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Haks'he Lirky
Dominion Imperium
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Posted - 2007.10.21 01:11:00 -
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Today I saw a thread from a player reporting in after 6 weeks of playing stating the things that he liked/disliked about eve, since my fifth year playing this game is coming to an end in a few day's I think something similar should be done from my end, expecially since this game still makes me feel like a n00b.
1. I am used to things not working, moreover I become extremely annoyed when these frigging n00bs cant accept that this game aint perfect on the client/tech side and will never become perfect. NERF n00bs plz!
Looking beyond the small issues to see the bigger picture is something that EVE has taught me to appreciate. Chalk one up for eve.
2. Battlecruisers, I love these, now the n00bs stand a chance when I war dec them in empire. Short skill training and nber mode pretty close by, tis perfect. To bad it devalued most cruisers down to being next to useless.
3. Amarr, sigh, the amarr... Everytime I have a amarr corp mate talking about what ship he should fly in the gang and I start looking over his possibilities and I see that useless laser bonus on every ship I imagine some pvp God crying and sacrificing a lamb, why oh why hasnt that been fixed yet? Give these poor sods something! The only ship that doesnt have that stupid thing in the amarr lineup is the Curse/pilgrim and these two are arguably the "coolest" ships to fly from the amarr lineup. I think any amarr would **** his/hers pants if lasers would just take 50% less cap to shoot and then get an extra bonus on every amarr ship, dang, probably make eve R rated for a while. (Dark Shikari's idea not mine, at least I saw it in his post somewhere).
4. 0.0 - some love it, some dont.. I dont, I await factional warfare and hope that it will be something else than 0.0 warfare. Until then I will continue being a certified eve lowlife and wardec empire corporations for a fee.
5. Low-sec, someone talked about this in some thread somewhere, today it's filled with pirates hunting each other it seems. They all think they are pirates or pirate hunters yet they are just flying around in some twilight zone between 0.0 and empire trying to yell YARR at each other while the fat merchants grow rich in empire. I dont know how it could be done but ccp needs to focus some attention on this are to find out if it's possible to "boost" the way of life down there... as I mentioned in point 4, we dont all like 0.0 pvp.
6. oh, I do like eve's version of pve, it's fantastic, love it. But i prefer not to participate in it :)
7. yes, and macro miners **** me off, they belittle my mining efforts in the past when seeing a 300k mountain of veldspar was my lil wet dream.
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So thats it, hoping for another 5 years of eve.
p.s sorry about the spelling, cant be arsed to spellcheck this for you guys.
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Firkragg
Blue Labs
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.10.21 01:14:00 -
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in regards to point 5 i stick to my plan of whining till CCP move all lelve 4 missions to low sec. It doesnt affect me either way as i dont either mission or live in low sec but it will at least increase traffic and fix the broken risk reward structure that exists,
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Xaen
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.10.21 01:28:00 -
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 Originally by: Firkragg
in regards to point 5 i stick to my plan of whining till CCP move all lelve 4 missions to low sec. It doesnt affect me either way as i dont either mission or live in low sec but it will at least increase traffic and fix the broken risk reward structure that exists,
Won't happen. Ever. CCP has repeatedly and openly acknowledged that their customer base has a large care bear contingent and they regularly and repeatedly take steps to keep those customers happy. Moving all lvl 4 missions to lowsec would essentially cost a huge portion of their care bear customers. Moving them would be tantamount to opening a vein. Quit wasting your time.
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Haks'he Lirky
Dominion Imperium
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Posted - 2007.10.21 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: Xaen
Originally by: Firkragg
in regards to point 5 i stick to my plan of whining till CCP move all lelve 4 missions to low sec. It doesnt affect me either way as i dont either mission or live in low sec but it will at least increase traffic and fix the broken risk reward structure that exists,
Won't happen. Ever. CCP has repeatedly and openly acknowledged that their customer base has a large care bear contingent and they regularly and repeatedly take steps to keep those customers happy. Moving all lvl 4 missions to lowsec would essentially cost a huge portion of their care bear customers. Moving them would be tantamount to opening a vein. Quit wasting your time.
actually this is a good point, solving the lowsec issue cant be done by taking existing mechanics and "move" them to lowsec.
Today people go there to look for pvp action not carebear activities, in 0.0 the balance is better as both things can be performed.
But forcing someone to lowsec to do what he does in empire isnt a solution, something new and fresh is needed.
