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Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.20 00:37:00 - [1] Backstory: [T NC] The Ninja Coalition did some hard recruiting to get me to join their corp. Dodiez (my other half) had already joined them, and eventually I did. I don't join a corp lightly - Almost my entire employment history consists of corps that hired me to deploy a POS for them, after which point I'd leave - either for another POS job, or back to my DCMI home. I spent two months in the ninjas, and several billion ISK on its members. All of the Ninjas fly recons or stealth bombers; its what they do - a lot of the ISK was spent in getting people into ships that they needed, or fitting them out. I worked with people, got them into ships, led gangs - I put my heart and soul into the Ninjas. Typically, I prefer not having to step up and take charge of things; but the chain of command was tiny: The CEO (C4FF) was missing. THe co-CEO (Mirana Niranne) was missing. The only director (Feng Schui) prefers to fly alone, and no one was willing to step up and make things happen. We got wardecced - three of them at the same time. I went out and hired mercenaries to assist us because we all fly cloaky ships - not tanking/DPS/station warfare stuff, and we came through all three with hardly a scratch, and inflicted some serious losses. After the wars were over, things slowed down again, and I sent a mail to the CEO and co-CEO that morale was down and they really needed to start making a presence and making things happen. They decide that we're going to move to 0.0!! Now, having just filled their shoes out of necessity for a month and a half, I realize that we're in no shape to join up with KOS, plop a POS down in 0.0 and become a 0.0 corp. We lack infrastructure, leadership, ISK...pretty much everything. So during the next corp meeting, I started raising some objections to the pell-mell rush to 0.0 and urged caution. One of the corp members, Eriks Black quits the corp on the spot because he wanted to go to 0.0 and felt like I was sabotaging it. More discussion ensues, and the C4FF says that the Ninjas are a democracy, and that everything needs to happen as a consensus. Obviously, everyone wanted to go to 0.0; I felt like my role was in urging them to be prepared before rushing into it - everyone knows what happens to corps that go to 0.0 without any infrastructure, backup plan, assets, or leadership. Well, at this point, I gave the CEO a few choice words about how he was the CEO, and needed to take charge and act like it. That the democratic method was a cop-out for him to push off responsibility for decision-making - that this exact thing is the REASON that people were considering leaving the corp and that nothing was happening. Well, in that particular democracy, minority voices are kicked out of the corp. . Eriks Black, who demonstrated the absolute least loyalty to the cause by quitting on a whim to apply to Roadkill, rejoins and is promoted to 3rd. This all comes a week after I've done some intensive recruiting to get several of my long-time friends to join the Ninjas. Now, I understand that berating a CEO in front of the corp isn't politically wise. I do. But at the point where you're putting more effort into the corp than the leader you signed up to follow - something needs to happen. So here I am - months later, a couple billion ISK wasted on people I should have known better than to spend it on...and I feel cheated. ------------------------------- Now, my first instinct is to hire mercs - but after taking the Ninjas through ops on three wars, mercs have been ineffective at killing the Ninjas. I'm dubious about it. They're about to try moving to 0.0. What options do I have? They've lost my respect amidst such poor decision making, and personally betrayed me. But I don't know how to make them pay. Suggestions?
Dodiez Gallente ScaryScaryNoobs	Posted - 2007.10.20 00:55:00 - [2] Just my two cents: I was debating on staying in, but honestly, the conversation was stilted and I knew people were talking behind my back. Caff confirmed this when he told me people were thinking about leaving because "they thought Curzon and I were sabotaging the move to 0.0, so Curzon had to go." Why Curzon and not me? I was even more vocal about my distaste for the 0.0 move. This smacks of a personal move against Curzon, therefore I had to leave the ninjas. I ask you, how can TWO people sabotage an action that the entire corp will weigh in on? The ninjas are democratic, however dissenting opinions are not allowed without it being thought that it's sabotage. I didn't want to move to 0.0 and have another 0.0 disaster under my belt. 0.0 makes or breaks corps, and I didn't want that to happen to the ninjas. Everyone else in the ninjas was all for it. Would I have gone if the vote was to go? No, but I would have accepted it as the decision and not mentioned it again. As would Curzon. We were just weighing in with our opinion BEFORE the vote was put to the corp. Is that a wrong thing to do? As for the corps being democratic...I don't believe that is the system that CCP was trying to set into place. I'll bet all of the large successful corps not democratic at all. CCP calls our groups 'corporations' for a reason. They're supposed to be run like one. Most corporations run with a CEO, CFO, and COO. And sometimes a Board of Directors. They are the people that make the decisions and the rules. That is exactly how our corps are set up. Why would someone not run a corp that way? Sure a CEO can take advice and opinion for a decision, but ultimately, the decision should be left up to him. You join a corp because you agree with the corp's visions (ie, the CEO's vision). Why would you get angry if he chooses to use that authority to make a decision? I've rambled a bit, but this has really left a bad taste in my mouth and has left me a bit jaded about people and corps in Eve. I know Eve is a harsh world, but your corp is supposed to be your safe zone. Not in this case. Now I need a new sig.... :(
Elles D Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.10.20 00:57:00 - [3] Why don't you write a little song about it?
SilentLucidity Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.20 01:03:00 - [4] Edited by: SilentLucidity on 20/10/2007 01:03:21 Not having been there and heard exactly what was said, makes this a hard topic to comment on. It sounds like the corp wasn't the best place for you anyways. The relationship between a player (players in this case)and their corp is very much like a marriage. They are your bread and butter and you are thiers. If things look like thay aren't going your way, you can either fight to make it work, or it's time to move along. This seems to go for corporations within alliances as well. Live and learn, and move on. Next time look for someone who appreciates your efforts.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.20 01:09:00 - [5] Join Muffin Factory... we really don't care what you do or say and do more songs! That is your strong point and lots and lots of Eve people listen and laugh at the people mocked (Even yours truly )... that'll show em. Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking I owned someone on forums!!!
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.20 01:15:00 - [6] Originally by: Elles D Why don't you write a little song about it? I DID write a song about it. I need a new home! Its in my parody thread.
Rameus Luxmaar Immortalis Inc. Carpe Diem.	Posted - 2007.10.20 01:19:00 - [7] my 2 isk Curzon, Sorry to hear that you were tarred and feathered by the organization that you had a large part in help build up over the last few months by your description of events. As a result your now in a position where you want to plant a large thorn in their side with good reason as far as I can see. You know their tactics, and their internal workings on a first hand basis. snip You stated "We lack infrastructure, leadership, ISK...pretty much everything" snip It appears that they will in time cut their own jugular in the process of moving to 0.0 without your intervention. However isolating and exploiting their biggest weakness of those stated values would be a sure way of breaking them down to 0. Even better pursuing them with their own tactics would only add insult to injury. On top of that engineering a way to extract members would hurt even more. Good luck in your endeavors of turning established chaos in to absolute hell. IMMORTALIS INC. is recruiting new members! Check out our corp info in game!
Ilvan	Posted - 2007.10.20 01:20:00 - [8] You could always, well, be a big boy and get over it.
Moridin920 Gallente Capital One	Posted - 2007.10.20 01:28:00 - [9] The appropriate price for betrayal? Immediately set to work making at least 30 trial accounts. That done, proceed to spam them all with statements about how pirates are better than ninjas. Don't stop until every single trial account is banned. That done, proceed to try to get an alt in there. If they are going to 0.0 and are that under prepared they will immediately think "We just don't have enough people. RECRUIT!" Then wait until they are setting up the pos, and raid it. Take it, and sell it. Laugh. Then send a mail with a smiley face in it, and offer to sell the pos back to them, for cheap. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience our piracy may have caused you, but, we are pirates and, sadly, this is our way."
Rawr Cristina Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.20 01:39:00 - [10] Originally by: Ilvan You could always, well, be a big boy and get over it. I agree -----
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.20 01:59:00 - [11] Originally by: Curzon Dax Originally by: Elles D Why don't you write a little song about it? I DID write a song about it. I need a new home! Its in my parody thread. I missed 1! Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking I owned someone on forums!!!
Tecam Hund Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.20 02:05:00 - [12] By leading the gangs, doing all those things for the corp, and finally openly criticizing CEO you make a move towards becoming the corp leader whether you wanted it or not. If you were popular with the members, make another corp and invite them to join. If they do, you get your revenge. If they don't, it was a miscalculation on your part to openly stand up to CEO without having popular support. At any rate it was not a betrayal.
Sae Len	Posted - 2007.10.20 02:08:00 - [13] You don't invest a lot of effort and ISK into a corp when you don't have a good relationship with its leadership. That's just stupid to do. I don't think you can go anything here. Hiring mercs won't make them any more grateful. If they fail in their move to 0.0 you can always write them all warm told-you-so emails. But there are many incompetent corps that inhabit not so great portions of 0.0 for a long time, so even if they are not ready they can probably make it.
BloodyWomble	Posted - 2007.10.20 02:12:00 - [14] Forum ***** gets scammed.......
Stakhanov Katana's Edge	Posted - 2007.10.20 02:13:00 - [15] I was hoping you robbed some corp hangar for shiny loots. Booo Originally by: F'nog One does not simply log into Jita.
Dodiez Gallente ScaryScaryNoobs	Posted - 2007.10.20 02:30:00 - [16] Originally by: Sae Len You don't invest a lot of effort and ISK into a corp when you don't have a good relationship with its leadership. That's just stupid to do. I don't think you can go anything here. Hiring mercs won't make them any more grateful. If they fail in their move to 0.0 you can always write them all warm told-you-so emails. But there are many incompetent corps that inhabit not so great portions of 0.0 for a long time, so even if they are not ready they can probably make it. That's the thing. There was a good relationship with the leaders. Until they stopped leading. They basically went MIA for almost a month. True, one was working a lot, and RL takes precedence, but instead of putting a system in place for while they had to be gone, they let the corp languish. Did Curzon try to take over the corp? No, he just stepped in to try to do some things so people wouldn't be bored. Maybe some of the peons of the corp didn't see it that way, but they never even asked to see if he had any interest in a leadership role. The leadership of the corp knew that Curzon did not want anything to do with running it. Now I need a new sig.... :(
Priestess Ayumi Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.10.20 03:02:00 - [17] Can I join them :)?
Spitzerr Racketeers	Posted - 2007.10.20 04:44:00 - [18] "Ninja" Coalition. Fly around and cloak like little "ninja" girls when danger shows up lmao They are a bunch of e-tards, saw their ceo on eve-tv.. Not impressed Good luck beating them into pieces. _______________________________________________
Zrim Racketeers	Posted - 2007.10.20 04:46:00 - [19] Originally by: Spitzerr "Ninja" Coalition. Fly around and cloak like little "ninja" girls when danger shows up lmao They are a bunch of e-tards, saw their ceo on eve-tv.. Not impressed Good luck beating them into pieces. verbal *****smex tape hoorrahh ------ ~~ Movie ~~
animal man Gallente The Accursed	Posted - 2007.10.20 05:01:00 - [20] lol curzon, funny song!
Dodiez Gallente ScaryScaryNoobs	Posted - 2007.10.20 05:20:00 - [21] Originally by: Spitzerr "Ninja" Coalition. Fly around and cloak like little "ninja" girls when danger shows up lmao They are a bunch of e-tards, saw their ceo on eve-tv.. Not impressed Good luck beating them into pieces. applies to join Racketeers Now I need a new sig.... :(
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.20 05:25:00 - [22] You know... I'd consider applying too, because I would relish certain activities. But they've well established that they don't like me. Hell, I even tried singing to them on their vent and they kicked me.
General Apocalypse Amarr Ship Research	Posted - 2007.10.20 06:06:00 - [23] Edited by: General Apocalypse on 20/10/2007 06:08:30 Simple hire a black ops guy to destroy the corp from the inside It's not a cheap job but ti's the ultimate revenge , in 4-40 weeks the corp should fall . Oh ya i forgot to mentions that they'll be very **ed off at each other . Originally by:** CCP Morpheus nerf ccp plz Originally by: CCP Oveur To the gankmobile!
Mr Bodacious mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.20 06:53:00 - [24] You should have joined the fight club ;) We would've had your back.
Spitzerr Racketeers	Posted - 2007.10.20 06:59:00 - [25] Originally by: Curzon Dax You know... I'd consider applying too, because I would relish certain activities. But they've well established that they don't like me. Hell, I even tried singing to them on their vent and they kicked me. Ahh shut the f*** up! We loved your song! And i will personaly accept your application (no singing on vent) _______________________________________________
Feng Schui Minmatar The Ninja Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.20 07:02:00 - [26] One word from TNC, which sums it up: Personality. On a side note, as far as Curzon goes, he is a good FC. If anyone wishes to have him try out for their ranks, he does do a good job. other than that, I will add nothing to this thread.
Arii Smith Caldari StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.10.20 08:34:00 - [27] Edited by: Arii Smith on 20/10/2007 08:34:09 Hire GOOD mercs. You should have a lot of info on their operations. Share their plans, infastructure, play hours, locations etc with a GOOD merc corp (you gotta know some) and let the battle rage! EDIT: Or let them crash and burn in 0.0 and then eve-mail their members with an "I told you so" message. That should sting them a little bit.
