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Jita TradeAlt	Posted - 2007.10.08 23:55:00 - [1] Personally I really, really do not enjoy spending hours hitting scan to find what's basically mission sites and I've yet to find anyone that actually enjoys it. Honestly though, I really hate it the most since i discourages pvp even more in a game that badly needs more areas where pvp should be a significant component to the gameplay. Anyone here actually enjoy exploration apart from as a diversion from ratting/missions once in a while?
Jita TradeAlt	Posted - 2007.10.08 23:55:00 - [2] Personally I really, really do not enjoy spending hours hitting scan to find what's basically mission sites and I've yet to find anyone that actually enjoys it. Honestly though, I really hate it the most since i discourages pvp even more in a game that badly needs more areas where pvp should be a significant component to the gameplay. Anyone here actually enjoy exploration apart from as a diversion from ratting/missions once in a while?
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.08 23:58:00 - [3] This might be a crazy, out of the blue radical idea, but have you considered.... doing something else? Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking I owned someone on forums!!!
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.08 23:58:00 - [4] This might be a crazy, out of the blue radical idea, but have you considered.... doing something else? Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking I owned someone on forums!!!
Alexis Machine Minmatar Ceraphite Technologies	Posted - 2007.10.08 23:59:00 - [5] I enjoy it.
Alexis Machine Minmatar Ceraphite Technologies	Posted - 2007.10.08 23:59:00 - [6] I enjoy it.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.09 00:00:00 - [7] I would rather see them do away with jita trade alts Originally by: Akita T No, it's a trap ! I can tell from some of the modules and from seeing quite a few traps in my time...
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.09 00:00:00 - [8] I would rather see them do away with jita trade alts Originally by: Akita T No, it's a trap ! I can tell from some of the modules and from seeing quite a few traps in my time...
I SoStoned	Posted - 2007.10.09 00:01:00 - [9] Future patches are slated to remove 'anomalies' into their own scan identity group and maintain all encounter scan grouptypes for all scanning rather than just the multispectral probe. I have also given up exploration due to the insane lengths of time to find anything. I am willing to accept one version of the current system - few first run results or insanely long scan times (145 seconds with top skills & rigs, or 97 seconds with a few billion worth of implants). One of these or the other is satisfactory, if annoying, but both and the inability to filter out useless 'encounter' sites makes exploration pointless IMO.
I SoStoned	Posted - 2007.10.09 00:01:00 - [10] Future patches are slated to remove 'anomalies' into their own scan identity group and maintain all encounter scan grouptypes for all scanning rather than just the multispectral probe. I have also given up exploration due to the insane lengths of time to find anything. I am willing to accept one version of the current system - few first run results or insanely long scan times (145 seconds with top skills & rigs, or 97 seconds with a few billion worth of implants). One of these or the other is satisfactory, if annoying, but both and the inability to filter out useless 'encounter' sites makes exploration pointless IMO.
Jita TradeAlt	Posted - 2007.10.09 00:09:00 - [11] Originally by: Alexis Machine I enjoy it. you enjoy hitting the scan button every 3-4 mins for a couple hours? and this as your only activity in a full screen'ed eve, not doing anything else but exploration?
Jita TradeAlt	Posted - 2007.10.09 00:09:00 - [12] Originally by: Alexis Machine I enjoy it. you enjoy hitting the scan button every 3-4 mins for a couple hours? and this as your only activity in a full screen'ed eve, not doing anything else but exploration?
Jimer Lins Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.09 00:11:00 - [13] Originally by: Jita TradeAlt Personally I really, really do not enjoy spending hours hitting scan to find what's basically mission sites and I've yet to find anyone that actually enjoys it. Honestly though, I really hate it the most since i discourages pvp even more in a game that badly needs more areas where pvp should be a significant component to the gameplay. Anyone here actually enjoy exploration apart from as a diversion from ratting/missions once in a while? I enjoy it immensely, it's about the only thing I do. Why do it if you don't enjoy it? Go do something else. I fail to see how it discourages PVP. -- EVE Glossary Exploration Video
Mirirar Solstice Systems Development Concourse	Posted - 2007.10.09 00:11:00 - [14] Originally by: Jita TradeAlt Personally I really, really do not enjoy spending hours hitting scan So don't. Do something else, and we'll continue with it.
Jimer Lins Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.09 00:11:00 - [15] Originally by: Jita TradeAlt Personally I really, really do not enjoy spending hours hitting scan to find what's basically mission sites and I've yet to find anyone that actually enjoys it. Honestly though, I really hate it the most since i discourages pvp even more in a game that badly needs more areas where pvp should be a significant component to the gameplay. Anyone here actually enjoy exploration apart from as a diversion from ratting/missions once in a while? I enjoy it immensely, it's about the only thing I do. Why do it if you don't enjoy it? Go do something else. I fail to see how it discourages PVP. -- EVE Glossary Exploration Video
Mirirar Solstice Systems Development Concourse	Posted - 2007.10.09 00:11:00 - [16] Originally by: Jita TradeAlt Personally I really, really do not enjoy spending hours hitting scan So don't. Do something else, and we'll continue with it.
Jita TradeAlt	Posted - 2007.10.09 00:13:00 - [17] Originally by: Jimer Lins Originally by: Jita TradeAlt Personally I really, really do not enjoy spending hours hitting scan to find what's basically mission sites and I've yet to find anyone that actually enjoys it. Honestly though, I really hate it the most since i discourages pvp even more in a game that badly needs more areas where pvp should be a significant component to the gameplay. Anyone here actually enjoy exploration apart from as a diversion from ratting/missions once in a while? I enjoy it immensely, it's about the only thing I do. Why do it if you don't enjoy it? Go do something else. I fail to see how it discourages PVP. locking peolpe up in incredibly hard to find deadspace pockets that no solo pvp'er is ever going to be able to scan down on his own? you don't see how that discourages pvp? Have you ever been killed in an exploration plex by a player? Thought so.
Jita TradeAlt	Posted - 2007.10.09 00:13:00 - [18] Originally by: Jimer Lins Originally by: Jita TradeAlt Personally I really, really do not enjoy spending hours hitting scan to find what's basically mission sites and I've yet to find anyone that actually enjoys it. Honestly though, I really hate it the most since i discourages pvp even more in a game that badly needs more areas where pvp should be a significant component to the gameplay. Anyone here actually enjoy exploration apart from as a diversion from ratting/missions once in a while? I enjoy it immensely, it's about the only thing I do. Why do it if you don't enjoy it? Go do something else. I fail to see how it discourages PVP. locking peolpe up in incredibly hard to find deadspace pockets that no solo pvp'er is ever going to be able to scan down on his own? you don't see how that discourages pvp? Have you ever been killed in an exploration plex by a player? Thought so.
