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Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
261
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Posted - 2012.01.22 20:19:00 -
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One pro tip to the nullbears: Don't compare incursion income to the 23/7 cylce you let your bots run. No incursion pilot is online for that much time and because people don't bot they need a break from time to time, you will also have to factor sleep and a wide number of RL activities into this.
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Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
87
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Posted - 2012.01.22 20:20:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:Onictus wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Wot I Think wrote:Why PLEX?
PLEX is one of those unique commodities that allows froobs to play EVE. Back before the world economy went down in flames, most people subscribed, and applied PLEX to increase wealth. A select amount of no life froobs could exploit local resources in a work to live arrangement. All was good.
Enter Incursions, 2b ISK per pilot per 24 hours if allowed to run unmolested and in highsec that is always allowed. The nullsec froob either quits eve or becomes a subber. Mostly they just quit. Post Incursion Null is a vacuum, if you can avoid the roaming hostiles you can earn 50 to 60m an hour ratting if you get a faction mod or two. But only an idiot would remain. Highsec incursions draw 130m+ an hour with no roaming gangs or dependance on drops.
In simple terms incursions killed nullsec, and forced hundreds of nullsec players to quit EVE. Incursions changed the f population and gameplay of EVE. EVE was a game about the conquest of empires. EVE is now about instanced raids, and who can box the most pilots.
Risk v Reward is now just reward.
NullSec isn't mad about wallet balances, they are mad because they have lost true friends. You are a liar. Pure and simple. Your numbers are a complete fabrication. His numbers are sort of on point, 100mil an hour doesn't need a "shiney" fleet just one that is built correctly. That would be 2.3bil per pilot on a 23 hour cycle. Since you don't start seeing systems contest till about 100 in system that is a trillion an hour per vanguard system with 100 pilots running, maybe a little less, but no less that 750 bil. Thus you are talking in the range of 19-23 trillion per day per hi-sec vanguard system. This is the one I have to wonder about. Are those Typo's? Obviously not, as the authors quite consistent; but then I have to wonder if he's completely off his rocker? Maybe misunderstood the question, or has no idea what he's talking about? I've never run Incursions, but I have a very hard time believing this. I believe it's possible that 8 out of 100 pilots make 60-70 million ISK an hour each, and maybe as many as 3 times that running different sites in the same system. So that would actually be 24 pilots times ~70 million ISK, and equal about 1.68 billion ISK an hour for each Vanguard system. Certainly not 100 pilots times 130 million ISK an hour, for 13 brillion ISK. Nowhere near a trillion ISK an hour; someone needs to stop drinking and posting. Sure as heck a bunch of fleets, with 100 pilots total for all fleets, don't get a payout each. Even if you had 3 Vanguard sites in one system, and one fleet of 33 pilots per site farming; you'd find this wouldn't amount to much, because each pilot would be earning something like ~16 million each per hour. Reward scales with number of pilots as far as I know; just like they do in Wormholes with Sleepers.
SO wait you are tell me you have never tried it but i'm wrong.
It wasn't a typo douche bag, I said 100 mil per hour per pilot....I wasn't wrong and I wasn't bullshitting...that is an average fleet.
Good fleets pull 120 uncontested and shinies 150 mil PER HOUR.
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
235
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Posted - 2012.01.22 20:21:00 -
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Quote:One pro tip to the nullbears: Don't compare incursion income to the 23/7 cylce you let your bots run. No incursion pilot is online for that much time and because people don't bot they need a break from time to time, you will also have to factor sleep and a wide number of RL activities into this. case in point |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
77
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Posted - 2012.01.22 20:36:00 -
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Onictus wrote:Mars Theran wrote:Onictus wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Wot I Think wrote:Why PLEX?
PLEX is one of those unique commodities that allows froobs to play EVE. Back before the world economy went down in flames, most people subscribed, and applied PLEX to increase wealth. A select amount of no life froobs could exploit local resources in a work to live arrangement. All was good.
Enter Incursions, 2b ISK per pilot per 24 hours if allowed to run unmolested and in highsec that is always allowed. The nullsec froob either quits eve or becomes a subber. Mostly they just quit. Post Incursion Null is a vacuum, if you can avoid the roaming hostiles you can earn 50 to 60m an hour ratting if you get a faction mod or two. But only an idiot would remain. Highsec incursions draw 130m+ an hour with no roaming gangs or dependance on drops.