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Master Han
The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency
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Posted - 2007.10.21 01:37:00 -
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8. Mining Barges can't enter 0.9 and up, while Exhumers cant go to .6 and up.
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Transcendant One
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Posted - 2007.10.21 01:39:00 -
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Simple solution: boost low sec belt rats/ores. Create an incentive for people to go, don't force them. If you remove them from high sec carebears will either move to 0.0 or speed run lvl 3s rather than run the risk of losing their ships.
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umop 3pisdn
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.10.21 01:56:00 -
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In regards to low sec issues, some people have the balls for it and some dont, you just have to pretend those that dont have the balls dont exist and get CCP to focus on how they can make it better for everyone else.
Some people just dont like getting ganked, it stresses them out too much.
The large population in empire makes the empty wilderness of 0.0 seem a little more wild i suppose...
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Xaldor
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Posted - 2007.10.21 02:06:00 -
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Originally by: Firkragg
in regards to point 5 i stick to my plan of whining till CCP move all lelve 4 missions to low sec. It doesnt affect me either way as i dont either mission or live in low sec but it will at least increase traffic and fix the broken risk reward structure that exists,
The answer is not to force people to go there to do basic things, the answer is to make lowsec more attractive so the risk reflects the reward.
Start adding some level 6 agents in low-sec, these can be like L4s but be more lucrative with higher pay-outs, a go between L4s and Complexes where there is the possibility for exceptional rewards.
L4 running for the time they take to do isn't an awesome level of isk/hour. You actually want Lowsec reward to be higher than 0.0 as odd as that sounds because 0.0 other than rats is relatively safe where large alliances control a lot of space, there is more carebear going on smack in the middle of a big alliance's 0.0 territory than in highsec.
Lowsec is where all the Pirates are and present a massive level of risk, even carriers have been blown out of lowsec space. There is significantly more PvP risk associated in lowsec than in the vast majority of 0.0 outside of alliances that are at war. In lowsec there is no real sense of control, it is chaotic space.
0.0 has it's appeal because it is controllable space, highsec has its appeal for the newer players or those flying one-shot-wonder ships. Lowsec fails to be the go-between and moving highsec content into lowsec is just going to make it harder for those that suffer losses and setbacks from PvP or warfare to be able to get back on their feet.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.10.21 02:12:00 -
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So then what is the point of this thread? To prove that whether you've been here for a few weeks or a few years, you can be equally as stupid?
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Haks'he Lirky
Dominion Imperium
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Posted - 2007.10.21 03:11:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt
So then what is the point of this thread? To prove that whether you've been here for a few weeks or a few years, you can be equally as stupid?
I need a point?
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Tharsgaard
Caldari
Fukd up Beyond all Reckognition
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Posted - 2007.10.21 03:12:00 -
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Originally by: Haks'he Lirky
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
So then what is the point of this thread? To prove that whether you've been here for a few weeks or a few years, you can be equally as stupid?
I need a point?
-1 for the op
You do now.
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Andreya
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.10.21 08:04:00 -
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1: correct me if im wrong, but i've been on the internet for 15 years now, and i believe the correct spelling of a 'new person' is newb, from the original word, newbie... then all the wannabie tried to be cool by adding zeros instead of 'O's to make the word noob, also pronounced newb. meaning newb is the veteran word making anyone who calls people n00bs a newb. you nub
    
yarr
2: BC's, the tier 2 ones were a bad addition to eve, they made cruisers less usefull, and are too cheap for how much they can tank...
3: with the amarr using missiles i think they have gotten a huge buff, i had zero missile ships, but i am now training amar cruiser 5 (and frig) for their great new toys
thats my 2 cents
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Sirial Soulfly
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Posted - 2007.10.21 10:06:00 -
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5 years in eve eh, since your epeen is here on public display now, could you share some of your accomplishments ?
As in skill point amount and wallet amount, out of curiosity of course.
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Magners Marauders
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Posted - 2007.10.21 10:23:00 -
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When i started playing 10 years ago things were much better then now... 
Yes... I was beeing sarcastic.
I love eve, but i hate the people who think eve should be played 'THEIR' way, and don't understand why not everybody thinks that 'THEIR' way of play is the best way there is anyways.
I don't care how u play but please leave MY way of playing out if it, thank u.
CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
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KeyserSoze
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Posted - 2007.10.21 10:48:00 -
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When i started the 1st thing i wanted to do is kill ships, this is impossible in eve. You cant just get in a ship and go soloing around. THATS what new players need to know. i do remember going out in my pimped merlin in lowsec and going afk and getting popped by a crusier. pvp does need to change tho, roaming for 20 odd jumps to get some action.
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.10.21 10:55:00 -
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I've only been playing for 3 years and 8 months but I agree with the OP. Well - I don't agree with his chosen career but I see nothing else to disagree with. L5 missions were an opportunity to get runners into low-sec but they seem to have failed. Too little reward, too much risk.
Unfortunately that balancing point between reward/risk is nigh-on impossible to achieve. Make the reward large enough to work and you risk rampant inflation. Players control the attrition rate not the game engine and that's a problem. That is probably why L5 missions only drop tags...but the market for those hasn't really taken off to a wide enough extent.
We just have to hope that it gradually improves.
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Wild Rho
Amarr
Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.10.21 11:04:00 -
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My only thought after 5 years of playing is basically along the lines of "Oh God, I'm still freaking broke!"
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Jacque DeCoure
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Posted - 2007.10.21 11:14:00 -
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Had my first PvP experience yesterday.
It was in Low-sec. I was with a gang of people that Decided to give a lvl 5 agent a try. Here's the short on the Lvl 5 agent: the mission was crap. We had roughly 7 pilots, 2-3 of which could fly Carriers, but we couldn't use them because the mish had an accel gate - so they used command ships. Total gang was 3 command ships, 2 BS and 2 BC's.. we couldn't kill a single thing - no one could tank the DPS for more than a couple seconds. Any one of us could solo lvl 4's with no problem... LP reward on the lvl 5 mission - if we were to complete it? 10,000 LP. the lvl 4 mission in the exact same system was 8,000 LP. what crap..
I mention that because this is a big reason why Lvl 5 missions suck - we knew it would going there.. but we wanted to give it a try. None of us lost a ship, so no biggie... Well atleast not to the mish. One of our guys went off on his own and got ambushed by 2 pirates. we warped in, but beause none of us had scrams: the pirates got away as soon as they popped our guy.
Obviously, our guy shouldn't have been off on his own.. especially since we were all mission fitted. Sure we could do enough damage to get rid of the pirates - but we couldn't prevent them from warping away.
So.. with that being said: Boost lvl 5 rewards, and beef up gate guns - this is all that is really needed to inject life into low sec.
Beef up gate guns and people will be more willing to step into low sec because gates will probably be safe. (I'm talking seriously beef up the guns)..
Then increase the reward for lvl 5. We had 7 pilots who could easily have earned 5k LP each in the time which we spent trying to do this mission... that alone means that it should have been atleast 35k LP... and we couldn't even complete it!
Great game btw - I'm not ranting, it was a lot of fun - and we didn't even care about the BS that got ganked.. but it would be nice if the Reward for doing lvl 5 matched the Risk.. and if the Risk to even enter low sec was reduced for solo mission runners.
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Bimjo
Caldari
SKULLDOGS
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Posted - 2007.10.21 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Wild Rho
My only thought after 5 years of playing is basically along the lines of "Oh God, I'm still freaking broke!"
same here
to NON carebears : why do you think it's your game and carebears should not exist ?
to carebears : why do you think it's your game and pirates should not exist ?
the mechanics of the game will not be changed to suit just one profession in our community
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ArmyOfMe
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.21 11:27:00 -
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i very much agree with your point 1.
When it comes to low sec i wish they would move some of the mid end 0,0 ores to low sec to see if we can get more ppl down there once again.
Also making level 5 missions better would possibly make more go to low sec
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.10.21 11:37:00 -
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My thought after a few years in EVE are that current pvp starts to bore me.
Not enough spontanious action. It's become all too big and organized.
Since npc'ing and stuff like that bores me too, I spend more and more time on station doing nothing, just waiting or spend more time reading forums than playing.
Don't know, how to solve it. Maybe go pirating, maybe go roleplaying ...
I don't believe that CCP makes 0.0 pvp more interesting again and tries to get away from the blobs back to dozens of small factions and more small scale pvp like back to regular the tech-1 cruiser and interceptor pvp that we once had on a daily basis and that was fun.
Like 2 years ago you grabbed a ship, solo or with a mate, travelled a few jumps and got your fight. I've once lost one interceptor per day this way, like stiletto vs. thorax and such experiments or inti vs. inti, inti vs. assault frig by mistake and such things. It was fun. There were always lonely people out for a fight.