Kiyirari Raiders of the Lost Pantie's	Posted - 2007.10.20 09:29:00 - [28] I would invest in buying another character to infiltrate the ninjas, slowly working your way up the ranks into a fit position and level of trust to where you can loot all their hangers and replace the lost isk wasted on a bunch of political incorrect rtards. Revenge is best severed cold Revenge is my god and my guns are her angels
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.10.20 09:47:00 - [29] Originally by: Curzon Dax 1)Well, at this point, I gave the CEO a few choice words about how he was the CEO, and needed to take charge and act like it. ..... 2)Now, I understand that berating a CEO in front of the corp isn't politically wise. I spoke up, and got kicked from the corp. Seems like he took your advice to heart Personally id hire some merc to pop their 0.0 prescence SKUNK
Sorted Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.10.20 09:53:00 - [30] If mercs have proven in effective in the past hire an assassin or two. I have seen pilots offering Assassin style Suicide ganks in highsec. Pods included. It will put them on edge after the first one or two, no war decs - no warning. "Passive targeters and POP, WTF?. New clone!. Planted much? not anymore!" It would distrupt moral as well as personal wallets. I'm sure an old Priv pilot offered such a service. Just a thought. Once they move into 0.0 with POS etc you could always revert to hiriing some big bruisers (Dreads) to waste it. Good luck
Sorted Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.10.20 09:55:00 - [31] Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Curzon Dax 1)Well, at this point, I gave the CEO a few choice words about how he was the CEO, and needed to take charge and act like it. ..... 2)Now, I understand that berating a CEO in front of the corp isn't politically wise. I spoke up, and got kicked from the corp. Seems like he took your advice to heart Personally id hire some merc to pop their 0.0 prescence SKUNK lol - and looks at the time - /me does the finger noise thingy Mick Dundee (corcodile dundee) stlyeee..... wierd.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.10.20 10:06:00 - [32] Originally by: Sorted Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Curzon Dax 1)Well, at this point, I gave the CEO a few choice words about how he was the CEO, and needed to take charge and act like it. ..... 2)Now, I understand that berating a CEO in front of the corp isn't politically wise. I spoke up, and got kicked from the corp. Seems like he took your advice to heart Personally id hire some merc to pop their 0.0 prescence SKUNK lol - and looks at the time - /me does the finger noise thingy Mick Dundee (corcodile dundee) stlyeee..... wierd. Im sorry i refuse to watch any Paul Hogan film apart from "crocodile dundee in L.A" So i do not get your reference SKUNK
Sorted Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.10.20 10:10:00 - [33] Edited by: Sorted on 20/10/2007 10:10:55 nvm skunky. the reference didnt make much sense anyways tbqfh. EDIT: Appologies for the kinda hijack. back to the OP: Hire assassins!
Gladiator Jonny Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.10.20 10:13:00 - [34] Originally by: Curzon Dax Edited by: Curzon Dax on 20/10/2007 00:57:52 Suggestions? Join REPO
cRazYf1St House of Tempers	Posted - 2007.10.20 13:02:00 - [35] Edited by: cRazYf1St on 20/10/2007 13:02:23 this happens to many ppl all the time so just get over it..... oh yea and don't join hot we have no idea what were doing all the time *********************************************** OMFG YARRRR!?!?!?!?!
Arthin Mutin Vigilantes Rubb	Posted - 2007.10.20 13:54:00 - [36] Join my noob corp Pump isk into me watch me turn into uber solo pwn mobile Let me loose killing them all!! ???? profit How do you like my business plan?
Insomnium Minmatar the united	Posted - 2007.10.20 14:02:00 - [37] what you obviously need to do is hire samurai to kill them. cause everyone knows samurai > ninjas ------------------------------------ If you define cowardice as running away at the first sign of danger, screaming and tripping and begging for mercy, then yes, Mr. Brave man, I guess I'm a coward
Lucia Warbler Eve University	Posted - 2007.10.20 18:01:00 - [38] Form a corporation of your own and use your celebrity status to draw goonloads of pilots into it. You can call all the shots or be a democracy if you wish.
Shadow Researcher	Posted - 2007.10.20 18:16:00 - [39] Edited by: Shadow Researcher on 20/10/2007 18:18:28 Originally by: Insomnium what you obviously need to do is hire samurai to kill them. cause everyone knows samurai > ninjas Actually the RL wold ninjas chopped samurai like sushi
General Apocalypse Amarr Ship Research	Posted - 2007.10.20 18:17:00 - [40] Oh ya and whatever you do don't pay one isk to the losers that beg for it in this topic. You'll end up whit less isk an no result . Hire a merc captain if you want to get you the right mercs for the job . Originally by: CCP Morpheus nerf ccp plz Originally by: CCP Oveur To the gankmobile!
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.20 18:31:00 - [41] gah torn loyalties on the one hand, Feng is awesome on the other Curzon is a fellow forum warrior well you can always hang your shingle at HsC if you are willing to not be a ebil pirate I'm currently involved in medical research, concerning the therapuetic aspects of a swift kick in the rear What do zombies and forum posters have in common? They like to sit about and moan!
C4FF Gallente The Ninja Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.20 20:04:00 - [42] Oh, my, god. Curzon i cant believe you actually posted this here. OK the gloves are off. You really wanna know why you were kicked? It's simple: Quote: Curzon Dax > Eriks, would you follow me? Eriks Black > to where? :P Eriks Black > to kill things? yes Curzon Dax > Would you follow my leadership? Curzon Dax > I'm TELLING you how things are going to go. Curzon Dax > I'm going to rejoin the Ninjas, and to the extent that I'm willing to, I'm going to control the Ninjas. Curzon Dax > That's why I joined in the first place - Dodiez noted that there was a lack of leadership and asked me to join to fix it. And to be hounest, for all i care, You can sit in what you ****. C4FF. Space Whale Hunting -
Masu'di Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2007.10.20 20:07:00 - [43] i'd suggest your join Es and Whizz, take some drugs and forget about it :) no seriously, we were chatting on IRC the other day, and we have enough musicians in the corp for a band, just need someone who can write good lyrics. Es and Whizz is recruiting
Dimitry Kalashnikov The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.10.20 22:41:00 - [44] Originally by: Curzon Dax Now, I understand that berating a CEO in front of the corp isn't politically wise. I berated my CEO over the forum in front of 200,000 subscribers. Beat THAT! ============================================== Freelancer 2 Petition
Gladiator Jonny Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.10.20 23:01:00 - [45] Originally by: Masu'di i'd suggest your join Es and Whizz, take some drugs and forget about it :) no seriously, we were chatting on IRC the other day, and we have enough musicians in the corp for a band, just need someone who can write good lyrics. Repo has no singers dont get me wrong, karaoke night on friday... people sometimes sing but, their so drunk they dont actually know it.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.20 23:54:00 - [46] Originally by: C4FF Oh, my, god. Curzon i cant believe you actually posted this here. OK the gloves are off. You really wanna know why you were kicked? It's simple: Quote: Curzon Dax > Eriks, would you follow me? Eriks Black > to where? :P Eriks Black > to kill things? yes Curzon Dax > Would you follow my leadership? Curzon Dax > I'm TELLING you how things are going to go. Curzon Dax > I'm going to rejoin the Ninjas, and to the extent that I'm willing to, I'm going to control the Ninjas. Curzon Dax > That's why I joined in the first place - Dodiez noted that there was a lack of leadership and asked me to join to fix it. And to be hounest, for all i care, You can sit in what you ****. C4FF. C4FF, that's quite an edited and tampered chat log. Sorry man, not guilty. I established from the beginning that I didn't want a leadership position. Ask around. Ask your co-CEO. Or yourself. I told you from the beginning that I didn't want to lead. I rejected the offer. I led ops because you weren't there. I paid mercs to help us in a war because you weren't there. I fit out corp members and helped them at every turn because you weren't there. You abandoned all of us, in the middle of three wars so that you could play Halo 3. You announced it on air, during your show. At which point, we all kind of looked at each other and said, "WTF?" You reappear later, "Curzon, hook me up man." Voila - Navy Megathron for you. Half the corp has recons or stealth bombers on my tab. And when you finally DO reappear, I grab the opportunity to DEMAND that you lead us. You kicked me from the corp because in front of the whole corp, I demanded that you be a leader, take the reigns, and make the Ninjas go somewhere. I've backed you every step of the way everywhere. Eriks has demonstrated his absolute disinterest in loyalty to the Ninjas, and you let Dodiez and I go so that he would rejoin the corp - and you promoted him. He's quite displayed his ability to tell two stories to different people, and now...manipulate logs. Believe what you will - I've ample proof of you how you reward loyalty. Yes my ex-friend - you can indeed sit in what you urinate. You are, and you will be over the rest of your experiment with the Ninjas. This thread exists because you wronged me. I don't know how to make it right, but I WILL get even. So here we are in C&P - the best collection of rogues, pirates, and thieves, so that I can solicit their advice on how to return the favor in kind. Unfortunately, backstabbing isn't on my resume, so I have to get help in dealing with you on your level. You reap what you sow. Yes, I quite think that some appropriate suggestions have been made here. Anyone with more suggestions?
Dodiez Gallente ScaryScaryNoobs	Posted - 2007.10.20 23:59:00 - [47] I kinda like the idea of this corp infiltration person. How does one get into contact with such an individual? I knew that the possibility existed, however I did not know that there were people who actually did this for fun and profit. I'd be interested to hear more about this possibility. I'd imagine it would have to be incredibly stealthy. Now I need a new sig.... :(
Corwain Gallente Down In Flames	Posted - 2007.10.21 00:29:00 - [48] I've had some experience with leading small corps, and I've gotta say in a sandbox game like EVE "leading" a corp is really relative. You screamed at the leadership to "lead" but in EVE I've found a lot of small corps to just be a group of friends who like to do the same type of stuff together. Very few corps really have large overarching "goals" directing their efforts, and that's not really a bad thing. If your goal is "Lets all get together and go try to blow some people up when we all happen to be online" it doesn't mean that the leadership is doing a bad job, it just means the extent of leaderships job is to pay corp bills. I've knows corps to be run by like 5 core members who shift the CEO around as they take sabbaticals and the like. After all running a corp in EVE is almost like a 2nd job, people need to take breaks sometimes, like for instance when a new game comes out that they want to try. Some members in your corp said "Hey, lets try the 0.0 thing for a bit" and you said "If we can't take over a region it's not even worth it for me." To be honest all you really need to survive in 0.0 is some NAPs with the locals and strategic placement of your operation. Sure you might not have the resources to take down POS but you don't have to, just have some friends that can (these can even be made later.) Now, just because you give some expensive "gifts" to people doesn't give you the right to be a*** and start trying to tell them how to run their corp. I expect you weren't booted because you were dissenting so much as you were being a* about everything and doing a lot of moaning, ***ing, and talking behind peoples backs. And just because the corp isn't trying to accomplish anything in particular besides having fun doesn't mean the corp "has no leadership". Seems like you're wanting to move in a different direction than the rest of your corp, so looks like they did you a favor. Now my only suggestion to you is, when you give other people stuff in EVE don't expect it back, and don't expect them to be your slaves once they've got it. -- A Solo Arbitrator vid, Distortion by Corwain
The Hemroid Gallente True Karma	Posted - 2007.10.21 01:12:00 - [49] Originally by: Whineon&on Dax What about me, it isn't fair I've had enough now I want my share Can't you see I wanna live But you just take more But you just take more But you just take more than you give What about me What about me What about me...
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.21 01:18:00 - [50] Curzon, no one cares. No really, we dont need to know about how your imaginary girlfriend stole your soda(or whatever that was) or some random 10 man corp you joined.
Dodiez Gallente ScaryScaryNoobs	Posted - 2007.10.21 01:56:00 - [51] Originally by: Corwain stuff. Look, you don't seem to understand. We joined a corp with a CEO with a vision that we agreed with and we were happy to hang out and do stuff with. I don't care about corps of friends or anything like that. This is about a corp of people we joined and expected certain things out of and were happy to give certain things in return. That's what being in a corp is. Normally, when "leadership" takes a sabbatical (as you put it), they put certain things in place so things don't turn to crap while they're gone, right? That is NOT what happened, and that is where the beef began. I know it's tough to run a corp, but I would never hang a group of people that I recruited out to dry while I went to play a different game. Especially when morale was beginning to be a problem. We were NOT having fun. Curzon never expected anything in return for the stuff he gave the corp. He is bringing it up to show his pattern of behavior; to show that he was in it for the good of the corp. He never expected anything from it. Also, we never ever talked behind anyone's back. Our opinions were voiced for the whole corp to know and we didn't keep anything secret. What's the point of having an opinion if no one knows what it is? I don't play those games. The point of this is not to say "omg, look what happened to me" - it was to ask if something like this was worthy of retaliation. To gather the opinions of you fine people and to ask what you would do in a situation like this. Are we willing to just forget about it? Sure. However, Eve is a game that seems particularly suited to revenge...why not take advantage of this tiny fact? Now I need a new sig.... :(
Dread Operative Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.10.21 02:32:00 - [52] camp their route to 0.0
Corwain Gallente Down In Flames	Posted - 2007.10.21 02:53:00 - [53] Originally by: Dodiez The point of this is not to say "omg, look what happened to me" - it was to ask if something like this was worthy of retaliation. To gather the opinions of you fine people and to ask what you would do in a situation like this. Are we willing to just forget about it? Sure. However, Eve is a game that seems particularly suited to revenge...why not take advantage of this tiny fact? If Curzon feels he's been wronged of course he should get revenge. Him being right or wrong has nothing to do with it, any excuse to cause some damage is fine with this subsection of the forums! If what you say is true and the CEO booted you because he was mininformed then you should have talked it out in private before dragging it out on the forums. Sounds like this is the first time Curzon saw the allegedly edited chatlog, if he's talked to the CEO in convo or through Dodiez he might have figured out this is just a misunderstanding and that the other Director was framing him. Now that he's publicly raked the corp over the coals the CEO is perfectly justified in keeping you two out. I don't think the CEO should be held responsible for a bit of inactivity. We all have RL after all. I don't think the CEO booted Curzon for no reason, I believe he truly thought Curzon was subverting him. I'm not sure whether this is true or not, but now that this post is up there's probly no going back to being friends. That's Curzon's call so seems that he's burned his bridges himself, now he doesn't really have a right to blame his corp. But like I said in the beginning, you don't need an excuse for explosions in EVE! Sorry to hear the Ninja's are having a tough time, from all I hear you guys are pros (and I had a nice convo with Feng in Carrou local recently) so, my commiserations. -- A Solo Arbitrator vid, Distortion by Corwain
Zedrik Cayne Gallente Session9 Rising Sun Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.21 04:33:00 - [54] Curzon, sorry to hear about your loss man. My favorite way of dealing with such things is to harbor a deep, personal hatred for those who wronged me. But with the moves they sound like they are making. You will just have to wait. Corp implosion sounds imminent. Now, for a much more personally satisfying set of outcomes. You need to find yourself an inside man. Surely you know someone who is hopping mad and looking to leave because of the way you were treated, but is too doggedly loyal to have jumped yet. Get that fellow to not leave, and wait until they hit 0.0. At which point you can call in favors/pay to a) Blow their 0.0 presence badly. b) Blow their allies presence badly. Once they're beaten up a bit, it is time for your friend to apply a coup-de-grace if he or she is up to that kind of betrayal. The low level stuff is one thing but killing and podding the ceo while still in corp. Exceptionally bad form, but it works. Loot the corp wallet if he's got access, pull the hangars, and whatever other damage can be done on a corp level. That sounds about right for the level of broken trust you endured. I'm sure you can find someone to do the first part..The second part would require someone special. PS: I'm personally slightly ashamed of myself for suggesting this, but vengence is best served cold with a side of petty, mean-spirited, white-hot hate that adds spice. And not for the weak. Personally I'd settle for just watching them implode against 0.0. --
Mirana Niranne The Ninja Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.21 04:39:00 - [55] /sigh Well so much for me trying to smooth things over so you could return like you expressed you wanted to... way to burn bridges mate. The problem, for the record had nothing to do with minority opinions, it was the insulting and disrespectful manner they were presented, and straight out insulting a corp CEO in the middle of a corp wide vent meeting is no way to make friends either. All this other petty ****, the political intrigues, hurt feelings at this point mean absolutely jack as far as I'm concerned. Had anyone in the corp presented themselves in the manner you did that night they'd have been out just as fast as you were. But then, you're the first person in our 8 months of existence we've ever had to forcibly remove. You asked me before why you weren't given just a stiff warning for what you did? Apparently it may have had something to do with the way you like to deal with things, pristinely represented here by your prowess at epic forum whines. I was disappointed in your actions before. I'm actually embarrassed I even suggested we give you a second chance now. Smooth Curzon, smooth. It takes more than money to buy friendship. You should try respect sometime, goes a lot farther.
