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Stork DK Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2007.10.22 16:33:00 - [1] Ahoy o/ Ws wondering what the build costs of the new shiny T2 ships is going to. However after long search on eve-o i found nothing, so i made a list myself. Couldnt be arsed to do all the races so just caldari (for now atleast) These prices are the average of Jita market. Before you read further take a look here. Now put on your tinfoil hat and download my sexy spreadsheet.
Kappas. Galaxy Punks O X I D E	Posted - 2007.10.22 16:46:00 - [2] Can you not just write the estimated prices here? The spreadsheet timed out.
Stork DK Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2007.10.22 16:50:00 - [3] Originally by: Kappas. Can you not just write the estimated prices here? The spreadsheet timed out. Done -------------- Triumdicta > we're getting a new kind of ore? omiNATION > CAREBEAR ALERT
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.10.22 16:52:00 - [4] T2 Battleship prices makes Tarminic sad. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 million SP in Forum Warfare Originally by: CCP Wrangler Booooo!!! Tarminic sux!!!
Lowanaera Amarr Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.22 16:54:00 - [5] With invention cost factored in, it looks like market price will be closer to 700-800m. This fits with what Oveur said on EveTV during the tournament, that T2 BS could run close to a bil.
Nick Marsh	Posted - 2007.10.22 16:57:00 - [6] well I guessed some time ago they would be like 500M to 1Bil, I see my guess wasnt that bad. But I suspect prices being a lot higher the first month or months...
Benvie Benvie Enterprises	Posted - 2007.10.22 17:22:00 - [7] Edited by: Benvie on 22/10/2007 17:24:35 Did you factor in the that they recently quadrupled the materials it takes to build the tech 2 battleships? Golem Vargur/Panther Those are more recent.
Stork DK Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2007.10.22 17:27:00 - [8] Originally by: Benvie Edited by: Benvie on 22/10/2007 17:24:35 Did you factor in the that they recently quadrupled the materials it takes to build the tech 2 battleships? Golem Vargur/Panther Those are more recent. I took the build costs from singularity about 2 hoursr ago so i think so, also if you take a look in the spreadsheet you'll see its the same stats -------------- Triumdicta > we're getting a new kind of ore? omiNATION > CAREBEAR ALERT
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.10.22 17:29:00 - [9] After looking at this list.. please tell me a golem will be able to pwn a raven 1 vs 1 with one hand tied behind ones back? Having a nice specialized ship is kewl and all but if it takes a raven and gazzillions of other stuff to build one it better be able to omgwtfpwnbbq it's T1 counterpart without breaking a sweat. CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.10.22 17:29:00 - [10] does a little dance Electronic Attack Ship: Kitsune - 4'567'701,5 ISK AWWW yeah! I can afford my favorite of the upcoming ships! ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room...
Stork DK Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2007.10.22 17:30:00 - [11] Originally by: MotherMoon does a little dance Electronic Attack Ship: Kitsune - 4'567'701,5 ISK AWWW yeah! I can afford my favorite of the upcoming ships! Anyone in his right mind would pick the hyena over all the other new T2 frigs tbh -------------- Triumdicta > we're getting a new kind of ore? omiNATION > CAREBEAR ALERT
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.10.22 17:34:00 - [12] Originally by: Stork DK Originally by: MotherMoon does a little dance Electronic Attack Ship: Kitsune - 4'567'701,5 ISK AWWW yeah! I can afford my favorite of the upcoming ships! Anyone in his right mind would pick the hyena over all the other new T2 frigs tbh well duh :P but the cost is the same, I'm a mimmi pilot galore, got my AS5, my Recon 5, my logtisic 5, my interceptors 4. and others. so any new small ships to play with is good in my book. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room...