In simple terms incursions killed nullsec, and forced hundreds of nullsec players to quit EVE. Incursions changed the f population and gameplay of EVE. EVE was a game about the conquest of empires. EVE is now about instanced raids, and who can box the most pilots.
Risk v Reward is now just reward.
NullSec isn't mad about wallet balances, they are mad because they have lost true friends. You are a liar. Pure and simple. Your numbers are a complete fabrication. His numbers are sort of on point, 100mil an hour doesn't need a "shiney" fleet just one that is built correctly. That would be 2.3bil per pilot on a 23 hour cycle. Since you don't start seeing systems contest till about 100 in system that is a trillion an hour per vanguard system with 100 pilots running, maybe a little less, but no less that 750 bil. Thus you are talking in the range of 19-23 trillion per day per hi-sec vanguard system. This is the one I have to wonder about. Are those Typo's? Obviously not, as the authors quite consistent; but then I have to wonder if he's completely off his rocker? Maybe misunderstood the question, or has no idea what he's talking about? I've never run Incursions, but I have a very hard time believing this. I believe it's possible that 8 out of 100 pilots make 60-70 million ISK an hour each, and maybe as many as 3 times that running different sites in the same system. So that would actually be 24 pilots times ~70 million ISK, and equal about 1.68 billion ISK an hour for each Vanguard system. Certainly not 100 pilots times 130 million ISK an hour, for 13 brillion ISK. Nowhere near a trillion ISK an hour; someone needs to stop drinking and posting. Sure as heck a bunch of fleets, with 100 pilots total for all fleets, don't get a payout each. Even if you had 3 Vanguard sites in one system, and one fleet of 33 pilots per site farming; you'd find this wouldn't amount to much, because each pilot would be earning something like ~16 million each per hour. Reward scales with number of pilots as far as I know; just like they do in Wormholes with Sleepers. SO wait you are telling me you have never tried it but i'm wrong. It wasn't a typo douche bag, I said 100 mil per hour per pilot....I wasn't wrong and I wasn't bullshitting...that is an average fleet. Good fleets pull 120 uncontested and shinies 150 mil PER HOUR.
You also said 1 Trillion per hour per system. 100 pilots in 1 system running 130 million per hour per pilot is only 13 billion ISK.
If it was 23 Trillion ISK per day per Vaguard System, the economy would be completely fubar. |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
335
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Posted - 2012.01.22 20:42:00 -
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next week incursions will make 175mil an hour!!!! quick everyone make posts! |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
87
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Posted - 2012.01.22 20:42:00 -
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grr |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
87
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Posted - 2012.01.22 20:43:00 -
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Onictus wrote:Mars Theran wrote:[
You also said 1 Trillion per hour per system. 100 pilots in 1 system running 130 million per hour per pilot is only 13 billion ISK.
If it was 23 Trillion ISK per day per Vaguard System, the economy would be completely fubar.
Sorry 100 billion per hour
So 23 billion a day per system, sometimes three incursions, so 6 systems at a time.....1.38 trillion per day with three hi-sec incursions running.
Which is why plex when from around 290-325 when I started playing to 425-500 now depending on where the spike is. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
327
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Posted - 2012.01.22 21:16:00 -
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Deviana Sevidon wrote:One pro tip to the nullbears: Don't compare incursion income to the 23/7 cylce you let your bots run. No incursion pilot is online for that much time and because people don't bot they need a break from time to time, you will also have to factor sleep and a wide number of RL activities into this.
While a select number of 0.0 people are assholes and shamelessly run bots, please do not use them to besmirch the name of everyone in 0.0. The point OP was trying to make is that for leisurely pilots (the ones that you describe), in the same "few hours" of invested time, incursions are far more profitable than anything they could be doing in nullsec.
Select groups of few people, such as the ones with wallets full of moon goo isk or the ones with wallets full of botting/RMT isk do not belong in general comparisons like this. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
686
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Posted - 2012.01.22 21:20:00 -
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Wot I Think wrote:In simple terms incursions killed nullsec ... I wrote about this in November.
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Tore Vest
Vikinghall
151
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Posted - 2012.01.22 21:21:00 -
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Incursions have been around for a year.... It was when super nerf was anonced that plex prices went to the roof..... So... I blame CCP/goons for current plex prices |
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Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.01.22 21:22:00 -
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Onictus wrote:Onictus wrote:Mars Theran wrote:[
You also said 1 Trillion per hour per system. 100 pilots in 1 system running 130 million per hour per pilot is only 13 billion ISK.
