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Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.10.26 00:36:00 - [181] Edited by: Matalino on 26/10/2007 00:41:44 I just noticed that two people did not follow the instructions to send the ISK to the corp. Instead they sent it to my character. Their ISK has now been returned as well. Looking at the transaction ID's for those two transfers, one of those two would have appeared as the first order had he sent it to the correct location. It is important to follow instructions. All ISK for share purchases will always need to be sent to the corp [DATAC] Datacore Harvesting. I had hoped that the one slip up in the previous batch would have cleared that up. Appearently not. Hopefully the knowledge that this time someone lost out on a significant (would have been 33% of the shares) purchase because he did not follow instructions will serve as a better warning. ************************** Datacore Harvesting IPO
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.10.30 02:59:00 - [182] The vote to expand has concluded. The result was in favor of expansion, so that plan will proceed. I hope to post the finalized details of the proposed financing in two days. ************************** Datacore Harvesting IPO
Surius	Posted - 2007.11.01 16:24:00 - [183] How do you handle the exhausting amount of time it requires to get from agent to agent when you do the collecting of the datacores? I have my own three characters collecting datacores and just between them it can take upwards of 4 hours to collect them all even with warp to zero.
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.11.01 16:37:00 - [184] Originally by: Surius How do you handle the exhausting amount of time it requires to get from agent to agent when you do the collecting of the datacores? I have my own three characters collecting datacores and just between them it can take upwards of 4 hours to collect them all even with warp to zero. I have a special little trick in mind, but I would rather not give away all of my secrets. If you think about it for a little while, you should be able to figure out how to jump across the galaxy instantly. ************************** Datacore Harvesting IPO
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.11.06 16:50:00 - [185] The prospectus, including the Q&A section, has been updated to reflect the recent votes that have passed. I have removed one of the questions from the Q&A section as I believe that it is no longer relevant. Originally by: Matalino Sounds like you have planned carefully for a worst-case scenario. What happens if everything works out better than expected? Depending on how well things go, I will talk with the Board and see how we can continue to expand and/or offer higher returns to investors. However, keep in mind that I make no promises at this time that higher returns will be available. I will simply work with the Board to form the best business plan for everyone. We have made those arrangements, and I see no reason to make any further changes, as such this item has been removed from the original Q&A. The course is set, and I do not expect to have any issues to deal with in the near future. The next expected item of business will most likely be a stock split sometime in March or April. In the very likely event that there is no need to sell all of the shares, I will propose the creation of shares to complete a stock split so that the investment of shareholders is not diluted by the needless sale of shares. However that is still several months in the future. Now back to daily operations... ************************** Datacore Harvesting IPO
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.11.06 16:53:00 - [186] As I have said, this coming batch of shares is to be offered in the form of an auction. The easiest way that I could think to operate that auction is in the form of a price count down. So here is how it will work: I will start at a set price, each day I will lower that price by one notch. Anyone who wishes to purchase shares just needs to send the ISK to Datacore Harvesting, just like with the previous batches. Effective today, you can by shares for 160,103.22 ISK each. However, by purchasing at that price you will be, in effect, giving up the base 4% bi-weekly return that you should be earning between now and March 22. At that price, your first profit on the investment will be the 4% return earned with the April 5 dividend. Do I seriously expect people to give up 5 months of interest to purchase at that price? No, of course not, I expect them to wait until the price drops to something more reasonable. Each person will have their own opinion on what that will be. Those who are willing to give up more of their returns will be able to secure shares for themselves before those who want to ensure that they get their full return. If you wait on your purchase until Nov 8, the price will drop to 153,945.41 per share, which is the reference share price for Mar 8. The share price will continue drop until I have sold enough shares to raise the capital that I need for the next couple of weeks. Once that captial has been raise, the auction will be halted and a new auction following this pattern started to raise the ISK needed for the following few weeks. The full price count down will proceed as follows: Nov 07: 160,103.22 Nov 08: 153,945.41 Nov 09: 148,024.43 Nov 10: 142,331.18 Nov 11: 136,856.91 Nov 12: 131,593.18 Nov 13: 126,531.90 Nov 14: 121,665.29 Nov 15: 116,985.86 Nov 16: 112,486.40 The price change will go into effect at 00:00 each day, so simply look at the date in-game to see which price you will pay. The shares will be sold on a first-come first-served basis until 7.8 billion in shares have been sold. I will update this thread with the details of how the auction is proceeding. I have created a thread in the Sell Orders forum regarding the sales of these shares. If you have any questions related to the sale of shares, please post in that thread. This thread is reserved for discussion of the business itself. ************************** Datacore Harvesting IPO
