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Neon Genesis The Landed Gentry	Posted - 2007.10.22 00:29:00 - [91] Originally by: Curzon Dax But when I wholeheartedly commit to something, I commit to it. Mayhap you don't understand what that means. But I'll give the shirt off my back to help my friends. Which...is why I'm so frustrated about how this turned out. Originally by: Curzon Dax Curzon Dax > I'm TELLING you how things are going to go. Curzon Dax > I'm going to rejoin the Ninjas, and to the extent that I'm willing to, I'm going to control the Ninjas. You are making a fool of yourself. _
Dodiez Gallente ScaryScaryNoobs	Posted - 2007.10.22 00:59:00 - [92] Originally by: The Hemroid Originally by: Dodiez Hello. Please start at the beginning of the thread and read until the end. You would find that most of the things you have to say have already been addressed. Like I said before, Curzon only mentioned that he bought stuff for the corp to use as a point of reference; not for any other reason. He didn't care about the isk. He bought things to further the corp and to help it grow. He never expected anything in return. His ideas and thoughts were used quite frequently in the ninjas, both CEOs benefited from his 'life experience' and were appreciative. Hell, the current corp set-up of the directors was his idea! It was only when rumors began of him wanting to be in charge that the **** hit the fan. Both CEOs should have known him better, and had more trust in him. And no, we don't 'hotlink' anything, since I don't know what that means. I don't need anything to tell me how to think or what to say, but you're sweet for saying so. Thanks for calling our child an abomination. I guess it's better than being a boil on the butt of humanity. You're missing the point. That being you are both extremely annoying. I'd take tiller's epeen posts over this petty crap. It is interesting that wherever someone irks curzon you are always one step behind in posting after him in support. Maybe not that uncommon for a couple to support each other but this is a game, social aspects aside its still just a game. Learn to play Overly emotional North Americans FTL Sorry if loyalty is annoying to you. Maybe you wouldn't defend your significant other's position, however, since I've been a part of this through the whole thing, and because this also involves me, I have every right to post. Deal with it. This may be petty to you, but this thread was just to get people's opinions on what they would do in a similar position, and to find out what options were available. Since Eve is unique with its corps of underhanded people that can be hired, it followed to reason that this would be a good way to find out who and what they are. We have done this, and have had lots of good ideas and a sense of what can be done. This thread has served its purpose. Thanks to all those who have responded with your suggestions. Now I need a new sig.... :(
The Hemroid Gallente True Karma	Posted - 2007.10.22 01:41:00 - [93] Don't put words in my mouth, I said nothing about loyalty, I said I find your incessant need for attention to be annoying. You've read my posts and saw only that it disagrees with your way of thinking (typically American btw) and reacted in the expected fashion by not addressing anything, instead saying it was already covered in earlier posts, which again doesn't address a single point made. (As I believe I'm going to have to spell it out very clearly, you have done nothing but repeat the same lines over and over, "Curzon was wronged, we just want advice" etc. This could have been done far more efficiently by actually asking merc corps for a price and getting on with it, since curzon seems so adamant on "getting even" asking for opinions is entirely irrelevant. But no, that means wasting the opportunity to try and get even more attention, and possibly sway the few inhabitants of eve who give a **** in your favour) Congratulations, you are both the sorest of losers and fail miserably at debate.