Dodiez Gallente ScaryScaryNoobs	Posted - 2007.10.21 04:40:00 - [56] Originally by: Corwain more stuff If the CEO was told some stuff about Curzon, why did HE not convo Curzon and ask if it was true? That is his responsibility as a leader. It just goes to show the level of respect that the CEO had for both of us. Honestly, he should have known better than to think we were sabotaging the entire corp. I was one of the first ones that he recruited, and he didn't know me better than that?? I helped to recruit the majority of the active players and he couldn't trust me better than that? Oh hell no. As far as RL, sure, I get that. Stuff happens. No problem. But, when you're in a position of authority and action, you need to make arrangements for when you will be gone. Especially if you've never been gone before and you're not there to do the things that people are used to you doing. Bottom line. There's no excuse for that. Curzon had already decided that he wasn't going back to the ninjas, so burning bridges was no big deal. As for me, leaving was a sort of test. I decided to leave only after I saw that things were very weird after everything went down with Curzon. The situation made it impossible for me to stay, and I couldn't morally stay after what they did to my sweet baboo. Keep in mind that the person doing the subverting was made a director only AFTER the decision to boot Curzon was made. It seemed like a condition, and it's kinda funny to think they kept the person causing the trouble and lost two members that were loyal. Only time will tell how that decision will pan out. Maybe jealousy was a factor or something really dumb like that. Now I need a new sig.... :(
Crovan Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.21 07:01:00 - [57] Edited by: Crovan on 21/10/2007 07:01:32 CD, you and I have had our differences. All the same, Smartythron + Bubble in 2 gate system > Covops...just sayin. Edit: Also, since T NJ is apparently reading this. We're off contract....again...just sayin'.
Corwain Gallente Down In Flames	Posted - 2007.10.21 07:43:00 - [58] OMG love the sig Crovan! Although it could be better with the "Lets be bad guys" quote... -- A Solo Arbitrator vid, Distortion by Corwain
Mynas Atoch Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.21 07:47:00 - [59] Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 21/10/2007 07:48:51 You should learn from Crovan .. whenever he wants something he rigs the vote. You should have found a way to delay the vote, recruited lots of alts, had a revote so it ended the way you wanted it.
Junkarr	Posted - 2007.10.21 11:36:00 - [60] Originally by: Curzon Dax Now, my first instinct is to hire mercs - but after taking the Ninjas through ops on three wars, mercs have been ineffective at killing the Ninjas. I'm dubious about it. Just go on ahead and hire more mercs. If your predictions come true then they'll have no trouble with a bunch of strugging cloakers. - I may have no idea how to fight, but that's not going to stop me asking for them at every available opportunity.
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2007.10.21 12:09:00 - [61] Sounds to me like a job for mercs. You'd have to choose carefully, of course, because the typical mercenary is ill-equipped to deal with a gang of stealth-oriented ships. Moving to 0.0 at least commits them to having some property to besiege, so they are unlikely to be as unassailable as they were in empire. If there's already a lot of drama going on in a small corp, it might just be the final push that leads to their collapse. And if not, you still get to sit back and watch your merry band of hired thugs beat the **** out of them. Maintain the contract until they are utterly devastated and scatter to other corporations to escape your wrath or until you've gained your satisfaction. Actually, the former typically encompasses the latter. Of course, should the mercenary approach fail, or not appeal to you in its brutality, hiring a man to infiltrate and tear the corporation apart from the inside may also bring you a certain degree of satisfaction, as was suggested earlier in this thread. What could be more fitting than having them go through the very experience of betrayal that they forced upon you? In either case, committing their assets to 0.0 will leave them quite vulnerable in a way that is impossible in high security space. Catching them in the turbulence of such a transition, out of their element so to speak, would be truly glorious.
kworld modro Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.21 12:15:00 - [62] Edited by: kworld on 21/10/2007 12:15:47 Sounds like you want some serious revenge mate. www.modrocorp.com
Mirana Niranne The Ninja Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.21 15:02:00 - [63] lol, there was no betrayal. Curzon decided he was going to use a corp meeting, where a lot of our active members were present, as a stage to berate and insult the ceo... in front of everyone. He wasn't back stabbed, his own hubris blew up in his face. Hopefully that was short enough for people not to skip over as a block of text crit.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.21 17:15:00 - [64] Originally by: Mirana Niranne lol, there was no betrayal. Curzon decided he was going to use a corp meeting, where a lot of our active members were present, as a stage to berate and insult the ceo... in front of everyone. He wasn't back stabbed, his own hubris blew up in his face. Hopefully that was short enough for people not to skip over as a block of text crit. FB, there's no dispute. There's no reason to weigh in. What happened, did happen and is irreversible. You're not a bad guy - love your show, you're reasonable, but prone to poor judgment sometimes. Like in this case. Yes. I berated the CEO in front of everyone. I wrote that little speech down. "C4FF, a democractic vote is a copout. It relieves you of the responsibility of leading, and means that you're just here to oversee everyone else do the decision making. Democratic vote is why we've been siting around for 3 weeks. Doing nothing. Dude. You're the CEO. You're the KING. You have the divinely-inspired God-given powers of a KING. You need to start mother-****ing using them. LEAD US. TAKE US SOMEWHERE. That's why we joined your corp."
Arthin Mutin Vigilantes Rubb	Posted - 2007.10.21 18:03:00 - [65] my idea was best
C4FF Gallente The Ninja Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.21 20:25:00 - [66] Originally by: Curzon Dax Edited by: Curzon Dax on 21/10/2007 17:30:00Now, I understand why C4FF is upset. He's like 20 years old, in college, has no life experience to speak of; so he feels threatened by differing opinions. And he's british. He thinks British parliament is the way to get things done, and has tried to set the same thing up in the corp. When I chime in from my life's experience, he feels offended and threatened. That was the exact speech I gave. Word for word. Yes, I berated C4FF - that little speech was not tearing him down, it was positive reinforcement. Trying to make him feel comfortable taking the reigns of command. So now you being racist? smart move Curzon. C4FF. Space Whale Hunting -
Spitzerr Racketeers	Posted - 2007.10.21 20:53:00 - [67] Originally by: C4FF Oh, my, god. Curzon i cant believe you actually posted this here. OK the gloves are off.. hnoes teh homosexual gloves!! _______________________________________________
Rudy Metallo Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.10.21 21:04:00 - [68] Edited by: Rudy Metallo on 21/10/2007 21:04:21 Originally by: C4FF Originally by: Curzon Dax Edited by: Curzon Dax on 21/10/2007 17:30:00Now, I understand why C4FF is upset. He's like 20 years old, in college, has no life experience to speak of; so he feels threatened by differing opinions. And he's british. He thinks British parliament is the way to get things done, and has tried to set the same thing up in the corp. When I chime in from my life's experience, he feels offended and threatened. That was the exact speech I gave. Word for word. Yes, I berated C4FF - that little speech was not tearing him down, it was positive reinforcement. Trying to make him feel comfortable taking the reigns of command. So now you being racist? smart move Curzon. C4FF. British is not a race, its a nationality. Therefore, he is just being nationalistic. -- We are the revolutionaries. We are the usurpers of the heavenly throne. We are the enemies of the Gods.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.21 21:06:00 - [69] Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 21/10/2007 21:06:22 It always seems to be the case the one to bring up the word Racist is the one with the massive inferiority complex... feeling a little on the small side there, C4? It is my opinion Curzon is the smarter one here Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking I owned someone on forums!!!
Onyx Nightshine	Posted - 2007.10.21 21:08:00 - [70] Originally by: Curzon Dax Democratic vote is why we've been siting around for 3 weeks. Doing nothing. for one, this was entirely incorrect... we had not been doing much because a large number of us had things to deal with IRL... and as you know, RL takes precedance Originally by: Curzon Dax Dude. You're the CEO. You're the KING. You have the divinely-inspired God-given powers of a KING. You need to start mother-***ing using them. LEAD US. TAKE US SOMEWHERE. That's why we joined your corp." interruption from Mirana on ventrilo* I interrupt back "Funky, I know I'm speaking out of turn. That's my point. Take charge. Tell me to sit down and STFU. ok, as for this; yes the ceo is one that is supposed to lead, but why would a ceo want to lead an entire corp into doing something that they do not want to do? -the reason for the corp meeting was to give an insight into what everyone in the corp wanted to do in eve also, you had been told to sit sown and STFU multiple times, you were merely not taking any notice of anyone other than yourself Originally by: Curzon Dax Now, I understand why C4FF is upset. He's like 20 years old, in college, has no life experience to speak of; so he feels threatened by differing opinions. And he's british. He thinks British parliament is the way to get things done, and has tried to set the same thing up in the corp. to be perfectly honest, this is merely offensive... and quite incorrect -from what i see here i have to come to the conclusion that you have entirely the wrong idea about what a democracy is... as i said before, C4FF was trying to lead the corp in a direction that every member was happy with -if this seems wrong to you then it is obvious that the corp does not suit you as a person Originally by: Curzon Dax When I chime in from my life's experience, he feels offended and threatened. That was the exact speech I gave... Yes, I berated C4FF - that little speech was not tearing him down, it was positive reinforcement. Trying to make him feel comfortable taking the reigns of command. And in doing so, you angered every single member of the corp that was taking part in the meeting, especially those who were waiting patiently in line to have thier own say... as for positive reinforcement, a few wise words to remember are "it is not what you say, but the way you say it" now, i have to respect that you have done a lot for the corp, i also pointed this out, as well as the fact that you had given some really good advice earlier in the meeting. But the fact remains that it was obvious that you had no respect for either your CEO, or your fellow members... and as for this talking behind your back that i seem to be reading about, im fairly sure that this is a fabrication now, normally i wouldnt post any form of a rant on these forums, but you are, i feel, acting way out of line. I am one who had no problems with you, and was happy to have you in the corp, but i feel that you got what was coming to you, especially since you were always leaving and re-joining anyway
C4FF Gallente The Ninja Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.21 21:20:00 - [71] Originally by: Rudy Metallo Edited by: Rudy Metallo on 21/10/2007 21:04:21 British is not a race, its a nationality. Therefore, he is just being nationalistic. Racism: To manifest loathing against persons or groups of people on the basis of skin colour, race, religion, descent, nationality or ethnicity. It's good to be informed before you post. C4FF. Space Whale Hunting -
Rudy Metallo Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.10.21 21:28:00 - [72] Edited by: Rudy Metallo on 21/10/2007 21:28:47 So what about a person who's parents was from Pakistan, but has British citizenship? Nationality: British Race: Central Asian Race is defined by region of origin, not country. Therefore, you are Western European, while I am Euro-American. NAationality has nothing to do with race. Ancestry is defines race. /end derail. Basically - yes, as far as I know GHSC IS still together (I've seen a post recently), but they're probably working on larger projects I would imagine. -- We are the revolutionaries. We are the usurpers of the heavenly throne. We are the enemies of the Gods.
C4FF Gallente The Ninja Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.21 22:14:00 - [73] Originally by: Rudy Metallo Edited by: Rudy Metallo on 21/10/2007 21:28:47 So what about a person who's parents was from Pakistan, but has British citizenship? Nationality: British Race: Central Asian Race is defined by region of origin, not country. Therefore, you are Western European, while I am Euro-American. NAationality has nothing to do with race. Ancestry is defines race. /end derail. Basically - yes, as far as I know GHSC IS still together (I've seen a post recently), but they're probably working on larger projects I would imagine. This really shouldn't become a discussion on what is defined as racist. So lets just leave it at this: Racism occurs when any behaviour is directly or indirectly connected to attitudes of distinction, exclusion, restriction or preferences based on race, colour, ancestors, origin, or religion. A comment that is directly discriminating against myself and the british public IS classed as racism. If you don't believe me go and check with your local library. I feel discriminated against, but not only that, Curzon has posted personal information about me without my consent which is in and of itself a breach of policy, so look at it how you will. C4FF. Space Whale Hunting -
K'reemy G'udness Gimme Gimme Gimme	Posted - 2007.10.21 22:15:00 - [74] Ninjas are ***. That's why Chuck Norris kicked their asses in "The Octogon". Sincerely, K'reemy ---
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.21 22:24:00 - [75] Originally by: C4FF Originally by: Rudy Metallo Edited by: Rudy Metallo on 21/10/2007 21:28:47 So what about a person who's parents was from Pakistan, but has British citizenship? Nationality: British Race: Central Asian Race is defined by region of origin, not country. Therefore, you are Western European, while I am Euro-American. NAationality has nothing to do with race. Ancestry is defines race. /end derail. Basically - yes, as far as I know GHSC IS still together (I've seen a post recently), but they're probably working on larger projects I would imagine. This really shouldn't become a discussion on what is defined as racist. So lets just leave it at this: Racism occurs when any behaviour is directly or indirectly connected to attitudes of distinction, exclusion, restriction or preferences based on race, colour, ancestors, origin, or religion. A comment that is directly discriminating against myself and the british public IS classed as racism. If you don't believe me go and check with your local library. I feel discriminated against, but not only that, Curzon has posted personal information about me without my consent which is in and of itself a breach of policy, so look at it how you will. C4FF. Aha. I posted personal information about you. IE, that you're British? In college? Young? C4FF, you have a show on Eve Radio. If you don't want this information known to the public: 1. Stop doing your radio show. That will take care of the british accent. 2. Stop telling people that you're in college on your radio show. And that you're going to work for Apple. Etc. All this is public domain once you make it that way. ---------------------------------------------------- Isn't this typical? Really? I point out the flaws in your leadership style, and how you're cutting your own hand off, and that pretending that your corp is the British parliament isn't an effective leadership style. Dodiez points out your multitude of hypocrisies... And you turn around and scream "They're being racist!" laughing If you don't want people to know that you're a 20 year old college kid with no leadership capability, stop broadcasting it on the radio, in the forums, and in feeble attempts to turn public opinion by making believe that I'm racist. Dude, this isn't about you. Well, it IS about you, but nothing you say is going to change anything. You've betrayed me, and I'm going to destroy you, and everything you stand for. This forum thread exists so that I can get ideas on how to most creatively do that from others in the community.
