trained professionals that know the rewards of doing such things. The Invention Helper Database!
ollobrains Mission Invasion Squad	Posted - 2007.10.01 14:23:00 - [20] i loled at the OP really i did. Mmmm against the TOS, well it cant be against the TOS terms of service when the devs specifically in other threads encourage such activity now can it hehe = thats right the guys that program the game put it in specifically Group mission invasions

Taedrin Gallente Magellan Exploration and Survey Rare Faction	Posted - 2007.10.01 14:38:00 - [21] Solution: Run missions in low sec. Of course then you have to worry about a different sort of mission invaders
Dungheap Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.10.01 16:36:00 - [22] suspecting that ollo does nothing without a motive; mission invasion will be abused same as the wardec system. then ccp will change wrecks to have kill rights, same as jet cans. this will make it safe for the prvtr's to run missions, as this screenie shows they're already at practice... i guess the old wardec abuse isn't as lucrative as it once was.. sorry about the crappy screenie but i had tears in my eyes watching prvtr guys fumble about doing a lvl3... http://eve-files.com/dl/126873
Hyuuga Veralis Pator Tech School	Posted - 2007.10.01 17:31:00 - [23] Originally by: Major Death The only problem is when someone does something to break the mission (i.e. make it incompleteable) and uses and ALT to do it. Petitionable. -------------- Fulfilling 0.0 Ammo needs since 2 days after being made.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.10.01 17:40:00 - [24] The problem is you misread the TOS. "You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules." You read it as not allowed to do stuff that makes the game non-enjoyable. That's not what it says. It says you should not do stuff that BREAKS any intended game mechanics. Basically, that section says: "thou shalt not lag. thou shalt not chat-spam. thou shalt not gang-invite-spam. thou shalt not haxx0r" Hunting somebody down and making his life as miserable as possible if you're asking for ransom or want to nick his loot is a PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE according to the rules of the game, and you ARE allowing the victim to enjoy the full experience EVE has to offer, according to its rules. One might even argue you're doing him a favor, since you're exposing him to a side of the game he had not yet experienced fully. Why, he should THANK you for your time and effort ! _ Caldari N.V.T.F. is recruiting...
Susan Acid	Posted - 2007.10.01 17:46:00 - [25] Originally by: Hyuuga Veralis Originally by: Major Death The only problem is when someone does something to break the mission (i.e. make it incompleteable) and uses and ALT to do it. Petitionable. What happens if the Alt demands Isk to give your mission objective back? Is that still considered to be 'griefing'? Tbh the more this sort of thing happens the more chance there is that CCP will 'fix' it.Just like they did with Privateers and war decs.
Julius Romanus Bloodmoney Incorporated	Posted - 2007.10.01 19:01:00 - [26] Originally by: Susan Acid Originally by: Hyuuga Veralis Originally by: Major Death The only problem is when someone does something to break the mission (i.e. make it incompleteable) and uses and ALT to do it. Petitionable. What happens if the Alt demands Isk to give your mission objective back? Is that still considered to be 'griefing'? Tbh the more this sort of thing happens the more chance there is that CCP will 'fix' it.Just like they did with Privateers and war decs. Sounds like the free market working to me.
Devian 666 Sectoid Technologies	Posted - 2007.10.01 20:29:00 - [27] This thread sounds like a request for a war dec. I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star. Most people have missed the point that this is Mobsters Online and that carebears are at the bottom of the foodchain.