FastLearner Fury Holdings Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.11.06 17:41:00 - [187] You may wish to update the link in your post - it currently points to the Sales forum, not to your actual thread. correct url is: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=630738
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.11.06 17:48:00 - [188] Originally by: FastLearner You may wish to update the link in your post - it currently points to the Sales forum, not to your actual thread. correct url is: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=630738 Thanks, all fixed now. ************************** Datacore Harvesting IPO
Soren PAK	Posted - 2007.11.07 01:39:00 - [189] Originally by: Matalino The shares will be sold on a first-come first-served basis until 7.8 billion in shares have been sold. So if no shares sell till the 16th, then more shares will be sold then if they're all sold on the 7th? Should you have used a set amount of shares instead of isk? ☠-->-->--
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.11.07 03:53:00 - [190] Originally by: Soren So if no shares sell till the 16th, then more shares will be sold then if they're all sold on the 7th? Correct, the later the shares are bought the more that will be sold, the higher the price paid for each share the few share that will be sold. Originally by: Soren Should you have used a set amount of shares instead of isk? The objective is to raise a set amount of ISK. I don't need more than that so I have no reason to sell more shares than is needed to raise that amount of ISK. Selling few shares is good for me and for existing investors. It benifits me because I will have less debt and will be able to reach the target return sooner. It is better fo existing investors because the fewer shares that are sold the sooner the target returns will be met and the more valuable their shares will be when the bonus dividends begin. It is in the interest of new investors to pay as little a possible and get as many shares as possible. However, they will be in competition with each other as some might be willing to pay more in order to secure the shares, where as those who wait until the price is lower might find that the shares have sold out. ************************** Datacore Harvesting IPO
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.07 04:49:00 - [191] An interesting way of doing it, leaving it up to personal evaluation on how early they're willing to jump on the boat, rather than a mad dash within 40 seconds of a certain time. I like the idea.
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.11.07 05:14:00 - [192] Originally by: Minerva Vulcan An interesting way of doing it, leaving it up to personal evaluation on how early they're willing to jump on the boat, rather than a mad dash within 40 seconds of a certain time. I like the idea. Thank you. I think that this system pulls in the best of both worlds. The accounting is simple just like the original: I just download the wallet from the API and see who gets what. It also lessens the mad dash. While the mad dash can still exist where people all want to jump in when the press drops to a level where more than one person wants to buy out the lot, it is far less intense as more likely people will by in at different intervals depending on their own evaluation of the stocks value. The other interesting factor, is that with the bonus dividends, the higher the price paid for a share, the few shares that will be issued, the greater the long term returns on each share. This secondary effect is too complex for me to work out in great detail to figure out exactly how much it can be worth paying for a share. but basicly the higher Datacore prices remain, the more each share is worth. Because it is high risk investment, and therefore impossible to project with suffiecent certainty, I will continue to recommend that people follow the original share price schedule. However, it is certainly possible to get a worth while return even on higher priced shares if Datacore prices remain strong. ************************** Datacore Harvesting IPO
Dei Amarr Khanid Aerospace Group Khanid Provincial Authority	Posted - 2007.11.07 11:19:00 - [193] Are you going to update anything here to say how much isk is left to be raised, or do we have to guess? --- The true master paralyses his opponent, leaving him vulnerable to attack
F90OEX	Posted - 2007.11.07 13:07:00 - [194] I'm interested, but I don't I will be playing EVE in 2009 lol Actually its the 1st IPO I have had any real interest investing a few bil isk into and seeing what happens. Kinda like going to vegas ..