Dreacon nass Racketeers	Posted - 2007.10.22 01:52:00 - [94] Originally by: Spitzerr Originally by: C4FF Oh, my, god. Curzon i cant believe you actually posted this here. OK the gloves are off.. hnoes teh homosexual gloves!! sig.... is... awsome..... ~~~~~
Rudy Metallo Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.10.22 01:55:00 - [95] Originally by: The Hemroid Don't put words in my mouth, I said nothing about loyalty, I said I find your incessant need for attention to be annoying. You've read my posts and saw only that it disagrees with your way of thinking (typically American btw) and reacted in the expected fashion by not addressing anything, instead saying it was already covered in earlier posts, which again doesn't address a single point made. (As I believe I'm going to have to spell it out very clearly, you have done nothing but repeat the same lines over and over, "Curzon was wronged, we just want advice" etc. This could have been done far more efficiently by actually asking merc corps for a price and getting on with it, since curzon seems so adamant on "getting even" asking for opinions is entirely irrelevant. But no, that means wasting the opportunity to try and get even more attention, and possibly sway the few inhabitants of eve who give a ** in your favour) Congratulations, you are both the sorest of losers and fail miserably at debate. I respond to this, with this! Originally by:** Surfin's PlunderBunny Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 22/10/2007 00:07:49 Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 22/10/2007 00:07:09 C4 [read: Hemroid] is using a basic liberal debating tequnique... if you can't come up with a coherent argument, attack them personally... call them either a racist or a facist. Even if you are a white brit... Next move should be saying something about your past that has no bearing on the situation at all -- We are the revolutionaries. We are the usurpers of the heavenly throne. We are the enemies of the Gods.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.22 01:55:00 - [96] Originally by: The Hemroid Don't put words in my mouth, I said nothing about loyalty, I said I find your incessant need for attention to be annoying. You've read my posts and saw only that it disagrees with your way of thinking (typically American btw) and reacted in the expected fashion by not addressing anything, instead saying it was already covered in earlier posts, which again doesn't address a single point made. (As I believe I'm going to have to spell it out very clearly, you have done nothing but repeat the same lines over and over, "Curzon was wronged, we just want advice" etc. This could have been done far more efficiently by actually asking merc corps for a price and getting on with it, since curzon seems so adamant on "getting even" asking for opinions is entirely irrelevant. But no, that means wasting the opportunity to try and get even more attention, and possibly sway the few inhabitants of eve who give a ** in your favour) Congratulations, you are both the sorest of losers and fail miserably at debate. Congratulations, you really DIDN'T read the earlier posts. Refer for example...to the first post in this thread where I addressed the mercenary potential, as well as later posts where I invited any potential mercenaries to present me with a proposal of how they would deal with this particular corp. Why are you posting here? Are you an attention ***? This thread is for unique opinions on how to deal with a corp that is extremely difficult to engage in warfare, not for you to whine about how American suck and how you shouldn't have to post anything relevant to a discussion.
bwill220 Laughing Leprechauns Corporation	Posted - 2007.10.22 02:03:00 - [97] Originally by: The Hemroid It is interesting that wherever someone irks curzon you are always one step behind in posting after him in support. Maybe not that uncommon for a couple to support each other but this is a game, social aspects aside its still just a game. Learn to play Originally by: Dodiez Sorry if loyalty is annoying to you. Maybe you wouldn't defend your significant other's position, however, since I've been a part of this through the whole thing, and because this also involves me, I have every right to post. Deal with it. Originally by: The Hemroid You've read my posts and saw only that it disagrees with your way of thinking (typically American btw) and reacted in the expected fashion by not addressing anything, instead saying it was already covered in earlier posts, which again doesn't address a single point made. Sure she did.....she defended her right to post as she's been involved with situation throughout, which is what you questioned. I however haven't and have no place to post in here :) I think the more effective outcome of making this all public is Curzon has probably hurt the trust of any recruits Ninja's tries to bring in. Best case for Curzon's effort, they shut recruiting down for an undetermined amount of time, which for a corp that I guess has activity issues, will just keep activity low, which may lead to more members leaving. Worst case, they still don't trust new recruits, either alienating them, blaming them for questionable activities in the future, or allowing one of these "hired" recruits to hurt the corp from the inside. Should Ninja's wish, I am available to be hired to specifically bring the Curzon Dax isk empire down, through whoopin his butt in poker until we have all his isk. You just have to cover any losses :)