Stork DK Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2007.10.22 17:36:00 - [13] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Stork DK Originally by: MotherMoon does a little dance Electronic Attack Ship: Kitsune - 4'567'701,5 ISK AWWW yeah! I can afford my favorite of the upcoming ships! Anyone in his right mind would pick the hyena over all the other new T2 frigs tbh well duh :P but the cost is the same, I'm a mimmi pilot galore, got my AS5, my Recon 5, my logtisic 5, my interceptors 4. and others. so any new small ships to play with is good in my book. I want logi 5 too But gonna wait and see what bonus ill get for electronic attack ship 5 tho. -------------- Triumdicta > we're getting a new kind of ore? omiNATION > CAREBEAR ALERT
Haradgrim Caldari The Wild Bunch INTERDICTION	Posted - 2007.10.22 17:37:00 - [14] I would say that these prices are both in line with the present cost of t2 ships as well, they are cheap enough that these ships will get used, expensive enough that you will have to have some serious cajones to fly one in PVP (I would be curious to see what the insurance payouts are) Your signature exceeds the byte me limit allowed on the forums-Darth Patches Oh Noes!
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.10.22 17:39:00 - [15] Edited by: MotherMoon on 22/10/2007 17:40:22 Edited by: MotherMoon on 22/10/2007 17:40:08 Originally by: Stork DK Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Stork DK Originally by: MotherMoon does a little dance Electronic Attack Ship: Kitsune - 4'567'701,5 ISK AWWW yeah! I can afford my favorite of the upcoming ships! Anyone in his right mind would pick the hyena over all the other new T2 frigs tbh well duh :P but the cost is the same, I'm a mimmi pilot galore, got my AS5, my Recon 5, my logtisic 5, my interceptors 4. and others. so any new small ships to play with is good in my book. I want logi 5 too But gonna wait and see what bonus ill get for electronic attack ship 5 tho. NOT ME! I'm training for bombers right now and as soon as I can will buy this new book and master it too!! unless it sucks big time but I'll still fly it :P p.s.(I just got it too, about 19 hours ago :) it helped me break the 20 mil sp mark! huzzah for mom!) ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room...
Plave Okice Gallente 0utlaws	Posted - 2007.10.22 17:41:00 - [16] Might finally buy myself a Navy Mega, I think faction BS will continue to fall in price
Benvie Benvie Enterprises	Posted - 2007.10.22 17:54:00 - [17] I just realized why your prices are wrong. You're calculating based on BASE materials, IE ME0 materials. Since no one will have a bpo, no one will be building them that cheap. The vast majority of people will be building them at ME -7 and -8. -7 = multiply materials by 1.6364 -8 = multiply materials by 1.7273 The only things not multiplied are the RAM and the T1 ship.
Stork DK Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2007.10.22 18:04:00 - [18] Originally by: Benvie I just realized why your prices are wrong. You're calculating based on BASE materials, IE ME0 materials. Since no one will have a bpo, no one will be building them that cheap. The vast majority of people will be building them at ME -7 and -8. -7 = multiply materials by 1.6364 -8 = multiply materials by 1.7273 The only things not multiplied are the RAM and the T1 ship. Aha! You sir are one hell of a carebear So if a multiply with those numbers id get around final cost right? -------------- Triumdicta > we're getting a new kind of ore? omiNATION > CAREBEAR ALERT
Benvie Benvie Enterprises	Posted - 2007.10.22 18:06:00 - [19] Yeah, multiply the quantities.
Arenis Xemdal Amarr	Posted - 2007.10.22 18:11:00 - [20] That looks about right. Before they upped the battleship requirements it only cost around 70mil in tech 2 materials, or about 165mil for the entire ship.. which is too low. Typically the tech 1 ship/mineral cost is around one tenth of the total cost for a frigate, one sixth for a cruiser, and now one fourth for a battleship. T2 bs should stabilize around 500-600mil when heavy production kicks in, which is a good price point since currently theres really nothing that pricy for people with isk to buy. They can either go for pimp faction ships, or go the capital route. I really hope with the advent of t2 bs, fewer people will decide to get carriers and motherships. So no, not too pricy. Maybe not pricy enough even.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.10.22 18:12:00 - [21] Yeah, prices look about right to me too. As ridicilously overpriced as the rest My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.10.22 18:14:00 - [22] Originally by: Stork DK Marauder: Golem - 390'240'990,6 ISK Black Ops: Widow - 317'220'287,2 ISK Heavy Interdictor: Onyx - 28'785'832,0 ISK Electronic Attack Ship: Kitsune - 4'567'701,5 ISK Wow, that's just sad. You know what a new EVE player is gonna do when they hear about these ships? They're going to want to fly them. You know what they're going to do when they hear about how long it will take to train for them and how much they will cost? Quit and go back to WoW. [ 2007.10.22 14:10:46 ] (combat) CCP's Lack of Perspective Cannon perfectly strikes CCP's foot, wrecking for 342401.07 USD. -- Support fixing the EVE UI
Benvie Benvie Enterprises	Posted - 2007.10.22 18:21:00 - [23] Look at the real prices at -7 ME. ;) That doesn't include invention, which will add another hundred or two million on top. That also doesn't include the fact that all moon minerals, all advanced moon minerals, and all tech 2 components are going to absolutely skyrocket in price when everyone is trying to build these babies. These ships consume enormous amounts of materials, way more than the current production infrastructure can handle. I'd go with the assumption that build costs will automatically be double that, if not more.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.10.22 18:26:00 - [24] Edited by: MotherMoon on 22/10/2007 18:25:54 I got 30 mil ready for that damn frigate. put the header back you fool! ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room...
