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Daelin Blackleaf No Joy Corp Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.14 04:10:00 - [31] Edited by: Daelin Blackleaf on 14/10/2007 04:18:20 Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel Well, My cov ops have run very well organised gatecamps quite a few times. The MWD+Cov Ops Cloak technique (or MWD+Stealthbomber) works quite well unless they have simply massive amounts of ships, or if they're lucky (most gatecamps are just 4-20 people with reinforcements nearby). Just remember to switch directions once you've cloaked! It doesn't take too much brains to figure where a ship is if it remains on the same course as when it cloaked. So initially set your course either directly for the gate or out of the bubble, and then switch to a random direction after you've cloaked. Space is big, and once you've moved 10+ km away from where you cloaked it will take alot of luck to decloak you. A Crow with a single SBII fitted has a scan res of 1376mm the Cheetah has a sig-radius of 46 10000/1376/ASINH(46)=1.607163 Thats a lock time of 1.6 seconds (2 seconds without the SBII and 2.6 without any skills.) A max skilled triple nano-stabII MWDII Cheetah has a speed of 1906 the Large Modile Warp Disruptor II a radius of 52km 54000/1906=28.33158 So not counting acceleration it would take you slightly over 28 seconds to clear the bubble, though not counting the distance from the bubble when you enter the system. Thankfully most gate-camps are of, what I would refer to as, the unorganized variety. Against an organized camp your best bet is an interceptor and to hope to get out of scramble range of their 'ceptors before they react and stay ahead of them afterwards until you clear the bubble. That and pray the enemy haven't spread their ceptor's and placed multiple bubbles. An unpleasant (and oft unrealized) side issue is that interceptors have a warp speed of 9au/s meaning they can get ahead of just about anyone they can head after (having used look at target as soon as the target de-cloaks.) Sure, they can't get you on the exit gate but unless the distance between gates is very short they can get another ***** at you in the next system. Cov-ops are faster (13.5au/s) and blockade runners are equal in speed, but it's worth noting if your flying something a little slower in the hyperspace velocity department. [EDIT: Dear Word-Filter, leave my c.r.a.c.k alone, kthxbye.]
boogabugu	Posted - 2007.10.14 04:36:00 - [32] Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf Edited by: Daelin Blackleaf on 14/10/2007 04:18:20 Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel Well, My cov ops have run very well organised gatecamps quite a few times. The MWD+Cov Ops Cloak technique (or MWD+Stealthbomber) works quite well unless they have simply massive amounts of ships, or if they're lucky (most gatecamps are just 4-20 people with reinforcements nearby). Just remember to switch directions once you've cloaked! It doesn't take too much brains to figure where a ship is if it remains on the same course as when it cloaked. So initially set your course either directly for the gate or out of the bubble, and then switch to a random direction after you've cloaked. Space is big, and once you've moved 10+ km away from where you cloaked it will take alot of luck to decloak you. A Crow with a single SBII fitted has a scan res of 1376mm the Cheetah has a sig-radius of 46 10000/1376/ASINH(46)=1.607163 Thats a lock time of 1.6 seconds (2 seconds without the SBII and 2.6 without any skills.) A max skilled triple nano-stabII MWDII Cheetah has a speed of 1906 the Large Modile Warp Disruptor II a radius of 52km 54000/1906=28.33158 So not counting acceleration it would take you slightly over 28 seconds to clear the bubble, though not counting the distance from the bubble when you enter the system. Thankfully most gate-camps are of, what I would refer to as, the unorganized variety. Against an organized camp your best bet is an interceptor and to hope to get out of scramble range of their 'ceptors before they react and stay ahead of them afterwards until you clear the bubble. That and pray the enemy haven't spread their ceptor's and placed multiple bubbles. An unpleasant (and oft unrealized) side issue is that interceptors have a warp speed of 9au/s meaning they can get ahead of just about anyone they can head after (having used look at target as soon as the target de-cloaks.) Sure, they can't get you on the exit gate but unless the distance between gates is very short they can get another ***** at you in the next system. Cov-ops are faster (13.5au/s) and blockade runners are equal in speed, but it's worth noting if your flying something a little slower in the hyperspace velocity department. [EDIT: Dear Word-Filter, leave my c.r.a.c.k alone, kthxbye.] Firstly, all races have two interceptors, one moving at 9 au/s and one at 13.5 au/s. Secondly, blockade runners do not move at the same velocity as covert ops, blockade runners movet at 9 au/s Thirdly, it doesn't matter if the covert ops pilot can be locked in 1.6 seconds, decloaking for movement and recloaking takes less than half a second if done right, and then they can't be locked. As to which ships go through gatecamps best, speaking from personal experience, I've run over a dozen bubblecamps moving from empire to Syndicate and back, and haven't lost my Pilgrim once. And that's with a standard pvp fitting, no nanos or stabs.