Mirana Niranne The Ninja Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.22 02:14:00 - [98] Originally by: Dodiez Originally by: The Hemroid Originally by: Dodiez Originally by: Onyx Nightshine BS And all of this from the dude who was naming the corp's alts during wartime in our ninja public channel...not to mention smack-talking the war targets in said channel even after you were told to stfu. Do you hotlink threads to each other and plan out what to say and stuff? You're almost as bad as the goons. You didn't have to stay with the ninja's curzon, no-one made you buy stuff for them. You have a habit of throwing your isk around like it's nothing so what are you really crying about? You behaved like a child and mouthed off, got kicked from the corp. You expected that because you bought people some stuff that they should listen to you and your 'life experience' and now you are dragging it onto the forums like the attention starved moron you are. The only reason people are talking about hiring mercs and infiltration artists is because they know they can milk tons of isk off you. Hell, I'll probably send a mail on one of many many alts detailing how I can screw over the ninja's for a mere couple of bil. All I can say is I feel sorry for whatever abomination you two give birth to. Hello. Please start at the beginning of the thread and read until the end. You would find that most of the things you have to say have already been addressed. Like I said before, Curzon only mentioned that he bought stuff for the corp to use as a point of reference; not for any other reason. He didn't care about the isk. He bought things to further the corp and to help it grow. He never expected anything in return. His ideas and thoughts were used quite frequently in the ninjas, both CEOs benefited from his 'life experience' and were appreciative. Hell, the current corp set-up of the directors was his idea! It was only when rumors began of him wanting to be in charge that the hit the fan. Both CEOs should have known him better, and had more trust in him. And no, we don't 'hotlink' anything, since I don't know what that means. I don't need anything to tell me how to think or what to say, but you're sweet for saying so. Thanks for calling our child an abomination. I guess it's better than being a boil on the butt of humanity. I put some text up there in bold. I have said before and I'll say again. The **** hitting the fan happened when Curzon decided to be a complete ass by being verbally abusive towards our CEO in a corpwide vent meeting. It was decided he would not be a part of T NC any longer before we were even made aware of his supposed ambitions to take over the corp. What you two are doing is taking a very simple matter, one where outright rudeness to fellow corpmates will result in a swift boot from the corp, and trying to tie in political intrigues and conspiracy theories where there are none. If I felt threatened by Curzon I would have booted you about 5 seconds after the decision was made to boot him, knowing he has access to your account. Hey, he's your man, I understand why you had to leave, I understand why you have to take his side, and you should choose him over us hands down, no questions... but really now, lets keep this to what it is: The Ninjas are really mean people who kicked out someone who made a complete ass of himself instead of giving him a second chance, and based on the forum drama he decided to create afterwards, it's quite apparent we made the right decision. Just think how dramatic this would have been if we had waited for him to get himself kicked out in another 3 months and a few billion isk later? This thread is more emo than a Linkin Park song Curzon. GG
Dr Cron Northern Lights Number 5	Posted - 2007.10.22 02:24:00 - [99] Wait go back to the part where some Drama Queen stole some other Drama Queens orange soda...
Swamp Kitsune	Posted - 2007.10.22 02:48:00 - [100] I'm mostly a lurker, but in most of Curzan's drama, he may make stupid choices, but he doesn't lie or fabricate. I'd be more inclined, especially with the way ninja coalition is responding (Mostly personal attacks and double entendree's (that the word?) about what they've actually done, did) to believe that curzan is the one less full of @#$% :P
Spitzerr Racketeers	Posted - 2007.10.22 02:50:00 - [101] Originally by: hellsknights Originally by: Spitzerr "Ninja" Coalition. Fly around and cloak like little "ninja" girls when danger shows up lmao They are a bunch of e-tards, saw their ceo on eve-tv.. Not impressed Good luck beating them into pieces. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=618540 OMG, this is off topic but im surprised you picked and that CCP permits the use of a sig with **** signs in it. You are one dumb bastard, you have no idea what the symbol represents. BTW, im not even Jewish and i find it offensive. _______________________________________________
The Hemroid Gallente True Karma	Posted - 2007.10.22 02:58:00 - [102] Edited by: The Hemroid on 22/10/2007 03:03:15 Edited by: The Hemroid on 22/10/2007 03:02:16 Edited by: The Hemroid on 22/10/2007 03:00:02 Edited by: The Hemroid on 22/10/2007 02:59:32 Originally by: Curzon Dax Congratulations, you really DIDN'T read the earlier posts. Refer for example...to the first post in this thread where I addressed the mercenary potential, as well as later posts where I invited any potential mercenaries to present me with a proposal of how they would deal with this particular corp. Why are you posting here? Are you an attention *****? This thread is for unique opinions on how to deal with a corp that is extremely difficult to engage in warfare, not for you to whine about how American suck and how you shouldn't have to post anything relevant to a discussion. Why am I posting here? Maybe I'm just baiting you and your wench, and the fact that what I'm saying makes sense is merely icing on the cake...maybe. EDIT:Seriously dude, lose the swastika, its not funny/ironic/post sarcastic. It's just more pathetic attention seeking. Rack looks bad enough already. Another Edit, I;ll be petitioning just as soon as I can be bothered.
Cyberflayer Vagabonds Unincorporated	Posted - 2007.10.22 04:09:00 - [103] This is all very regrettable; I thought both TNC and Curzon Dax were quite likeable before this thread. I even got a donation from that Eriks Black for a Stabber once - he was a real pleasure to talk to. Now I don't know what to think...do I like one over the other? Both equally? Either at all? Or does it not even matter, being the insignificant party that I am? I suppose all cake, even the cake that is not cake, is a lie in the end... - Blog Below
Soren PAK	Posted - 2007.10.22 06:03:00 - [104] Why is this thread here? Stop turning C&P into CAOD. k? ☠-->-->--
Der Prophet	Posted - 2007.10.22 10:13:00 - [105] "Overly emotional North Americans FTL" "(typically American btw)" RAAAACCIISSSMMMMMM!!!! But really. Don't hate on all of America. Just hate the Lower 48, they Epically FAIL. Also they charge me more for shipping even though they ship the same to ******* Alaska as they do Vermont. $30 for 2nd day WTF.