If it was 23 Trillion ISK per day per Vaguard System, the economy would be completely fubar. Sorry 100 billion per hour So 23 billion a day per system, sometimes three incursions, so 6 systems at a time.....1.38 trillion per day with three hi-sec incursions running. Which is why plex when from around 290-325 when I started playing to 425-500 now depending on where the spike is.
Huh, GTC was selling for something like 750m/60 day two years ago. Current prices are around 880m/60day. That's 130m increase in two years which includes the introduction of Plex as a traded commodity.
The real isk faucet driving Plex prices isn't incursions. It's null sec PI. All that POS fuel isk that use to get sunk out of the economy through NPC purchases are now going to players. Most high sec residents have one account that they pay real money for. On the other hand guys out in Null are using their new passive income to pay for their accounts. If you're unhappy about Plex prices go complain to "our members make 500m/month doing PI" Goonswarm. That's your problem.
Oh and the current Plex market in Jita runs about 1.2 trillion a day. Just plexes. Just in Jita. 1.38 Trillion a day is a drop in the bucket to the EvE economy. |
Nor Tzestu
Stillwater Intelligence Services
40
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Posted - 2012.01.22 21:27:00 -
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So incursions killed null sec? lol. Guess what. The asshats that run null sec killed null sec. Did you think keeping all the tech moons and the ******** isk faucet they are to a couple "powerblocs" would work well for alliance morale? Did you think constantly shitting on high sec dwellers in forum and in game would make them want to move out there and live with you? Did you think your years of sitting on your asses looking for ways to mess with "bears" when you have plenty of targets the NEXT constelation over would be good PR? Did you think WTFBBQ'n any little group that dare try to find a home out there would add to your activity? Here is an idea. How about you stop pointing fingers as to why no one wants to play this game with you and realize its your fault. You all made it so small groups can't live out there. You kill everything that moves in your general direction. You pretty much **** the place up. And you think it is someone else's fault? Enjoy your trailer park.
You expect me to believe your "true" friends left the game cause some bear you all hate in high sec has the isk to buy a shiny "faction" ship to run missions in? Really? Tell me you have some form of mental handicap. I can't possibly fathom the depths of stupidity it takes to come to that "conclusion". After reading that post I honestly think they left to escape your mongoloid drivel. Do cry more how people you despise and couldn't care less about are ruining the shithole you call a home though. The tears are high comedy. |
Jorn Isu
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
21
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Posted - 2012.01.22 21:29:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Deviana Sevidon wrote:One pro tip to the nullbears: Don't compare incursion income to the 23/7 cylce you let your bots run. No incursion pilot is online for that much time and because people don't bot they need a break from time to time, you will also have to factor sleep and a wide number of RL activities into this.
While a select number of 0.0 people are assholes and shamelessly run bots, please do not use them to besmirch the name of everyone in 0.0. The point OP was trying to make is that for leisurely pilots (the ones that you describe), in the same "few hours" of invested time, incursions are far more profitable than anything they could be doing in nullsec. Select groups of few people, such as the ones with wallets full of moon goo isk or the ones with wallets full of botting/RMT isk do not belong in general comparisons like this. I'm new here, so forgive me if I completely misunderstand the situation, but:
This is similar to how cops defend accusations of abuses of power with "I don't do it, none of my friends do it, therefore it doesn't exist!" By willingly coexisting with bots (My understanding is that most major null alliances have "do not report" rules, at least with regards to their own bots, and possibly "do not report" NAPs), you are complicit in the activity.
Also, forgive the dramatic comparison, I'm not trying to equate botting in a game with beating people up because they looked at you funny :)
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Nor Tzestu wrote:So incursions killed null sec? lol. Guess what. The asshats that run null sec killed null sec. Did you think keeping all the tech moons and the ******** isk faucet they are to a couple "powerblocs" would work well for alliance morale? www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIP6EwqMEoE#t=0h0m16s |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
327
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Posted - 2012.01.22 21:35:00 -
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Jorn Isu wrote: I'm new here, so forgive me if I completely misunderstand the situation, but:
This is similar to how cops defend accusations of abuses of power with "I don't do it, none of my friends do it, therefore it doesn't exist!" By willingly coexisting with bots (My understanding is that most major null alliances have "do not report" rules, at least with regards to their own bots, and possibly "do not report" NAPs), you are complicit in the activity.