Jimer Lins Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.09 00:16:00 - [19] Originally by: Jita TradeAlt Originally by: Jimer Lins Originally by: Jita TradeAlt Personally I really, really do not enjoy spending hours hitting scan to find what's basically mission sites and I've yet to find anyone that actually enjoys it. Honestly though, I really hate it the most since i discourages pvp even more in a game that badly needs more areas where pvp should be a significant component to the gameplay. Anyone here actually enjoy exploration apart from as a diversion from ratting/missions once in a while? I enjoy it immensely, it's about the only thing I do. Why do it if you don't enjoy it? Go do something else. I fail to see how it discourages PVP. locking peolpe up in incredibly hard to find deadspace pockets that no solo pvp'er is ever going to be able to scan down on his own? you don't see how that discourages pvp? Have you ever been killed in an exploration plex by a player? Thought so. Plenty of people scan down mission runners. The info on how to do it isn't hard to find. If you want easy targets, go for the mining plexes in lowsec. They're not deadspace and miners tend not to be able to put up a fight. -- EVE Glossary Exploration Video
Jita TradeAlt	Posted - 2007.10.09 00:22:00 - [20] Originally by: Jimer Lins Originally by: Jita TradeAlt Originally by: Jimer Lins Originally by: Jita TradeAlt Personally I really, really do not enjoy spending hours hitting scan to find what's basically mission sites and I've yet to find anyone that actually enjoys it. Honestly though, I really hate it the most since i discourages pvp even more in a game that badly needs more areas where pvp should be a significant component to the gameplay. Anyone here actually enjoy exploration apart from as a diversion from ratting/missions once in a while? I enjoy it immensely, it's about the only thing I do. Why do it if you don't enjoy it? Go do something else. I fail to see how it discourages PVP. locking peolpe up in incredibly hard to find deadspace pockets that no solo pvp'er is ever going to be able to scan down on his own? you don't see how that discourages pvp? Have you ever been killed in an exploration plex by a player? Thought so. Plenty of people scan down mission runners. The info on how to do it isn't hard to find. If you want easy targets, go for the mining plexes in lowsec. They're not deadspace and miners tend not to be able to put up a fight. i dont want easy targets, i want something worth killing. and why do people bother with mining exploration sites? there are more 0.0 belts of the best ores than you can count. killing mission runners usually takes a cov ops alt to do, everyone else in eve only takes a quick directional scan to kill. if there were stats then i'd be like 70% killed on gates or in belts, 29,9% at pos, 0,1% in mission/exploration deadspaces.
Alexis Machine Minmatar Ceraphite Technologies	Posted - 2007.10.09 00:23:00 - [21] Originally by: Jita TradeAlt Originally by: Alexis Machine I enjoy it. you enjoy hitting the scan button every 3-4 mins for a couple hours? and this as your only activity in a full screen'ed eve, not doing anything else but exploration? Um.. yes.
Jita TradeAlt	Posted - 2007.10.09 00:24:00 - [22] Originally by: Alexis Machine Originally by: Jita TradeAlt Originally by: Alexis Machine I enjoy it. you enjoy hitting the scan button every 3-4 mins for a couple hours? and this as your only activity in a full screen'ed eve, not doing anything else but exploration? Um.. yes. I guess there are people that enjoy watching their life tick away just because some developers wanted a timesink in their game..
Alexis Machine Minmatar Ceraphite Technologies	Posted - 2007.10.09 00:27:00 - [23] Originally by: Jita TradeAlt Originally by: Alexis Machine Originally by: Jita TradeAlt Originally by: Alexis Machine I enjoy it. you enjoy hitting the scan button every 3-4 mins for a couple hours? and this as your only activity in a full screen'ed eve, not doing anything else but exploration? Um.. yes. I guess there are people that enjoy watching their life tick away just because some developers wanted a timesink in their game.. Well.. some people mine.
Jita TradeAlt	Posted - 2007.10.09 00:27:00 - [24] Originally by: Alexis Machine Originally by: Jita TradeAlt Originally by: Alexis Machine Originally by: Jita TradeAlt Originally by: Alexis Machine I enjoy it. you enjoy hitting the scan button every 3-4 mins for a couple hours? and this as your only activity in a full screen'ed eve, not doing anything else but exploration? Um.. yes. I guess there are people that enjoy watching their life tick away just because some developers wanted a timesink in their game.. Well.. some people mine. Hah, those are macros buddy.
Alexis Machine Minmatar Ceraphite Technologies	Posted - 2007.10.09 00:33:00 - [25] lol. perhaps. But rest assured there are hundreds of players that actively mine. And do exploration. Just because you, personally, aren't interested in certain aspects of the game doesn't mean other people aren't. So.. Instead of saying "hey, I don't like to do this, lets just delete it!" how about we find a way to compliment each others play styles?
I SoStoned	Posted - 2007.10.09 00:34:00 - [26] Originally by: Jita TradeAlt locking peolpe up in incredibly hard to find deadspace pockets that no solo pvp'er is ever going to be able to scan down on his own? you don't see how that discourages pvp? Have you ever been killed in an exploration plex by a player? Thought so. Yes, I have. I have also scanned down people in exploration sites. It's difficult, but if you know how to do it you can scan them down about as quickly as you might a mission runner, or someone safespotted in normal space as long as they are not vigilant watching their local scanner.
Sirial Soulfly	Posted - 2007.10.09 00:35:00 - [27] Friend of mine enjoys it very much, he loves scanning down stuff in enemy territory
Jita TradeAlt	Posted - 2007.10.09 00:37:00 - [28] So you guys prefer wasting 20 minutes to 3 hours on probing down sites, instead of having them with beacon and static like it used to be?
Jimer Lins Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.09 00:38:00 - [29] Originally by: Jita TradeAlt So you guys prefer wasting 20 minutes to 3 hours on probing down sites, instead of having them with beacon and static like it used to be? Yes. -- EVE Glossary Exploration Video
bldyannoyed Un4seen Development	Posted - 2007.10.09 00:41:00 - [30] FFS man. People are telling you they like exploration. Surely that puts an end to your argument?
Jita TradeAlt	Posted - 2007.10.09 00:45:00 - [31] Originally by: bldyannoyed FFS man. People are telling you they like exploration. Surely that puts an end to your argument? Yes, it does. I thought my point about wasting hours on hitting a button that said scan being awful gameplay was a bulletproof argument, however, i seem to have been proven wrong. Color me blown away.
Jita TradeAlt	Posted - 2007.10.09 00:46:00 - [32] Like my jaw is actually hanging. you people are insane.
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2007.10.09 00:47:00 - [33] Quote: Yes, it does. I thought my point about wasting hours on hitting a button that said scan being awful gameplay was a bulletproof argument, however, i seem to have been proven wrong. It's far from a bulletproof argument since: A) Hauling POS Fuel B) Gatecamping, or heck, even pack hunting C) Mining D) Mission running E) Jita Trading And any other professions I missed are also hours of endless button pressing, or even just sitting and waiting. Improve Market Competition!