Shad0w Hawk Huff and Puff Trinity.	Posted - 2007.10.01 20:50:00 - [28] Originally by: Red5x5 When I am trying to do a mission I now have to gimp my set-up to fit salvage and a tractor beam. Is this really how you meant missions to be? How stupid. I'm trying to watch my cap damage and go down the line of targets but now I also have to salv as I go. I cant see that you CCP meant for missions to be like this. I donÆt believe U intended the player fail a mission because some random player steals the mission items. Did you intend to let other players go into someoneÆs mission to spawn waves of ships b4 the player even gets to the next lvl? That seems stupid? When I can't "PLAY" the game doesnÆt that fall into this area.... How am I supposed to "ENJOY" my mission, a solo event U do on your own or with your friends, when I have idiots flying all over screwing the mission up and even causing me to have to fail it? WhatÆs the point of a mission anyway? well make isk from bounties, loot and salvage. lets face it the rewards ar junk. i have had guys come in and start killing my NPCs....WTF? So whatÆs the point? They are getting the bounty, loot AND salvage.... I now start blowing up every wreck the invader flyÆs too. If they are going to waste my time I am going to make it a waste of theirs. my 2c. seems silly and stupid that every 3 of 5 missions I have to put up with this kind of crap. thatÆs all /rant this is a post intended for someone who can do something about it to read, I dont sit on the forums to debate topics with other players. I make my point and go back to playing the game so you wont get a reply if you ask for one. Not being rude I just would rather play. Just an FYI A) You don't HAVE to fit a tractor beam and/or a salvager. B) You can play the game when people are ruining your missions, even if it sucks for you, but you're still playing the game. C) If you hate missions so much, why are you doing them? D) Maybe you should leave motsu/saila and pursue other dangerously epic adventures, like missioning in 0.5 space? I love that you have an IRON tag btw, too bad you don't have 0.0 space to agentrun in, the rewards for that are awesome.
Shari Vegas Minmatar Ctrl Alt Elites	Posted - 2007.10.01 22:00:00 - [29] All I have to say, is I did this today, and what fun it was! Originally by: CCP Wrangler I have no clue.
Minmatar Escapee	Posted - 2007.10.01 23:07:00 - [30] Edited by: Minmatar Escapee on 01/10/2007 23:11:48 In an ideal or reasonably balance EVE that considered the feelings of empire huggers playing their own Single-Player mode: Accel gates would be pass-code only but hackable by gankers who would be flagged to the "owner" of the mission so they could pop the annoying frig pilot who just agro'd everything in the mission and ran or buzzed in to steal the mission objective. This isn't a game that encourages single-player mode. You are in an alliance, run missions with alliance m8's and spam through missions fast as hell. As a large (5-10) man group, you can plow L4's with no problem and have 2-3 people speed looting after the mission is done. Also, when you know you have to go to low-sec where mission gankers fly in force -bring a force of your own to plow the mission and gank the gankers. And there is a petition for mission in progress. If they make it impossible for you to finish the mission -petition them.

Leviathani Darkri Fatalix Inc. Rising Sun Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.01 23:20:00 - [31] Edited by: Leviathani Darkri on 01/10/2007 23:21:53 My, how IRON has fallen... To actually have a member posting a whine about PvE of all things, and more senior members not posting to STFU.
Major Death Caldari Space Salvage Incorperated	Posted - 2007.10.01 23:43:00 - [32] Quote: Sounds like the free market working to me. For someone using their main, yes it is. For someone using an Alt then no, it appears to be petitionable. Just like suicide ganking people using 'throw away' Alts is frowned upon. My original sig was 'Enjoy lag free play in a dynamic space MMORPG'. It was removed for lack of EVE content! ;)
Cyber Crusader	Posted - 2007.10.02 00:06:00 - [33] If only you were part of a large alliance/corp that had other members that could help you.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.02 00:23:00 - [34] Originally by: Akita T thou shalt not lag Ban everyone in Jita! And motsu... and saila Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking Originally by: TheDagda click For the love of the jovians stops necroing
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.10.02 00:43:00 - [35] Not against the TOS. Nothing in EVE is risk free, or is free from the interaction of other players, be it the space you fly in, the Market you buy on, or even the Deadspace you do missions in. The EVE player will always find new and exciting ways to bust your balls. That's what makes EVE great. If you want to go somewhere where you can run about merrily oblivious doing your little quests, than sign up for World of Warcraft, and jump your silly bones onto a PVE server. What you have laying about in space while you're doing missions is ISK in terms of Salvage parts. As with piracy or scamming, EVE players will often try to find fun and easy ways of freeing you from the heavy burden of your ISK. Get used to it, get over it. If you're going to mission in a giant hub, especially near Jita, you might as well forget all about your wrecks. They'll be neatly picked by the no less than 5 people actively scanning for your hidey hole at a time. Your best bet is to finish the mission as quickly as possible, turn it in, and hope you leave them stranded at the first gate denying them loot, or, if you're that offended by it, blow your wrecks as you go. Or just plain go do something else for a while if it's that stressful to you. There's plenty plenty of things to do in New Eden that you really shouldn't be left wanting because you can't get a bit of salvage. Spare me the tears, and adapt. You have options. Use them.
