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Sorted Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.10.20 09:55:00 - [31] Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Curzon Dax 1)Well, at this point, I gave the CEO a few choice words about how he was the CEO, and needed to take charge and act like it. ..... 2)Now, I understand that berating a CEO in front of the corp isn't politically wise. I spoke up, and got kicked from the corp. Seems like he took your advice to heart Personally id hire some merc to pop their 0.0 prescence SKUNK lol - and looks at the time - /me does the finger noise thingy Mick Dundee (corcodile dundee) stlyeee..... wierd.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.10.20 10:06:00 - [32] Originally by: Sorted Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Curzon Dax 1)Well, at this point, I gave the CEO a few choice words about how he was the CEO, and needed to take charge and act like it. ..... 2)Now, I understand that berating a CEO in front of the corp isn't politically wise. I spoke up, and got kicked from the corp. Seems like he took your advice to heart Personally id hire some merc to pop their 0.0 prescence SKUNK lol - and looks at the time - /me does the finger noise thingy Mick Dundee (corcodile dundee) stlyeee..... wierd. Im sorry i refuse to watch any Paul Hogan film apart from "crocodile dundee in L.A" So i do not get your reference SKUNK
Sorted Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.10.20 10:10:00 - [33] Edited by: Sorted on 20/10/2007 10:10:55 nvm skunky. the reference didnt make much sense anyways tbqfh. EDIT: Appologies for the kinda hijack. back to the OP: Hire assassins!
Gladiator Jonny Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.10.20 10:13:00 - [34] Originally by: Curzon Dax Edited by: Curzon Dax on 20/10/2007 00:57:52 Suggestions? Join REPO
cRazYf1St House of Tempers	Posted - 2007.10.20 13:02:00 - [35] Edited by: cRazYf1St on 20/10/2007 13:02:23 this happens to many ppl all the time so just get over it..... oh yea and don't join hot we have no idea what were doing all the time *********************************************** OMFG YARRRR!?!?!?!?!
Arthin Mutin Vigilantes Rubb	Posted - 2007.10.20 13:54:00 - [36] Join my noob corp Pump isk into me watch me turn into uber solo pwn mobile Let me loose killing them all!! ???? profit How do you like my business plan?
Insomnium Minmatar the united	Posted - 2007.10.20 14:02:00 - [37] what you obviously need to do is hire samurai to kill them. cause everyone knows samurai > ninjas ------------------------------------ If you define cowardice as running away at the first sign of danger, screaming and tripping and begging for mercy, then yes, Mr. Brave man, I guess I'm a coward
Lucia Warbler Eve University	Posted - 2007.10.20 18:01:00 - [38] Form a corporation of your own and use your celebrity status to draw goonloads of pilots into it. You can call all the shots or be a democracy if you wish.
Shadow Researcher	Posted - 2007.10.20 18:16:00 - [39] Edited by: Shadow Researcher on 20/10/2007 18:18:28 Originally by: Insomnium what you obviously need to do is hire samurai to kill them. cause everyone knows samurai > ninjas Actually the RL wold ninjas chopped samurai like sushi
General Apocalypse Amarr Ship Research	Posted - 2007.10.20 18:17:00 - [40] Oh ya and whatever you do don't pay one isk to the losers that beg for it in this topic. You'll end up whit less isk an no result . Hire a merc captain if you want to get you the right mercs for the job . Originally by: CCP Morpheus nerf ccp plz Originally by: CCP Oveur To the gankmobile!
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.20 18:31:00 - [41] gah torn loyalties on the one hand, Feng is awesome on the other Curzon is a fellow forum warrior well you can always hang your shingle at HsC if you are willing to not be a ebil pirate I'm currently involved in medical research, concerning the therapuetic aspects of a swift kick in the rear What do zombies and forum posters have in common? They like to sit about and moan!