Dodiez Gallente ScaryScaryNoobs	Posted - 2007.10.21 22:27:00 - [76] Edited by: Dodiez on 21/10/2007 22:27:00 Originally by: K'reemy G'udness Edited by: K''reemy G''udness on 21/10/2007 22:19:05 Ninjas are ***. That's why Chuck Norris kicked their asses in "The Octogon". Oh yeah, and Brits aren't a race. But someone already said that. Also the British lords wear girly wigs for some reason. Does C4FF wear a girly wig? Just curious. Also, from your posts C4, you appear to be a "daft git", whatever that is. I'm American so I have no idea. You really ARE creamy goodness... Now I need a new sig.... :(
Dodiez Gallente ScaryScaryNoobs	Posted - 2007.10.21 22:34:00 - [77] Originally by: Onyx Nightshine BS And all of this from the dude who was naming the corp's alts during wartime in our ninja public channel...not to mention smack-talking the war targets in said channel even after you were told to stfu. Now I need a new sig.... :(
Neon Genesis The Landed Gentry	Posted - 2007.10.21 22:46:00 - [78] Edited by: Neon Genesis on 21/10/2007 22:53:05 Originally by: Curzon Dax And he's british. He thinks British parliament is the way to get things done, and has tried to set the same thing up in the corp. Are you seriously saying, in public, that your 'life experience' leads you to believe that being British gives you some kind of insatiable urge to apply the ideology of parliament as an institution to games? Also to contribute, no I do not think giving people money means that you own them. _
Arthin Mutin Vigilantes Rubb	Posted - 2007.10.21 22:53:00 - [79] I for one being of British nationality would like to say i don't feel discriminated against and would like to advise you to make fun of our chavs, our binge drinking and our snobbish attitudes if your gonna do it, do it right.
The Hemroid Gallente True Karma	Posted - 2007.10.21 23:02:00 - [80] Originally by: Dodiez Originally by: Onyx Nightshine BS And all of this from the dude who was naming the corp's alts during wartime in our ninja public channel...not to mention smack-talking the war targets in said channel even after you were told to stfu. Do you hotlink threads to each other and plan out what to say and stuff? You're almost as bad as the goons. You didn't have to stay with the ninja's curzon, no-one made you buy stuff for them. You have a habit of throwing your isk around like it's nothing so what are you really crying about? You behaved like a child and mouthed off, got kicked from the corp. You expected that because you bought people some stuff that they should listen to you and your 'life experience' and now you are dragging it onto the forums like the attention starved moron you are. The only reason people are talking about hiring mercs and infiltration artists is because they know they can milk tons of isk off you. Hell, I'll probably send a mail on one of many many alts detailing how I can screw over the ninja's for a mere couple of bil. All I can say is I feel sorry for whatever abomination you two give birth to.
RenegadeRacer Racketeers	Posted - 2007.10.21 23:02:00 - [81] Originally by: Arthin Mutin I for one being of British nationality would like to say i don't feel discriminated against and would like to advise you to make fun of our chavs, our binge drinking and our snobbish attitudes if your gonna do it, do it right. agreed We might have some drama queens on our hands in here.
Sandy Gandhi Amarr	Posted - 2007.10.21 23:03:00 - [82] Originally by: Dodiez Originally by: Onyx Nightshine BS And all of this from the dude who was naming the corp's alts during wartime in our ninja public channel...not to mention smack-talking the war targets in said channel even after you were told to stfu. im sorry you seem to think that has something to do with what she said is pretty dumb though
Dodiez Gallente ScaryScaryNoobs	Posted - 2007.10.21 23:37:00 - [83] Originally by: The Hemroid Originally by: Dodiez Originally by: Onyx Nightshine BS And all of this from the dude who was naming the corp's alts during wartime in our ninja public channel...not to mention smack-talking the war targets in said channel even after you were told to stfu. Do you hotlink threads to each other and plan out what to say and stuff? You're almost as bad as the goons. You didn't have to stay with the ninja's curzon, no-one made you buy stuff for them. You have a habit of throwing your isk around like it's nothing so what are you really crying about? You behaved like a child and mouthed off, got kicked from the corp. You expected that because you bought people some stuff that they should listen to you and your 'life experience' and now you are dragging it onto the forums like the attention starved moron you are. The only reason people are talking about hiring mercs and infiltration artists is because they know they can milk tons of isk off you. Hell, I'll probably send a mail on one of many many alts detailing how I can screw over the ninja's for a mere couple of bil. All I can say is I feel sorry for whatever abomination you two give birth to. Hello. Please start at the beginning of the thread and read until the end. You would find that most of the things you have to say have already been addressed. Like I said before, Curzon only mentioned that he bought stuff for the corp to use as a point of reference; not for any other reason. He didn't care about the isk. He bought things to further the corp and to help it grow. He never expected anything in return. His ideas and thoughts were used quite frequently in the ninjas, both CEOs benefited from his 'life experience' and were appreciative. Hell, the current corp set-up of the directors was his idea! It was only when rumors began of him wanting to be in charge that the **** hit the fan. Both CEOs should have known him better, and had more trust in him. And no, we don't 'hotlink' anything, since I don't know what that means. I don't need anything to tell me how to think or what to say, but you're sweet for saying so. Thanks for calling our child an abomination. I guess it's better than being a boil on the butt of humanity. Now I need a new sig.... :(
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.21 23:42:00 - [84] Originally by: Neon Genesis Edited by: Neon Genesis on 21/10/2007 22:53:05 Originally by: Curzon Dax And he's british. He thinks British parliament is the way to get things done, and has tried to set the same thing up in the corp. Are you seriously saying, in public, that your 'life experience' leads you to believe that being British gives you some kind of insatiable urge to apply the ideology of parliament as an institution to games? Also to contribute, no I do not think giving people money means that you own them. I'm not making any inference about Brits at large. I'm saying that this particular player has no leadership capability, and has turned the corp into a parliament so that he doesn't have to lead. The decisions are left up to everyone at large. It doesn't work very well. Giving people ISK doesn't own them - you're right. But when I wholeheartedly commit to something, I commit to it. Mayhap you don't understand what that means. But I'll give the shirt off my back to help my friends. Which...is why I'm so frustrated about how this turned out. Its just kind of funny - they've taken and accepted all my suggestions and ideas, implemented them, except for the one where I told the CEO to get a backbone and drive the corp somewhere. There's no point voicing your beliefs of me being right or wrong. I don't care. What I intend is to get even. =)
Elentari Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2007.10.21 23:56:00 - [85] Originally by: C4FF Originally by: Curzon Dax Edited by: Curzon Dax on 21/10/2007 17:30:00Now, I understand why C4FF is upset. He's like 20 years old, in college, has no life experience to speak of; so he feels threatened by differing opinions. And he's british. He thinks British parliament is the way to get things done, and has tried to set the same thing up in the corp. When I chime in from my life's experience, he feels offended and threatened. That was the exact speech I gave. Word for word. Yes, I berated C4FF - that little speech was not tearing him down, it was positive reinforcement. Trying to make him feel comfortable taking the reigns of command. So now you being racist? smart move Curzon. C4FF. Amazing! C4FF's brilliant powers of deduction lead him to avoid all the ample proof of his incompetence in favor of calling Curzon a racist! That'll teach him!
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.22 00:00:00 - [86] Originally by: Elentari Originally by: C4FF Originally by: Curzon Dax Edited by: Curzon Dax on 21/10/2007 17:30:00Now, I understand why C4FF is upset. He's like 20 years old, in college, has no life experience to speak of; so he feels threatened by differing opinions. And he's british. He thinks British parliament is the way to get things done, and has tried to set the same thing up in the corp. When I chime in from my life's experience, he feels offended and threatened. That was the exact speech I gave. Word for word. Yes, I berated C4FF - that little speech was not tearing him down, it was positive reinforcement. Trying to make him feel comfortable taking the reigns of command. So now you being racist? smart move Curzon. C4FF. Amazing! C4FF's brilliant powers of deduction lead him to avoid all the ample proof of his incompetence in favor of calling Curzon a racist! That'll teach him! sigh That's why me being in the Ninjas didn't work out. When someone has no communicative ability, lacks the ability to discuss something intelligently, to debate, to argue, or talk about viable methods of doing things....which is what we butted heads about in the Ninjas - they turn to personal attacks. Like, "zomg! He's a racist to me!" Whatever. C4FF, have fun with your corp. Erm, I mean the corp that you're in that you dedicate 5 minutes a day to, during which you ask everyone in the corp what they want to do. We'll meet again. It won't be pleasant.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.22 00:07:00 - [87] Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 22/10/2007 00:07:49 Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 22/10/2007 00:07:09 C4 is using a basic liberal debating tequnique... if you can't come up with a coherent argument, attack them personally... call them either a racist or a facist. Even if you are a white brit... Next move should be saying something about your past that has no bearing on the situation at all Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking I owned someone on forums!!!
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Estate	Posted - 2007.10.22 00:15:00 - [88] This entire thing is ridiculous. Fact: C4FF and FB care about the Ninjas otherwise they wouldn't have run it. Fact: Curzon cared about the Ninjas otherwise he wouldn't have thrown ISK at it. He's rich, but I know first hand that he only spends it on things he considers worthwhile, or more appropriately, people he considers worthwhile. All forum posting / complaining / finger-pointing aside, this seems rather simple to me. Things didn't work out between Curzon and the Ninjas. Whether the blame lies more on Curzon for being a vocal ass about leadership (if he was an ass), or on C4FF for overreacting and kicking him (if he did overreact), is obviously debatable. However, resorting to chatlogs, insults, accusations of racism ... come on now. You're being ridiculous. I don't think it matters who overstepped the line of decency, but a lot of unnecessary bull**** is going on here. If Curzon was betrayed, the betrayers should either have apologized for their mistake or should have kept their mouths shut. If he wasn't betrayed, responding to this thread with insults and sensitive reactions only makes C4FF and the other Ninjas look easily flustered and prone to being irrational, which backs up Curzon's accusation of being betrayed. I like everyone involved here, on both sides, though I have spent more time chatting with Curzon than the DJs in the Ninjas. But I am looking at this as neutral as possible. So even if it comes down to incompatible personalities, please stop making this worse and just move on, or take it to private and keep trying to work things out.
hellsknights Hells Angels Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.22 00:23:00 - [89] Originally by: Spitzerr "Ninja" Coalition. Fly around and cloak like little "ninja" girls when danger shows up lmao They are a bunch of e-tards, saw their ceo on eve-tv.. Not impressed Good luck beating them into pieces. OMG, this is off topic but im surprised you picked and that CCP permits the use of a sig with **** signs in it. You are one dumb bastard, you have no idea what the symbol represents. BTW, im not even Jewish and i find it offensive. recruitment thread Join channel Hells Angels Inc
The Hemroid Gallente True Karma	Posted - 2007.10.22 00:26:00 - [90] Originally by: Dodiez Hello. Please start at the beginning of the thread and read until the end. You would find that most of the things you have to say have already been addressed. Like I said before, Curzon only mentioned that he bought stuff for the corp to use as a point of reference; not for any other reason. He didn't care about the isk. He bought things to further the corp and to help it grow. He never expected anything in return. His ideas and thoughts were used quite frequently in the ninjas, both CEOs benefited from his 'life experience' and were appreciative. Hell, the current corp set-up of the directors was his idea! It was only when rumors began of him wanting to be in charge that the **** hit the fan. Both CEOs should have known him better, and had more trust in him. And no, we don't 'hotlink' anything, since I don't know what that means. I don't need anything to tell me how to think or what to say, but you're sweet for saying so. Thanks for calling our child an abomination. I guess it's better than being a boil on the butt of humanity. You're missing the point. That being you are both extremely annoying. I'd take tiller's epeen posts over this petty crap. It is interesting that wherever someone irks curzon you are always one step behind in posting after him in support. Maybe not that uncommon for a couple to support each other but this is a game, social aspects aside its still just a game. Learn to play Overly emotional North Americans FTL
Neon Genesis The Landed Gentry	Posted - 2007.10.22 00:29:00 - [91] Originally by: Curzon Dax But when I wholeheartedly commit to something, I commit to it. Mayhap you don't understand what that means. But I'll give the shirt off my back to help my friends. Which...is why I'm so frustrated about how this turned out. Originally by: Curzon Dax Curzon Dax > I'm TELLING you how things are going to go. Curzon Dax > I'm going to rejoin the Ninjas, and to the extent that I'm willing to, I'm going to control the Ninjas. You are making a fool of yourself. _
Dodiez Gallente ScaryScaryNoobs	Posted - 2007.10.22 00:59:00 - [92] Originally by: The Hemroid Originally by: Dodiez Hello. Please start at the beginning of the thread and read until the end. You would find that most of the things you have to say have already been addressed. Like I said before, Curzon only mentioned that he bought stuff for the corp to use as a point of reference; not for any other reason. He didn't care about the isk. He bought things to further the corp and to help it grow. He never expected anything in return. His ideas and thoughts were used quite frequently in the ninjas, both CEOs benefited from his 'life experience' and were appreciative. Hell, the current corp set-up of the directors was his idea! It was only when rumors began of him wanting to be in charge that the **** hit the fan. Both CEOs should have known him better, and had more trust in him. And no, we don't 'hotlink' anything, since I don't know what that means. I don't need anything to tell me how to think or what to say, but you're sweet for saying so. Thanks for calling our child an abomination. I guess it's better than being a boil on the butt of humanity. You're missing the point. That being you are both extremely annoying. I'd take tiller's epeen posts over this petty crap. It is interesting that wherever someone irks curzon you are always one step behind in posting after him in support. Maybe not that uncommon for a couple to support each other but this is a game, social aspects aside its still just a game. Learn to play Overly emotional North Americans FTL Sorry if loyalty is annoying to you. Maybe you wouldn't defend your significant other's position, however, since I've been a part of this through the whole thing, and because this also involves me, I have every right to post. Deal with it. This may be petty to you, but this thread was just to get people's opinions on what they would do in a similar position, and to find out what options were available. Since Eve is unique with its corps of underhanded people that can be hired, it followed to reason that this would be a good way to find out who and what they are. We have done this, and have had lots of good ideas and a sense of what can be done. This thread has served its purpose. Thanks to all those who have responded with your suggestions. Now I need a new sig.... :(
The Hemroid Gallente True Karma	Posted - 2007.10.22 01:41:00 - [93] Don't put words in my mouth, I said nothing about loyalty, I said I find your incessant need for attention to be annoying. You've read my posts and saw only that it disagrees with your way of thinking (typically American btw) and reacted in the expected fashion by not addressing anything, instead saying it was already covered in earlier posts, which again doesn't address a single point made. (As I believe I'm going to have to spell it out very clearly, you have done nothing but repeat the same lines over and over, "Curzon was wronged, we just want advice" etc. This could have been done far more efficiently by actually asking merc corps for a price and getting on with it, since curzon seems so adamant on "getting even" asking for opinions is entirely irrelevant. But no, that means wasting the opportunity to try and get even more attention, and possibly sway the few inhabitants of eve who give a **** in your favour) Congratulations, you are both the sorest of losers and fail miserably at debate.