Hannobaal Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.10.14 04:41:00 - [33] Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf A Crow with a single SBII fitted has a scan res of 1376mm the Cheetah has a sig-radius of 46 10000/1376/ASINH(46)=1.607163 Thats a lock time of 1.6 seconds (2 seconds without the SBII and 2.6 without any skills.) A max skilled triple nano-stabII MWDII Cheetah has a speed of 1906 the Large Modile Warp Disruptor II a radius of 52km 54000/1906=28.33158 So not counting acceleration it would take you slightly over 28 seconds to clear the bubble, though not counting the distance from the bubble when you enter the system. What does it matter how long it takes to leave the bubble compared to an interceptor's locking time? You can't lock something that is cloaked, and the cov ops pilot is only going to be uncloaked for a fraction of a second. In the time it takes the cov ops pilot to break his cloak (from having just jumped in) by heading off in a set direction, turn on his afterburner/mwd (preferably afterburner on a cov ops) and turn on his cov ops cloak, a Crow will never have time to lock him. The only thing that might possibly be (maybe) able to do it is a stiletto with 2 sensor boosters on him piloted by someone with excellent reaction time. Other than that the only hope is to get in close and decloak before he gets out of the bubble and warps off, and that is very difficult to do unless you have an army of interceptors and other fast ships around.
Atius Tirawa Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.14 04:56:00 - [34] Cov ops with MWD and Cloak. decloak with an alighn, MWD then Cloak asap - exit bubble and hit warp. It takes a lot of luck to catch one.
Kael Zeratul Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.14 05:02:00 - [35] Originally by: Jacques Archambault off the bat I'd say an interceptor (Edit: +nanos). Before anyone gets a lock on you, you can be out of harms way. Then again, with a Cov ops ship, you might not be as fast, but if you do it right you can maneuver around things which could cause you to decloak - its more of a rush perhaps??? -Jacques No you will end up getting session change in progress and get blown to pieces and then get our logs show nothing sorry, and have a nice day.
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.10.14 05:13:00 - [36] Edited by: cal nereus on 14/10/2007 05:13:07 A shuttle, unless said gatecamp has bubbles. Then I'd say Cov Ops. --- Join BH-DL
Graharan Caldari Minmatar Marines 5th Column	Posted - 2007.10.14 05:27:00 - [37] Ibis. When you get podded, you'll get a new one where your clone is.
Daelin Blackleaf No Joy Corp Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.14 14:04:00 - [38] I was under the impression the cloaking device treated the entire bubble as an object and couldn't cloak until clear. My mistake. As for the other issues: 1st Don't nitpick, the point about warp speed remains the same. 2nd Did I say they had the same velocity as cov-ops... no, when I said equal in speed I meant equal to the interceptor as the sentence structure suggested. 3rd The 13.5au/s interceptors make catching anyone solo on the next gate rather complicated as they don't have the slots for a web meaning the target can MWD back to the gate. Do wrecks and cans still decloak Cov-Ops?
heheheh The Scope	Posted - 2007.10.14 14:21:00 - [39] Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf Nothing gets through a well organized 0.0 gate-camp solo. Bring excessive force or have a buddy/alt scout for you, those really are the only acceptable answers. Damn dude you must be a rubbish pilot.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.14 14:41:00 - [40] Speed setup cov ops with mwd. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Daelin Blackleaf No Joy Corp Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.15 01:28:00 - [41] Originally by: heheheh Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf Nothing gets through a well organized 0.0 gate-camp solo. Bring excessive force or have a buddy/alt scout for you, those really are the only acceptable answers. Damn dude you must be a rubbish pilot. I noes, I can't even pilot a Cov-Ops. sob Seriously though, Ive never seen anyone get through the best set-up gatecamps (multiple bubble, good tacklers, etc.) I was wondering how we kept managing to kill Cov-Ops when it's so "easy" to make it through with one, and figured it must be a case of the wrecks, cans, etc stopping them from cloaking, having them locked and scrammed before they can make it out of range, or perhaps just the average Cov-Ops pilot being utterly incompetent.