Stork DK Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2007.10.22 18:47:00 - [25] Originally by: MotherMoon Edited by: MotherMoon on 22/10/2007 18:25:54 I got 30 mil ready for that damn frigate. put the header back you fool! It keep deleting it when i edit I BLAME CCP! -------------- Triumdicta > we're getting a new kind of ore? omiNATION > CAREBEAR ALERT
Kappas. Galaxy Punks O X I D E	Posted - 2007.10.22 18:55:00 - [26] Originally by: Kappas. Can you not just write the estimated prices here? The spreadsheet timed out. Thanks, and finally downloaded the spreadsheet. There's now a mirror here if you want it.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.10.22 18:55:00 - [27] Originally by: Stork DK Originally by: MotherMoon Edited by: MotherMoon on 22/10/2007 18:25:54 I got 30 mil ready for that damn frigate. put the header back you fool! It keep deleting it when i edit I BLAME CCP! NERF CCP ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room...
Tarron Sarek Gallente Endica Enterprises	Posted - 2007.10.22 18:58:00 - [28] Originally by: 000Hunter000 After looking at this list.. please tell me a golem will be able to pwn a raven 1 vs 1 with one hand tied behind ones back? Having a nice specialized ship is kewl and all but if it takes a raven and gazzillions of other stuff to build one it better be able to omgwtfpwnbbq it's T1 counterpart without breaking a sweat. Diminishing returns. I hope the devs adhere to one of their/EVE's basic concepts. _________________________________ - Balance is power, guard it well -
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.22 18:58:00 - [29] I take it you cant research BPCs --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.10.22 19:11:00 - [30] Edited by: Akita T on 22/10/2007 19:36:10 You might to read this thread about invention costs, or just skip to this spreadsheet. ___ EDIT Bloody hell this can't be right, can it ? I mean, looking at that "build Golem" screenshot, I mean. Sure, price for some components went up a lot, but still... DAMN ! Just the EXTRA MATERIAL costs are worth almost 300 mil on the freaking market at ME0 !?! That on top of almost 100 mil for the T1 ship itself. Ok, plugged in the invention cost too. I assumed a very OPTIMISTIC 25% base invention chance, tried with both 1-run and max-run BPCs, using current typical BPC prices. A Golem will be costing at best around 870 mil to invent and manufacture without using a decryptor at all. It could go down to 670 mil to invent and manufacture with "best chance" decryptor at current prices (or, if that decryptor goes up to 150 mil, cost becomes same 870 mil per unit as without using a decryptor at all). So, expect price of a Golem to NOT go under 750 mil ISK any time soon, if nothing changes. Well, the good news however is that IF it blows up, you're likely looking at around 350 mil platinum insurance payout _ 1\|2\|3
Stork DK Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2007.10.22 20:08:00 - [31] These numbers start to make me more sadder than the last extended downtime -------------- Triumdicta > we're getting a new kind of ore? omiNATION > CAREBEAR ALERT
Ranar Estraad	Posted - 2007.10.22 20:21:00 - [32] Hooray! More additions to the game that fall in the "currently inaccessible to you" category! sighs no matter. I guess this just means I'll continue to grind ISK or wait for the price to drop while I skill endlessly :)
Benvie Benvie Enterprises	Posted - 2007.10.22 22:51:00 - [33] Better start stocking up on tech 2 components and moon minerals and products now. ;) With demand for them doubling or tripling due to tech 2 BS building prices are sure to rise!