Dreacon nass Racketeers	Posted - 2007.10.22 01:52:00 - [94] Originally by: Spitzerr Originally by: C4FF Oh, my, god. Curzon i cant believe you actually posted this here. OK the gloves are off.. hnoes teh homosexual gloves!! sig.... is... awsome..... ~~~~~
Rudy Metallo Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.10.22 01:55:00 - [95] Originally by: The Hemroid Don't put words in my mouth, I said nothing about loyalty, I said I find your incessant need for attention to be annoying. You've read my posts and saw only that it disagrees with your way of thinking (typically American btw) and reacted in the expected fashion by not addressing anything, instead saying it was already covered in earlier posts, which again doesn't address a single point made. (As I believe I'm going to have to spell it out very clearly, you have done nothing but repeat the same lines over and over, "Curzon was wronged, we just want advice" etc. This could have been done far more efficiently by actually asking merc corps for a price and getting on with it, since curzon seems so adamant on "getting even" asking for opinions is entirely irrelevant. But no, that means wasting the opportunity to try and get even more attention, and possibly sway the few inhabitants of eve who give a ** in your favour) Congratulations, you are both the sorest of losers and fail miserably at debate. I respond to this, with this! Originally by:** Surfin's PlunderBunny Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 22/10/2007 00:07:49 Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 22/10/2007 00:07:09 C4 [read: Hemroid] is using a basic liberal debating tequnique... if you can't come up with a coherent argument, attack them personally... call them either a racist or a facist. Even if you are a white brit... Next move should be saying something about your past that has no bearing on the situation at all -- We are the revolutionaries. We are the usurpers of the heavenly throne. We are the enemies of the Gods.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.22 01:55:00 - [96] Originally by: The Hemroid Don't put words in my mouth, I said nothing about loyalty, I said I find your incessant need for attention to be annoying. You've read my posts and saw only that it disagrees with your way of thinking (typically American btw) and reacted in the expected fashion by not addressing anything, instead saying it was already covered in earlier posts, which again doesn't address a single point made. (As I believe I'm going to have to spell it out very clearly, you have done nothing but repeat the same lines over and over, "Curzon was wronged, we just want advice" etc. This could have been done far more efficiently by actually asking merc corps for a price and getting on with it, since curzon seems so adamant on "getting even" asking for opinions is entirely irrelevant. But no, that means wasting the opportunity to try and get even more attention, and possibly sway the few inhabitants of eve who give a ** in your favour) Congratulations, you are both the sorest of losers and fail miserably at debate. Congratulations, you really DIDN'T read the earlier posts. Refer for example...to the first post in this thread where I addressed the mercenary potential, as well as later posts where I invited any potential mercenaries to present me with a proposal of how they would deal with this particular corp. Why are you posting here? Are you an attention ***? This thread is for unique opinions on how to deal with a corp that is extremely difficult to engage in warfare, not for you to whine about how American suck and how you shouldn't have to post anything relevant to a discussion.
bwill220 Laughing Leprechauns Corporation	Posted - 2007.10.22 02:03:00 - [97] Originally by: The Hemroid It is interesting that wherever someone irks curzon you are always one step behind in posting after him in support. Maybe not that uncommon for a couple to support each other but this is a game, social aspects aside its still just a game. Learn to play Originally by: Dodiez Sorry if loyalty is annoying to you. Maybe you wouldn't defend your significant other's position, however, since I've been a part of this through the whole thing, and because this also involves me, I have every right to post. Deal with it. Originally by: The Hemroid You've read my posts and saw only that it disagrees with your way of thinking (typically American btw) and reacted in the expected fashion by not addressing anything, instead saying it was already covered in earlier posts, which again doesn't address a single point made. Sure she did.....she defended her right to post as she's been involved with situation throughout, which is what you questioned. I however haven't and have no place to post in here :) I think the more effective outcome of making this all public is Curzon has probably hurt the trust of any recruits Ninja's tries to bring in. Best case for Curzon's effort, they shut recruiting down for an undetermined amount of time, which for a corp that I guess has activity issues, will just keep activity low, which may lead to more members leaving. Worst case, they still don't trust new recruits, either alienating them, blaming them for questionable activities in the future, or allowing one of these "hired" recruits to hurt the corp from the inside. Should Ninja's wish, I am available to be hired to specifically bring the Curzon Dax isk empire down, through whoopin his butt in poker until we have all his isk. You just have to cover any losses :)
Mirana Niranne The Ninja Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.22 02:14:00 - [98] Originally by: Dodiez Originally by: The Hemroid Originally by: Dodiez Originally by: Onyx Nightshine BS And all of this from the dude who was naming the corp's alts during wartime in our ninja public channel...not to mention smack-talking the war targets in said channel even after you were told to stfu. Do you hotlink threads to each other and plan out what to say and stuff? You're almost as bad as the goons. You didn't have to stay with the ninja's curzon, no-one made you buy stuff for them. You have a habit of throwing your isk around like it's nothing so what are you really crying about? You behaved like a child and mouthed off, got kicked from the corp. You expected that because you bought people some stuff that they should listen to you and your 'life experience' and now you are dragging it onto the forums like the attention starved moron you are. The only reason people are talking about hiring mercs and infiltration artists is because they know they can milk tons of isk off you. Hell, I'll probably send a mail on one of many many alts detailing how I can screw over the ninja's for a mere couple of bil. All I can say is I feel sorry for whatever abomination you two give birth to. Hello. Please start at the beginning of the thread and read until the end. You would find that most of the things you have to say have already been addressed. Like I said before, Curzon only mentioned that he bought stuff for the corp to use as a point of reference; not for any other reason. He didn't care about the isk. He bought things to further the corp and to help it grow. He never expected anything in return. His ideas and thoughts were used quite frequently in the ninjas, both CEOs benefited from his 'life experience' and were appreciative. Hell, the current corp set-up of the directors was his idea! It was only when rumors began of him wanting to be in charge that the hit the fan. Both CEOs should have known him better, and had more trust in him. And no, we don't 'hotlink' anything, since I don't know what that means. I don't need anything to tell me how to think or what to say, but you're sweet for saying so. Thanks for calling our child an abomination. I guess it's better than being a boil on the butt of humanity. I put some text up there in bold. I have said before and I'll say again. The **** hitting the fan happened when Curzon decided to be a complete ass by being verbally abusive towards our CEO in a corpwide vent meeting. It was decided he would not be a part of T NC any longer before we were even made aware of his supposed ambitions to take over the corp. What you two are doing is taking a very simple matter, one where outright rudeness to fellow corpmates will result in a swift boot from the corp, and trying to tie in political intrigues and conspiracy theories where there are none. If I felt threatened by Curzon I would have booted you about 5 seconds after the decision was made to boot him, knowing he has access to your account. Hey, he's your man, I understand why you had to leave, I understand why you have to take his side, and you should choose him over us hands down, no questions... but really now, lets keep this to what it is: The Ninjas are really mean people who kicked out someone who made a complete ass of himself instead of giving him a second chance, and based on the forum drama he decided to create afterwards, it's quite apparent we made the right decision. Just think how dramatic this would have been if we had waited for him to get himself kicked out in another 3 months and a few billion isk later? This thread is more emo than a Linkin Park song Curzon. GG
Dr Cron Northern Lights Number 5	Posted - 2007.10.22 02:24:00 - [99] Wait go back to the part where some Drama Queen stole some other Drama Queens orange soda...
Swamp Kitsune	Posted - 2007.10.22 02:48:00 - [100] I'm mostly a lurker, but in most of Curzan's drama, he may make stupid choices, but he doesn't lie or fabricate. I'd be more inclined, especially with the way ninja coalition is responding (Mostly personal attacks and double entendree's (that the word?) about what they've actually done, did) to believe that curzan is the one less full of @#$% :P
Spitzerr Racketeers	Posted - 2007.10.22 02:50:00 - [101] Originally by: hellsknights Originally by: Spitzerr "Ninja" Coalition. Fly around and cloak like little "ninja" girls when danger shows up lmao They are a bunch of e-tards, saw their ceo on eve-tv.. Not impressed Good luck beating them into pieces. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=618540 OMG, this is off topic but im surprised you picked and that CCP permits the use of a sig with **** signs in it. You are one dumb bastard, you have no idea what the symbol represents. BTW, im not even Jewish and i find it offensive. _______________________________________________
The Hemroid Gallente True Karma	Posted - 2007.10.22 02:58:00 - [102] Edited by: The Hemroid on 22/10/2007 03:03:15 Edited by: The Hemroid on 22/10/2007 03:02:16 Edited by: The Hemroid on 22/10/2007 03:00:02 Edited by: The Hemroid on 22/10/2007 02:59:32 Originally by: Curzon Dax Congratulations, you really DIDN'T read the earlier posts. Refer for example...to the first post in this thread where I addressed the mercenary potential, as well as later posts where I invited any potential mercenaries to present me with a proposal of how they would deal with this particular corp. Why are you posting here? Are you an attention *****? This thread is for unique opinions on how to deal with a corp that is extremely difficult to engage in warfare, not for you to whine about how American suck and how you shouldn't have to post anything relevant to a discussion. Why am I posting here? Maybe I'm just baiting you and your wench, and the fact that what I'm saying makes sense is merely icing on the cake...maybe. EDIT:Seriously dude, lose the swastika, its not funny/ironic/post sarcastic. It's just more pathetic attention seeking. Rack looks bad enough already. Another Edit, I;ll be petitioning just as soon as I can be bothered.
Cyberflayer Vagabonds Unincorporated	Posted - 2007.10.22 04:09:00 - [103] This is all very regrettable; I thought both TNC and Curzon Dax were quite likeable before this thread. I even got a donation from that Eriks Black for a Stabber once - he was a real pleasure to talk to. Now I don't know what to think...do I like one over the other? Both equally? Either at all? Or does it not even matter, being the insignificant party that I am? I suppose all cake, even the cake that is not cake, is a lie in the end... - Blog Below
Soren PAK	Posted - 2007.10.22 06:03:00 - [104] Why is this thread here? Stop turning C&P into CAOD. k? ☠-->-->--
Der Prophet	Posted - 2007.10.22 10:13:00 - [105] "Overly emotional North Americans FTL" "(typically American btw)" RAAAACCIISSSMMMMMM!!!! But really. Don't hate on all of America. Just hate the Lower 48, they Epically FAIL. Also they charge me more for shipping even though they ship the same to ******* Alaska as they do Vermont. $30 for 2nd day WTF.
Eftim S'Jet Racketeers	Posted - 2007.10.22 10:25:00 - [106] If one Curzon wasn't enough, now we got these new drama queens. What the hell is happening ? --- RAK Space!
Ed Kraka Racketeers	Posted - 2007.10.22 11:35:00 - [107] Can we Dec Curzon Dax? I think its about time he paid for being such a panzie. What with all the singing and crap. I reckon he might be an amputee you know, to have so much time on his hands.... Tactical Mastermind
Johncrab Minmatar Typo Corp	Posted - 2007.10.22 13:50:00 - [108] Originally by: Curzon Dax ... What options do I have? They've lost my respect amidst such poor decision making, and personally betrayed me. But I don't know how to make them pay. Suggestions? Buy all cloaking devices on the market
Tom Boll	Posted - 2007.10.22 14:16:00 - [109] Originally by: Johncrab Buy all cloaking devices on the market Winner!
Ujagar Sommdax Gallente Wages Of Sin Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.10.22 14:48:00 - [110] You're almost flooding this thread as much as former RAK mates are in some other threads... GJ Cumzon and noodlez keep it up - - - - - Q.(-.- ).o
Kayna Eelai Gallente GNATHIC	Posted - 2007.10.22 15:33:00 - [111] i'll take a guess... a whole guild, in stealth bombers, CEO and many others with crap attitude? sounds like exiled world of warcraft player, noob undead rogues to be exact. curzon, here is what i suggest u do as revenge: ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. and when their guild fails miserably in less than one week after stepping into 0.0, you can make another nice song of yours pointing and laughing at them. fixed to 23.15 kB (23710 bytes)
Drakolus Amarr NCL Research	Posted - 2007.10.22 20:42:00 - [112] Either hire (if it is even possible) Guiding Hands Social Club or someone with the same methods or... Get a marriage/relationship counsellor... Ooh, third option. Jerry Springer! Either way it will require patience to set up a truly worthy revenge. NCL Research - We don't research jack
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.22 20:44:00 - [113] Originally by: Kayna Eelai i'll take a guess... a whole guild, in stealth bombers, CEO and many others with crap attitude? sounds like exiled world of warcraft player, noob undead rogues to be exact. curzon, here is what i suggest u do as revenge: ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. and when their guild fails miserably in less than one week after stepping into 0.0, you can make another nice song of yours pointing and laughing at them. WHAT GUILD??? (INTERNATIONAL CAPS LOCK DAY!) Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking I owned someone on forums!!!