Thiago Aldanna	Posted - 2007.10.15 02:09:00 - [42] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Nanoship + MWD + cloak + MWD + WTZ. + Large bubble + no support = Owned. ..unless you go 'back' to the gate.
Tassadar Beta Amarr BIG Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.10.15 02:18:00 - [43] I use my crusader, it does 16,000 m/s and can hit that speed in a couple of seconds. Its by far the safest ship I have at clearing gate camps. Of course my carrier is a far safer way of getting past them, but that isn't what you are looking for . A covert ops ship is also a very viable way of escaping, my top two types of ship would be interceptor > cov ops. Each has its own merits but I prefer the inty when trying to get away, as one lucky orbit could decloak my cov ops.
Hannobaal Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.10.15 02:21:00 - [44] Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf I noes, I can't even pilot a Cov-Ops. sob Seriously though, Ive never seen anyone get through the best set-up gatecamps (multiple bubble, good tacklers, etc.) I was wondering how we kept managing to kill Cov-Ops when it's so "easy" to make it through with one, and figured it must be a case of the wrecks, cans, etc stopping them from cloaking, having them locked and scrammed before they can make it out of range, or perhaps just the average Cov-Ops pilot being utterly incompetent. The only cov ops I've lost was while undocking and there was a can or something right at the undock preventing me from warping (before they made it so you go right through them) to my undock. Just today I went through several camps in my Cheetah, and one of them (on the Taisy gate) with lots of fast ships buzzing around and hordes of drones. A Vagabond did pass at 4 km distance at one point, but I made it out. I've never lost a stealth bomber except while engaged in combat. I've never lost a cloaking interceptor, and barring some kind of situation with a game bug messing something up, a major lag spike hitting, or an unexpected smartbomber on the gate - I really don't see how it could ever be possible for me to lose one in any gate camp out there. Cloaking pilots that get caught in gate camps are either very unlucky or very unexperienced.
Anila's Delight	Posted - 2007.10.15 02:34:00 - [45] I came and went through the same 60 man goonswarm gatecamp 4 times in a cloaked crow and I have crappy skill points. Originally by: Altrex Conclusive proof ladies and gentlemen that WoW kills brain cells.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.10.15 02:57:00 - [46] Edited by: Plutoinum on 15/10/2007 03:03:38 Originally by: Hannobaal Even my Nemesis that only has a cloak and no mwd or afterburner (and can't warp cloaked once outside the bubble like a cov ops can) has run through large gate camps with several interceptors and interdictors on many occasions. Anyway risky except you got some speeds. If ceptor pilots aren't to sleepy and aware, that a cloaker jumps in, they double click next to the point, where you appear and mwd right into your uncloak range. Besides that they got a nice line to the position, where you cloaked, if they had the tactical overview open and selected you before you cloaked. So yes, the covert-ops plus mwd trick might work nice, I've only used it on a viator so far. But without it, I would have more trust in a fast interceptor. If you burn back to the gate, the biggest danger is to screw it up and bounce of course, then you are dead. But Ive magically survived already a 10-man camp with a Tempest mwd'ing back to the gate. Everyone aggressed, I jumped out and noone could follow. Hehe. But that is luck ofc.
Andreya	Posted - 2007.10.15 03:15:00 - [47] i am able to decloak usualllly around 70% of covert ops that come through my gates that i bubble.... good luck. inty/vaga are the safest ships, by far covert ops with MWDs if used right are nearly impossible
Vitrael Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.15 03:25:00 - [48] Originally by: Kyoto Rose Every heard of the Blockade Runner class? I regularly fly with multiple billion in my hold. I just added you to my address book.