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.11.07 15:14:00 - [195] Originally by: Dei Are you going to update anything here to say how much isk is left to be raised, or do we have to guess? I will post updates in the sales thread. As of last night there was nothing to say. As I had expected people are waiting for the price to drop. As of this morning there is only one order. However, it appears that the person placing that order did not read the instructions as the comment on his transaction reads, "1250 Shares @ 104,000.00". No shares will be sold at that price, so I need to contact him in game to find out if he wants his ISK back or if he wants to pay 160,103.22 per share. Do keep an eye in the sales thread for updates as that is where I will post sales related updates. ************************** Datacore Harvesting IPO
Atherin Gaius Caldari Domini Umbrus VENOM Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.07 17:06:00 - [196] Originally by: Matalino This secondary effect is too complex for me to work out in great detail to figure out exactly how much it can be worth paying for a share. but basicly the higher Datacore prices remain, the more each share is worth. Well that is convienent...you can't tell someone how much to expect in profit. I think you are playing too many games to get people to invest. Of course the more complex and complicated you make it to know the expected return, the easier for you to scam your investors.... Will be interesting to see who makes the first OP about not getting a dividend next spring....
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.11.07 17:23:00 - [197] Edited by: Matalino on 07/11/2007 17:24:32 Originally by: Atherin Gaius Originally by: Matalino This secondary effect is too complex for me to work out in great detail to figure out exactly how much it can be worth paying for a share. but basicly the higher Datacore prices remain, the more each share is worth. Well that is convienent...you can't tell someone how much to expect in profit. I think you are playing too many games to get people to invest. Of course the more complex and complicated you make it to know the expected return, the easier for you to scam your investors.... Will be interesting to see who makes the first OP about not getting a dividend next spring.... Sure, I can tell you how much profit you can expect. All I need to know is: 1) Price of GTC's and how it will change each week between now and July 2009 2) Datacore prices and how they will change each week between now and July 2009 3) How many shares people are willing to buy and how much they will pay for those shares between now and April 2008 If you can provide me with all of that information I would be happy to forecast profits. When I said that it was too complex to forecast, it was because each of those factors is variable and has a chaotic* effect on the profits that will be available. There is no need to wear a tin-foil hat, I am not messing with peoples heads. I am simply stating things as I see them. Profits are dependant on how high Datacore prices will be and how low GTC prices stay. The number of shares that I sell has no effect on revenues. However, if there are fewer shares splitting those profits, each share will get more profits. Simple enough in princple, but to forecast exactly how much those profits will be, I would need to know all of the above information as a small difference in those assumptions will drasticly effect the results. what I ment by chaotic, is that a small change early on can have a huge effect on later profits. ************************* Datacore Harvesting IPO
Havok Pierce Gallente D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:37:00 - [198] Pass me 1250 shares, isk sent. Originally by: CCP Wrangler There's a Community petition category??
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:47:00 - [199] Originally by: Havok Pierce Pass me 1250 shares, isk sent. Have you read the instructions in the sales thread? You have only sent enough ISK to purchase 811 shares. The current price is 160,103.22 ISK per share. Currently I am at work so I am unable to log in to the game right now. I verified your transaction through the API. I will process your order when I get home. If you wish to purchase the shares at a lower price, I can return the ISK so that you can resend it on the proper date. However, I will not be selling shares at 104,000 ISK. That price has passed. The lowest possible price at this point is 112,486.40 ISK per share, but I would be suprised if the shares have not sold out before that price is reached. ************************** Datacore Harvesting IPO
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.07 21:10:00 - [200] Originally by: Atherin Gaius Originally by: Matalino This secondary effect is too complex for me to work out in great detail to figure out exactly how much it can be worth paying for a share. but basicly the higher Datacore prices remain, the more each share is worth. Well that is convienent...you can't tell someone how much to expect in profit. I think you are playing too many games to get people to invest. Of course the more complex and complicated you make it to know the expected return, the easier for you to scam your investors.... Will be interesting to see who makes the first OP about not getting a dividend next spring.... If you don't like it, then don't invest. I believe that there will be plenty of others who will be more than happy to have more shares. Just because you can't understand something, doesn't mean it's being intentionally made to complicated in an attempt to scam the EVE community. I myself much doubt that it's a scam, I've invested over half a billion ISK into it and contemplating more, though probably by the time I get over whether or not I want to it will be all sold out, but that's ok too. And to be honest, if it did end up being a scam, I'd say he's put in the work and effort to effectively engineer a scam based on a really good legitimate plan, so I'd feel like he earned it, no hards about it. You being simple does not = something a scam.