C4FF Gallente The Ninja Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.20 20:04:00 - [42] Oh, my, god. Curzon i cant believe you actually posted this here. OK the gloves are off. You really wanna know why you were kicked? It's simple: Quote: Curzon Dax > Eriks, would you follow me? Eriks Black > to where? :P Eriks Black > to kill things? yes Curzon Dax > Would you follow my leadership? Curzon Dax > I'm TELLING you how things are going to go. Curzon Dax > I'm going to rejoin the Ninjas, and to the extent that I'm willing to, I'm going to control the Ninjas. Curzon Dax > That's why I joined in the first place - Dodiez noted that there was a lack of leadership and asked me to join to fix it. And to be hounest, for all i care, You can sit in what you ****. C4FF. Space Whale Hunting -
Masu'di Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2007.10.20 20:07:00 - [43] i'd suggest your join Es and Whizz, take some drugs and forget about it :) no seriously, we were chatting on IRC the other day, and we have enough musicians in the corp for a band, just need someone who can write good lyrics. Es and Whizz is recruiting
Dimitry Kalashnikov The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.10.20 22:41:00 - [44] Originally by: Curzon Dax Now, I understand that berating a CEO in front of the corp isn't politically wise. I berated my CEO over the forum in front of 200,000 subscribers. Beat THAT! ============================================== Freelancer 2 Petition
Gladiator Jonny Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.10.20 23:01:00 - [45] Originally by: Masu'di i'd suggest your join Es and Whizz, take some drugs and forget about it :) no seriously, we were chatting on IRC the other day, and we have enough musicians in the corp for a band, just need someone who can write good lyrics. Repo has no singers dont get me wrong, karaoke night on friday... people sometimes sing but, their so drunk they dont actually know it.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.20 23:54:00 - [46] Originally by: C4FF Oh, my, god. Curzon i cant believe you actually posted this here. OK the gloves are off. You really wanna know why you were kicked? It's simple: Quote: Curzon Dax > Eriks, would you follow me? Eriks Black > to where? :P Eriks Black > to kill things? yes Curzon Dax > Would you follow my leadership? Curzon Dax > I'm TELLING you how things are going to go. Curzon Dax > I'm going to rejoin the Ninjas, and to the extent that I'm willing to, I'm going to control the Ninjas. Curzon Dax > That's why I joined in the first place - Dodiez noted that there was a lack of leadership and asked me to join to fix it. And to be hounest, for all i care, You can sit in what you ****. C4FF. C4FF, that's quite an edited and tampered chat log. Sorry man, not guilty. I established from the beginning that I didn't want a leadership position. Ask around. Ask your co-CEO. Or yourself. I told you from the beginning that I didn't want to lead. I rejected the offer. I led ops because you weren't there. I paid mercs to help us in a war because you weren't there. I fit out corp members and helped them at every turn because you weren't there. You abandoned all of us, in the middle of three wars so that you could play Halo 3. You announced it on air, during your show. At which point, we all kind of looked at each other and said, "WTF?" You reappear later, "Curzon, hook me up man." Voila - Navy Megathron for you. Half the corp has recons or stealth bombers on my tab. And when you finally DO reappear, I grab the opportunity to DEMAND that you lead us. You kicked me from the corp because in front of the whole corp, I demanded that you be a leader, take the reigns, and make the Ninjas go somewhere. I've backed you every step of the way everywhere. Eriks has demonstrated his absolute disinterest in loyalty to the Ninjas, and you let Dodiez and I go so that he would rejoin the corp - and you promoted him. He's quite displayed his ability to tell two stories to different people, and now...manipulate logs. Believe what you will - I've ample proof of you how you reward loyalty. Yes my ex-friend - you can indeed sit in what you urinate. You are, and you will be over the rest of your experiment with the Ninjas. This thread exists because you wronged me. I don't know how to make it right, but I WILL get even. So here we are in C&P - the best collection of rogues, pirates, and thieves, so that I can solicit their advice on how to return the favor in kind. Unfortunately, backstabbing isn't on my resume, so I have to get help in dealing with you on your level. You reap what you sow. Yes, I quite think that some appropriate suggestions have been made here. Anyone with more suggestions?
Dodiez Gallente ScaryScaryNoobs	Posted - 2007.10.20 23:59:00 - [47] I kinda like the idea of this corp infiltration person. How does one get into contact with such an individual? I knew that the possibility existed, however I did not know that there were people who actually did this for fun and profit. I'd be interested to hear more about this possibility. I'd imagine it would have to be incredibly stealthy. Now I need a new sig.... :(
Corwain Gallente Down In Flames	Posted - 2007.10.21 00:29:00 - [48] I've had some experience with leading small corps, and I've gotta say in a sandbox game like EVE "leading" a corp is really relative. You screamed at the leadership to "lead" but in EVE I've found a lot of small corps to just be a group of friends who like to do the same type of stuff together. Very few corps really have large overarching "goals" directing their efforts, and that's not really a bad thing. If your goal is "Lets all get together and go try to blow some people up when we all happen to be online" it doesn't mean that the leadership is doing a bad job, it just means the extent of leaderships job is to pay corp bills. I've knows corps to be run by like 5 core members who shift the CEO around as they take sabbaticals and the like. After all running a corp in EVE is almost like a 2nd job, people need to take breaks sometimes, like for instance when a new game comes out that they want to try. Some members in your corp said "Hey, lets try the 0.0 thing for a bit" and you said "If we can't take over a region it's not even worth it for me." To be honest all you really need to survive in 0.0 is some NAPs with the locals and strategic placement of your operation. Sure you might not have the resources to take down POS but you don't have to, just have some friends that can (these can even be made later.) Now, just because you give some expensive "gifts" to people doesn't give you the right to be a*** and start trying to tell them how to run their corp. I expect you weren't booted because you were dissenting so much as you were being a* about everything and doing a lot of moaning, ***ing, and talking behind peoples backs. And just because the corp isn't trying to accomplish anything in particular besides having fun doesn't mean the corp "has no leadership". Seems like you're wanting to move in a different direction than the rest of your corp, so looks like they did you a favor. Now my only suggestion to you is, when you give other people stuff in EVE don't expect it back, and don't expect them to be your slaves once they've got it. -- A Solo Arbitrator vid, Distortion by Corwain
The Hemroid Gallente True Karma	Posted - 2007.10.21 01:12:00 - [49] Originally by: Whineon&on Dax What about me, it isn't fair I've had enough now I want my share Can't you see I wanna live But you just take more But you just take more But you just take more than you give What about me What about me What about me...