Sorum Daemoth Insidious Existence Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.15 03:44:00 - [49] Edited by: Sorum Daemoth on 15/10/2007 03:43:55 in 0.0, blockade runners are a nono due to bubbles, cloaking ships are often uncloaked by the merceliss sabres, and shuttles die more times then oxide on the weekends. however it is nice when you got a crow, or ares or claw with snakes doing 13-20km/s to survive, not many thing catch that. just get in a fast ceptor and fly out of trouble. *You just got WTF EXIT ganked!*
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.10.15 04:22:00 - [50] dictor camp: I'd choose an inty or vaga with cloak bubble camp (large bubble): cheetah MWD on & align, cloak immediately. Inty/vaga gets you 40+km from the gate before you slow down. isn't it funny how some people advocate both GTC<=>ISK trades and EVE being superior due to its cruelty and costly losses, when they use the former to circumvent the latter?
Traidoor	Posted - 2007.10.15 04:58:00 - [51] Edited by: Traidoor on 15/10/2007 05:02:57 "What ship has the greatest chance of surviving a gate camp?" the ships doing the camping i'd guess? or if you're not being pedantic, cov-ops edit: ooops, logged into an alt. main is 'shiodome; BS.i; CoW' for those thst get terribly upset by such things.
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2007.10.15 06:47:00 - [52] A Titan. Sod the jump drive. Still a Titan!
Kale Kold Caldari V i r u s	Posted - 2007.10.15 15:19:00 - [53] Originally by: Kyoto Rose Every heard of the Blockade Runner class? I regularly fly with multiple billion in my hold. Please fly through Jan. website \| killboard
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente The JORG Corporation Methods of Mayhem Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.15 15:31:00 - [54] Low sec because there are no interdictor bubbles id say a cov ops cos you can cloak and warp unless your unlucky enough to be sitting right next to a hostile ship from your gate jump in. 0.0 id proly say an interceptor would 9 out of 10 times get through but as ppl have said a camp with a sensor boosted huggin and arazu would maybe catch you before you got clear of the bubble. A cov ops in 0.0 depends on the camps ships and preparations plus your pilot skills and ability in a cov ops to blink on then off the mwd then cloak like lightning before ppl get a lock on you so you can burn out of the bubble quicker and go to warp. My views may represent those of my corp/alliance but you will have to ask em to be sure.
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2007.10.15 15:32:00 - [55] There are many that can pass a gate camp. But is there one that can pass it AND do the job you need to get done once you have passed it? And is there one that can pass a low sec camp in particular without the obligatory 22 campers immediately laying into you about not "fighting like a man"? -- Any views or opinions expressed are only the ones I want to ram down your throat.
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente The JORG Corporation Methods of Mayhem Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.15 15:39:00 - [56] Originally by: Gaven Blands There are many that can pass a gate camp. But is there one that can pass it AND do the job you need to get done once you have passed it? And is there one that can pass a low sec camp in particular without the obligatory 22 campers immediately laying into you about not "fighting like a man"? 1) it depends on the job 2) I doubt it but thats a player issue and as a pirate who on occasion has been known to camp a gate or 2 i say good luck to anybody who gets past the remote rep/sensor boosted huggins and arazus plus all the other ships we tend to camp a gate with. My views may represent those of my corp/alliance but you will have to ask em to be sure.
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.10.15 15:47:00 - [57] Originally by: Kyoto Rose Every heard of the Blockade Runner class? I regularly fly with multiple billion in my hold. I've personally bumped a blockade runner with more effective stabs than my gang had points and we got him. You keep doing that though. ----------- Support fixing the EVE UI
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.10.15 16:03:00 - [58] Did anyone say "a blue ship" yet? ...i guess i'm too late for this... My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.15 16:05:00 - [59] Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf perhaps just the average Cov-Ops pilot being utterly incompetent. Correct. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.15 16:17:00 - [60] Ares - 2 overdrives + 2 warp core stabs + MWD (ofc) Your fast enough to run from the fast locking big ships and they need 3 fast inties to catch you. --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 800mhh 4-4-4-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home.

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