Also, forgive the dramatic comparison, I'm not trying to equate botting in a game with beating people up because they looked at you funny :)
Yeah, I get where you're going, but I have never been part of an alliance with a "do not report" policy. I have even spoken out against those who use those policies (check my post history), as by turning a blind eye to this practice everyone hates and everyone acknowledges is bad for Eve, they are simultaneously padding their own wallets and taking the easy/cowardly way out of the possible diplomatic issues resulting from anti-botting policies.
Still, to say that incursions are okay because people in 0.0 make even more money by botting is unfair. More people run incursions than bot (or so I hope), and plus, incursions are a perfectly okay abuse of unbalanced game mechanics, rather than a breach of EULA that can possible cause banning, like botting. |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
78
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Posted - 2012.01.22 21:51:00 -
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Onictus wrote:Onictus wrote:Mars Theran wrote:[
You also said 1 Trillion per hour per system. 100 pilots in 1 system running 130 million per hour per pilot is only 13 billion ISK.
If it was 23 Trillion ISK per day per Vaguard System, the economy would be completely fubar. Sorry 100 billion per hour So 23 billion a day per system, sometimes three incursions, so 6 systems at a time.....1.38 trillion per day with three hi-sec incursions running. Which is why plex when from around 290-325 when I started playing to 425-500 now depending on where the spike is.
I understand it is still a lot of ISK for Incursions and potentially game-breaking if something isn't done about it soon. Scaling down the rewards would be nice, and it might not be out of place to have Faction and Concord reduce their response times due to being needed elsewhere. Example: Concord response could take an extra 10 seconds, and Faction Response could drop by 2-3 security levels, meaning that in 0.5-0.6, and possibly even 0.7 systems they would be virtually non-existent.
This has very little to do with PLEX prices however, as I can recall the prices have fluctuated madly since I started playing; though usually not above 500 million ISK for long. Some of that is dependent on ISK being readily available for a short period, as well as PLEX to ISK conversions being used to get ahead in the game increasing supply when it spikes.
Low supply will happen when it's not worth making that conversion, and this will result in an upward trend to prices until it reaches a point where that becomes practical again. That mark is typically around 390-450 million ISK. Obviously we've passed that mark recently and stayed up there; but there are also less subscribers now than previously. I think a lot of the subscribers that went, were either the result of a poor economy, or a combined result of that and bittervets who subbed with PLEX off the market and/or supplied it.
Only CCP knows for sure. I know I don't convert PLEX, even at these rates, because I just can't afford it. There was a time when I did, to help pay for expansion of my old Corp. Not anymore. I got 37 hours over the last 2 weeks, and have to pay rent at about 95% of that cheque. Frankly, I coudn't if I wanted to, and even if it was at or around a Billion ISK per PLEX wouldn't. Also, I don't have anything to support but myself now, and that Corp was surviving quite well and independent of any sort of ISK injections last I saw. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6416
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Posted - 2012.01.22 22:02:00 -
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Skydell wrote:Jenny Cameron wrote:Wot I Think wrote:Enter Incursions, 2b ISK per pilot per 24 hours if allowed to run unmolested and in highsec that is always allowed. The nullsec froob either quits eve or becomes a subber. Mostly they just quit. Post Incursion Null is a vacuum, if you can avoid the roaming hostiles you can earn 50 to 60m an hour ratting if you get a faction mod or two. But only an idiot would remain. Highsec incursions draw 130m+ an hour with no roaming gangs or dependance on drops. I thought EVE was about having fun, not making ISK? Feel free to have fun being broke in New Eden. I am a multi-billionaire and have been for a while now, and I've around 65 million skill points on this character alone. My primary joy in EVE is flying Rifters that are free for me to take from the corp hangar and lose as often as I want. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Vallek Arkonnis
Viziam Amarr Empire
97
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Posted - 2012.01.22 22:02:00 -
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B DeLeon wrote:That's where the problem is. In 0.0 with a t1 bs you can get ~30-40mill/hour by ratting or running anomalies. With a pimp ship you can get 40-100 mill/hour. Similar reward but so much higher risk. There are the sov bills, upgrade costs, fuel costs (to resupply assets) and you have to deal with roaming gangs/afk cloakers etc and you have to participate in huge fights all the time to defend the territory wich is fun and the main reason why people lives in null but they spend the money what they earn one way or another.
You're comparing apples and oranges; hisec group PvE vs. nullsec solo PvE. The risk involved in nullsec solo PvE is offset by the convenience in that you can go anytime you want. Whereas, if you've tried hisec Incursions, you could be stuck in the channel spamming for a fleet for a small portion of forever. There's good money, sure, but only after you finally get a fleet.