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.21 01:18:00 - [50] Curzon, no one cares. No really, we dont need to know about how your imaginary girlfriend stole your soda(or whatever that was) or some random 10 man corp you joined.
Dodiez Gallente ScaryScaryNoobs	Posted - 2007.10.21 01:56:00 - [51] Originally by: Corwain stuff. Look, you don't seem to understand. We joined a corp with a CEO with a vision that we agreed with and we were happy to hang out and do stuff with. I don't care about corps of friends or anything like that. This is about a corp of people we joined and expected certain things out of and were happy to give certain things in return. That's what being in a corp is. Normally, when "leadership" takes a sabbatical (as you put it), they put certain things in place so things don't turn to crap while they're gone, right? That is NOT what happened, and that is where the beef began. I know it's tough to run a corp, but I would never hang a group of people that I recruited out to dry while I went to play a different game. Especially when morale was beginning to be a problem. We were NOT having fun. Curzon never expected anything in return for the stuff he gave the corp. He is bringing it up to show his pattern of behavior; to show that he was in it for the good of the corp. He never expected anything from it. Also, we never ever talked behind anyone's back. Our opinions were voiced for the whole corp to know and we didn't keep anything secret. What's the point of having an opinion if no one knows what it is? I don't play those games. The point of this is not to say "omg, look what happened to me" - it was to ask if something like this was worthy of retaliation. To gather the opinions of you fine people and to ask what you would do in a situation like this. Are we willing to just forget about it? Sure. However, Eve is a game that seems particularly suited to revenge...why not take advantage of this tiny fact? Now I need a new sig.... :(
Dread Operative Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.10.21 02:32:00 - [52] camp their route to 0.0
Corwain Gallente Down In Flames	Posted - 2007.10.21 02:53:00 - [53] Originally by: Dodiez The point of this is not to say "omg, look what happened to me" - it was to ask if something like this was worthy of retaliation. To gather the opinions of you fine people and to ask what you would do in a situation like this. Are we willing to just forget about it? Sure. However, Eve is a game that seems particularly suited to revenge...why not take advantage of this tiny fact? If Curzon feels he's been wronged of course he should get revenge. Him being right or wrong has nothing to do with it, any excuse to cause some damage is fine with this subsection of the forums! If what you say is true and the CEO booted you because he was mininformed then you should have talked it out in private before dragging it out on the forums. Sounds like this is the first time Curzon saw the allegedly edited chatlog, if he's talked to the CEO in convo or through Dodiez he might have figured out this is just a misunderstanding and that the other Director was framing him. Now that he's publicly raked the corp over the coals the CEO is perfectly justified in keeping you two out. I don't think the CEO should be held responsible for a bit of inactivity. We all have RL after all. I don't think the CEO booted Curzon for no reason, I believe he truly thought Curzon was subverting him. I'm not sure whether this is true or not, but now that this post is up there's probly no going back to being friends. That's Curzon's call so seems that he's burned his bridges himself, now he doesn't really have a right to blame his corp. But like I said in the beginning, you don't need an excuse for explosions in EVE! Sorry to hear the Ninja's are having a tough time, from all I hear you guys are pros (and I had a nice convo with Feng in Carrou local recently) so, my commiserations. -- A Solo Arbitrator vid, Distortion by Corwain
Zedrik Cayne Gallente Session9 Rising Sun Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.21 04:33:00 - [54] Curzon, sorry to hear about your loss man. My favorite way of dealing with such things is to harbor a deep, personal hatred for those who wronged me. But with the moves they sound like they are making. You will just have to wait. Corp implosion sounds imminent. Now, for a much more personally satisfying set of outcomes. You need to find yourself an inside man. Surely you know someone who is hopping mad and looking to leave because of the way you were treated, but is too doggedly loyal to have jumped yet. Get that fellow to not leave, and wait until they hit 0.0. At which point you can call in favors/pay to a) Blow their 0.0 presence badly. b) Blow their allies presence badly. Once they're beaten up a bit, it is time for your friend to apply a coup-de-grace if he or she is up to that kind of betrayal. The low level stuff is one thing but killing and podding the ceo while still in corp. Exceptionally bad form, but it works. Loot the corp wallet if he's got access, pull the hangars, and whatever other damage can be done on a corp level. That sounds about right for the level of broken trust you endured. I'm sure you can find someone to do the first part..The second part would require someone special. PS: I'm personally slightly ashamed of myself for suggesting this, but vengence is best served cold with a side of petty, mean-spirited, white-hot hate that adds spice. And not for the weak. Personally I'd settle for just watching them implode against 0.0. --