Kelron Queldine Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.10.09 00:51:00 - [34] Using a PC is hours of endless button pressing. --------------------------- Signatures are for the weak.
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2007.10.09 00:54:00 - [35] Originally by: Kelron Queldine Using a PC is hours of endless button pressing. Thus the bulletproof-less-ness of the argument :) Improve Market Competition!
Jita TradeAlt	Posted - 2007.10.09 00:54:00 - [36] Originally by: Kylar Renpurs Quote: Yes, it does. I thought my point about wasting hours on hitting a button that said scan being awful gameplay was a bulletproof argument, however, i seem to have been proven wrong. It's far from a bulletproof argument since: A) Hauling POS Fuel B) Gatecamping, or heck, even pack hunting C) Mining D) Mission running E) Jita Trading And any other professions I missed are also hours of endless button pressing, or even just sitting and waiting. Mission running is at least a tiny bit varied, but I'll agree that the others are very boring things, and CCP agrees. Since they've made pos fueling a lot easier, they've cut down gatecamps with jump bridges everywhere, cut down mining by allowing macros and jita trading, well, that's at least a PVP activity.
Jimer Lins Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.09 00:55:00 - [37] Originally by: Jita TradeAlt Edited by: Jita TradeAlt on 09/10/2007 00:50:43 Like my jaw is actually hanging. you people are insane. edit, you are wasting time watching a timer counting down. read that sentence slowly. i just can't understand how people can find that enjoyable. Especially since exploration probes take FIVE times as long as normal probes, which are far, far more accurate and can pick up tiny pods from much, much greater distances, which just doesnt make sense. I mean you're probing down a massive military installation, but have to spend hours finding it, as opposed to probing down a shuttle which is smaller than any object in the complex, yet can be found in 20 seconds from 100 au away. Not everything in this game has to cater to those with the attention span of a chipmunk in a brightly lit room full of shiny things decorated with tinfoil. If you know what you're doing, you spend a lot less time watching the timer run down than you think anyway. I can nail most sites in 10-15 minutes. If it takes longer than that I either screwed up or it's a really good site. -- EVE Glossary Exploration Video
Jita TradeAlt	Posted - 2007.10.09 00:58:00 - [38] Originally by: Jimer Lins Originally by: Jita TradeAlt Edited by: Jita TradeAlt on 09/10/2007 00:50:43 Like my jaw is actually hanging. you people are insane. edit, you are wasting time watching a timer counting down. read that sentence slowly. i just can't understand how people can find that enjoyable. Especially since exploration probes take FIVE times as long as normal probes, which are far, far more accurate and can pick up tiny pods from much, much greater distances, which just doesnt make sense. I mean you're probing down a massive military installation, but have to spend hours finding it, as opposed to probing down a shuttle which is smaller than any object in the complex, yet can be found in 20 seconds from 100 au away. Not everything in this game has to cater to those with the attention span of a chipmunk in a brightly lit room full of shiny things decorated with tinfoil. If you know what you're doing, you spend a lot less time watching the timer run down than you think anyway. I can nail most sites in 10-15 minutes. If it takes longer than that I either screwed up or it's a really good site. I saw your video, high sec doesn't count. It never does.
Jimer Lins Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.09 01:03:00 - [39] Originally by: Jita TradeAlt I saw your video, high sec doesn't count. It never does. Says "Jita TradeAlt"? Anyway- The video was made in hisec, of course. Why bother making it in lowsec? It's not like the sec status makes a difference in how you find the thing. -- EVE Glossary Exploration Video
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2007.10.09 01:06:00 - [40] Quote: Mission running is at least a tiny bit varied, but I'll agree that the others are very boring things, and CCP agrees. Since they've made pos fueling a lot easier, they've cut down gatecamps with jump bridges everywhere, cut down mining by allowing macros and jita trading, well, that's at least a PVP activity. And they're all pretty old things, and they weren't scrapped as you're proposing for exploration. Exploration compared to your recommendations is still a very virgin profession. It may need work, but not scrapping. But exploration is far more varied than mission running. Oh look, Angels Extravaganza again,, (fit appropriate hardeners. Enter plex, tank, F1-F6, rinse, repeat) At least with exploration its something varied. Improve Market Competition!
Jita TradeAlt	Posted - 2007.10.09 01:15:00 - [41] Originally by: Kylar Renpurs At least with exploration its something varied. Uhm, its the other way around. There are far, far more missions than exploration sites. I think i've run all the ones in angel space. Fit solid omni tank raven or rokh, bring 1-2 osprey alts(can be trained in around 5 hours) and try to keep distance from main rat blob. Works on all but a handful of sites that you definitely know what are and you won't be trying solo.
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2007.10.09 01:16:00 - [42] I enjoy the Exploration system too, and I think it's a pretty brilliant addition to the game. Yes, it needs work; yes, it's not for everybody, but the basic concept is good. As for it cutting down on your PvP options, I really doubt it. If the people doing it weren't Exploring to get their iskies, they'd be doing virtually PvP-free missions, ratting, trading, industry, invention, etc. instead. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Jita TradeAlt	Posted - 2007.10.09 01:18:00 - [43] Originally by: Tsanse Kinske As for it cutting down on your PvP options, I really doubt it. If the people doing it weren't Exploring to get their iskies, they'd be doing virtually PvP-free missions, ratting, trading, industry, invention, etc. instead. Actually, a lot would be doing old static plexes, I know I would. And since they had other players contesting them then those were actually fun. Since, you know, just seeing other players when you're making isk is a rarity in eve.
Jita TradeAlt	Posted - 2007.10.09 01:21:00 - [44] Edited by: Jita TradeAlt on 09/10/2007 01:21:51 Ok how about this, would exploration be better if it used normal probe times? That is, 120 seconds instead of 600 seconds like it is now?