Eftim S'Jet Racketeers	Posted - 2007.10.22 10:25:00 - [106] If one Curzon wasn't enough, now we got these new drama queens. What the hell is happening ? --- RAK Space!
Ed Kraka Racketeers	Posted - 2007.10.22 11:35:00 - [107] Can we Dec Curzon Dax? I think its about time he paid for being such a panzie. What with all the singing and crap. I reckon he might be an amputee you know, to have so much time on his hands.... Tactical Mastermind
Johncrab Minmatar Typo Corp	Posted - 2007.10.22 13:50:00 - [108] Originally by: Curzon Dax ... What options do I have? They've lost my respect amidst such poor decision making, and personally betrayed me. But I don't know how to make them pay. Suggestions? Buy all cloaking devices on the market
Tom Boll	Posted - 2007.10.22 14:16:00 - [109] Originally by: Johncrab Buy all cloaking devices on the market Winner!
Ujagar Sommdax Gallente Wages Of Sin Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.10.22 14:48:00 - [110] You're almost flooding this thread as much as former RAK mates are in some other threads... GJ Cumzon and noodlez keep it up - - - - - Q.(-.- ).o
Kayna Eelai Gallente GNATHIC	Posted - 2007.10.22 15:33:00 - [111] i'll take a guess... a whole guild, in stealth bombers, CEO and many others with crap attitude? sounds like exiled world of warcraft player, noob undead rogues to be exact. curzon, here is what i suggest u do as revenge: ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. and when their guild fails miserably in less than one week after stepping into 0.0, you can make another nice song of yours pointing and laughing at them. fixed to 23.15 kB (23710 bytes)
Drakolus Amarr NCL Research	Posted - 2007.10.22 20:42:00 - [112] Either hire (if it is even possible) Guiding Hands Social Club or someone with the same methods or... Get a marriage/relationship counsellor... Ooh, third option. Jerry Springer! Either way it will require patience to set up a truly worthy revenge. NCL Research - We don't research jack
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.22 20:44:00 - [113] Originally by: Kayna Eelai i'll take a guess... a whole guild, in stealth bombers, CEO and many others with crap attitude? sounds like exiled world of warcraft player, noob undead rogues to be exact. curzon, here is what i suggest u do as revenge: ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. and when their guild fails miserably in less than one week after stepping into 0.0, you can make another nice song of yours pointing and laughing at them. WHAT GUILD??? (INTERNATIONAL CAPS LOCK DAY!) Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking I owned someone on forums!!!
Kayna Eelai Gallente GNATHIC	Posted - 2007.10.22 22:25:00 - [114] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny WHAT GUILD??? (INTERNATIONAL CAPS LOCK DAY!) ouch. touchT! the mere mentioning of undead rogues probably melted some of my chips :D fixed to 23.15 kB (23710 bytes)
Rudy Metallo Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.10.23 00:30:00 - [115] Originally by: Kayna Eelai Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny WHAT GUILD??? (INTERNATIONAL CAPS LOCK DAY!) ouch. touchT! the mere mentioning of undead rogues probably melted some of my chips :D /me smacks the WoW lover. SILENCE YOU. Back to the topic. -- We are the revolutionaries. We are the usurpers of the heavenly throne. We are the enemies of the Gods.
Nagen	Posted - 2007.10.23 05:23:00 - [116] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 22/10/2007 00:07:49 Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 22/10/2007 00:07:09 C4 is using a basic liberal debating tequnique... if you can't come up with a coherent argument, attack them personally... call them either a racist or a facist. Even if you are a white brit... Next move should be saying something about your past that has no bearing on the situation at all actually it is the conservative way of debating things - people who lack the logic and ability to think and by necessity stick to the good ol' traditional conservative ways and have to resort to personal attacks to replace the missing thought process In response to the OP, sounds like you invested in the corp where you didn't believe in the ability of its leadership. That was a stupid move. Before you put in time and iskies into the corp you should have made sure that their goals and vision and ability to lead would correspond to what you'd like to see. Before you invest in a corp you have to check that you're all on the same page and that you're officially one of corps official leaders, and not do it the other way around.
