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Havok Pierce
Gallente D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.26 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: ZeroMbutCannotJump Here is my contribution. I painstakingly went through all the already accepted contacts I could find and made an excel spreadsheet. Tons of contracts are up and waiting for more reverse transfers to occur. I noticed the names for the most part follow a similar convention. Two words, first is capital and second is not. Random nouns, sometimes with a strange adjective thrown in. All sound weird and very "babel fish Asian" like. I opened convo with one and pasted some romanized Chinese. He replied within 10 seconds with some complicated stuff...no idea what it means.
Anyways, here is the list:
Name / Age / Corp / ISK "donated"
scene obtains ....16dSWA120 Appropriately shows ....16dSWA50 Swims across ....16dSWA70 Diligent me ....20dSWA160 Bans entire ....20dSWA110 Evaluation because ....20dSWA70 Makes you ....30dSWA230 Financial department ....1m 1dPTS Excessive you ....1m 2dSWA110 Increases Uniform ....1m 3dSWA245 Machine cat ....1m 3dSWA200 Machine cat ....1m 3dSWA200 may read .... 1m 3dSWA126 Punishes pulls ....1m 3dSWA30 Chest cavity ....1m 3dSWA199 granulated substance ....1m 3dSWA260 Right seizes ....1m 3dSWA140 Expanded eye ....1m 3dSWA120 recompenses ....1m 3dSWA90 Greatly happy .... 1m 3dSWA580 Cartridge case ....1m 3dSWA100 Opens pleasure ....1m 3dSWA100 Opens pleasure ....1m 3dSWA100 Assembly hall ....1m 3dSWA102 Origin you ....1m 3dSWA78 Practices divination ....1m 3dSWA140 Geography law ....1m 3dSWA175 Resists stubbornly ....1m 3dSWA292 Thinks every ....1m 3dSWA199 Sigh magnetism ....1m 3dSWA120 has you ....1m 3dSWA100 Publication ....1m 3dSWA100 Military person ....1m 3dSWA270 Doublet smoke ....1m 3dSWA200 Law net ....1m 3dSWA113 Pleasure place ....1m 3dSWA50 pressure energy ....1m 3dSWA140 Regardless minute ....1m 3dSWA89 Unimpeded ....1m 3dSWA105 Micrometer calipers ....1m 3dSWA200 Sikong race ....1m 3dSWA200
Sorry for the horrible formating. Anyways, who knows how much these people have actually made and sold (Only CCP, if they wanted)... this could be only one of their transaction methods...and only one of their "nodes."
A good chunk of those characters are macrohaulers in Murtherand (esp Appropriately shows), I've blown up 4-5 of their identically-fit bestowers all carrying mission goods.
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Reverend Revelator
Elite Storm Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.10.26 18:38:00 -
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Sooooo, I got an evemail from 4 out of 6 my agents in Loes, that they were moving somewhere else and quitting the agent bidniss.
I confirmed that that 3 out of lvl 4 q20 agents are not giving out missions, and 1 out of the 2 lvl 30 q20 ditto.
Pretty fast nerf imo, comments?
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Saphros
Minmatar Lone Gunmen
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Posted - 2007.10.26 18:51:00 -
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I fear that the agents in Orfrold VII - Moon 8 - Poteque Pharmaceuticals Biotech Production needs to investigate the pod pilots they are hiring at the moement. I suspect long working hours and lack of union influence.
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Drykor
Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.10.26 19:24:00 -
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Yeah, have a look at low sec metropolis between Ualkin and Hror and surroundings, plenty of hauler chars that never talk, always move together, only drop mission loot, proceed the same way after they get their ship blown up, have ******** names, etc etc. But it's obvious CCP doesn't care.