Jimer Lins Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.09 01:22:00 - [45] Originally by: Jita TradeAlt Originally by: Tsanse Kinske As for it cutting down on your PvP options, I really doubt it. If the people doing it weren't Exploring to get their iskies, they'd be doing virtually PvP-free missions, ratting, trading, industry, invention, etc. instead. Actually, a lot would be doing old static plexes, I know I would. And since they had other players contesting them then those were actually fun. Since, you know, just seeing other players when you're making isk is a rarity in eve. Of course it is- because when you see another player, they're going to kill you. You shouldn't trust anyone, if they show up in your area, leave, stay aligned for quick getaways, the list is legion. Anyone who stays in this game for any length of time learns that. It's not like this game really caters to people meeting each other and becoming friends. Even helping someone out is more likely to get you ganked (waves @ lofty29) than anything else. Trust no one, avoid everyone. This isn't a game for the social. You can overcome that to a certain extent by being in a corp, but since corp theivery and metagaming are so prevalent you really can't trust anyone in your corp either. -- EVE Glossary Exploration Video
Jita TradeAlt	Posted - 2007.10.09 01:28:00 - [46] Originally by: Jimer Lins Originally by: Jita TradeAlt Originally by: Tsanse Kinske As for it cutting down on your PvP options, I really doubt it. If the people doing it weren't Exploring to get their iskies, they'd be doing virtually PvP-free missions, ratting, trading, industry, invention, etc. instead. Actually, a lot would be doing old static plexes, I know I would. And since they had other players contesting them then those were actually fun. Since, you know, just seeing other players when you're making isk is a rarity in eve. Of course it is- because when you see another player, they're going to kill you. You shouldn't trust anyone, if they show up in your area, leave, stay aligned for quick getaways, the list is legion. Anyone who stays in this game for any length of time learns that. It's not like this game really caters to people meeting each other and becoming friends. Even helping someone out is more likely to get you ganked (waves @ lofty29) than anything else. Trust no one, avoid everyone. This isn't a game for the social. You can overcome that to a certain extent by being in a corp, but since corp theivery and metagaming are so prevalent you really can't trust anyone in your corp either. Actually, making friends to control and fight over certain plexes was how some of the older corps in this game got made, not that an empire player like you would know much about that, or pvp for that matter.
General StarScream THE DECEPTIC0NS	Posted - 2007.10.09 01:41:00 - [47] ye exploring is great i love it. its so fun and rewarding, as long as your in 0,0 that is. havent found anything worth more than my probes in emp or low. but in 0,0 it rocks.
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.10.09 01:42:00 - [48] What an amazing troll Exploration is quite relaxing and profitable. Would you prefer 160 mill Encyption Methods fall into your lap with no effort? Ships in exploration sites are also subject to probes...meaning double the fun...work with relaxation in my case . "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Sirial Soulfly	Posted - 2007.10.09 01:42:00 - [49] Originally by: Jita TradeAlt Actually, making friends to control and fight over certain plexes was how some of the older corps in this game got made, not that an empire player like you would know much about that, or pvp for that matter. Are you saying that certain people/corps/alliances massivly farming the high lvl complxes was a good thing ?
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2007.10.09 01:45:00 - [50] Originally by: Jita TradeAlt Originally by: Tsanse Kinske As for it cutting down on your PvP options, I really doubt it. If the people doing it weren't Exploring to get their iskies, they'd be doing virtually PvP-free missions, ratting, trading, industry, invention, etc. instead. Actually, a lot would be doing old static plexes, I know I would. And since they had other players contesting them then those were actually fun. Since, you know, just seeing other players when you're making isk is a rarity in eve. Well sure, some would. And I'm ambivalent about the Complex system now. But you're pinning that specific issue on Exploration, when Complexes are only a small subset of it. Frankly I know you wouldn't care one bit about Exploration if only you could get your complexes back. Of course, if you just went and said that in your thread title, it might get locked as a dupe of one of your other threads on the matter. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Jita TradeAlt	Posted - 2007.10.09 01:50:00 - [51] Originally by: RuleoftheBone Exploration is quite relaxing and profitable. Would you prefer 160 mill Encyption Methods fall into your lap with no effort? You do know that most of those drop from macro farmable high-sec cosmos sites, right? Originally by: Sirial Soulfly Originally by: Jita TradeAlt Actually, making friends to control and fight over certain plexes was how some of the older corps in this game got made, not that an empire player like you would know much about that, or pvp for that matter. Are you saying that certain people/corps/alliances massivly farming the high lvl complxes was a good thing ? I always consider pvp a good thing over mindless farming of missions and exploration sites.
Rangkai	Posted - 2007.10.09 04:42:00 - [52] I like exploration from time to time.. not a full time thing.. but I think it's fun.. And people have scanned me out and engaged me while exploring.. so it's not something i feel safe doing.. and I am always prepared for a fight.. Perhaps you are doing it wrong.
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.10.09 10:17:00 - [53] Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 09/10/2007 10:18:13 Originally by: Jita TradeAlt You do know that most of those drop from macro farmable high-sec cosmos sites, right? Really? Funny how Gallente Encryption Methods drop in Gallente space Mag sites . If what you claim is true the bottom would fall out of the market on such...which it has not given the price range for months has been in the 160-210 million mark per copy. Stick to Jita "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Reverend Revelator Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.10.09 10:24:00 - [54] I enjoy it. The isk is good, and most importantly, the isk is made offgrid, so I dont have to panic if a hostile enters system. And the less ppl who do exploration, the more isk for us who do exploration. -- Dead People Laugh At The Murder Of Love --
Fenlaw	Posted - 2007.10.09 11:19:00 - [55] Edited by: Fenlaw on 09/10/2007 11:20:19 Originally by: Jimer Lins Originally by: Jita TradeAlt I saw your video, high sec doesn't count. It never does. Says "Jita TradeAlt"? Anyway- The video was made in hisec, of course. Why bother making it in lowsec? It's not like the sec status makes a difference in how you find the thing. I'm sorry but have you ever explored in 0.0? Ever tried scanning down a 10/10 complex site? I doubt you'll ever do this in 15-20 minutes, even "normal" radar/magnometronic sites in 0.0 can be a ***** to find even with good skills, scan rigs and implants.
Jita TradeAlt	Posted - 2007.10.09 11:31:00 - [56] Edited by: Jita TradeAlt on 09/10/2007 11:35:53 Originally by: RuleoftheBone Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 09/10/2007 10:18:13 Originally by: Jita TradeAlt You do know that most of those drop from macro farmable high-sec cosmos sites, right? Really? Funny how Gallente Encryption Methods drop in Gallente space Mag sites . If what you claim is true the bottom would fall out of the market on such...which it has not given the price range for months has been in the 160-210 million mark per copy. Stick to Jita Note security status: Linkage Stick to roleplaying pirates. Originally by: Fenlaw Edited by: Fenlaw on 09/10/2007 11:20:19 Originally by: Jimer Lins Originally by: Jita TradeAlt I saw your video, high sec doesn't count. It never does. Says "Jita TradeAlt"? Anyway- The video was made in hisec, of course. Why bother making it in lowsec? It's not like the sec status makes a difference in how you find the thing. I'm sorry but have you ever explored in 0.0? Ever tried scanning down a 10/10 complex site? I doubt you'll ever do this in 15-20 minutes, even "normal" radar/magnometronic sites in 0.0 can be a *** to find even with good skills, scan rigs and implants. No, he has never left high-sec and has no idea what he's talking about. Originally by:** Reverend Revelator I enjoy it. The isk is good, and most importantly, the isk is made offgrid, so I dont have to panic if a hostile enters system. Yeah man, careless PVE is what makes Eve exciting!