Moadyb Carnivore Ince	Posted - 2007.10.23 09:01:00 - [34] If those numbers actually make it to live, I think we will be looking at 1.5bil+ for the highend T2 ships - and thats once the dust settles, prolly 2bil+ in the begining. Makes we wonder if they are really worth more than cap ships?
Patchday Brother	Posted - 2007.10.23 09:51:00 - [35] Edited by: Patchday Brother on 23/10/2007 09:51:47 Using my build sheets.. for a ME -4 Sin, looks like appox 200Mil + 1 BS for it ... also takes 3D8h / ship to build damn alt - figures still stand though
Mad Ilya Soldiers Of Darkness Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.23 10:07:00 - [36] So.. I'm lazy and at work to go see singularity but is there BP info for the jump freighter? (Cos if it's invented from freighter bpc.. how much does a freighter bpc cost to begin with..) It really shouldn't be T2, rather tier 2. T2 BS seems like a good isk sink for rich players
Fuazzole	Posted - 2007.10.23 10:14:00 - [37] So we can expect 5bill start price, lowering to 2bill over time?, as the required skills are not very pushing.
RaTTuS BIG Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.10.23 10:17:00 - [38] Edited by: RaTTuS on 23/10/2007 10:17:31 Originally by: Mad Ilya So.. I'm lazy and at work to go see singularity but is there BP info for the jump freighter? (Cos if it's invented from freighter bpc.. how much does a freighter bpc cost to begin with..) It really shouldn't be T2, rather tier 2. T2 BS seems like a good isk sink for rich players the Jump freighters - nothing yet see Here I've not got a copy of a freighter BP yet -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve [Now Verified] & RaTTuS Home
Leishent Caldari Captured Souls Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.23 11:10:00 - [39] Any stats / screenshots of the blueprints for the Gallante T2 Battleships and the Gallante T2 Heavy Dictors? Would like to know their current building requirements.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.10.23 18:13:00 - [40] My wallet is overjoyed in seing expensive component cost for T2 BSs, since that means decryptors (in which I invested heavily) will be able to sell for so much more _ 1\|2\|3
Gentle Glide Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.23 18:22:00 - [41] Originally by: Akita T Well, the good news however is that IF it blows up, you're likely looking at around 350 mil platinum insurance payout No your not. As with every single T2 ship the insurance will likely be that of its T1 varient, woot for 100m isk platinum. ------------------------------------------- Originally by: CCP t20 So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level. [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0710/Anti-Carrier
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.23 18:30:00 - [42] Originally by: Akita T My wallet is overjoyed in seing expensive component cost for T2 BSs, since that means decryptors (in which I invested heavily) will be able to sell for so much more wrong high cost means less demand, which means less ship are built, hence less decryptors used, which in turn means lower decryptor value "" - Gob
Mourn Navarre Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.10.23 18:31:00 - [43] Yeah. Heavy Interdictors and the EAS should cost around what I'd like them too. I lost interest in battleships about a 6-8 months after the very first BS was built so the cost of those T2 variants mean nothing to me.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.10.23 18:32:00 - [44] Originally by: Gentle Glide No your not. As with every single T2 ship the insurance will likely be that of its T1 varient, woot for 100m isk platinum. ROFL, you're KIDDING, right ? Here's a newsflash... Caracal 4,560,000 platinum payout, Cerberus 17,950,950 platinum payout (sells for 69 mil). Moa 8,000,000 platinum payout, Eagle 17,062,524 platinum payout (sells for 52 mil). Ferox 24,000,000 platinum payout, Nighthawk 58,533,600 platinum payout (sells for 190 mil). Ferox 24,000,000 platinum payout, Vulture 57,182,600 platinum payout (sells for 71 mil). _ 1\|2\|3
Vandalias	Posted - 2007.10.23 18:37:00 - [45] Originally by: Tarron Sarek Diminishing returns. It amazes me how many people fail to understand this concept.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.10.23 18:40:00 - [46] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig high cost means less demand, which means less ship are built, hence less decryptors used, which in turn means lower decryptor value Not necessarily, but it's a possibility indeed. The reason is in the platinum payout. The more extra components are used, the more more expensive the platinum payout is, the less invention overhead matters when ship blows up. Marauders, for better or worse, will still be used in PvP. Now, would you rather lose a 700 mil CNR (and get 100 mil back), or a 700 mil Golem (and get 400 mil back) ? If ship would be much cheaper in components (say, at most equal to T1 ship cost, or less), would you rather have a 600 mil Golem (and get 200 mil back when it pops) ? Well, ok, not QUITE like that, but you get the idea. _ 1\|2\|3
Praxis1452	Posted - 2007.10.23 19:21:00 - [47] bleh the electronic attack frigs for gallente is quite odd. 10m drone bay compard to 60m on the amarr eaf...?