Dunno, maybe it's also me and I need something new. But currently EVE feels tedious. Everything is too organized. I miss to just come online, undock, have action, get new cheap ship, fly around, have fun again ...
I'm waiting for factional warfare, guess that can be like what I'm currently looking for. Until then I'm trying to live with the current pvp situation and checking out, if there are alternative pvp mmogs worth playing, but didn't find one so far. Most pvp systems are just crap. Can't just go arround and fight someone. Most mmorpgs are about XP/gear grinding, which is crap.
No, you can't have my stuff.
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Haks'he Lirky
Dominion Imperium
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Posted - 2007.10.21 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Sirial Soulfly
5 years in eve eh, since your epeen is here on public display now, could you share some of your accomplishments ?
As in skill point amount and wallet amount, out of curiosity of course.
**** broke as always and something around an average of 40msp on three characters and no ingame accomplishments that would impress anyone.
But ive had fun :)
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Haks'he Lirky
Dominion Imperium
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Posted - 2007.10.21 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Andreya
1: correct me if im wrong, but i've been on the internet for 15 years now, and i believe the correct spelling of a 'new person' is newb, from the original word, newbie... then all the wannabie tried to be cool by adding zeros instead of 'O's to make the word noob, also pronounced newb. meaning newb is the veteran word making anyone who calls people n00bs a newb. you nub
if I had a point, and im still not sure, that would have been it.
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Beowulf Scheafer
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.10.21 12:02:00 -
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i can agree with the op. i'm in my 5th year of eve aswell, and i dislike 0.0 aswell.
for 2 reasons:
1) blob warfare and the whole sovereignity/POS takedown. i can imagine that this is fun for some, but from my point of view i have not trained nearly 5 years in non-capital warfare to be No. 768/1256 (overrated example, of course).
of course you can roam around in small cruisersized gangs, and i hope the black ops will improve that even further. but as it is, you can have fun by doing so and get some kills and loot, but hurt your enemy? definately not, i would say.
2)the mainpoint in my oppinion is the fact that eve has become too small. in some regions i feel like playing sim universe, not eve online. i miss the days when you could do 10 jumps in 0.0 without seeing anybody in local, it felt alot more like space traveling. with increasing subscriber numbers, there need to be more systems (and i'm not talking of a single new region here).
i still like eve, of course, or i wouldn't still participate. and i am aware that theese two problems can not be solved easily, as it takes either a nearly complete overhaul of 0.0 warfare (1), or ways more server capacities to add more regions (and therefore more investments). but many of thoose '03 players i talked about this with agree with me on the issue in general.
in general with theese 2 points unadressed you have only few chances to actually make it in 0.0 with only a medium-sized corp on your own. of course you can try to enter one of the established alliances, but thoose that want to start their own little 0.0dwarfen-empire or thoose that don't have the prerequirements to be taken by such alliances are left behind, there is few to none space you can move to, and under current POSwarfare-rules no chance to overtake a system on your own.
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mallina
Caldari
Core Contingency
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Posted - 2007.10.21 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Jacque DeCoure
Had my first PvP experience yesterday.
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Beef up gate guns
Gate guns don't need beefing up. Doing so would only encourage the pirates to camp with MORE ships so they'd be able to overcome it. In short, you wouldn't be seeing 3 pirates at a gate, you would be seeing 10, albiet less often.
That would have a significantly negative impact on Small-Gang PvP (forget Solo, that's already dead) and further encourage Blobbing as the only means to fight.
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Kayna Eelai
Gallente
GNATHIC
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Posted - 2007.10.21 12:34:00 -
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Edited by: Kayna Eelai on 21/10/2007 12:34:35
Originally by: Haks'he Lirky
Originally by: Xaen
Originally by: Firkragg
in regards to point 5 i stick to my plan of whining till CCP move all lelve 4 missions to low sec. It doesnt affect me either way as i dont either mission or live in low sec but it will at least increase traffic and fix the broken risk reward structure that exists,
Won't happen. Ever. CCP has repeatedly and openly acknowledged that their customer base has a large care bear contingent and they regularly and repeatedly take steps to keep those customers happy. Moving all lvl 4 missions to lowsec would essentially cost a huge portion of their care bear customers. Moving them would be tantamount to opening a vein. Quit wasting your time.
actually this is a good point, solving the lowsec issue cant be done by taking existing mechanics and "move" them to lowsec.