Devian 666 Sectoid Technologies	Posted - 2007.10.02 01:01:00 - [36] Originally by: Minmatar Escapee (good advice) And there is a petition for mission in progress. If they make it impossible for you to finish the mission -petition them. It's not petition worthy. People just need to pay the ransom for the mission objective instead of losing the standings (unless you can afford to take the hit). I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star. Most people have missed the point that this is Mobsters Online and that carebears are at the bottom of the foodchain.
Berrik Radhok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.02 02:56:00 - [37] starting locator agent so I can go find the OP and start flipping his cans
ollobrains Mission Invasion Squad	Posted - 2007.10.02 03:03:00 - [38] Originally by: Berrik Radhok starting locator agent so I can go find the OP and start flipping his cans fouind him and his mates, along with a few hundred others ill flag down. Steal loot and salvage and profit and be gone before the single minded grinders even wake up Group mission invasions
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.10.02 05:07:00 - [39] Motsu was a madhouse earlier. I'd got a hit on one guy, about a minute after I get in there 4 other people show up and it was a mad dash for the wrecks. Hah! I agree though that things need to be changed about mission looters. Tractor Beams need to be able to be used on anyone's cans, not just gang members. Do you know how inconvenient it is flying to each wreck? Time for a change, CCP!
Kirex Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.02 05:49:00 - [40] rofl...

Bellum Eternus Gallente Blood Corsair's	Posted - 2007.10.02 06:02:00 - [41] Originally by: Hyuuga Veralis Originally by: Major Death The only problem is when someone does something to break the mission (i.e. make it incompleteable) and uses and ALT to do it. Petitionable. Wrong. BTW, whiney carebears are interfering with my enjoyment of the game. Petitionable? Bellum Eternus [Vid]Blood Corsairs - Day One
retzki Laughing Leprechauns Corporation	Posted - 2007.10.02 12:41:00 - [42] Edited by: retzki on 02/10/2007 12:42:03 Originally by: Red5x5 Quote: You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules. This includes, but is not limited to, making inappropriate use of any public channels within the game and/or intentionally creating excessive latency (lag) by dumping cargo containers, corpses or other items in the game world. How am I supposed to "ENJOY" my mission, a solo event U do on your own or with your friends, when I have idiots flying all over screwing the mission up and even causing me to have to fail it? Tbfh: I could also state your posting makes me stop enjoying eve. Ban? Don't think so.. :) edit: Bellum was first, cheers mate :)
ollobrains Mission Invasion Squad	Posted - 2007.10.02 22:30:00 - [43] motsu, saila, deltole, aunia, dodixie, rens , amarr prime , pentigram ( various other busy mission systems where u can have fun) Group mission invasions
Radcjk Caldari Dark Star LTD	Posted - 2007.10.06 14:44:00 - [44] Hahahahahaha. Missiuon runners are npc *****s and carebears...but the guy that can scans down and kills a mission runner, or his objective, (who must, just oh my must, be the biggest carebear in eve during that 10 seconds!)is hard core. Candy Asses. This thread recieves of a 5 of 10 rating for stupidity. On both sides.