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Sellerella2
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Posted - 2007.10.26 20:07:00 -
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Should we start a new thread to grab CCP's attention? Feel like that's the only way to get anything done. Anyways, there is a new isk bank by the name of *with milk*. His depositors are:
smallturret aodaman Superhuman Li Publication Vera nicard poiew camenozjl Sigh magnetism has you registered permanent Leap Forward Diligent me Evaluation because Bans entire Appropriately shows Pleasure place Practices divination Geography law Thinks every Military person Doublet smoke Closed river Grand opening Jams many Bill exchange periodical stops Passenger vechicle Eats opens Micrometer calipers Sikong race Visting team Opens situation Cartidge case Makes you scene obtains thimage pressure energy fahaiheshang Regardless minute Law net Unimpeded Kilogram stomach Presses buckles Start spacially Jin Jisi periodical pays Relocation of stomach anger Seeks Shi Pomfu
Jesus that is as lot. The sad part is all but the banker are paying accounts. Think CCP will ban em?
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Sellerella2
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Posted - 2007.10.26 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler Well, we don't announce these things very often, but we've banned the people involved in this "Large Scale Criminal Activity".
What a bummer =/ Caught CCP in it's first lie. My innocence is lost.
Almost all of the characters previously listed are still in game (and on my new list). I guess that's all we need to know about how much CCP cares. Yes, now we understand why you don't publish your successes with banning farmers/sellers - because well, you don't.
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Pooka
Caldari United Space Aillance USA
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Posted - 2007.10.26 21:51:00 -
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Edited by: Pooka on 26/10/2007 21:53:32
Originally by: Sellerella2
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Well, we don't announce these things very often, but we've banned the people involved in this "Large Scale Criminal Activity".
What a bummer =/ Caught CCP in it's first lie. My innocence is lost.
Almost all of the characters previously listed are still in game (and on my new list). I guess that's all we need to know about how much CCP cares. Yes, now we understand why you don't publish your successes with banning farmers/sellers - because well, you don't.
Wonder which alliance these ISK framing ALTs work for Wasn't there one MAJOR alliance that was romured to sell ISK on e-bay Tatins aren't cheap yopu know... PROMISES MADE PROMISES KEPT IT IS HAPPENING AGAIN...TRUST NO ONE
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Loyal Servant
Caldari Viper Intel Squad Pure.
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Posted - 2007.10.27 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: Saphros I fear that the agents in Orfrold VII - Moon 8 - Poteque Pharmaceuticals Biotech Production needs to investigate the pod pilots they are hiring at the moement. I suspect long working hours and lack of union influence.
Real or a joke? If that is real, instead of banning the farmers they just shut the agents down and leave the farmers to keep farming elsewhere?
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Ess Erbe
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.10.27 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Sellerella2
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Well, we don't announce these things very often, but we've banned the people involved in this "Large Scale Criminal Activity".
What a bummer =/ Caught CCP in it's first lie. My innocence is lost.
Almost all of the characters previously listed are still in game (and on my new list). I guess that's all we need to know about how much CCP cares. Yes, now we understand why you don't publish your successes with banning farmers/sellers - because well, you don't.
I really want Wrangler to comment on this.
Did you flat out lie, or are you actually in the process of preparing a megaban?
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Loyal Servant
Caldari Viper Intel Squad Pure.
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Posted - 2007.10.27 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ess Erbe
I really want Wrangler to comment on this.
Did you flat out lie, or are you actually in the process of preparing a megaban?
Good luck on that one. They like ISK.... why ban paying customers? They would ban a smartbombing raven in jita before an isk farmer.
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Draycar Hazaran
Uninvited Guests
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Posted - 2007.10.27 18:27:00 -
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Get this fixed CCP... |
Secretary
Bargain consumables
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Posted - 2007.10.28 00:09:00 -
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The bagmen get banned. The farmers don't. That's fine. It's good. If the bagmen get banned after the isk is in their wallets but before they can actually sell it then they lose all the man / bot hours that go into farming it. Bearing in mind the farmers probably buy GTC through secure ccp approved trade they can keep farming forever building up a surplus of isk as they have done for free.
It's neither rational or reasonable to ban accounts because they run missions and accept stupid auctions.