Kayna Eelai Gallente GNATHIC	Posted - 2007.10.22 22:25:00 - [114] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny WHAT GUILD??? (INTERNATIONAL CAPS LOCK DAY!) ouch. touchT! the mere mentioning of undead rogues probably melted some of my chips :D fixed to 23.15 kB (23710 bytes)
Rudy Metallo Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.10.23 00:30:00 - [115] Originally by: Kayna Eelai Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny WHAT GUILD??? (INTERNATIONAL CAPS LOCK DAY!) ouch. touchT! the mere mentioning of undead rogues probably melted some of my chips :D /me smacks the WoW lover. SILENCE YOU. Back to the topic. -- We are the revolutionaries. We are the usurpers of the heavenly throne. We are the enemies of the Gods.
Nagen	Posted - 2007.10.23 05:23:00 - [116] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 22/10/2007 00:07:49 Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 22/10/2007 00:07:09 C4 is using a basic liberal debating tequnique... if you can't come up with a coherent argument, attack them personally... call them either a racist or a facist. Even if you are a white brit... Next move should be saying something about your past that has no bearing on the situation at all actually it is the conservative way of debating things - people who lack the logic and ability to think and by necessity stick to the good ol' traditional conservative ways and have to resort to personal attacks to replace the missing thought process In response to the OP, sounds like you invested in the corp where you didn't believe in the ability of its leadership. That was a stupid move. Before you put in time and iskies into the corp you should have made sure that their goals and vision and ability to lead would correspond to what you'd like to see. Before you invest in a corp you have to check that you're all on the same page and that you're officially one of corps official leaders, and not do it the other way around.
Pokey McSmot	Posted - 2007.10.23 06:32:00 - [117] The drama, oh the drama! Curzon, after awhile you must realize that if you are always somehow involved in drama that you must have some guilt in the process. The sad thing is that this thread like all Curzon's drama threads have not been locked. No one cares about your Eve relationship problems. Not even the internet has been successful in hiding your character flaws. The best advise you can take would be to cancel your accounts, and unplug. Fix yourself in RL because your lack of acceptable social skills is only hurting you. Your girlfriend/imaginary friend should also unplug and get a real life. Of course Real life is too scary for you, in the game you can hide behind your cyber characters and not have to deal with things like real friendships/relationships. Bottom line, go away, you will not be missed, no one will cry over you, we will all enjoy a break from your dirty laundry.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.23 07:32:00 - [118] Originally by: Pokey McSmot Envious rantings of a teenaged virginal white kid I can hardly fault you for lacking the requisite intelligence and mental capacity to find humor in my forum whinings - for the times when I post something serious are few and far between. Eloquently protraying a fictional grievance in depth towards a significant other for gasp drinking the last orange soda in the fridge, and demanding that the incident be used as fuel to provoke a men vs. women war isn't exactly what I'd call a relationship problem. I'm guessing that you've never had one of those relationship thingies - there's no way anyone of even minor worldly experience, or whom has ever conversed with someone of the opposite gender could mistake my threads (except for this one) for what they are: A break from the constant bickering, complaining, and epeen wagging that C&P consists of. I won't elaborate on my contentment with my real life; there's no point in a forum. But suffice to say that I make more money than you, my car is nicer than yours, and I get laid more than you do. Also, post with your main nubbins. Flamers like you make the forums fun for me. :)
Excaliblur Gallente Freedom-Technologies	Posted - 2007.10.23 08:16:00 - [119] Edited by: Excaliblur on 23/10/2007 08:17:11 Originally by: Curzon Dax Originally by: Pokey McSmot Envious rantings of a teenaged virginal white kid I can hardly fault you for lacking the requisite intelligence and mental capacity to find humor in my forum whinings - for the times when I post something serious are few and far between. Eloquently protraying a fictional grievance in depth towards a significant other for gasp drinking the last orange soda in the fridge, and demanding that the incident be used as fuel to provoke a men vs. women war isn't exactly what I'd call a relationship problem. I'm guessing that you've never had one of those relationship thingies - there's no way anyone of even minor worldly experience, or whom has ever conversed with someone of the opposite gender could mistake my threads (except for this one) for what they are: A break from the constant bickering, complaining, and epeen wagging that C&P consists of. I won't elaborate on my contentment with my real life; there's no point in a forum. But suffice to say that I make more money than you, my car is nicer than yours, and I get laid more than you do. Also, post with your main nubbins. Flamers like you make the forums fun for me. :) Lol he just owned you. Back on topic though, Curzon has posted with integrity and his posts are obviousley of a more mature level then some of the posts on this thread. Looks like a nice guy who got f****d over by a corp which he helped. Iv'e been in the same situation in previous mmorpg's which is why in EvE I keep my head down and plod along. Imo if your a ceo of a corp you shuld "lead" the corp/guild/clan whatever. If you don't have the time, recources or leadership needed then pass it on to somebody who has. Nobody likes an absent leader. Lol at the racist remarks, I'm british caucasion and I despise what Britain has become, but thats another issue, good luck in whatever you decide to do Curzon. ______________________________________ ~Excaliblur~
The Hemroid Gallente True Karma	Posted - 2007.10.23 10:24:00 - [120] Originally by: Curzon Dax I won't elaborate on my contentment with my real life; there's no point in a forum. But suffice to say that I make more money than you, my car is nicer than yours, and I get laid more than you do. Also, post with your main nubbins. Enjoy the VD mate. Originally by: Excaliblur Lol he just owned you. Back on topic though, Curzon has posted with integrity and his posts are obviousley of a more mature level then some of the posts on this thread. Looks like a nice guy who got f****d over by a corp which he helped. If you'd been paying attention and weren't Curzon/dodeiz alt/zealot fanboy you would clearly see that Curzon is making a big deal out of his own mistakes. Trying to shift the blame so to speak. He refuses to acknowledge this and that is why anyone with sense is berating him. The fact that the ceo was afk from eve for ages (something I hate btw) didn't give him an excuse to mouth off. He could have bought them a mothership for all I care it doesn't change the fact that he mouthed off to the boss, which undermines his authority regardless of Curzons intent. It blew up in his face so he goes to the forums.
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.10.23 10:38:00 - [121] Well, ninjas used to be in this alliance my previous corp was in, so I remember them as a decent bunch willing to fight. I guess I know Feng best out of the whole bunch, and he's basically a nice guy. Superb arbitrator pilot, too On the other hand, Curzon always seemed like an alright guy, even though he's sometimes spending too much forum bandwidth. His songs more then make up for it, though Who doesn't love to hear 'flashing red' while pirating? At any rate, I can't make up my mind on what to think about this, so I'll refrain from that part of the discussion. However, Curzon, if they're moving to 0.0 and intend to actually hold territory there on their own, and you're right, you'll be pointing and saying 'I told you so' in a few weeks anyway. You could hire some good mercs as well if you really to mess up the ninjas - it's not so easy to hide when there's no NPC stations and you have destroyable assets in space. It's your money, and there's plenty of ways in EvE to mess up a corp.
DeadProphet Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.23 11:19:00 - [122] hire some decent mercs (an MC corp?) to go and make life extremely difficult for the corp/their new alliance in 0.0. its chaotic enough moving a small corp into 0.0 for the first time without being shot along the way :P
Feng Schui Minmatar The Ninja Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.23 11:59:00 - [123] Originally by: Cpt Branko Well, ninjas used to be in this alliance my previous corp was in, so I remember them as a decent bunch willing to fight. I guess I know Feng best out of the whole bunch, and he's basically a nice guy. Superb arbitrator pilot, too i've upgraded to a Pilgrim Flew a curse for a bit, talk about easy mode other than that, I will add nothing to this thread.
Kayna Eelai Gallente GNATHIC	Posted - 2007.10.23 11:59:00 - [124] actually... i am liking the idea of monopolizing all cloaking devices market the more i think about it ;) fixed to 23.15 kB (23710 bytes)
ry ry StateCorp The State	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:15:00 - [125] Edited by: ry ry on 23/10/2007 12:21:38 Originally by: C4FF Originally by: Rudy Metallo Edited by: Rudy Metallo on 21/10/2007 21:04:21 British is not a race, its a nationality. Therefore, he is just being nationalistic. Racism: To manifest loathing against persons or groups of people on the basis of skin colour, race, religion, descent, nationality or ethnicity. It's good to be informed before you post. C4FF. Originally by: C4FF Racism: To manifest loathing against persons or groups of people on the basis of skin colour, race, religion, descent, nationality or ethnicity. It's good to be informed before you post. a white middle class english student playing the race card? what the ***** lolz are you talking about? presumably you're speaking up on behalf of your fellow white middle class english students who are being kept down by The Man at village fetes and carboot sales across england every sunday afternoon (weather permitting). it's good not to smoke a load of *** before you post. ps. i'm english. kiss kiss.
Countess Xiao	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:29:00 - [126] I am loving this thread so much. This is one of the main reasons I play EVE.
Ed Kraka Racketeers	Posted - 2007.10.23 13:07:00 - [127] Edited by: Ed Kraka on 23/10/2007 13:08:35 Cumzon said: "I make more money than you, my car is nicer than yours, and I get laid more than you do." I find this Sooo hard to believe, as i said before, your an amputee. Saying stuff like that is what drives the Anti-Cumzon Cult. Such a muppet Tactical Mastermind
RenegadeRacer Racketeers	Posted - 2007.10.23 13:37:00 - [128] Originally by: ry ry a white middle class english student playing the race card? what the ***** lolz are you talking about? presumably you're speaking up on behalf of your fellow white middle class english students who are being kept down by The Man at village fetes and carboot sales across england every sunday afternoon (weather permitting). more importantly, which bit was racist? by all means flame curzon for being a self-absorbed forum **, but a racist? it's good to smoke less **** before you post. Thank God someone finally said it
The Anointed Caldari Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.10.23 15:30:00 - [129] Originally by: Curzon Dax And he's british. To be honest, I expected more from you. Perhaps think more next time you decide to try and make a point, because even the most valid point is likely to be ignored when it is made inappropriately.
pmacFTO Caldari Dedspace Saints	Posted - 2007.10.23 15:36:00 - [130] Excuse my ignorance but does this stuff not belong on CAOD?
Pokey McSmot	Posted - 2007.10.23 16:05:00 - [131] Curzon, you might wanna re-read my post... Make note that there are no edits. Since you seem to be "special" i will repost it for you... Original Message. The drama, oh the drama! Curzon, after awhile you must realize that if you are always somehow involved in drama that you must have some guilt in the process. The sad thing is that this thread like all Curzon's drama threads have not been locked. No one cares about your Eve relationship problems. Not even the internet has been successful in hiding your character flaws. The best advise you can take would be to cancel your accounts, and unplug. Fix yourself in RL because your lack of acceptable social skills is only hurting you. Your girlfriend/imaginary friend should also unplug and get a real life. Of course Real life is too scary for you, in the game you can hide behind your cyber characters and not have to deal with things like real friendships/relationships. Bottom line, go away, you will not be missed, no one will cry over you, we will all enjoy a break from your dirty laundry. At no time did i mention "virginal white kid" But in doing that you just showed your hand, You have posted questionable chat logs and convos before, suspecting they were altered but no proof. Well look at my post again, you say it was originally written by me... It was not. Anyone will an ounce of intellegence will not be able to ever believe "your side" of the story again, now that we have proof you doctor chat logs. It wasn't even a delete to make you look better, but an outright fabrication. As for the rest, you make more money then me? Isk doesn't count in real life dude... You get laid more then me? Your hand also doesn't count... Nicer car? Your bicycle is beautiful man... As for not commenting on your real life? Of course you won't, we all know its garbage, you live here becasue you cannot live in real life. Again, as i said in the earlier post, the forum moderaters should not allow these threads to go on for 5 pages without locking them, if they are going to make the poor decision to allow Curzon to post his drama here, they should at least monitor it. As far as your concerned Curzon, this is my main, as i only buy and sell, i do not PVP i do not train skills i won;t use, i find enjoyment with the market in this game not the pew pew.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.23 16:56:00 - [132] Pokey, your first post was a proper flame, and was fun to tear apart. Your second post is a bunch of random letters and words put together in a string of nonsense like a bad online translator. Are you C4FF's alt?
Pokey McSmot	Posted - 2007.10.23 17:31:00 - [133] keep deflecting the truth Curzon, thats all you ever do. Is that how you are able to accept that you have no real life? And no i am not affiliated with whatever group you are currently whining about. Just a guy that is tired of your word vomit.
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.10.23 17:44:00 - [134] Originally by: Pokey McSmot keep deflecting the truth Curzon, thats all you ever do. Is that how you are able to accept that you have no real life? And no i am not affiliated with whatever group you are currently whining about. Just a guy that is tired of your word vomit. 1) Post with your main. 2) The comments about Curzon's RL are both unverifiable, childish and ultimately irrelevant to the discussion. 3) If I had spent a lot of ISK and time on something in game and felt mis-treated for some reason, I'd be looking for revenge, as would anyone. It's a bloody legitimate reason to post in C&P, regardless of wether he's right or wrong.
Pokey McSmot	Posted - 2007.10.23 18:02:00 - [135] Not that it matters, but this is my main. Not everyone has a 3 yr old toon w/ 35 million SP... Also my real life observations of Curzon are verifiable and accurate, everything he writes is a reflection of him as a real person. All the whining and drama is an accurate reflection of how he views the world and his place/role within it, and when placed in a public forum is open to scrutiny.
SurfinSeaOtter Remade	Posted - 2007.10.23 18:11:00 - [136] Even I post with my main, and people really really don't like me and when my alt does post, his sig says it's me Surfin's Plunderbunny's alt... remake of 1st char that lost his life to drunken rage
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.23 18:11:00 - [137] Haha, speak of the devil Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking I owned someone on forums!!!