Atherin Gaius Caldari Domini Umbrus VENOM Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.07 23:04:00 - [201] I understand it quite fine. My degree is in business finance and I own two RW businesses and I won't be investing. The IPO/BOND/UNSECURED LOAN (whatever you want to call it) has changed multiple times since it came out. He post the Investement Opportunity on the forums with a plan for graduated share offerings with a increasing cost and decreasing risk format, people start reserving shares at the initial price and then we find out that the initial share were all purchased pre launch. I have no problem that the inital offering was pre purchased by one person, i have a problem that it wasn't communicated initialy. Then the scope of the program doubles in size. Next they change the risk variables and icrease the risk. (voted on by the share holders, creditors would be a better term though) Now he changes the way shares are purchased. I have nothing against Matalino, in fact I have money invested in his previous venture Ki-Tech. But I don't like how this opportunity is structured...and the frequency of change. I currently have 3mil privatly invested in one of my businesses and I know that if I made changes like this my investors would be a little nervous and I would be getting calls from them. I realize that this is virtual currency, but why shouldn't I look at this like I would business in the real world and be able to voice my concerns? I worked hard (or as hard as you can in a computer game) for my ISK and it is much easier for someone to walk off with it here than it is in the RW. So i will continue to be a sceptic of business opportunities no matter what you call me. Matalino answered my concerns, like he has done to all my posts, which is what I wanted him to do, unlike you that just resorts to calling me simple.
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.11.07 23:43:00 - [202] Edited by: Matalino on 07/11/2007 23:43:23 Originally by: Atherin Gaius Then the scope of the program doubles in size. The original business plan actually called for this size. It was halved in size prior to release under Ricdic recommendation. As I am still new to the market and he was not certain if the larger operation would be supported. Demand has indicated that people would like a larger opportunity to invest, so the project was returned to its original size. Originally by: Atherin Gaius Next they change the risk variables and icrease the risk. (voted on by the share holders, creditors would be a better term though) This change was suggested by potential investors, then driven may actual investors. Had they not requested this change, I would not have proposed it. Even when making the proposal, I made a significant effort to keep as much of the original plan as unchanged as possible. This change was approved by shareholders without any opposition. Originally by: Atherin Gaius Now he changes the way shares are purchased. There has been a small change here. I am now allowing people to pay more than the recommended share price if they choose to do so. This will break up the rush to purchase shares while increasing the potential returns for existing investors. If future investors refuse to pay more than the recommended share price, then there is no effective change to the share distribution. Originally by: Atherin Gaius But I don't like how this opportunity is structured...and the frequency of change. I am sorry to hear that you do not like the structure of this offering. However, because I too dislike change, I will not be concidering any other changes to the structure of this offering. I have already surpassed myown tolerence for change. Originally by: Atherin Gaius Matalino answered my concerns, like he has done to all my posts. I try to focus on solutions rather than name calling, as I find that keeps things moving in a possitive direction. I hope that this helps to further resolve any concerns that you might have. If there is anything that I can do to further assist you in evaluating this venture, feel free to contact me in-game. If you still choose not to invest, I will respect that decision. ************************** Datacore Harvesting IPO
Sikozu Prioris Suns Of Korhal	Posted - 2007.11.08 00:19:00 - [203] Matalino's approach to the sale of shares for this batch is genious. I am an investor in both his IPO's and luckily for me I seem to online the same kinda of times as him so I got shares before they all sold out. He judged by the rush to buy his shares that a more fair system was needed for those people not around when the sale went live, so to speak, and imo he has found the perfect solution. "A enemy fleet emerges from the shadows" - What shadows!?! We're in ****ing space for gods sake
Havok Pierce Gallente D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.08 02:24:00 - [204] Edited by: Havok Pierce on 08/11/2007 02:24:57 Originally by: Matalino Edited by: Matalino on 08/11/2007 00:41:30 Originally by: Havok Pierce Pass me 1250 shares, isk sent. Have you read the instructions in the sales thread? You have only sent enough ISK to purchase 811 shares. The current price is 160,103.22 ISK per share. Currently I am at work so I am unable to log in to the game right now. I verified your transaction through the API. I will process your order when I get home. If you wish to purchase the shares at a lower price, I can return the ISK so that you can resend it on the proper date. However, I will not be selling shares at 104,000 ISK. That price has passed. The lowest possible price at this point is 112,486.40 ISK per share, but I would be suprised if the shares have not sold out before that price is reached. Update - I have gotten home from work, and have returned your ISK. I had prepared an Evemail explaining why I am not able to sell the shares for 104,000 ISK, however, due to your setting the CSPA fee to 1,000,000 ISK I was not able to send it. If you have any further questions regarding how the shares are priced, feel free to contact me in-game or on the forums. I am sorry for the inconvience, and do hope that you are still interested with investing. My apologies, I misread (like a complete noob, only read the discussion thread's opening post sets). And the CSPA fee is at 1m isk because, well, I'm damn tired of ISK seller spam. I am still interested in investing, and am perfectly happy with purchasing shares at the current price-point. EDIT: And I'll add the corp in question to my allowed list. Originally by: CCP Wrangler There's a Community petition category??