Bacci Galu Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.10.06 16:06:00 - [45] Fit a TB mate.. A lot of the missions u can also buy the items u need to finnish them from the market.. some u cant tho, worst case let the 6-8 hour timer thingy run its course, so no standing hit... in the mean time go to ya next agent.. Get mission runnin partner in a smaller and faster ship... he can salvage, and race towards any cans u may need.. Maker of thy sig Yes i do make sigs, banners, corp logo's ect...
Krows Resource Reallocators Incorporated	Posted - 2007.10.06 16:56:00 - [46] From the deepest recesses of my black heart, I still think it's wrong to steal a mission item (preventing them from completing it), regardless if you ransom it or not. But... I hold no qualms upon taking every other wreck and item in the entire mission ten times over. Hell, maybe even a bump bump here and there if his tank starts failing (fifty million bud.) What I say here... does not reflect on my corp or alliance.
CampyloBacter Gallente Chlamydia Online	Posted - 2007.10.06 18:13:00 - [47] To the OP, Welcome to Eve, a game where concern for others is seen as weakness and where a substantial proportion of the playerbase exist to do nothing other than inflict deliberate misery upon others for their own gratification. A place where those who enjoy this behaviour excuse it by quoting that Eve is a 'dark and heartless place' and where if you can't hack it then don't play. Rather like the human race until civilisation and humanity took over. Inevitably the Darwinian argument of 'survival of the fittest' is quoted by these individuals in a self-congratulatory ego-trip implying that their ability to take something you need, in some way increases their self-perceived 'status' in the game. I really don't imagine it made them much money, so one wonders what else their motivation was. Despite the advice from other posters, theft of an essential mission item is NOT petitionable. The official advice will be to pay the thieves whatever they demand to ransom back the goods, very much in keeping with the ethos of the game according to most of the above posters. My advice? Make everything you do in this game dictated by paranoia. Before doing anything, think of the worst case scenario and plan against it. Assume that whatever you do there will be some asswhole who wants to disrupt it. Take pleasure from the fact that your avoiding actions depriving them of their ego-trip is as much PVP as their 'gank' or 'grief' behaviour is. To me, planning a well-executed mission, minimising the risk of intrusion, is part of the game and when others fail to disrupt my plans I congratulate myself as much as they do if they succeed in ganking me. I don't agree with lessening the gaming experience of others just to make me feel bigger, but I know that this is an attitude which many in this game have. Naturally, your experience has left you feeling infuriated whilst others feed on that sentiment and enjoy it. Take some pride in rising above the lowest denominator and avoid it happening to you in future.
Zen Guerrilla Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.06 19:48:00 - [48] Edited by: Zen Guerrilla on 06/10/2007 19:48:32 Originally by: Krows From the deepest recesses of my black heart, I still think it's wrong to steal a mission item (preventing them from completing it), regardless if you ransom it or not. But... I hold no qualms upon taking every other wreck and item in the entire mission ten times over. Hell, maybe even a bump bump here and there if his tank starts failing (fifty million bud.) That. Everything further is just plain griefing. Personally, i got no problem whatsoever with pvp in eve. But it amazes me how simple it is to grief others without a chance to get back at you. And that there's so many people who enjoy it. ----------------------------- Not an alt. And proud of it.
Acoco Osiris Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.10.07 01:07:00 - [49] Indeed, as above poster said, my only problem with ******* with mission runners comes when you make a mission uncompletable. Steal their wrecks, hell, suicide gank their ships (could actually be fairly profitable if he's in a faction-fitted CNR), but don't touch the mission objective. All other things he can get around or just coast without, but having no mission objective around is almost impossible to work around. ------------------------------ One more soldier off to war... And one Velator in my hangars.
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.07 08:13:00 - [50] "How am I supposed to "ENJOY" my mission, a solo event U do on your own or with your friends," See, right about... there was where you went wrong. Nowhere in EvE is "solo". Anyone can go everywhere you can go. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.



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