K'reemy G'udness Gimme Gimme Gimme	Posted - 2007.10.23 18:16:00 - [138] Edited by: K''reemy G''udness on 23/10/2007 18:16:28 As I think has been pointed out before, ninjas enjoy same sex relationships. Not that there's anything wrong with that. In other news: PAGE 5 SNIPA! Headshot! Sincerely, K'reemy ---
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.10.23 18:25:00 - [139] Originally by: Pokey McSmot Not that it matters, but this is my main. Not everyone has a 3 yr old toon w/ 35 million SP... My mistake. I don't have a 3 year old toon w/ 35 million SP either, but at least I'm not afraid to state which corp I'm from and all that jazz. That's why I had the impression you were just an alt. Originally by: Pokey McSmot Also my real life observations of Curzon are verifiable and accurate, everything he writes is a reflection of him as a real person. All the whining and drama is an accurate reflection of how he views the world and his place/role within it, and when placed in a public forum is open to scrutiny. So you actually know how much he earns, ****s and what he drives? If you don't know someone in real life, the best you can do is speculate, and others can then freely speculate about you, too. It leads to name-calling instead of a discussion. Mostly, the drama from him was either completely and obviously fabricated to amuse the crowds (and, frankly, anything is better then the 10425th RAK/tiller/whatever post). Sure, the sort of forum tomfoolery annoys some, but it doesn't mean he's a whining drama-bomb. The current topic you can't really complain about - while I really wouldn't want to pick sides here, feeling cheated over a lot of time and hundreds of millions of isk gives the man the right to post in bloody C&P about it. Especially if he's hiring someone to get revenge. You know, whining and drama to you, business opportunities for another.
ry ry StateCorp The State	Posted - 2007.10.23 18:29:00 - [140] curzon seems like a good guy, but he's still a bloody drama-bomb. :D
Pokey McSmot	Posted - 2007.10.23 18:55:00 - [141] My corp is me, and only me. no mains, and no alts. just toons that i log in for whatever job i want to do that day, I value none over the other, whether it be Mining (Flied Rice & Mike Hauke) or PVP\mission running (Complete Failure) or Market\hauling related activites (Pokey McSmot\Bringing Sexyback\Francois LaTrine) My corps name is Deep Star Logistics, CEO is (Bringin Sexback) a 800k CEO toon. That is who i am, I am also someone that reads the forum at work when i get bored. But all i see are 7 page threads started by Curzon that bring nothing but sore a$$ to the game. I read the first 3 pages and relized yet again that he is just putting himself in the middle of drama for community sympathy. If your still sympathetic i would invite you to read his previous threads, they are all the same crap, oh noes i have been wronged, or i was gonna fix it but you went to the forum first, and i am to good to bow to community pressure, even though he eventually caved, still blaming the the other guy. Bottom line is he lives for the drama in an online game, its pathetic he has no real accountability for his actions, only deflecting the blame to others. That alone is good enough reason to diss him. As for not knowing if he makes more money then me. Ultimately your correct, but more often then not, people who are addicted to mmo's and spend as much time in them as Curzon does does not function weel enough in real life to be succesful, hence the old addage "you must live in your mothers basment." Whats really happening, and i can only speculate, is he is on disability for his afore mentioned amputee status, which someone else was so inclined to mention earlier in the thred, and his gf Dodiez (if she exists) supports him. Giving him the time to spend on this game. Nothing mentioned here validiates his whine posts, and his deflection of blame to the community.
Savesti Kyrsst Minmatar White-Noise Skunk-Works	Posted - 2007.10.23 19:12:00 - [142] Edited by: Savesti Kyrsst on 23/10/2007 19:12:16 Originally by: Pokey McSmot My corp is me, and only me. no mains, and no alts. just toons that i log in for whatever job i want to do that day, I value none over the other, whether it be Mining (Flied Rice & Mike Hauke) or PVP\mission running (Complete Failure) or Market\hauling related activites (Pokey McSmot\Bringing Sexyback\Francois LaTrine) My corps name is Deep Star Logistics, CEO is (Bringin Sexback) a 800k CEO toon. That is who i am, I am also someone that reads the forum at work when i get bored. But all i see are 7 page threads started by Curzon that bring nothing but sore a$$ to the game. I read the first 3 pages and relized yet again that he is just putting himself in the middle of drama for community sympathy. If your still sympathetic i would invite you to read his previous threads, they are all the same crap, oh noes i have been wronged, or i was gonna fix it but you went to the forum first, and i am to good to bow to community pressure, even though he eventually caved, still blaming the the other guy. Bottom line is he lives for the drama in an online game, its pathetic he has no real accountability for his actions, only deflecting the blame to others. That alone is good enough reason to diss him. As for not knowing if he makes more money then me. Ultimately your correct, but more often then not, people who are addicted to mmo's and spend as much time in them as Curzon does does not function weel enough in real life to be succesful, hence the old addage "you must live in your mothers basment." Whats really happening, and i can only speculate, is he is on disability for his afore mentioned amputee status, which someone else was so inclined to mention earlier in the thred, and his gf Dodiez (if she exists) supports him. Giving him the time to spend on this game. Nothing mentioned here validiates his whine posts, and his deflection of blame to the community. The person with real-life problems is far more likely to be the one attempting to character-assassinate someone, anonymously, on the forums of an internet spaceship game. Stop wasting our time and shut the hell up. Only keep posting if you're going to verifiably boast about your real-life "success", because that would be hilarious. Thread voted +5 drama
Dr Cron Northern Lights Number 5	Posted - 2007.10.23 19:13:00 - [143] I guess the Drama Queen woke up again... that orange soda can give u quite a hangover.
Pokey McSmot	Posted - 2007.10.23 20:57:00 - [144] Just providing educated guesses from the facts laid out for all to see. Also providing my opinion on why i dislike the topics of OP's posts. My opinion may be only mine, but i am willing to bet it is shared by many in the community.
Pokey McSmot	Posted - 2007.10.23 21:39:00 - [145] Awsome job Curzon, rename the thread to "Closed" and run away. Never face the truth. Well at least that ends the thread...
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:47:00 - [146] Originally by: Pokey McSmot Awsome job Curzon, rename the thread to "Closed" and run away. Never face the truth. Well at least that ends the thread... My dear forum flamer... The one time that you posted anything of worth, I responded. Note the subsequent posts by other people of "owned." The subsequent personal attacks don't merit response. Since you've so delicately decided that you can't match wits or words with me and resorted to the sort of personal attacks that are quite laughable, and since I quite scoff at such lame verbal abuse, your posts go unanswered. Although others have been so kind as to respond to them - feel free to scroll up and read.
Pokey McSmot	Posted - 2007.10.24 00:03:00 - [147] My dear forum flamer... The one time that you posted anything of worth, I responded. Note the subsequent posts by other people of "owned." The subsequent personal attacks don't merit response. Since you've so delicately decided that you can't match wits or words with me and resorted to the sort of personal attacks that are quite laughable, and since I quite scoff at such lame verbal abuse, your posts go unanswered. Although others have been so kind as to respond to them - feel free to scroll up and read. LOL so conflicted you are Curzon. You claim you don't respond and i lose, yet here you are responding. Again yet another example of you not allowing yourself to have any blame, its always the other guys fault... You just can't stay away from the drama can you Curzon, like a moth to a flame you can't stop yourself from one last shot at forum redemption... You lost when you posted your first whine Curzon, the rest is just a rout.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.24 00:15:00 - [148] Originally by: Pokey McSmot Some more personal attacks My point exactly.
Shiodome Caldari Black Sea Industries Cult of War	Posted - 2007.10.24 00:26:00 - [149] Quote: Dodiez stopped liking what was happening, and we had some tense evenings in the house because I was trying to get her not to quit. that's just comedy, get a grip. _____________________________________ today i am this cool: [uncool]================[*]====[cool]
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.24 00:28:00 - [150] Everyone in this thread is unhappy! Here, this'll fix it. Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking I owned someone on forums!!!
Shiodome Caldari Black Sea Industries Cult of War	Posted - 2007.10.24 00:34:00 - [151] breaks kitten No! what have i done!!!! _____________________________________ today i am this cool: [uncool]================[*]====[cool]
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.24 01:22:00 - [152] You killed happy kitten? Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking I owned someone on forums!!!
Pokey McSmot	Posted - 2007.10.24 01:24:00 - [153] OK Curzon, i'll play... A made up chat script in Curzons flavor, Pokey Crits Curzon with more damaging attacks. Curzon hides Curzon decides he can't take the injustice of the truth. Curzon posts another thread saying his $hit doesn't stink Eve Laughs. No one cares but Curzon. Curzon can't take this Curzon creates drama thread involving his GF Eve still doesn't care. Curzon throws money at the community hoping for friends Community at large still doesn't care. Curzon keeps trying Poor Curzon etc etc etc
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.24 01:28:00 - [154] See? If the kitten were still alive this thread could have died happy! It said Break glass GENTLY! Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking I owned someone on forums!!!
Allisie Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.10.24 01:35:00 - [155] Originally by: Curzon Dax Edited by: Curzon Dax on 23/10/2007 17:10:42 I was even defending C4FF. A month ago, Dodiez stopped liking what was happening, and we had some tense evenings in the house because I was trying to get her not to quit. Quote: That was the point where Dodiez started getting upset, and I kid you not - I had some unhappy nights defending CAFF. Quote: So yeah - I made the mistake of opening the doors to unworthy folks. C'mon, people, it's a game...
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.10.24 11:25:00 - [156] Originally by: Pokey McSmot RABBLE RABBLE The problem is, unfortunately, that you suck. Just repetitively going 'Curzon is a terrible drama queen, arguments don't concern me beacuse he has no life' is not really providing anything except your "educated" (lol!) guess about someone's character. Two can play that game. I'll offer my educated opinion on you. You suck. Period. Thread won, discussion closed.
The Hemroid Gallente True Karma	Posted - 2007.10.24 13:33:00 - [157] Edited by: The Hemroid on 24/10/2007 13:32:58 In my honest opinion pokey won. Gallantly I might add.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.24 17:23:00 - [158] Originally by: The Hemroid Edited by: The Hemroid on 24/10/2007 13:32:58 In my honest opinion pokey won. Gallantly I might add. Do you know how I know that Pokey is your alt? There was no argument for him to win. Screaming that I'm a stupid noob with no life isn't an argument. There's nothing about it to refute; its simply the inane temper tantrum of child. Only Pokey and his main could possibly think that there was something to be won. The absolutely precise combination of ill-though, immature and *****-brain logic required to make sense of his temper tantrum could only be recognized by himself. Which is laughable really. =p You give yourself away far too easily.
AizenSousuke Gallente Gear Ratio	Posted - 2007.10.24 17:57:00 - [159] Originally by: Curzon Dax Originally by: The Hemroid Edited by: The Hemroid on 24/10/2007 13:32:58 In my honest opinion pokey won. Gallantly I might add. Do you know how I know that Pokey is your alt? There was no argument for him to win. Screaming that I'm a stupid noob with no life isn't an argument. There's nothing about it to refute; its simply the inane temper tantrum of child. Only Pokey and his main could possibly think that there was something to be won. The absolutely precise combination of ill-though, immature and ***-brain logic required to make sense of his temper tantrum could only be recognized by himself. Which is laughable really. =p You give yourself away far too easily. Seriously.. What did you do ingame to get the guy so **ed off at you? I'm one to kinda lay low for this brand of drama, but I find this too amusing to keep quiet. Curzon, this guy seems to know the "truth" about your personal life all too well.. All his direct insults about what you do in real life makes it seem like hes stalking you.. I'd watch out! Pokey, Hemriod.. Whether you are both one person or two different people- the argument is over, man. He closed the topic, let it go. I mean, you DO know that all your insults and allegations amount to nothing, right? Its kinda childish to go on with a forum war when you know you're outgunned. Do the rest of us a favor.. Move on. Your intellectual levels seem to fall with each post. At least have the dignity to know when to drop the topic.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.24 18:08:00 - [160] This thread has just gone epic I'm on Curzon's side because he's cool and he makes funny parodies (Good PR FTW!), and it seems all his opponents can do is use alts and try to insult him personally Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking I owned someone on forums!!!
Durn Loze	Posted - 2007.10.24 18:26:00 - [161] Curzon put money into an endeavour he didn't have control over. That was unwise if he cared at all about getting anything for that money, whether that 'anything' was a growing solid corp or influence in the corp, etc. Basically, he willingly put the money into a corporation without any ability to control what happened in the longterm. You can't control how other people perceive things or what they do, regardless of the money you give them. Learn the lesson and move on. Don't dump money into things you don't have control over unless you are ready to lose that money with nothing to show for it.
Wesley Baird Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.10.24 18:37:00 - [162] This thread proves there are some creepy people in the world of eve...seriously...
Pokey McSmot	Posted - 2007.10.24 19:15:00 - [163] Whats really funny about the people that play this game is no one can accept that a toon without an alliance tag can be a main. This is my main just as much at Flied Rice or Bringing Sexyback is, i run my own 1 man corp and enjoy the game that way. I have never played poker with Curzon, and have never had any run ins with him in game. I am just sick of his lame a$$ whine threads where he deflects blame to others. Love him if you wish, after all if your nice enough to him he might throw some Isk your way, god knows he has in the past. I would rather deal with people that take responsibility for their actions and don't need to inform the community of thier daily troubles.