Only real way to cut down on real cash to isk conversion is to either 1. ban people who buy isk as well as those selling killing the market for black market isk 2. create better systems for detecting automation of clients reducing the isk generated by bot farmers or 3. creating new npc corps which can be wardecced that you are moved to if you have more than 2 million skillpoints. Strongly encouraging players with the ability to make large amounts of isk to move into real player corps even if they have to make them 1 man corps and opening up everyone who can earn lots of isk to the risk of warfare. Not a vastly popular idea i'm guessing but it would certainly put an end to the macromining hulk pilots i seem to find in every highsec ice belt. ---------------------------
The signature. Here i can type my Bio.
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Sellerella2
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Posted - 2007.10.28 01:12:00 -
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That makes no sense. Don't ban people for buying stupid auctions? You do realize these are the farmers right? Their *only* purpose is to get isk to sell. Why again should they not be banned? Sure they'll only make new accounts, but it sets em back a little bit. And could *actually* show the playerbase they are trying. Rather than just having CCP Wrangler come here to throw us a line to make us happy, thinking we are too stupid to see the characters weren't banned. Damn, CCP must think we are pretty stupid customers.
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Stakhanov
The Good Fellas
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Posted - 2007.10.28 03:04:00 -
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Originally by: Reverend Revelator Sooooo, I got an evemail from 4 out of 6 my agents in Loes, that they were moving somewhere else and quitting the agent bidniss.
I confirmed that that 3 out of lvl 4 q20 agents are not giving out missions, and 1 out of the 2 lvl 30 q20 ditto.
Pretty fast nerf imo, comments?
Interesting. That would explain why we see farmers all over the place , trying new agents apparently.
Oh well , I should manage to get those T2 rails before trinity... then hope it's still possible to lock bestowers in time from out of sentry range.
Originally by: F'nog One does not simply log into Jita.
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Pango Ein
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Posted - 2007.10.28 03:17:00 -
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The Isk Farmer/Bagman/Node "Actor" has made his second round of financing today using contracts. I guess he does not have anything to worry about any more.
It seems this operation has the approval of ccp, if so can someone tell me where all the isk goes?
For those not paying attention, search for the player "Actor" and press the Show Contracts button on his Character Info Page. He is auctioning single units of ammo for 100-400M Isk each and makes 5-10B Isk per day. And all the buyers are repeat buyers. And he is 4 days old, ie. a disposable alt.
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F90OEX
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Posted - 2007.10.28 04:39:00 -
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I've asked and asked, same isk farmers in the same systems, isk spammers non stop in the channels.
IMO CCP have done sweet FA about it ....
How many times do we have to ask for something to be done, especially the channels
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Loyal Servant
Caldari Viper Intel Squad Pure.
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Posted - 2007.10.28 05:01:00 -
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I have learned in my 2 years of hunting isk farmers and macro miners that as long as you pay, you get to play.
They are either: A. Unable to do anything about it. B. Don't care as long as their wallets are lined with gold. C. They do things that we cannot even see that just simply do not dent the quantity of farmers in eve, they are inept.
This is, for all intents and purposes, cheating. The argument that they ban the receiver of the isk and not the suppliers because 'they did nothing wrong' just does not hold any water.
As a matter of fact, that argument that they just blindly give their isk every day unknowingly to another player to 'be nice guys' is just complete and utter fracking BS.
Sure, they might be 'following' the isk trail to see who it goes to next but it won't be long before they start trading outside of the public eye in transfers at stations. They will trade 1 rocket for 1 billion isk in the station now is all....
Truth is, guys like Voogro, myself, and anti-isk farmer corps/alliances like UCAM do not have to chase farmers. We don't even get paid, and we have been NERFED by CCP.
They don't want us shooting their precious isk farmers.
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Loyal Servant
Caldari Viper Intel Squad Pure.
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Posted - 2007.10.28 05:03:00 -
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Edited by: Loyal Servant on 28/10/2007 05:03:45
Originally by: F90OEX
How many times do we have to ask for something to be done, especially the channels
AFAIK, CCP only seem to respond to threadnaughts like from redfleet or the t20 incident, or the cloak nerf.... When there are massive quantities of upset people trashing the boards they tend to listen more.
When it is civil they read it once and maybe the first pag or 2 of the thread then it's a dead issue and they move on.
Oh, and they say they ban people but really don't
Edit: its too late and i'm fumbling the kb..