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.11.08 03:13:00 - [205] Originally by: Havok Pierce I am still interested in investing, and am perfectly happy with purchasing shares at the current price-point. In that case, wait until you think the price is right then jump in by sending the ISK just like before. At this point I really have no idea what price the shares will sell out at, so I can't really offer any further advice. However, I will update the sales thread as it progresses. Originally by: Havok Pierce And I'll add the corp in question to my allowed list. You just need to add this character (Matalino) to the allowed list as he will be my primary point of contact. ************************** Datacore Harvesting IPO
Matalino Gallente Datacore Harvesting	Posted - 2007.11.14 17:44:00 - [206] I have a few minutes of free time at work today, so I thought to take some time to provide an interim progress updated. The sale of shares continues at a modest pace. With the staggered pricing the panic rush to purchase has been effectively broken up, and I feel that all those who wish to invest have been given a fair chance to do so. There are still plenty of shares available in this batch. Unless there is a sudden spike in purchasing during the next 36 hours, there will most likely be shares available at the reference price effective Nov 16. Purchasing at the reference price will provide the full 4% bi-weekly return on your investment. The first batch of characters is coming along nicely. By the end of the week I expect to have the first few characters begin collecting RP. While it will only be approx 5% of our target volumes, with datacore prices where they are, we would already be at 15% of our target revenues. Considering that the original budget did not assume any income until March, even this small amount puts us well above our targets. I have also been watching the GTC market. There has been a notable price increase over the past month. Prices of 200-220M appear to be the norm. Because this is approaching the originally defined price of 240M, I felt it prudent to run some forecasts of the corp's requirements should GTC prices exceed that mark. Just as I had stated that with GTC/DC prices at 240M/600K we could safely meet our target return of 4% bi-weekly interest along with complete repayment of the initial investment by July 2009, we will still be able to meet that target return with GTC/DC prices of 300M/650K. Lest people be concerned that I am still making changes, I am not changing any aspect of the business by making this statement. I am simply providing investors with an additional frame of reference, so that they can make informed decisions. ************************** Datacore Harvesting IPO
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.14 18:08:00 - [207] Dunno how you're going to manage to get all those standings without going insane. I've been going nuts just trying to get standings up for 2 alts. That's commitment to do it with all those characters. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Matalino Gallente Datacore Harvesting	Posted - 2007.11.14 18:46:00 - [208] Originally by: Minerva Vulcan Dunno how you're going to manage to get all those standings without going insane. I've been going nuts just trying to get standings up for 2 alts. That's commitment to do it with all those characters. That is why I think that this IPO will be such a success. Nobody else is willing to put in the effort to get the standings needed. By the time enough people have ramped up the standings to compete with me, I hope to have repaid my investors. ************************** Datacore Harvesting IPO
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.14 18:50:00 - [209] Originally by: Matalino Originally by: Minerva Vulcan Dunno how you're going to manage to get all those standings without going insane. I've been going nuts just trying to get standings up for 2 alts. That's commitment to do it with all those characters. That is why I think that this IPO will be such a success. Nobody else is willing to put in the effort to get the standings needed. By the time enough people have ramped up the standings to compete with me, I hope to have repaid my investors. And the reason I'm thinking of investing more. ;) _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Jaarlax Ratty Corp PLC Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2007.11.14 19:08:00 - [210] isk for 15000 shares at todays price sent

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