Mirana Niranne The Ninja Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.21 04:39:00 - [55] /sigh Well so much for me trying to smooth things over so you could return like you expressed you wanted to... way to burn bridges mate. The problem, for the record had nothing to do with minority opinions, it was the insulting and disrespectful manner they were presented, and straight out insulting a corp CEO in the middle of a corp wide vent meeting is no way to make friends either. All this other petty ****, the political intrigues, hurt feelings at this point mean absolutely jack as far as I'm concerned. Had anyone in the corp presented themselves in the manner you did that night they'd have been out just as fast as you were. But then, you're the first person in our 8 months of existence we've ever had to forcibly remove. You asked me before why you weren't given just a stiff warning for what you did? Apparently it may have had something to do with the way you like to deal with things, pristinely represented here by your prowess at epic forum whines. I was disappointed in your actions before. I'm actually embarrassed I even suggested we give you a second chance now. Smooth Curzon, smooth. It takes more than money to buy friendship. You should try respect sometime, goes a lot farther.
Dodiez Gallente ScaryScaryNoobs	Posted - 2007.10.21 04:40:00 - [56] Originally by: Corwain more stuff If the CEO was told some stuff about Curzon, why did HE not convo Curzon and ask if it was true? That is his responsibility as a leader. It just goes to show the level of respect that the CEO had for both of us. Honestly, he should have known better than to think we were sabotaging the entire corp. I was one of the first ones that he recruited, and he didn't know me better than that?? I helped to recruit the majority of the active players and he couldn't trust me better than that? Oh hell no. As far as RL, sure, I get that. Stuff happens. No problem. But, when you're in a position of authority and action, you need to make arrangements for when you will be gone. Especially if you've never been gone before and you're not there to do the things that people are used to you doing. Bottom line. There's no excuse for that. Curzon had already decided that he wasn't going back to the ninjas, so burning bridges was no big deal. As for me, leaving was a sort of test. I decided to leave only after I saw that things were very weird after everything went down with Curzon. The situation made it impossible for me to stay, and I couldn't morally stay after what they did to my sweet baboo. Keep in mind that the person doing the subverting was made a director only AFTER the decision to boot Curzon was made. It seemed like a condition, and it's kinda funny to think they kept the person causing the trouble and lost two members that were loyal. Only time will tell how that decision will pan out. Maybe jealousy was a factor or something really dumb like that. Now I need a new sig.... :(
Crovan Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.21 07:01:00 - [57] Edited by: Crovan on 21/10/2007 07:01:32 CD, you and I have had our differences. All the same, Smartythron + Bubble in 2 gate system > Covops...just sayin. Edit: Also, since T NJ is apparently reading this. We're off contract....again...just sayin'.
Corwain Gallente Down In Flames	Posted - 2007.10.21 07:43:00 - [58] OMG love the sig Crovan! Although it could be better with the "Lets be bad guys" quote... -- A Solo Arbitrator vid, Distortion by Corwain
Mynas Atoch Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.21 07:47:00 - [59] Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 21/10/2007 07:48:51 You should learn from Crovan .. whenever he wants something he rigs the vote. You should have found a way to delay the vote, recruited lots of alts, had a revote so it ended the way you wanted it.
Junkarr	Posted - 2007.10.21 11:36:00 - [60] Originally by: Curzon Dax Now, my first instinct is to hire mercs - but after taking the Ninjas through ops on three wars, mercs have been ineffective at killing the Ninjas. I'm dubious about it. Just go on ahead and hire more mercs. If your predictions come true then they'll have no trouble with a bunch of strugging cloakers. - I may have no idea how to fight, but that's not going to stop me asking for them at every available opportunity.

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