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Stork DK
Synthetic Frontiers
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Posted - 2007.10.25 13:31:00 -
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Imo this could go two ways.. It will affect the entire T2 market and send the prices through the roof because of the sheer amount of components needed to build a single battleship (if the demand is high enough). Or the other end, nobody buys them exept the hardcore miision runners who will keep them in highsec and never lose them (never need more), because as already said, why use a 1-2 bill battleship when you can get 5 fitted standard battleships...
Though i wonder if ppl will fly these things more than the carriers after their balancing.
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Posted - 2007.10.25 14:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Hoegen
Aah only got 20 days left of AwU lvl 5 and i can use a Golem, now to get the billion isk to buy one...
lol, they v changed skills needed
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Posted - 2007.10.25 14:17:00 -
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the minmatar marauder gonna be evil to all small targets in small - meidum gangs.D
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2007.10.25 14:30:00 -
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woot for invention being borked....
i was going to do this for my post, but i suppose i shall just use your numbers
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Law Enforcer
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Posted - 2007.10.25 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Xaen
Originally by: Stork DK
Marauder: Golem - 390'240'990,6 ISK
Black Ops: Widow - 317'220'287,2 ISK
Heavy Interdictor: Onyx - 28'785'832,0 ISK
Electronic Attack Ship: Kitsune - 4'567'701,5 ISK
Wow, that's just sad.
You know what a new EVE player is gonna do when they hear about these ships? They're going to want to fly them. You know what they're going to do when they hear about how long it will take to train for them and how much they will cost? Quit and go back to WoW.
[ 2007.10.22 14:10:46 ] (combat) CCP's Lack of Perspective Cannon perfectly strikes CCP's foot, wrecking for 342401.07 USD.
good. let the fools quit and go back to wow. anything worth it takes awhile to achieve and this should be no different in a game.
noobs should set their expectations a little lower.
how about training up frigates first?
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
MASS HOMICIDE
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.25 15:21:00 -
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Well considering they are no were as superior to T1 as the otehr T2 ships are, I think they will be SLIGHTLY overpriced. CCP could very well cur that crap of -7 ME for invetion and make invention BPC be level 0 to compete in true ground to BPOS (that will be most likely at ME 50 themselves)
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AnKahn
Caldari
Dark Star LTD
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2007.10.27 07:37:00 -
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Edited by: AnKahn on 27/10/2007 07:39:39
Originally by: Xaen
Originally by: Stork DK
Marauder: Golem - 390'240'990,6 ISK
Black Ops: Widow - 317'220'287,2 ISK
Heavy Interdictor: Onyx - 28'785'832,0 ISK
Electronic Attack Ship: Kitsune - 4'567'701,5 ISK
Wow, that's just sad.
You know what a new EVE player is gonna do when they hear about these ships? They're going to want to fly them. You know what they're going to do when they hear about how long it will take to train for them and how much they will cost? Quit and go back to WoW.
As well they should. However to be fair every MMO has an elite class that gets their isk/gold/plat whatever from SOMEWHERE to spend on some super exclusive item so they can stand in the middle or town/float near gate/station so everyone can look at them.
edited for readability
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Sasha Sen
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Posted - 2007.10.27 08:21:00 -
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I consider myself a new player. Wont get the black ops or mara (not for a few months at least). But ccp was smart and put in 2 smaller ships, one I can already have, and the heavy dictor is fairly close in skills. I'm not worried about expansive tech2 bs. They should cost a lot. My AF and HAC was spendy, but I take care of them.
anyway, what's this thread about?
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slothe
Caldari
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.10.27 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Mi Lai
So probably be slightly under a billion per ship on the market? Not to bad. If it wasnt for Invention, we would pay that to buy 2 HAC's by now .
your kidding right
prices will start around 5bn and work down to 2bn.
would be betetr if tehre where some bpos.
its just inventors having an oligarchy now not t2 bpo holders.
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.10.27 10:47:00 -
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Edited by: Nomakai Delateriel on 27/10/2007 10:56:30
Originally by: slothe
Originally by: Mi Lai
So probably be slightly under a billion per ship on the market? Not to bad. If it wasnt for Invention, we would pay that to buy 2 HAC's by now .
your kidding right
prices will start around 5bn and work down to 2bn.
would be betetr if tehre where some bpos.
its just inventors having an oligarchy now not t2 bpo holders.
At least invention doesn't have a rigid supply. If you don't like the Invention prices and see huge profit margins, invent stuff yourself!
If invention hadn't come along we'd be paying 250 mil for Vagabonds, Ishtars or Sacrileges. Probably more (maybe 300-400 mil?) since the price was rising steadily.
P.S: 50 mil that Tyrrax Thorrk will lose a Marauder within 1 week of it being physicly possible to fly one on Tranq.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
MASS HOMICIDE
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.27 10:58:00 -
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What i really think is. Its already damm time that invention start to give ME 0 BPCs. Specially considering they will be the only source for these ships.