Mark Lucius Forbidden Lore	Posted - 2007.10.23 20:57:00 - [48] Originally by: Praxis1452 bleh the electronic attack frigs for gallente is quite odd. 10m drone bay compard to 60m on the amarr eaf...? That's because the drones do the damage for the ship, not the highslots. --- Originally by: Malachon Draco If you eat your veggies, maybe one day you'll grow up and be a real big alt poster like Johnny ReeRee or Alice C.
Rhaegor Stormborn Pestilent Industries Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.10.23 21:10:00 - [49] Looks about perfect to me. Rhaegor Stormborn Fleet Admiral - Pestilent Industries Amalgamated [PIA] Recruitment Thread
van Uber Loke Inc	Posted - 2007.10.24 11:59:00 - [50] Originally by: Xaen You know what a new EVE player is gonna do when they hear about these ships? They're going to want to fly them. You know what they're going to do when they hear about how long it will take to train for them and how much they will cost? Quit and go back to WoW. [ 2007.10.22 14:10:46 ] (combat) CCP's Lack of Perspective Cannon perfectly strikes CCP's foot, wrecking for 342401.07 USD. And when the same player runs WoW for the first time and realise they cannot start att lvl 70, they ramm their fist through the monitor? So what, you cannot start as some ultimate bad*** in any game, the transition towards that is a major part of any game. So what is your point?
Dao2SKP Shillelagh Corp.	Posted - 2007.10.25 03:47:00 - [51] I can't dl the spreadsheet :(?
Grapez Advanced Security And Asset Protection	Posted - 2007.10.25 06:00:00 - [52] You know... To lower prices on the T2 battleships, CCP could simply allow more moon minerals to be mined. High-sec moon mining anyone? There's lots of towers in empire that could be used to mine moon minerals. Allow these moons to be mined, increases basic component supply, increase advanced component supply, lower the overall cost of the new shiny T2 BS's! (NOTE: The above assumes that you can't moon mine in empire. If this is wrong, please have Tarminic use his forum-fu to mock me into oblivion.)