Alternatively, you can get a fleet of friends together to remove the long waiting time. But at that point, why not go out and do nullsec Incursions as the risk has been lowered due to simply having a fleet?
Quote:In the meantime norisk highsec incursion runners are grinding out insane amount of money srcewing up the plex prices forcing all the EvE players who aren't participating in incursion grindfleets to grind more for their gametime.
Boo-hoo? Sounds a lot like you want CCP to alter game mechanics so your favorite EVE activity pays for your sub. Is the guy who ships spins all day entitled to a free sub too?
Why shouldn't group PvE be more profitable than solo PvE? Nothing is stopping the former nullbears from doing nullsec Incursions; the deterrence is the risk created by players themselves, not an imbalance of game mechanics. And asking CCP to alter balance because nullsec incursions runners are afraid of getting ganked sounds just like the hisec mission runner asking the same when he gets suicide ganked. Hisec group PvE pays more than hisec solo PvE. The same as nullsec group PvE pays more than nullsec solo PvE.
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
714
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Posted - 2012.01.22 22:12:00 -
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Yeah.. plex is the bane of EVE Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
714
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Posted - 2012.01.22 22:18:00 -
[49] - Quote
Also, like bricks have proved recently, its fun to make them squeal. =) Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
236
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Posted - 2012.01.22 22:18:00 -
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Vallek Arkonnis wrote:
You're comparing apples and oranges; hisec group PvE vs. nullsec solo PvE. The risk involved in nullsec solo PvE is offset by the convenience in that you can go anytime you want. Whereas, if you've tried hisec Incursions, you could be stuck in the channel spamming for a fleet for a small portion of forever. There's good money, sure, but only after you finally get a fleet.
lol wut |
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Borascus
Hole Diggers
25
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Posted - 2012.01.22 22:21:00 -
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Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field - ~20 billion isk? Only available in Guristas Space? Guristas Space is Null-sec?
Incursion - group of 5-10 people playing together - networking opportunities? - liklihood of a cohesive group forming long-term in-game contacts? liklihood of developing corp relations or merging corps?
The point i'm trying to make is: Null-sec is for excitement, Incursions are for steady isk gain and the likely outcome of making new contacts to ehance the MMO feel.
50/50
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
714
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Posted - 2012.01.22 22:21:00 -
[52] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Vallek Arkonnis wrote:
You're comparing apples and oranges; hisec group PvE vs. nullsec solo PvE. The risk involved in nullsec solo PvE is offset by the convenience in that you can go anytime you want. Whereas, if you've tried hisec Incursions, you could be stuck in the channel spamming for a fleet for a small portion of forever. There's good money, sure, but only after you finally get a fleet.
lol wut
I thought the same thing, but i thought it to be rude to say it...
Solo null-sec PVE, lol. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
236
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Posted - 2012.01.22 22:22:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Vallek Arkonnis wrote:
You're comparing apples and oranges; hisec group PvE vs. nullsec solo PvE. The risk involved in nullsec solo PvE is offset by the convenience in that you can go anytime you want. Whereas, if you've tried hisec Incursions, you could be stuck in the channel spamming for a fleet for a small portion of forever. There's good money, sure, but only after you finally get a fleet.
lol wut I thought the same thing, but i thought it to be rude to say it... Solo null-sec PVE, lol. just undock my paladin in my npc corp in syndicate and start ratting belts feels good man |
Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.01.22 22:30:00 -
[54] - Quote
Jorn Isu wrote: This is similar to how cops defend accusations of abuses of power with "I don't do it, none of my friends do it, therefore it doesn't exist!" By willingly coexisting with bots (My understanding is that most major null alliances have "do not report" rules, at least with regards to their own bots, and possibly "do not report" NAPs), you are complicit in the activity.
Also, forgive the dramatic comparison, I'm not trying to equate botting in a game with beating people up because they looked at you funny :)
Hum last time I was out in Null there was no don't shoot the bots rule. The problem was that by the time you loaded grid at the gate the bot was already on its way to safe spot to cloak/logged off. I suppose things could have changed over the last couple of years but the real reason nobody kills bots is that they can't catch them. The only time I remember being told not to shoot a bot was low sec hauler bots around a system we were staging in to invade somebody (think it was -A-). Leadership decided that they didn't want to have to deal with the mercs the botters would hire if we started ganking haulers.
That said, I've also known a bunch of current and former alliance leaders and am pretty sure the leadership of a few alliances that are now long gone were getting $$$ to allow bots. The groups in question pretty much got run out of 0.0.