Neon Genesis The Landed Gentry	Posted - 2007.10.24 19:37:00 - [164] Originally by: Allisie Originally by: Curzon Dax Edited by: Curzon Dax on 23/10/2007 17:10:42 I was even defending C4FF. A month ago, Dodiez stopped liking what was happening, and we had some tense evenings in the house because I was trying to get her not to quit. Quote: That was the point where Dodiez started getting upset, and I kid you not - I had some unhappy nights defending CAFF. Quote: So yeah - I made the mistake of opening the doors to unworthy folks. C'mon, people, it's a game... You're an alt but i'm not. These quotes are hilarious and the way Curzon plays is a huge joke. _
The Hemroid Gallente True Karma	Posted - 2007.10.24 21:47:00 - [165] Edited by: The Hemroid on 24/10/2007 21:50:06 Indeed I am an alt but I have nothing to do with pokey, I just happen to agree with him. The reason I post is because I know that although curzon has "closed" the topic he will post more. He cannot let it go. (though by posting after this he admits I'm correct, so for once maybe he will shut up) Curzon, saying people are shouting immature crap without basis is annoying. Deny the obvious all you want, but not you nor your peculiar fanboi's will change reality. It seems to be your only comeback and I'm afraid that no matter how elegantly you say it, it amounts to a petty retort. Originally by: Curzon Dax I reserve the right to post "Haha, I told you so" in six months. :) If you still care about this in 6 months I reserve the right to point and laugh
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.24 23:08:00 - [166] Originally by: The Hemroid Curzon, saying people are shouting immature crap without basis is annoying. Deny the obvious all you want... [quote-Pokey McSnot] No one cares about your Eve relationship problems. Not even the internet has been successful in hiding your character flaws. The best advise you can take would be to cancel your accounts, and unplug. Fix yourself in RL because your lack of acceptable social skills is only hurting you. Your girlfriend/imaginary friend should also unplug and get a real life. Of course Real life is too scary for you, in the game you can hide behind your cyber characters and not have to deal with things like real friendships/relationships. Yes, because that clearly wasn't a bunch of flaming crap. Hemroid, I can't match wits with you. Short of jumping out of a window and landing on my head, whereas I'd be completely witless, we can't communicate on the same level. You do live up to your namesake though. Enjoy posting here with your main and your alt; it brings humorous reading to the rest of us. :)
Pokey McSmot	Posted - 2007.10.24 23:39:00 - [167] Another avoidance of the issue with a lame "If i were you i would go jump off a bridge" analogy. Go Curzon, go and continue to make more money then me... (on disability) Go drive a better car then me... (your Schwinn) Go Get laid more then me... (remember your hand and a **** site don't count) Bottom line here is you claim to be better then us. So why not show it by doing what you claim... That should leave you with very little time to have to try to match wits with us braindead "alts"... Oh thats right, its all fabrications of the truth, your whole life is this game and its a lie dude. Unplug and live your own REAL life. Remember in the end, no one cares about you here.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.24 23:53:00 - [168] Hey Curzon, I'll hold the ladder whle you swan dive off Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking I owned someone on forums!!!
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.25 00:50:00 - [169] Originally by: Pokey McSmot Remember in the end, no one cares about you here. Then feel free to stop stalking me around the forums. I have a whole collection of kiddies who like to run around trying to scamper up my coattails so that someone will notice them.
Pokey McSmot	Posted - 2007.10.25 01:11:00 - [170] LOL as this is not my alt you will see that i have never posted in your other whine threads, hardly a stalker. Thats cool though Curzon, Deflect criticism like you always do, think of me as a stalker if you wish, does't change the sad fact that you CAN NOT stay away. Its like the Battleship contest conflict a couple months back, 8+ pages of you saying you are done and not going to post anymore. That he was at fault for crying foul on the forum and you were above it. Sad thing is all anyone remembers is that you backed out of a deal, then bowed to public pressure to pay up, even then defecting your blame in the incident. So go ahead Curzon, run away, you closed the thread, its over right?
Shiodome Caldari Black Sea Industries Cult of War	Posted - 2007.10.25 01:52:00 - [171] ffs, i'd have kicked Curzon out of the corp too the way he represents himself here, quit whinging on the forums and go deal with things in the arena perfectly suited to it... you know the one with big guns, and financial warfare? whinging here is just attention seeking and an implicit acknowledgement you can't and won't do sht, go write a song for the 20 people that care, everyone else increasingly thinks you're a joke. _____________________________________ today i am this cool: [uncool]================[]====[cool]
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.25 03:59:00 - [172] I'd have Curzon in my corp, even if just for the PR Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking I owned someone on forums!!!
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.25 05:16:00 - [173] Originally by: Shiodome everyone else increasingly thinks you're a joke. That's the thing. I AM a joke. Everything I do is a joke. At least YOU recognize it. :) And Surfin, I'm too carebear for you. And besides, I couldn't bring myself to pirate. Or to sit on a gate. Or to see my security status drop to -10.0. I went from 5.0 to -1.0 in a week, its taken me forever to get it back to 1.0!!!
Pokey McSmot	Posted - 2007.10.25 06:09:00 - [174] Curzon.... He.... Just..... Can't.... Stay..... Away..... Must.... Have.... Drama.... For a thread that your "done" posting in, you sure do appear a lot in it.
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2007.10.25 06:58:00 - [175] Some times I think forum drama is the only reason I still play this game. B)
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.25 07:54:00 - [176] Edited by: Curzon Dax on 25/10/2007 07:54:21 Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad Some times I think forum drama is the only reason I still play this game. B) Sometimes, I feel the same way. Pokey, we quite understand. From your expert personal knowledge, we've gathered that I ride a bicycle with training wheels, I don't have a girlfriend and edit whack the willy edit constantly, likely to homoerotic material, I'm lame, don't have a life, am stupid and um...just waiting for you to add in that I'm a 13 year old acned kid with braces, glasses, and greasy hair that lives in the basement of my parents' house. Bring us the coupe d'etat.
Neon Genesis The Landed Gentry	Posted - 2007.10.25 08:10:00 - [177] Originally by: Curzon Dax Originally by: Shiodome everyone else increasingly thinks you're a joke. That's the thing. I AM a joke. Everything I do is a joke. At least YOU recognize it. :) And Surfin, I'm too carebear for you. And besides, I couldn't bring myself to pirate. Or to sit on a gate. Or to see my security status drop to -10.0. I went from 5.0 to -1.0 in a week, its taken me forever to get it back to 1.0!!! This is such a copout and it's making you look awful. _
Pokey McSmot	Posted - 2007.10.25 09:37:00 - [178] Curzon Wrote: just waiting for you to add in that I'm a 13 year old acned kid with braces, glasses, and greasy hair that lives in the basement of my parents' house. Bring us the coupe d'etat. Never would i mis-represent you in such a matter. again you try to put words in my mouth, I fully believe you to be in your 20's perhaps early 30's even. I believe you have beaten back the acne, (for the most part.) Can't afford the braces and probably lacks the majority of of your hair. Maybe even overgrowing what is left. As for living in your parents house, you have stated that you live with your GF (or perhaps non typing hand)and i will "go out on a limb" and take your word for that. Since disability and section 8 assisted housing makes living independently so affordable, i can believe this. My opinions have been straight forward, and easy to extrapolate from your vast collection of whining threads. You really don't need to give us misinformation to try and throw off the witless alts that so far have you pegged right on. BTW I will say again, this is my main...
Pokey McSmot	Posted - 2007.10.25 09:39:00 - [179] Oh and Neon, Don't worry about his cop out, its just another attempt by Curzon to deflect his realization of the truth. He won't stop, he can't stop.
Neon Genesis The Landed Gentry	Posted - 2007.10.25 10:53:00 - [180] Edited by: Neon Genesis on 25/10/2007 10:53:12 Originally by: Pokey McSmot Oh and Neon, Don't worry about his cop out, its just another attempt by Curzon to deflect his realization of the truth. He won't stop, he can't stop. It's a classic response to being overwhelmingly boo'd on a forum and suffering a breakdown, the tears gathering in his unkempt neckbeard. _
Tutomech	Posted - 2007.10.25 11:07:00 - [181] Have been following this thread a couple of days and it really has high entertainment value. Oh to add something constructive: I do believe that people judge others based on their own experience. Makes all the insults and personal attacks in this thread even more entertaining. So please do not let this thread die so soon... -- signature --- Bah. Signatures suck.
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.10.25 14:49:00 - [182] Originally by: Pokey McSmot ...some boring flame/pseudo-analysis of Curzon's life... You're deflecting the issue, which is that you suck in comparison to Curzon. I could go on and say you're a terrible no-lifer IRL, which may or may not be right, but it'd be ultimately just as stupid as your statements. However, if we look at EvE community, Curzon has mostly been a good guy, writes preety good (and fun) songs, and provides entertaining forum drama. You throw (non-humorous, I might add) personal insults. Which means, in comparison, you suck. Trying to gauge someone's RL exploits by his forum whoring abilities is basically impossible. What is valid is analyzing the things he says and does online, especially with EvE being a single-shard PvP based game, so everyone can go in-game and pod Curzon if he doesn't like him, or hire someone to do it. The reason why people say 'alt' at you is because, well, people who don't list their corp name are typically considered alts. Very new characters are considered alts as well. Alts are bad, because you can post whatever you like, and nobody can get a locator agent to track you and blow you up in-game. Nobody (not even you) can ruin your reputation (which is important in EvE) when you use an alt. I personally think that whichever web designer though it was a nifty idea to have a 'select character to post with' option for the forums was being stupid and not thinking. I suspect you are one, which makes your personal attacks on people who at least don't hide their EvE identity all the more annoying.
Pokey McSmot	Posted - 2007.10.25 16:46:00 - [183] Edited by: Pokey McSmot on 25/10/2007 17:01:09 LOL Branko must play poker with Curzon, just another fan boi for the rich and famous of Eve. I am sorry you don't find it funny, as myself and many others do, but it wasn't posted for YOUR enjoyment, it was posted for one sole purpose. To let Curzon know what people think of his lame a$$ posts. Curzon is a whiner bottom line. The community in general is tired of it. It is not just me, pick any of his whine threads and you will see the same. You are right about one thing though, I suck at Eve, as i am relatively new at the game, i am not yet influenced by no life multiple account elitists. That is not to say all long time Eve players are elitist, but some certainly have that holier than thou attitude. In Curzon's case it is in his arrogence that he thinks people care about his drama. In your case its in your fan boi defense of the self procaimed richest guy in Eve. As for where i hang out, look to the Kianti system. I am sure even you can find it in game. That is where i am at. all my "alts" If you feel you need a locator agent then feel free, but i will tell you where i am at.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.25 17:13:00 - [184] Here's another one who think's he alone speaks for the entire community... Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking I owned someone on forums!!!
Pokey McSmot	Posted - 2007.10.25 17:46:00 - [185] Edited by: Pokey McSmot on 25/10/2007 17:48:01 Sorry dude, you failed. There is a reason i spoke in generalities in the last post. I do not speak for the entire community. By saying the community in general implies a measurable portion of the community, not everyone in the forum. I am sure he can sing his little songs and post his drama in the general forum, though tired of his crap, at least then it would be in a more appropiate forum. That said, i have not had a problem with your posts Surfin, i have usually found them humerous or insightful on some relevent level, additionally the pirate\merc community seems to be the most down to earth group in the game.
Man ho	Posted - 2007.10.25 17:47:00 - [186] Edited by: Man ho on 25/10/2007 17:49:29 Originally by: Pokey McSmot Sorry dude, you failed. There is a reason i spoke in generalities in the last post. I do not speak for the entire community. By saying the community in general implies a measurable portion of the community, not everyone in the forum. I am sure he can sing his little songs and post his drama in the general forum, though tired of his crap, at least then it would be in a more appropiate forum. That says it all
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.25 18:59:00 - [187] Pokey + alt: Here's some hard truth. -Logic doesn't work with you. Its been tried and failed. -Anything I write, you will accuse of deflecting the truth. Its annoying. -You make a great deal of personal attacks, which clearly say something about yourself. -Others have quite clearly expressed their viewpoints of you. -You presume anyone who doesn't agree with you is my alt or fanboi - the only person who agrees with you is your alt. Thus, the entire Eve community consists of me! -You are generalizing for a community that doesn't agree with you. They're quite capable of posting in the forums themselves, and they are. You seem to keep ignoring what they write. Now, here's where we stand. I can't "own" you in posting - I did that already using logic and reason to absolutely rip to shreds everything you wrote. You resorted to some interesting personal attacks trying to characterize my real life. Now, that says something about your character indeed - but from this point on, you've decided that everything I say is deflecting criticism from me. Despite the fact that the bulk of people posting here are criticizing you for being a tard. Well, except for your alt and you. So the moral of the story is this: When encountering a dimwitted forum flamer, who's ammunition consists of "Lets pretend I know about you in real life" - you sort of have to take the dim-witted part into serious account. Logic and reason are tools that they don't understand, as are communal consensus and mass opinion. I suppose that anything you say is unwinnable in their eyes, and proof that you're the scum of the earth Pokey + alt, I've learned a valuable lesson here - sometimes, you have to ignore the really dumb ones. Suppose I'll be intentionally ignoring you and your alt. Looks like two of them now. You've taught me that you're incapable of holding a meaningful discussion. And your inevitable response of "you stupid moron, you're just deflecting criticism at someone else again, you no-lifed balding middle aged geek with no life who needs forum drama that everyone hates and you suck blah blah blah..." Well, like I said. Point taken about dumb people. =p
Pokey McSmot	Posted - 2007.10.25 19:58:00 - [188] You never answer the the comments brought against you, just deflect by calling us dim witted, give some lame made up story about how you would have to fall off a building to match wits with us. So no, you never shreaded any comments from me, or anyone else critial of you. Your logic and reason you call it is fundamentally flawed, Instead you try to put words in our mouth, misquote what we say, and generally sidestep any critism of yourself. Thats called denial dude, you suffer from it. And its a bad condition to have. You refuse to accept any truth, even the fact that i am posting on my main is something you can't handle. You assume that since i don't have a tag i must be an alt. I wish we all could live in Curzon's fantasy world, No personal blame or responsibility is required there. In case you haven't heard Curzon, Eve is a game, not your real life. Go live your real life dude, have an accomplishment outside of this game and i will applaud you. Quote from Curzon, And your inevitable response of "you stupid moron, you're just deflecting criticism at someone else again, you no-lifed balding middle aged geek with no life who needs forum drama that everyone hates and you suck blah blah blah..." The only response i am repeating here is that you don't accept responsibility, the rest of your interpratation of my response is in my opinion a given, and does not need to repeated again. I really do hope you ignore me, though i know you won't. What would really be cool is that you decide that you truely are cooler then us, and leave the game for real life endevours. We all would be better off in that scenario.
Dr Cron Northern Lights Number 5	Posted - 2007.10.25 20:13:00 - [189] my honest opinion is that Curzon is obviously an attention ***... pointing out this obvious fact does not make it less so. non pvp related threads in this forum, personal issues, clever songs, etc.. this is all truly entertaining if not entirely appropriate. Personal insults may be way out of line yet I do secretly wonder how fat dodiez ass must really be**... his fake pvping is the real entertainment tho... thats where curzon's identity is truly pathetic
ry ry StateCorp The State	Posted - 2007.10.25 22:19:00 - [190] Originally by: Dr Cron Personal insults may be way out of line yet I do secretly wonder how fat dodiez ass must really be... this thread is useless without pics.

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