Illminatis	Posted - 2007.10.25 06:14:00 - [53] Originally by: Xaen Originally by: Stork DK Marauder: Golem - 390'240'990,6 ISK Black Ops: Widow - 317'220'287,2 ISK Heavy Interdictor: Onyx - 28'785'832,0 ISK Electronic Attack Ship: Kitsune - 4'567'701,5 ISK Wow, that's just sad. You know what a new EVE player is gonna do when they hear about these ships? They're going to want to fly them. You know what they're going to do when they hear about how long it will take to train for them and how much they will cost? Quit and go back to WoW. [ 2007.10.22 14:10:46 ] (combat) CCP's Lack of Perspective Cannon perfectly strikes CCP's foot, wrecking for 342401.07 USD. Exactly, because when capitals and super capitals were introduced into EvE all the new players quit and no new ones showed up. And when HACs and Command ships were introduced, no new players stayed with the game. Remember the mass exodus back in the day when interceptors were first released? Back when a really laggy day was 50 people in Yulai and 4k concurrent users was zomg 3 day weekend? OH WAIT
Bellum Eternus Gallente Blood Corsair's	Posted - 2007.10.25 06:22:00 - [54] Originally by: Stork DK Edited by: Stork DK on 22/10/2007 18:45:52 Ahoy o/ Was wondering what the build costs of the new shiny T2 ships is going to. However after long search on eve-o i found nothing, so i made a list myself. Couldnt be arsed to do all the races so just caldari (for now atleast) These prices are the average of Jita market. Before you read further take a look here. Now put on your tinfoil hat and download my sexy spreadsheet. 0 ME build cost: Marauder: Golem - 390'240'990,6 ISK Black Ops: Widow - 317'220'287,2 ISK Heavy Interdictor: Onyx - 28'785'832,0 ISK Electronic Attack Ship: Kitsune - 4'567'701,5 ISK -7 ME build cost: (Real Cost) Marauder: Golem - 638'590'357 ISK Black Ops: Widow - 519'099'278 ISK Heavy Interdictor: Onyx - 47'105'135 ISK Electronic Attack Ship: Kitsune - 7'474'585 ISK Too pricy you think? Remember theres invention cost and whatever else comes into that kinda stuff (im no carebear). Where are the important ship costs? These are all Caldari. Go f*ck yourself. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.25 06:32:00 - [55] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Stork DK Edited by: Stork DK on 22/10/2007 18:45:52 Ahoy o/ Was wondering what the build costs of the new shiny T2 ships is going to. However after long search on eve-o i found nothing, so i made a list myself. Couldnt be arsed to do all the races so just caldari (for now atleast) These prices are the average of Jita market. Before you read further take a look here. Now put on your tinfoil hat and download my sexy spreadsheet. 0 ME build cost: Marauder: Golem - 390'240'990,6 ISK Black Ops: Widow - 317'220'287,2 ISK Heavy Interdictor: Onyx - 28'785'832,0 ISK Electronic Attack Ship: Kitsune - 4'567'701,5 ISK -7 ME build cost: (Real Cost) Marauder: Golem - 638'590'357 ISK Black Ops: Widow - 519'099'278 ISK Heavy Interdictor: Onyx - 47'105'135 ISK Electronic Attack Ship: Kitsune - 7'474'585 ISK Too pricy you think? Remember theres invention cost and whatever else comes into that kinda stuff (im no carebear). Where are the important ship costs? These are all Caldari. Go f*ck yourself. Where is your fking brain? You can easily check that all other races will be same +-5%. Except for gallente where you can look at even +10% (because gall components tend to get overpriced fast, and are slowest to get back to base price).
Kerfira	Posted - 2007.10.25 07:36:00 - [56] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Originally by: Akita T My wallet is overjoyed in seing expensive component cost for T2 BSs, since that means decryptors (in which I invested heavily) will be able to sell for so much more wrong high cost means less demand, which means less ship are built, hence less decryptors used, which in turn means lower decryptor value "" - Gob Given that the majority of decryptors will be used for the smaller T2 ships, I don't think the amount used for the new T2 battleships invention will have any effect on the markets. A much larger effect will probably come from CCP's stated intent of removing the decryptors from the static COSMOS complexes (and about damned time too....) Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
OldPueblo DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.25 08:04:00 - [57] The new ships look like they'll be cool. /looks at stats and pricing Not THAT cool. For double/triple/quadruple the price, I'd like to get double/triple/quadruple the ship. Why risk one Sin when you can suicide a half dozen dominix's instead with full insurance. ROI my friends.
Mi Lai Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2007.10.25 13:18:00 - [58] So probably be slightly under a billion per ship on the market? Not to bad. If it wasnt for Invention, we would pay that to buy 2 HAC's by now .
Tibullus	Posted - 2007.10.25 13:27:00 - [59] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Originally by: Bellum Eternus Where are the important ship costs? These are all Caldari. Go f*ck yourself. Where is your fking brain? You can easily check that all other races will be same +-5%. Except for gallente where you can look at even +10% (because gall components tend to get overpriced fast, and are slowest to get back to base price). I'm pretty sure that Bellum's tongue was firmly in his cheek. His post made me lol anyway. No need to get bent out of shape matey.