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Jaxxon Voers
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Posted - 2007.10.28 07:09:00 -
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about half your list is online in the Resbroko system right now. I might have to shoot a few if I see them out of the station
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Jobby
Minmatar UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2007.10.28 07:44:00 -
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/me does the obligatory bump. This is amazing.
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Sawny Bean
Xeno Tech Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.28 08:54:00 -
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Wool over the eyes is not "working as intended."
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Saphros
Minmatar Lone Gunmen
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Posted - 2007.10.28 09:28:00 -
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As far as I can figure, the best (or perhaps the only) way to deal with the farmer pests are to either replace NPC corporations or some way force people out of them after a few days.
There is in reality no need to stay in a NPC corporation for longer then a few days. Starting and running your own corporation doesnÆt take that much time/effort. IÆm sure thereÆs a possibility to start a ætime to create your own corporation tutorialÆ after a week or so.
IÆve suggested this earlier, but why not gradually raise the tax rate in NPC corporations from day one? After a week of playing youÆll get an question if you like to start the æform your own corporation- tutorial, where Aurora will ask you something in the lines of æDonÆt you think youÆre old enough to start your own business, these jerks at XXX-corporation are morons who are ripping you offÆ
Yes it would be a bit demanding, and yes it would require youÆre not a complete idiot, but itÆs time to raise the high jump bar a bit or EVE will end up like the majority of todayÆs online games; uninteresting and unchallenging.
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Jaxxon Voers
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Posted - 2007.10.28 10:36:00 -
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so we spent some time killing a few of them...no response, no real cargo to speak of...lots of single ammo, single frozen food crap...
we did see some really cool tactics used against us. I especially enjoyed the sacrificial lamb. That is a nice technique. One shuttle up at about 15km, everyone locks in on him since its so hard to catch those damn things anyways...and then other shuttles about 15s behind him. Very clean operation.
armed escort, you look good in a pod.
CCP, this is the most shameful thing yet. For your own pride this problem should be addressed. If it were my company, I would make things like this a priority over even content. At some point people are gonna go past being jaded and just give up on you.
All of this stuff was running from Hek out thru Hjor and into lowsec from there. I would love to see everyone come spend some quality time at least interfering with the effortless money laundering these assclowns are doing. Maybe we could make that whole little section of space a blue zone for honest players, and a no-limit kill zone for anyone with a toon under 45d old in a starter corp. Yeah a few newbs might suffer for it, but 99% of what we saw out there deserved to get shot.
We saw maybe 40 different names, all had suspicious contract history. The same 150m ISK ammo rounds...including a bunch i recognized from the list that was supposedly banned earlier in the thread.
Guy named Actor is a new hub.
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Donald Trump
Minmatar Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.10.28 10:56:00 -
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Nice one CCP....
This isnt just the macrohaulers doing it, its everywhere, in all 0.0 space, in every missionhub you find isk farmers accepting odd contracts from golden leader or finacial legion (or simalar names) who are isk laundering backmen probaly paying some RL cash for them accepting stupid contracts.
Problem is that this is so profitable to resell isk for the market that when you ban one, he will just come back with a new char or a new guy takes his place. In my limited brain I could see that if you banned enough isk sellers and backmen to get the price of the isk they sell at gtc level, you would start to see them leaving, because they couldnt compete with the legal gtcs.
Interesting to see that they are removing the hauler agents tho, I always thought all those farmers must been like gold for ccp, producing quite small amounts of isk per hauler than for example a 0.0 raven ratting 23/7. Nice to see some action being taken, tho saying that youve banned some chars, when you really havent isnt looking good.
My petition would be for ccp to give us some clear line of what we players can do towards this problem, like saying that reporting the odd names giving out some t1 items for 200m, which gets accepted seconds after, will truly be looked into. Maybe a little report every month on how many you've banned and how much isk youve removed to give us a little feeling that we're helping a little atleast by reporting such chars.
When something is being widely used by the iskfarmer comunity, its probaly so good that it should be toned down.