Ryoji Tanakama Caldari Daikoku Fleet Shipyards	Posted - 2007.10.09 11:45:00 - [57] Originally by: Jimer Lins Not everything in this game has to cater to those with the attention span of a chipmunk in a brightly lit room full of shiny things decorated with tinfoil. You have to tell me... WHERE IS THIS ROOM?!?!?!?!?! shinyshinyshinyshinyshinyshinyshinyshinyshinyshinyshinyshinyshinyshinyshinyshiny... ~Ryoji Tanakama Daikoku Fleet Shipyards
Kerfira	Posted - 2007.10.09 11:58:00 - [58] Just so you all know it, the OP is on a quest to get farmable plex'es back so his alliance and their masters can get all that lovely faction loot back that they used to farm. They REALLY must be missing that faction loot they didn't have to work for Another thread is here: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=598637 .....and there's spam about the same from the OP in a lot of other threads around the place. The OP will claim that "It's all about the PvP" and that he doesn't care about the phat lewt, but when suggestions then come up to re-instate the plex'es, but WITHOUT the faction stuff, suddenly he's at a loss for words and the faction loot becomes indispensable.... The plex'es themselves, even without the faction loot and overseer stuff were still very rewarding. High value targets, lots of them and you didn't even have to search for them. If it was about the PvP, then even without the valuables it should still be fine. But since the OP has another objetive than the one he states, it'll of.c. not do Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.09 12:02:00 - [59] i love exploration. a reduction in scan time would be appreciated tough. at least for the multispecs.
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.09 12:06:00 - [60] Edited by: d026 on 09/10/2007 12:06:22 Originally by: Jita TradeAlt I really hate it the most since Quote: it discourages pvp even more in a game that badly needs more areas where pvp should be a significant component to the gameplay. i well remember the ra farmers back then in scalading pass hiding on the last levels of the x/10 angel plexes 23/7. No chance to probe em out.. Yeah you got that completely right static plexes encurage pvp
Tyrattica	Posted - 2007.10.09 12:06:00 - [61] Here's an article written about multi-user games, and why all those other players do what they do. The gankers, the carebears, the forum alts, the miners, explorers, pirates, the industrialists, the traders, etc. all fit in somewhere. Some people have fun at a slower pace, some have fun at the expense of others, some have fun by amassing wealth, or kills, or stuff, some have fun through socialisation and teamwork. Exploration might be the main activity of some, a diversion for others and anathema to everyone else, but it doesn't need to be scrapped. Even though this is about MUDs, it can be applied to EvE as well. http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/wpm.htm
Cailais Amarr VITOC Fang Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.09 12:13:00 - [62] Originally by: Kerfira Just so you all know it, the OP is on a quest to get farmable plex'es back so his alliance and their masters can get all that lovely faction loot back that they used to farm. They REALLY must be missing that faction loot they didn't have to work for Another thread is here: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=598637 .....and there's spam about the same from the OP in a lot of other threads around the place. The OP will claim that "It's all about the PvP" and that he doesn't care about the phat lewt, but when suggestions then come up to re-instate the plex'es, but WITHOUT the faction stuff, suddenly he's at a loss for words and the faction loot becomes indispensable.... The plex'es themselves, even without the faction loot and overseer stuff were still very rewarding. High value targets, lots of them and you didn't even have to search for them. If it was about the PvP, then even without the valuables it should still be fine. But since the OP has another objetive than the one he states, it'll of.c. not do And as if by magic the op suddenly goes all quiet.... C. - sig designer - eve mail
Jita TradeAlt	Posted - 2007.10.09 12:14:00 - [63] Edited by: Jita TradeAlt on 09/10/2007 12:16:12 Originally by: d026 Yeah you got that completely right static plexes encurage pvp Well, we killed every veritas member that tried to stop us or contest us, even if they were badly organized and in the end didn't even try since they were so awful at pvp(which is why they're in NPC space these days), so yeah, it definitely did encourage even the worst carebears in eve to PVP. edit, ahahaha, i hadn't realized until now that kefira is a bob pet. well trolled buddy
Jita TradeAlt	Posted - 2007.10.09 12:19:00 - [64] Edited by: Jita TradeAlt on 09/10/2007 12:18:55 Originally by: Cailais And as if by magic the op suddenly goes all quiet.... C. Quiet for a whole 5 minutes, which is what it took me to write up the replies to both threads. Don't you look silly now?
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2007.10.09 12:29:00 - [65] I do exploration on the forums. I just keep pressing F5 every 10 seconds. Sometimes it turns up somebody quitting and selling there character for 1 isk. But usually it just turns up hypocritical trolls. Like you. and me. -- Any views or opinions expressed are only the ones I want to ram down your throat.
Bimjo Caldari SKULLDOGS	Posted - 2007.10.09 12:33:00 - [66] Originally by: Jita TradeAlt Originally by: Alexis Machine I enjoy it. you enjoy hitting the scan button every 3-4 mins for a couple hours? and this as your only activity in a full screen'ed eve, not doing anything else but exploration? 3 to 4 mins ? no wonder you are bored. train up your skills and you will find these sites much much quicker (2 mins here) here's a question for explorers : I keep hearing that it can take hours to probe a site out and I have yet had to spend more than 1 hours on any given search. I have maxed my skills,I think, does this help in finding sites quicker? (other than reducing my search time to 120 seconds)
Jita TradeAlt	Posted - 2007.10.09 12:47:00 - [67] Originally by: Bimjo Originally by: Jita TradeAlt Originally by: Alexis Machine I enjoy it. you enjoy hitting the scan button every 3-4 mins for a couple hours? and this as your only activity in a full screen'ed eve, not doing anything else but exploration? 3 to 4 mins ? no wonder you are bored. train up your skills and you will find these sites much much quicker (2 mins here) here's a question for explorers : I keep hearing that it can take hours to probe a site out and I have yet had to spend more than 1 hours on any given search. I have maxed my skills,I think, does this help in finding sites quicker? (other than reducing my search time to 120 seconds) So you maxed out cov ops 5, signal acq 5, a few hundred mill in implants/rigs and now you wonder if around 70 days of training and a few hundred mill in implants actually makes a difference? Now since you're ex-shinra i'll accept that you could be that stupid, but i'd rather go with the fact that you're trolling sicne your ingame standings list shows that you can barely have run any deadspace sites at all.
