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Ashlspiess
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.13 14:42:00 -
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Doing level 3 mission 'Massive Attack' in my newly bought Raven.
Lots of frigates at beginning, torps pretty much useless against them.
So I figure it must be this whole 'large missiles suck against small ships thing'
So I take 2 siege launchers out and put in light launchers. Guess what, no help.
Centi Butcher and Manslayer have EM resistance of 0, yet my sabertooth missiles still only do 25 damage a pop.
How do my shields get down to 75% only trying to kill TWO stinking little ships? There is something seriously wrong here.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.10.13 15:14:00 -
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Since you're less than a month old, I would have to say "bloody lack of any relevant skills whatsoever".
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Ashlspiess
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.13 15:23:00 -
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Hmmm dont think this game is for me then.
Been playing the game bout 3 weeks now, ready for level 4 missions already but can't do them because I don't have the skills.
Can't say I ever played a game where progression was limited to real time.
Oh wells, it was fun while it lasted. 
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Caldorous
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.10.13 15:26:00 -
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Stick with lvl 2's man, the lvl 3's are for grown ups 
On a more serious tone: Use heavy/light missiles, use painters, webs and so on. Lvl 3 missions dont have bs as enemies so you dont need to use a bs to make those missions.
Get a nicer smaller ship. Or get more skills 
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Caldorous
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.10.13 15:28:00 -
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 Originally by: Ashlspiess
Hmmm dont think this game is for me then.
Been playing the game bout 3 weeks now, ready for level 4 missions already but can't do them because I don't have the skills.
Can't say I ever played a game where progression was limited to real time.
Oh wells, it was fun while it lasted.
Yes... this game is not meant to be played all day, unless you do pvp when you can be all day online defending the territory. I you want to do lvl 4's, get some friends with you.
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Scimon Tinker
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Posted - 2007.10.13 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Since you're less than a month old, I would have to say "bloody lack of any relevant skills whatsoever".
Pretty much true
you really really need to actually have the complimentry skills for whichever ship your flying. If your having troubles in a L3 killing stuff but tanking ok in the waven you should use cruise/heavies on the cruisers and drones on frigates.
L3 frigates are paper thin but move like [insert proverbial phrase] but if you have a set of med drones they should obliterate them without much trouble.
Even then you will still need skills to help.
Dump that raven and try a ferrox as that can tank well and has bonuses thats more specific to smaller ships/missiles.
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Ashlspiess
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.13 15:36:00 -
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Thing was, I wooped thru level 3s in my Drake, then I sold it when I had skill for Raven so I could get parts and insurance.
Boy was that a mistake 
Wanted to give painters/webifiers a shot but wouldn't have much tanking capability losing the med slots.
Ferox might be a good alternative however...
Sux Eve isn't a game meant to be played all day, cuz thats what I do
Ugh please dont make me log into WoW while my skills are training
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Carniflex
Caldari
Fallout Research
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.10.13 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ashlspiess
Hmmm dont think this game is for me then.
Been playing the game bout 3 weeks now, ready for level 4 missions already but can't do them because I don't have the skills.
Can't say I ever played a game where progression was limited to real time.
Oh wells, it was fun while it lasted.
Have fun in WoW or whereever you end. EVE is kinda 'special' in that regard.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.10.13 16:05:00 -
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Might want to stick with the Drake and L3s then.
I do L4s in a Drake, not Raven, even if I have the skills for it.
And I'm at over 22 mil SP by now (most of it not directly combat-related though).
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Dahak2150
Chaos Monkeys
Monkey Religion
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Posted - 2007.10.13 16:06:00 -
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Expecing to do L4s in only a month is foolish, you need far more support skills. In fact, I daresay you've got terrible skills for your raven. You need to train more, a lot more.
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Originally by: "Cyberus"
cause its has no sence anyway your brains is simply wont accept that anyway.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.10.13 16:08:00 -
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Besides, it's not SKILLS that matters most in here, it's ISK 
Get enough of it and you can buy a ready-trained char.
Think of it as this : get enough ISK with your Drake in L3s, and get a char that blazes through L4s afterwards.
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Ashlspiess
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.13 16:22:00 -
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Buy characters with ISK what???
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Kanonus
Amarr
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.10.13 17:08:00 -
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I recently made an alt. You can run lvl 4 in a drake with 900k SP. You can also run them in a raven as soon you can hop into it. It's harder but doable. It's all about knowing wich skills you should train first. You don't need much missile skills at first. Some drone skill would help agianst the small stuff. And for lvl 3's the drake is a lot better suited then the raven.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.10.13 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ashlspiess
Buy characters with ISK what???
There's a whole SECTION of the forum where you do exactly that.
Character and Timecode Bazaar
You buy/sell GTCs and characters for ISK there.
Just don't forget to read the stickies with the RULES.
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Resula
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Posted - 2007.10.13 17:14:00 -
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Edited by: Resula on 13/10/2007 17:14:16
Originally by: Ashlspiess
Buy characters with ISK what???
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=channel&channelID=544711
About the OP, I would also suggest that you stay off the lvl4s until you get a bit more skilled, or do them in a drake since the drakes tank as better than a ravens tank, and it can kill most BSs at halfdecent skills (will take forever though).
I myself still stay off some lvl4s, and I'm at somewhere between 14 and 16M SP, but I didn't start to train missionspesific (read caldari ships/missiles) skills until the last two months or so.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.10.13 17:17:00 -
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L4 heavy missiles, L5 missile launcher operation, L4 rapid launch, XR (or Arbalest/CN if you have too much ISK) heavy launchers and one or two T2 Ballistic Control System, 3x purger rigs, 3x Large Shield Extender II and a few hardners, and most L4s are a breeze in a Drake.