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Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2012.01.22 22:36:00 -
[55] - Quote
Jas Dor wrote: Huh, GTC was selling for something like 750m/60 day two years ago. Current prices are around 880m/60day. That's 130m increase in two years which includes the introduction of Plex as a traded commodity.
Sorry not even close to 750 Million. My logs from 2 years ago:
07 Feb 2010 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX MY MAIN 500,000,000.00 Sold 07 Feb 2010 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX MY MAIN 500,000,000.00 Sold 22 Jan 2010 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX MY MAIN 510,000,000.00 Sold 13 Jan 2010 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX MY MAIN 500,000,000.00 Sold 13 Jan 2010 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX MY MAIN 500,000,000.00 Sold 25 Dec 2009 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX MY MAIN 510,000,000.00 Sold 25 Dec 2009 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX MY MAIN 510,000,000.00 Sold 12 Dec 2009 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX MY MAIN 535,000,000.00 Sold 12 Dec 2009 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX MY MAIN 540,000,000.00 Sold 27 Nov 2009 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX MY MAIN 550,000,000.00 Sold 21 Nov 2009 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX MY MAIN 525,000,000.00 Sold 01 Nov 2009 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX MY MAIN 550,000,000.00 Sold 07 Oct 2009 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX MY MAIN 575,000,000.00 Sold 06 Oct 2009 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX MY MAIN 580,000,000.00 Sold 27 Sep 2009 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX MY MAIN 530,000,000.00 Sold
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Vallek Arkonnis
Viziam Amarr Empire
97
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Posted - 2012.01.23 05:49:00 -
[56] - Quote
Renan Ruivo wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Vallek Arkonnis wrote:
You're comparing apples and oranges; hisec group PvE vs. nullsec solo PvE. The risk involved in nullsec solo PvE is offset by the convenience in that you can go anytime you want. Whereas, if you've tried hisec Incursions, you could be stuck in the channel spamming for a fleet for a small portion of forever. There's good money, sure, but only after you finally get a fleet.
lol wut I thought the same thing, but i thought it to be rude to say it... Solo null-sec PVE, lol.
Wow, thought you guys would be smarter than this.
Anomalies = solo Ratting = solo Incursions = fleet
solo content =/= group content
This is an mmo. The rewards for solo play should never be greater than group play. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4505
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Posted - 2012.01.23 07:34:00 -
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Jas Dor wrote: The real isk faucet driving Plex prices isn't incursions. It's null sec PI.
GǪexcept that PI is not an ISK faucet. Highsec PI is an ISK sink, though.
Quote:Oh and the current Plex market in Jita runs about 1.2 trillion a day. Just plexes. Just in Jita. 1.38 Trillion a day is a drop in the bucket to the EvE economy. GǪexcept that those trades do not add any ISK (quite the opposite), but rather move it around. A single source adding as much ISK as that large trade item rather shows the opposite: that it is a significant injection of ISK into the economy. In addition, if that number is accurate, it far outpaces all other faucets, which would be even mor worrisome when we consider how few players are needed to generate it. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Nova Fox
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Posted - 2012.01.23 07:46:00 -
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I say this is pertty shallow argument.
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Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.23 07:49:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Jas Dor wrote: The real isk faucet driving Plex prices isn't incursions. It's null sec PI.
GǪexcept that PI is not an ISK faucet. Highsec PI is an ISK sink, though. Quote:Oh and the current Plex market in Jita runs about 1.2 trillion a day. Just plexes. Just in Jita. 1.38 Trillion a day is a drop in the bucket to the EvE economy. GǪexcept that those trades do not add any ISK (quite the opposite), but rather move it around. A single source adding as much ISK as that large trade item rather shows the opposite: that it is a significant injection of ISK into the economy. In addition, if that number is accurate, it far outpaces all other faucets, which would be even mor worrisome when we consider how few players are needed to generate it.
Assuming you have linked the first starement about incurions who have "fewer players" in the second statement that this is the troubleseome faucet you are making claims about.
Do you have any figures to demonstrate that of all the faucets in the game incurions are the main contributor? Especially when you could consider that bounties globally from the game could be considerably more than incurions.
And have you considered that ISK movement in the market can equally change prices without the aspect of ISK injection into the whole economy.
Please provide sufficient evidence to support these claims.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2012.01.23 07:58:00 -
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Crystal Liche wrote:
Its a GAME, people do what the like, that is all.
Since it's a GAME and people do what they like, they won't have an issue if incursions netted 40M per hour right? |
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