Jita TradeAlt	Posted - 2007.10.09 13:19:00 - [68] Originally by: d026 Edited by: d026 on 09/10/2007 12:06:22 Originally by: Jita TradeAlt I really hate it the most since Quote: it discourages pvp even more in a game that badly needs more areas where pvp should be a significant component to the gameplay. i well remember the ra farmers back then in scalading pass hiding on the last levels of the x/10 angel plexes 23/7. No chance to probe em out.. Yeah you got that completely right static plexes encurage pvp Ahahahaha, this get better: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=610304 A thread by D026 about how awful exploration is and how he spent 8 hours on a site and was rewarded with nothing at all. But i guess trolling my thread instead of trying to convince ccp that exploration isn't really that peachy is more fun.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.10.09 13:54:00 - [69] You think that it is a waste of your time, yet whining about it on the forums is a better use of your time? Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Jita TradeAlt	Posted - 2007.10.09 14:05:00 - [70] Originally by: An Anarchyyt You think that it is a waste of your time, yet whining about it on the forums is a better use of your time? forum pvp is quite entertaining fyi
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.10.09 14:06:00 - [71] Jita TradeAlt is clearly having a bad day and wants to take his anger out by arguing on the forums. This is never a good idea. ------------ Whiners - Unite! \| Posting and You Tarminic - Forum Warfare Specialist.
Maestro Ulv Phaze-9	Posted - 2007.10.09 14:33:00 - [72] Originally by: Jita TradeAlt Mission running is at least a tiny bit varied. Not after 4 years of it! Missions are boring as hell, and no I dont do them anymore. Scanning **** is fun though I'm not bored, I'm merely in the Queue.
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2007.10.09 16:44:00 - [73] Originally by: Bimjo here's a question for explorers : I keep hearing that it can take hours to probe a site out and I have yet had to spend more than 1 hours on any given search. I have maxed my skills,I think, does this help in finding sites quicker? (other than reducing my search time to 120 seconds) There's a few different things I think can happen. - Bad probe placement. - Difficult planet arrangements. - Very weak signaled sites, especially close to the max range of a probe. - Dead zones. Even in the best of circumstances, it's basically impossible to get -perfect- coverage of every planet in most systems, without doing different placement sets, or (much more efficient) scanning with another player or an alt. Those first four are all closely related. - Wrong signal type. It's not rare to pick up a different signal from the wrong type of Quest with a "lucky" random roll. From there people will move on to the finer probes, assuming it's that signal type. But even though their chances are better with those probes, the overall chance is still very bad. I think this happens a fair amount. - And then just basic incompetence or ignorance of the mechanics. For instance not understanding the multi bug, hitting the wrong scan group, not analyzing with every probe, choosing the wrong range of probe, etc. I've done all of those at one time or another, and I'm sure other people do too. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Ione Hunt 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.10.09 16:57:00 - [74] I agree with you...you don't like it, and imo that's justification enough to take it out of the game _______________
An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.10.09 17:01:00 - [75] Originally by: Tsanse Kinske Originally by: Bimjo here's a question for explorers : I keep hearing that it can take hours to probe a site out and I have yet had to spend more than 1 hours on any given search. I have maxed my skills,I think, does this help in finding sites quicker? (other than reducing my search time to 120 seconds) There's a few different things I think can happen. - Bad probe placement. - Difficult planet arrangements. - Very weak signaled sites, especially close to the max range of a probe. - Dead zones. Even in the best of circumstances, it's basically impossible to get -perfect- coverage of every planet in most systems, without doing different placement sets, or (much more efficient) scanning with another player or an alt. Those first four are all closely related. - Wrong signal type. It's not rare to pick up a different signal from the wrong type of Quest with a "lucky" random roll. From there people will move on to the finer probes, assuming it's that signal type. But even though their chances are better with those probes, the overall chance is still very bad. I think this happens a fair amount. - And then just basic incompetence or ignorance of the mechanics. For instance not understanding the multi bug, hitting the wrong scan group, not analyzing with every probe, choosing the wrong range of probe, etc. I've done all of those at one time or another, and I'm sure other people do too. Don't forget bad luck. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
insidion Caldari Last of the Technocracy	Posted - 2007.10.09 17:17:00 - [76] It's already been said in this thread, but to recap....removal is much too harsh a suggestion. The idea of exploration is fantastic, the implementation leaves much to be desired of course. Let's just hope that CCP can do right by the players by the time all is said and done.
Damian Vilsalant Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.09 17:21:00 - [77] Originally by: Jita TradeAlt Anyone here actually enjoy exploration apart from as a diversion from ratting/missions once in a while? Yes, I do. I'm against scrapping it 110%! As soon as it gets fixed it'll be even better. I think this is a really nice feature that CCP gave us so it would be stupid to remove it in my opinion.
Jita TradeAlt	Posted - 2007.10.09 17:27:00 - [78] Edited by: Jita TradeAlt on 09/10/2007 17:26:45 Originally by: Ione Hunt I agree with you...you don't like it, and imo that's justification enough to take it out of the game this guy gets it
Jimer Lins Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.09 18:05:00 - [79] Originally by: Fenlaw Edited by: Fenlaw on 09/10/2007 11:20:19 Originally by: Jimer Lins Originally by: Jita TradeAlt I saw your video, high sec doesn't count. It never does. Says "Jita TradeAlt"? Anyway- The video was made in hisec, of course. Why bother making it in lowsec? It's not like the sec status makes a difference in how you find the thing. I'm sorry but have you ever explored in 0.0? Ever tried scanning down a 10/10 complex site? I doubt you'll ever do this in 15-20 minutes, even "normal" radar/magnometronic sites in 0.0 can be a ***** to find even with good skills, scan rigs and implants. Yes, I have explored in 0.0. Real life has kept me busy recently but for a while I had several people out in 0.0 who'd pay me quite a bit of ISK just to find sites for them. Some take longer than that, of course. It's the 80/20 rule. 80% take less than 20 minutes, the ones that take longer are usually the ones you really want. Twice I've had sites that took over 3 hours total to find, and once I had one that took about 3 days of 2 hour sessions to locate. The process is much faster once I have bookmarks for good probe coverage, of course. That's almost always the part that takes the longest. -- EVE Glossary Exploration Video
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.09 18:08:00 - [80] Originally by: Jita TradeAlt Originally by: d026 Edited by: d026 on 09/10/2007 12:06:22 Originally by: Jita TradeAlt I really hate it the most since Quote: it discourages pvp even more in a game that badly needs more areas where pvp should be a significant component to the gameplay. i well remember the ra farmers back then in scalading pass hiding on the last levels of the x/10 angel plexes 23/7. No chance to probe em out.. Yeah you got that completely right static plexes encurage pvp Ahahahaha, this get better: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=610304 A thread by D026 about how awful exploration is and how he spent 8 hours on a site and was rewarded with nothing at all. But i guess trolling my thread instead of trying to convince ccp that exploration isn't really that peachy is more fun. i agree the combat/escalaton sites suck. but the radar/mag or exploration as a whole rocks and does not need scrapped! probably boosted/adjusted a bit but not scraped:9
Frug Zenithal Harvest BROTHER'S WORD	Posted - 2007.10.09 18:26:00 - [81] Dear OP. If you don't like it, don't do it. Yours truly, Captain Obvious. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Lurtz Caldari Gunrunners and Gamblers	Posted - 2007.10.09 19:32:00 - [82] Originally by: Jita TradeAlt Originally by: Alexis Machine I enjoy it. you enjoy hitting the scan button every 3-4 mins for a couple hours? and this as your only activity in a full screen'ed eve, not doing anything else but exploration? I enjoy it too! with skills you hit scan alot more often than every 3-4 minutes. But yes I spend several hours a day exploring, and running/mining what I find. My annoyance is that they've made it too easy and too many people are doing it.