0.0 Ravens (good torp change, still cloak problem to kill em) Mission ravens (completely invulnerable, not much affected by torp nerf) Haulers in lowsec (removing agents?) Big mining blobs in highsec (was some good idea coming up to get rid of em?)
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Secretary
Bargain consumables
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Posted - 2007.10.28 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Sellerella2 That makes no sense. Don't ban people for buying stupid auctions? You do realize these are the farmers right? Their *only* purpose is to get isk to sell. Why again should they not be banned? Sure they'll only make new accounts, but it sets em back a little bit.
Well, in the case of the characters i named who have repeatedly purchased 1 unit of ammo or tradegoods from a node character there's a lot of circumstantial evidence. It would certainly set the farmers back if their 1 year old isk farmers were banned for links to Isk selling. The problem is that these characters do what genuine players do, they run missions and buy stuff to support missions, they buy and sell assets and apart from the funny auctions they're indistinguishable from a real player to a database query. Maybe ccp have run a query to find out what the farmer population of eve is and the number is just so high that they cannot bear to lose all those subscription fees. ---------------------------
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Hellspawn01
Amarr Shadow Rebellion
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Posted - 2007.10.28 12:02:00 -
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Just wait till you get banned and tell CCP that if those ppl can cheat/exploit/break eula then they cant ban you. Either rules are for everyone or for nobody.
All eve pilots are even. But some pilots are more even than others. (it seems)
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Loyal Servant
Caldari Viper Intel Squad Pure.
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Posted - 2007.10.28 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Hellspawn01 Just wait till you get banned and tell CCP that if those ppl can cheat/exploit/break eula then they cant ban you. Either rules are for everyone or for nobody.
All eve pilots are even. But some pilots are more even than others. (it seems)
Sure they can, and they will. Farmers = $$$ for CCP
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Sellerella2
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Posted - 2007.10.28 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Secretary Maybe ccp have run a query to find out what the farmer population of eve is and the number is just so high that they cannot bear to lose all those subscription fees.
And that's the conclusion I've drawn. I was able to find 30 or more accounts off of 1 banker. People here are listing a few more bankers. which means even more accounts. Next thing you know we are talking about an actual percentage of the paid Eve accounts, and I honestly believe this is why CCP doesn't do anything. If CCP has decided they want the subscription fees, fine, just make the playerbase aware of that so I can decide if I'd like to continue supporting a game like this. What p*sses me off is when a CCP employee comes here and blatantly lies to us, a lie which *any* Eve player with two brain cells to rub together can verify is a lie. Not only does CCP not care how we feel about the isk farmers, they think we are pretty stupid too.
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Pango Ein
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Posted - 2007.10.28 18:42:00 -
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The Isk Farmer/Bagman/Node "with milk" has returned and has made his second round of financing today using contracts. All the usual buyers made their purchase however they are slow to claim the mad loot they bought(1 round of Iridium Charge L for 100M isk each).
Can anyone tell me what they do with all this Isk?
For those not paying attention, search for the character "with milk" and press the Show Contracts button on his Character Info Page. He is auctioning single units of ammo for 100-400M Isk each and makes 5-10B Isk per day. And all the buyers are repeat buyers. And he is 5 days old, ie. a disposable alt(or maybe he bought a GTC and became a "paying" account).
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Cruthensis
Gallente Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2007.10.28 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: voogru I think my new sig fits this thread well.
Indeed.
I'm not sure which of these is most sickening for me:
1. ISK farmers all over the place making the game 'smell' bad. 2. ISK buyers evidently still buying ISK in large enough amounts to support the massive numbers of farmers. 3. The strange disparity between what CCP say about ISK farmers and what they seem to do (or not) about them. 4. The people who profess to love this game yet in the same breath, defend ISK farmers for being poor and ISK buyers for not having enough time to play. (I'm looking at you Vaden and co )
The oft quoted 'they don't want to lose subscriptions' still looks to be the likely reason we still have so many 23/7 characters 'playing' this game.
Personally, I do like the idea of allowing them to farm a load of ISK, only to remove it, without trace or explanation.
(ps Voogru:I want it as my sig! Can I link to it? Pretty please.)
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