Today people go there to look for pvp action not carebear activities, in 0.0 the balance is better as both things can be performed.
But forcing someone to lowsec to do what he does in empire isnt a solution, something new and fresh is needed.
well, they could easily move all GOOD lvl4 agents into lowsec.
i didn't research too much, but i think (for example) amarr has more highsec high quality lvl4 agents that minmatar for example (security/internal security)
ergo, when i do missions for amarr, i am getting 4400LP for a lvl4 blockade, in highsec. and 1300LP in minmatar in highsec or the risk to go lowsec.
they could just move ALL lvl4 quality 0+ agents into lowsec. would still give us carebears chance to stay highsec and the more brave ones move to lowsec.
it would actually encourage more teamwork in corps, going lowsec for missions in a nice gang instead of soloplaying.
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K'reemy G'udness
Gimme Gimme Gimme
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Posted - 2007.10.21 13:03:00 -
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With regards to agents and quality, I think they should remove that attribute entirely.
Sincerely,
K'reemy
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Gimme gimme gimme
I need some more
Gimme gimme gimme
Dont ask what for
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.21 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Wild Rho
My only thought after 5 years of playing is basically along the lines of "Oh God, I'm still freaking broke!"
totally agree with ya
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.21 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Kayna Eelai
Edited by: Kayna Eelai on 21/10/2007 12:34:35
Originally by: Haks'he Lirky
Originally by: Xaen
Originally by: Firkragg
in regards to point 5 i stick to my plan of whining till CCP move all lelve 4 missions to low sec. It doesnt affect me either way as i dont either mission or live in low sec but it will at least increase traffic and fix the broken risk reward structure that exists,
Won't happen. Ever. CCP has repeatedly and openly acknowledged that their customer base has a large care bear contingent and they regularly and repeatedly take steps to keep those customers happy. Moving all lvl 4 missions to lowsec would essentially cost a huge portion of their care bear customers. Moving them would be tantamount to opening a vein. Quit wasting your time.
actually this is a good point, solving the lowsec issue cant be done by taking existing mechanics and "move" them to lowsec.
Today people go there to look for pvp action not carebear activities, in 0.0 the balance is better as both things can be performed.
But forcing someone to lowsec to do what he does in empire isnt a solution, something new and fresh is needed.
well, they could easily move all GOOD lvl4 agents into lowsec.
i didn't research too much, but i think (for example) amarr has more highsec high quality lvl4 agents that minmatar for example (security/internal security)
ergo, when i do missions for amarr, i am getting 4400LP for a lvl4 blockade, in highsec. and 1300LP in minmatar in highsec or the risk to go lowsec.
they could just move ALL lvl4 quality 0+ agents into lowsec. would still give us carebears chance to stay highsec and the more brave ones move to lowsec.
it would actually encourage more teamwork in corps, going lowsec for missions in a nice gang instead of soloplaying.
Rewards in Low-sec are already extremely good. I've had a Level 4 Blockade from a Q20 agent in a 0.1 system give me 15,000 LP and over 6MIL reward (including time bonus)
The problem is that many people in hi-sec don't want to risk anything. They're safe and comfortable with their L4 hi-sec agents and have been somewhat spoilt as a result. I'm sure some people might be motivated to move by higher rewards, but the idea of losing a ship?
The fact that the line between Hi-Sec and Low-sec is so drastic dosen't help matters, either. Many would suggest extending CONCORD to low-sec, but IMO that would do nothing but drag the underlying problem out in the long run and then you'd have people wanting CONCORD protection in 0.0 too, because they're so used to the safety. IMO there needs to be a middle-ground between Low-Sec and Hi-Sec.
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Lrrp
Minmatar
Gallente Mercantile Exchange
Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2007.10.21 13:53:00 -
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So here we are wondering how to get pilots to go back to lo sec for mission running. Easy, make missions near to impossible to scan out like they used to be. When the mission nerf in lo sec came about it was predicted a lot of mission runners would stay in hi sec. And so they are. Pirate type whined about missions being to hard to scan and CCP sucked up to them. Now pirate types are whining because they only have each other to prey upon. Can we say, "Poetic Justice?"
Put mission scanning down to impossible and you will see mission runners return to lo sec. Until then, if you are a pirate/ganker, please do not lament the state of lo sec for ye have reaped what ye have sown.
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