Lincoln Armm	Posted - 2007.10.09 23:43:00 - [83] Exploration was introduced to solve several poriblems in EVE hafing to do with distribution of various commodities and locations. However it has not been universally adopted by the EVE community. In fact it is (posts on this thread not withstanding) wildly unpopular, especially with the EVE PVE community. This is clear from several clear indicatiors, the dearth of t2 rigs, the continuing high price of anything and everything found through exploration, etc. etc. Scraping exploration is simply not on. CCP is commited to it as a critical part of there invention and risk/reward systems. They are attempting to make it more palatable, albiet in very small steps indeed. I don't think they will succeed however yuntil they truly address the central issue. Exploration needs to be balanced against other PVE activities NOT mining, NOT pos fiddling, because the people doing it have to be PVEers. Currently Mission running is much much more lucrative for much less risk (even in low sec). In 0.0 rating pays much better as well and is only moderatly more dangerous. While exploration appeals to a small minirity (as indeed does almost any game feature no matter how flawed). Most PVEers will not consider it until it is somewhere in the neighboorhood of there normal activities of rating and mission running.
gaz widdow Caldari THE INQUISITI0N	Posted - 2007.10.10 03:30:00 - [84] Exploration is good if the game evoloved to another level. Let me run this one over on you: Imgine space as it should be empty dark cold and lonley you reach the borders of known space you scan find a abnormaity ok you go check it out its a natural wormhole pretty much how eve started. You go through and theres a system not on anyones map but yours, being as your the first to find it, now the wormhole isnt stable so it moves around say after every dt and it has a limited number of how many times it could be used before it colapses. To impliment this it would mean the building of stargates which I think as been on the cards for a while now and ships that has jump drive abilites. Strange how we have those now and more comming. I think eve atm is over populated space isnt like this or never will be It would mean having new regions but think of exporation as it should be, a corp or allience going out to find a new home with probers out in front as it should be, think about being given a chance to become stable and start to thrive before 12 alliences start beating up on you, or become the equivilent of jove a unknown entity. I started playing because I thought the game would be like this, and it might have been for the people who played from beta but it sure isnt like it now, and I still live in hope after 3.5 years. ah well my 2 cents:
Linavin Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.10 04:05:00 - [85] Exploration does seem a little too unprofitable, granted its probably the activity which requires the least attention on behalf of the player (even beating out afk hauling, in a covops frig you can't really get ganked) What would be much more fun is an increase in minor escalations with small but still worthwhile amounts of loot (somewhere between 150 and 300 mil worth). Its just more fun to get some item to sell rather than a boat load of bounties. ---
Hoshi Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.10.10 04:46:00 - [86] Around which static complexes did this mythical pvp take place that you are referring to? A few lowsec ones where camped by pirates but the ones in 0.0, no way. One of the big complaints about the old static complexes where the fact that they were pvp safe. Because of the key system once you get 2-3 rooms in you where safer there than in jita. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations
Jita TradeAlt	Posted - 2007.10.10 12:02:00 - [87] Originally by: Hoshi Around which static complexes did this mythical pvp take place that you are referring to? A few lowsec ones where camped by pirates but the ones in 0.0, no way. One of the big complaints about the old static complexes where the fact that they were pvp safe. Because of the key system once you get 2-3 rooms in you where safer there than in jita. Ok I'll give you 2-3 examples that you can have heard of at least where there was PVP over 0.0 plexes: dbpreacher losing his aeon trying to protect the 10/10 in fountain, ascn losing like 5 carriers(when that was a big number of carriers..) while trying to protect their 10/10 and rise losing fleets every day trying to secure the RIT plex. And that's just examples you'll probably have heard of. And yeah, most plexes gave out extra keys, rooms you'd have to re-enter or alternate routes so you could follow people in pretty easily. I mean everyone that has ever run a single complex knows this.
Theo Samaritan Gallente Pheonix Reborn	Posted - 2007.10.10 12:38:00 - [88] Originally by: Jita TradeAlt seriously though, anyone see a reason for exploration probes to take 5 times longer than normal probes? that at least is purely just a complete ***** waste of our time. Then dont *** do it. You are not God, and you are not the master of Tranquility. CCP will not remove exploration because your too lazy an idiot to work for your gains. And I KNOW its all about items with you, screw the PvP. If YOU think that exploration is a waste of YOUR time, then don't ***** do it. Myself and others are willing to, and dont care what you say. ______________________________ A Request About Lag Discussion -- Yet another "Edit my sig devs!" request \o/
Jita TradeAlt	Posted - 2007.10.10 12:39:00 - [89] Originally by: Theo Samaritan Originally by: Jita TradeAlt seriously though, anyone see a reason for exploration probes to take 5 times longer than normal probes? that at least is purely just a complete ***** waste of our time. Then dont *** do it. You are not God, and you are not the master of Tranquility. CCP will not remove exploration because your too lazy an idiot to work for your gains. And I KNOW its all about items with you, screw the PvP. If YOU think that exploration is a waste of YOUR time, then don't ***** do it. Myself and others are willing to, and dont care what you say. You think waiting 5 times as long as necessary for a probe result is "work" over just a complete waste of time?
Allan Robertson Gallente Azure Horizon Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2007.10.10 12:40:00 - [90] Originally by: Jita TradeAlt Personally I really, really do not enjoy spending hours hitting scan to find what's basically mission sites and I've yet to find anyone that actually enjoys it. Honestly though, I really hate it the most since i discourages pvp even more in a game that badly needs more areas where pvp should be a significant component to the gameplay. Anyone here actually enjoy exploration apart from as a diversion from ratting/missions once in a while? Then don't do it, I know many people who have got millions of ISK from exploration. --- Say YES! to Mining Cargo Holds on barges!