As of now I cannot see them costing less then 2 billion.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.10.27 11:11:00 -
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It costs a bit less than 700 mil at current market prices to invent and manufacture one Marauder if you have good skills and know what to do.
They WILL sell for over 1 bil early on, but will quickly go below 1 bil, then to around 800 mil or less later on.
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Voodoo Mistross
Minmatar
Cskillzone
DAMAGE INC...
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Posted - 2007.10.27 11:13:00 -
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2 bill for ONE BS?   T2 or not, i dont care, i like pvp, I would rather spend on 5 or so well fitted T1's or better yet 10 or so BC's, much more pew pew value for my buck  Although I do hope that some "Hero" wishes to fly them into pvp ops
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.10.27 11:16:00 -
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Anybody saying that they are thinking Marauders will cost 2 bil a couple of weeks after release is either a troll or a person with zero math skills.
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Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
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Posted - 2007.10.27 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Anybody saying that they are thinking Marauders will cost 2 bil a couple of weeks after release is either a troll or a person with zero math skills.
Taking into account invent and build time, it'll be several weeks before one exists, and the first one might very well sell for in excess of 2 bil.
Technicalities. ^_^
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.27 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Amarria Black
Originally by: Akita T
Anybody saying that they are thinking Marauders will cost 2 bil a couple of weeks after release is either a troll or a person with zero math skills.
Taking into account invent and build time, it'll be several weeks before one exists, and the first one might very well sell for in excess of 2 bil.
Technicalities. ^_^
Build time isnt several weeks, besides anyone saying they will go for 5 bil or even 2 bil is a fool, they arent harder to manufacture or invent than a hac is, and marginally better than faction BSes, or worse. Now do you see everyone flying around in faction BSes outside missions? Nop - and they cost 700-900 mil.
Imho these BSes wont sell for over 1 - perhaps 1,5 bil at start. If the profit was so redicoulus as the inventor cashing 1 bil for each BS he assembles u wud see the market filled very quickly
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Mr Broker
Amarr
Station Gremlings
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Posted - 2007.10.27 16:15:00 -
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The new ships are for specialized tasks, they're not meant to be superior to their T1 counterparts in all or even most areas.
That would be terribly dumb, and cause less wealthy players to quit.
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Zana Kito
Antares Fleet Yards
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.27 16:18:00 -
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Edited by: Zana Kito on 27/10/2007 16:23:09
Given the craptastic of their design who is stupid enough to pay 1B for it? Only the kronos is a real improvement, other ships are onpar with their t1 in stats that matter. That's dps. For missions now, we already have a strong enough tank. Whats needed is more dps to finish missions quicker. If they were designed for pve, they are utter failures.
As for pvping in them again their cost is simply too prohibitive for such little gains (or no gains at all for the paladin over abba or geddon t1). Marauder cost needs to drastically decrease for them to be viable.
After more thought on the matter, all the new t2 ships are almost pure fail. Heavy Dictors that web itself, prevents remote rep, and gets to be in close range to bubble? Talk about getting primaried, hit with neuts and run out of cap, thus tank is gone. Maybe of some use to tackle caps, but meh..
T2 EW frigs.. got nothing a blackbird or celestis can't do better. Frigs with low speed, high mass .. i thought we already learnt this lesson with AF.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.10.28 00:25:00 -
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There's a huge thread (over 6 pages now) over in Ships&Modules stared by me iscussing exactly that, the inadequacies of Marauders as "mission ships", and why (most of them, all but Kronos) are utter failures in that regard when compared to faction ships that already cost less (bost in ISK and skills) to get into.
The black ops at least fill a rather unique role, so they're not completely worthless.
Basically, they're the titans (literally) of the cloaked world.
However, demand for them on the front lines will only be relatively small, because of their insane pricetag (very close to Marauders, maybe 100 mil ISK cheaper or so, if even that much) and the INABILITY to fit a covops cloak (so, whoops, can't warp while cloaked, bummer).
The HACterdictors, yeah, it's been confirmed by the devs that they ARE meant almost exclusively as cap ship tacklers, with an upcoming script (you know, that thing we keep hearing about they're doing Soon™ on SiSi) that makes their "bubble" effect a targetted efect, aimed at pinning down capitals.
For most other situations, the classic Interdictors are still the way to go.
As for the EW frigs, well, ok, they'll be expensive, but not THAT expensive as you seem to think they will.
Their pricetag will be hovering around 40 mil ISK for a while, hopefully going under 25 mil sooner rather than later.
As for their viability, well, they are all but slow... they have interdictor-like base speeds !
I managed to get well over 1km/sec with a Kitsune with no propulsion mods except an afterburner, and my nav skills aren't something to write home about... and that's the slowest of them all.
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