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Cyberneti
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Posted - 2007.10.13 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Ashlspiess
Hmmm dont think this game is for me then.
Been playing the game bout 3 weeks now, ready for level 4 missions already but can't do them because I don't have the skills.
Can't say I ever played a game where progression was limited to real time.
Oh wells, it was fun while it lasted.
Well i've been playing it for 4 years mate and in all honesty if you cant do lev 4's in your raven after 3 weeks and are upset by that then no, this game isn't for you.
EVE isn't about 4 weeks and I win.
Glad you had 3 weeks of fun though mate
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Rangkai
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Posted - 2007.10.13 23:14:00 -
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I never even tried a L4 mission until 6 months ago.. and i've been playing this game almost 2 years.
There were some times where I had a lot of time on my hands.. and I played all day too.
The key, and this is very important if you want to enjoy eve. Join a corp and make some friends.. and go do something.. there is so much you can do in eve.. missions are only a very small part.. and even then.. missions are much more fun with a group of friends.
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Cyberneti
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Posted - 2007.10.13 23:17:00 -
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Sorry, forgot to ask...
Can i have your raven?
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Ashlspiess
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.14 03:35:00 -
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I have Raven up for auction I need to get rid of it ASAP
If anyone wants to buyout auction for 100 mill I will send you 10 mill back because I need the moneys to buy new Drake
Includes 6 ZW-4100 siege launchers, not a bad deal for 90 mill!
Contact me in game if you want it
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Contralto
Gallente
A Thorn Industries Corporation
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Posted - 2007.10.14 06:03:00 -
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hehe lesson learned! well done.
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Wildwa
Avalon Security Interests
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Posted - 2007.10.14 06:44:00 -
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Haha I love it when someone can't grind there way to the top...
Gotta put in ur time son
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Sidephex
The Burning Orphans
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Posted - 2007.10.14 07:40:00 -
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patience is a virtue
never played it, but afaik u cant reach lvl60 or whatever in WoW within a very short time either.
also, realtime skill training benefits a lot of people that dont have time to play 8hrs a day. if u think thats a bad thing, well then thats your problem :D
also: getting up skills to lvl3 doesnt last very long and can help pretty much too.
and what do u expect? in lvl3s you sometimes encounter elite frigates. 2 missile launcher just wont do in certain circumstances, especially if you have very low skills.
but true, get the drake, will do any lvl3 easily once u have some basic skills to fit it up.
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Sofring Eternus
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.10.14 07:44:00 -
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Maybe I'm looking at this the wrong way but...
Couldnt you just use your Raven to run the L3's until you have the skills to properly run L4s?
Just fill the high slots with Heavy Missiles and Medium Blasters, then fill the lows with 2x BCU + MagStab + some shield / cap mod. Fill the meds with the best shield tank resists you can with 1 or 2 boost amplifiers and a shield booster as opposed to the drake passive tank.
Keep running L3's for cash to buy riggings and named modules while you skill up for T2 modules.
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Cmd Criton
Caldari
Zooner Corp
Phoenix Allianz
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Posted - 2007.10.14 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: Ashlspiess
Hmmm dont think this game is for me then.
Been playing the game bout 3 weeks now, ready for level 4 missions already but can't do them because I don't have the skills.
Can't say I ever played a game where progression was limited to real time.
Oh wells, it was fun while it lasted.
All i can say to this is that you are playing eve-online not WoW
no comment 
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Cyberneti
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Posted - 2007.10.14 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ashlspiess
I have Raven up for auction I need to get rid of it ASAP
If anyone wants to buyout auction for 100 mill I will send you 10 mill back because I need the moneys to buy new Drake
Includes 6 ZW-4100 siege launchers, not a bad deal for 90 mill!
Contact me in game if you want it
Glad you decided on a Drake over WoW lol
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Nozomi nrvqsr
Les chevaliers de l'ordre
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Posted - 2007.10.14 12:42:00 -
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Here's an eve fact: bigger isn't always better.
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
BROTHER'S WORD
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Posted - 2007.10.14 14:53:00 -
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Can I have your stuff?
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If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO
BOOO!! - Ductoris
Neat look what I found - Kreul
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.10.14 21:21:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 14/10/2007 21:24:22
Originally by: Ashlspiess
Doing level 3 mission 'Massive Attack' in my newly bought Raven.
Lots of frigates at beginning, torps pretty much useless against them.
So I figure it must be this whole 'large missiles suck against small ships thing'
So I take 2 siege launchers out and put in light launchers. Guess what, no help.
Centi Butcher and Manslayer have EM resistance of 0, yet my sabertooth missiles still only do 25 damage a pop.
How do my shields get down to 75% only trying to kill TWO stinking little ships? There is something seriously wrong here.
75%? Who cares? Peak recharge for shields is at 33%. The time to worry with shields is when you drop below 50%. Even then as long as it took half a minute or more to get there you have time to escape.
But..yeah. L4 in 3 weeks is pushing it. Eve is a slow burn game. It's about character progression and exploring the game environment and the people that inhabit it. Your mad rush to 'win' and to fly the best ship is going to see you burnt out and dissillusioned. Enjoy Eve for the experience of playing not as a way to get cool toys and look uber.
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Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr
Do Or Die And Live Or Try
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Posted - 2007.10.15 14:34:00 -
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Why do people keep talking about lvl 4, when the OP is talking about lvl 3's?
OP, fit 6x light missiles or 6x heavy missiles for lvl 3's.
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