Pokey McSmot	Posted - 2007.10.23 06:32:00 - [117] The drama, oh the drama! Curzon, after awhile you must realize that if you are always somehow involved in drama that you must have some guilt in the process. The sad thing is that this thread like all Curzon's drama threads have not been locked. No one cares about your Eve relationship problems. Not even the internet has been successful in hiding your character flaws. The best advise you can take would be to cancel your accounts, and unplug. Fix yourself in RL because your lack of acceptable social skills is only hurting you. Your girlfriend/imaginary friend should also unplug and get a real life. Of course Real life is too scary for you, in the game you can hide behind your cyber characters and not have to deal with things like real friendships/relationships. Bottom line, go away, you will not be missed, no one will cry over you, we will all enjoy a break from your dirty laundry.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.23 07:32:00 - [118] Originally by: Pokey McSmot Envious rantings of a teenaged virginal white kid I can hardly fault you for lacking the requisite intelligence and mental capacity to find humor in my forum whinings - for the times when I post something serious are few and far between. Eloquently protraying a fictional grievance in depth towards a significant other for gasp drinking the last orange soda in the fridge, and demanding that the incident be used as fuel to provoke a men vs. women war isn't exactly what I'd call a relationship problem. I'm guessing that you've never had one of those relationship thingies - there's no way anyone of even minor worldly experience, or whom has ever conversed with someone of the opposite gender could mistake my threads (except for this one) for what they are: A break from the constant bickering, complaining, and epeen wagging that C&P consists of. I won't elaborate on my contentment with my real life; there's no point in a forum. But suffice to say that I make more money than you, my car is nicer than yours, and I get laid more than you do. Also, post with your main nubbins. Flamers like you make the forums fun for me. :)
Excaliblur Gallente Freedom-Technologies	Posted - 2007.10.23 08:16:00 - [119] Edited by: Excaliblur on 23/10/2007 08:17:11 Originally by: Curzon Dax Originally by: Pokey McSmot Envious rantings of a teenaged virginal white kid I can hardly fault you for lacking the requisite intelligence and mental capacity to find humor in my forum whinings - for the times when I post something serious are few and far between. Eloquently protraying a fictional grievance in depth towards a significant other for gasp drinking the last orange soda in the fridge, and demanding that the incident be used as fuel to provoke a men vs. women war isn't exactly what I'd call a relationship problem. I'm guessing that you've never had one of those relationship thingies - there's no way anyone of even minor worldly experience, or whom has ever conversed with someone of the opposite gender could mistake my threads (except for this one) for what they are: A break from the constant bickering, complaining, and epeen wagging that C&P consists of. I won't elaborate on my contentment with my real life; there's no point in a forum. But suffice to say that I make more money than you, my car is nicer than yours, and I get laid more than you do. Also, post with your main nubbins. Flamers like you make the forums fun for me. :) Lol he just owned you. Back on topic though, Curzon has posted with integrity and his posts are obviousley of a more mature level then some of the posts on this thread. Looks like a nice guy who got f****d over by a corp which he helped. Iv'e been in the same situation in previous mmorpg's which is why in EvE I keep my head down and plod along. Imo if your a ceo of a corp you shuld "lead" the corp/guild/clan whatever. If you don't have the time, recources or leadership needed then pass it on to somebody who has. Nobody likes an absent leader. Lol at the racist remarks, I'm british caucasion and I despise what Britain has become, but thats another issue, good luck in whatever you decide to do Curzon. ______________________________________ ~Excaliblur~
The Hemroid Gallente True Karma	Posted - 2007.10.23 10:24:00 - [120] Originally by: Curzon Dax I won't elaborate on my contentment with my real life; there's no point in a forum. But suffice to say that I make more money than you, my car is nicer than yours, and I get laid more than you do. Also, post with your main nubbins. Enjoy the VD mate. Originally by: Excaliblur Lol he just owned you. Back on topic though, Curzon has posted with integrity and his posts are obviousley of a more mature level then some of the posts on this thread. Looks like a nice guy who got f****d over by a corp which he helped. If you'd been paying attention and weren't Curzon/dodeiz alt/zealot fanboy you would clearly see that Curzon is making a big deal out of his own mistakes. Trying to shift the blame so to speak. He refuses to acknowledge this and that is why anyone with sense is berating him. The fact that the ceo was afk from eve for ages (something I hate btw) didn't give him an excuse to mouth off. He could have bought them a mothership for all I care it doesn't change the fact that he mouthed off to the boss, which undermines his authority regardless of Curzons intent. It blew up in his face so he goes to the forums.

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