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.10.10 12:46:00 - [91] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 10/10/2007 12:46:33 So...basically...it's a guy, saying all things but PVP should be removed? Must be monday...i hate mondays... My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Theo Samaritan Gallente Pheonix Reborn	Posted - 2007.10.10 13:02:00 - [92] Originally by: Jita TradeAlt Originally by: Theo Samaritan --- You think waiting 5 times as long as necessary for a probe result is "work" over just a complete waste of time? Considering I use the time for more than just sitting on my ass waiting for the probes to finish, yes I do see it as work. I have a small army of newbies to train and organise ______________________________ A Request About Lag Discussion -- Yet another "Edit my sig devs!" request \o/
Zarack Spitstoor Caldari Lewis and Clark Exploration	Posted - 2007.10.10 15:22:00 - [93] Originally by: gaz widdow Imgine space as it should be empty dark cold and lonley you reach the borders of known space you scan find a abnormaity ok you go check it out its a natural wormhole pretty much how eve started. You go through and theres a system not on anyones map but yours, being as your the first to find it, now the wormhole isnt stable so it moves around say after every dt and it has a limited number of how many times it could be used before it colapses. To impliment this it would mean the building of stargates which I think as been on the cards for a while now and ships that has jump drive abilites. Strange how we have those now and more comming. I like part of this idea but I also quite like how exploration works now and I'd hate to see it dumbed down to the point where sites could be farmed. I like the randomness of exploring, and the sense of freedom from going anywhere I want, but never really sure where I will end up. Removing exploration wont stop people who want to explore, before having any probe skills I still liked knowing what people were hiding in systems. As for pvp, some people have expressed an interest in using my probe skills in that context so people do have fun with both.
Green Cobra	Posted - 2007.10.10 15:37:00 - [94] As I see it the main issue with exploration for complexes is: 1. In most cases scanning down a site takes more isk in probes than you get in rewards. 2. There is no way of seeing if the signature is a 1/10 or a 5/10 plex. Solutions: 1. Some kind of change in the dificulty to scan down a site from what DED rating. 2. A option to scan with multiprobe for a special type of signature, like scanning for 4/10 plexes. Same ideas whould be good for all types of exploration sites.
Zarack Spitstoor Caldari Lewis and Clark Exploration	Posted - 2007.10.10 16:44:00 - [95] Originally by: Green Cobra 1. In most cases scanning down a site takes more isk in probes than you get in rewards. I think I'd like to see the rewards beefed up so this is no longer the case.
Jita TradeAlt	Posted - 2007.10.10 18:56:00 - [96] Originally by: Allan Robertson Originally by: Jita TradeAlt Personally I really, really do not enjoy spending hours hitting scan to find what's basically mission sites and I've yet to find anyone that actually enjoys it. Honestly though, I really hate it the most since i discourages pvp even more in a game that badly needs more areas where pvp should be a significant component to the gameplay. Anyone here actually enjoy exploration apart from as a diversion from ratting/missions once in a while? Then don't do it, I know many people who have got millions of ISK from exploration. You know what, I wouldn't really mind that much if it wasn't for the fact that it puts carebears in carefree deadspace pockets where i cant kill them. Eve is a pvp game first and foremost after all.
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2007.10.10 19:19:00 - [97] Originally by: Jita TradeAlt Originally by: Allan Robertson Then don't do it, I know many people who have got millions of ISK from exploration. You know what, I wouldn't really mind that much if it wasn't for the fact that it puts carebears in carefree deadspace pockets where i cant kill them. Eve is a pvp game first and foremost after all. I look forward to your upcoming thought-provoking threads on eliminating missions, cloaks, Local, hisec, NPC corps, logouts, and stations with great interest. In the meantime, choose that nifty "Ships" group in your scanner. I hear people are using it to scan ships and kill carefree carebears. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Jonak Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.10 19:32:00 - [98] After all of that training I don't even explore anymore. The changes that came with the Rev II patch has made it pretty worthless in my opinion. I throw out a probe every so often but I have yet to ever get a mag or radar hit. Not in hi sec. Not in low sec. Just bad luck I guess.
Naran Darkmood Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.10 20:12:00 - [99] Originally by: Jita TradeAlt Personally I really, really do not enjoy spending hours hitting scan to find what's basically mission sites and I've yet to find anyone that actually enjoys it. Honestly though, I really hate it the most since i discourages pvp even more in a game that badly needs more areas where pvp should be a significant component to the gameplay. Anyone here actually enjoy exploration apart from as a diversion from ratting/missions once in a while? Yes, please scrap all this scanning crap and give me my nvulnaerable low sec missions again. I hate PvP [/sarcasm off] Originally by: jongalt perhaps PvP is to be taken literally? Player vs. Player (no plural, but quite the Singular) instead of AvA (alliance vs. alliance), or CvC (corp vs corp).
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.10.10 20:15:00 - [100] Originally by: Jita TradeAlt You know what, I wouldn't really mind that much if it wasn't for the fact that it puts carebears in carefree deadspace pockets where i cant kill them. Eve is a pvp game first and foremost after all. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in Forum Warfare
Zarack Spitstoor Caldari Lewis and Clark Exploration	Posted - 2007.10.10 23:06:00 - [101] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Jita TradeAlt You know what, I wouldn't really mind that much if it wasn't for the fact that it puts carebears in carefree deadspace pockets where i cant kill them. Eve is a pvp game first and foremost after all. hehe. this does sound like a "get those noobs out here where i can pwn them" post. As a 100% explorer I'm very interested in getting into lowsec, I cant wait. I'm also interested in using my skills to help friends hunt down troublesome players and scout ahead.
MT Numerator	Posted - 2007.10.11 00:40:00 - [102] Now that we all know the OP is just whining missing the days of easy money/loot, this thread has served its purpose. Someone should lock it and put it out of its misery.
Jita TradeAlt	Posted - 2007.10.22 02:51:00 - [103] Originally by: MT Numerator Now that we all know the OP is just whining missing the days of easy money/loot, this thread has served its purpose. Someone should lock it and put it out of its misery. or maybe hes trying to point out to people that the time/reward factor in exploration is on average silly(shut up about your friend of a friend that once got this cool thing in an exploration plex, it's not enough to pull up the average) and since some of us have lives then taking a few hours to hit scan in an internet spaceship game is silly, while static plexes where actually fun! Gosh, fun in a game?!
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.10.22 03:13:00 - [104] Originally by: Jita TradeAlt Originally by: MT Numerator Now that we all know the OP is just whining missing the days of easy money/loot, this thread has served its purpose. Someone should lock it and put it out of its misery. or maybe hes trying to point out to people that the time/reward factor in exploration is on average silly(shut up about your friend of a friend that once got this cool thing in an exploration plex, it's not enough to pull up the average) and since some of us have lives then taking a few hours to hit scan in an internet spaceship game is silly, while static plexes where actually fun! Gosh, fun in a game?! I, too, feel that the risk -v- reward is a little skewed, as is the time -v- reward. As CCP moves away from static spawns and toward dynamic exploration sites, it's imperative that they work to make exploration more efficient and consistent.

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