Hoegen Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.25 13:30:00 - [60] Aah only got 20 days left of AwU lvl 5 and i can use a Golem, now to get the billion isk to buy one...
Stork DK Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2007.10.25 13:31:00 - [61] Imo this could go two ways.. It will affect the entire T2 market and send the prices through the roof because of the sheer amount of components needed to build a single battleship (if the demand is high enough). Or the other end, nobody buys them exept the hardcore miision runners who will keep them in highsec and never lose them (never need more), because as already said, why use a 1-2 bill battleship when you can get 5 fitted standard battleships... Though i wonder if ppl will fly these things more than the carriers after their balancing. -------------- Triumdicta > we're getting a new kind of ore? omiNATION > CAREBEAR ALERT
iiOs	Posted - 2007.10.25 14:16:00 - [62] Originally by: Hoegen Aah only got 20 days left of AwU lvl 5 and i can use a Golem, now to get the billion isk to buy one... lol, they v changed skills needed
iiOs	Posted - 2007.10.25 14:17:00 - [63] the minmatar marauder gonna be evil to all small targets in small - meidum gangs.D
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.10.25 14:30:00 - [64] woot for invention being borked.... i was going to do this for my post, but i suppose i shall just use your numbers
Law Enforcer	Posted - 2007.10.25 15:16:00 - [65] Originally by: Xaen Originally by: Stork DK Marauder: Golem - 390'240'990,6 ISK Black Ops: Widow - 317'220'287,2 ISK Heavy Interdictor: Onyx - 28'785'832,0 ISK Electronic Attack Ship: Kitsune - 4'567'701,5 ISK Wow, that's just sad. You know what a new EVE player is gonna do when they hear about these ships? They're going to want to fly them. You know what they're going to do when they hear about how long it will take to train for them and how much they will cost? Quit and go back to WoW. [ 2007.10.22 14:10:46 ] (combat) CCP's Lack of Perspective Cannon perfectly strikes CCP's foot, wrecking for 342401.07 USD. good. let the fools quit and go back to wow. anything worth it takes awhile to achieve and this should be no different in a game. noobs should set their expectations a little lower. how about training up frigates first?
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.25 15:21:00 - [66] Well considering they are no were as superior to T1 as the otehr T2 ships are, I think they will be SLIGHTLY overpriced. CCP could very well cur that crap of -7 ME for invetion and make invention BPC be level 0 to compete in true ground to BPOS (that will be most likely at ME 50 themselves) If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
AnKahn Caldari Dark Star LTD Atrocitas	Posted - 2007.10.27 07:37:00 - [67] Edited by: AnKahn on 27/10/2007 07:39:39 Originally by: Xaen Originally by: Stork DK Marauder: Golem - 390'240'990,6 ISK Black Ops: Widow - 317'220'287,2 ISK Heavy Interdictor: Onyx - 28'785'832,0 ISK Electronic Attack Ship: Kitsune - 4'567'701,5 ISK Wow, that's just sad. You know what a new EVE player is gonna do when they hear about these ships? They're going to want to fly them. You know what they're going to do when they hear about how long it will take to train for them and how much they will cost? Quit and go back to WoW. As well they should. However to be fair every MMO has an elite class that gets their isk/gold/plat whatever from SOMEWHERE to spend on some super exclusive item so they can stand in the middle or town/float near gate/station so everyone can look at them. edited for readability
Sasha Sen	Posted - 2007.10.27 08:21:00 - [68] I consider myself a new player. Wont get the black ops or mara (not for a few months at least). But ccp was smart and put in 2 smaller ships, one I can already have, and the heavy dictor is fairly close in skills. I'm not worried about expansive tech2 bs. They should cost a lot. My AF and HAC was spendy, but I take care of them. anyway, what's this thread about?
slothe Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.10.27 10:23:00 - [69] Originally by: Mi Lai So probably be slightly under a billion per ship on the market? Not to bad. If it wasnt for Invention, we would pay that to buy 2 HAC's by now . your kidding right prices will start around 5bn and work down to 2bn. would be betetr if tehre where some bpos. its just inventors having an oligarchy now not t2 bpo holders.
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.10.27 10:47:00 - [70] Edited by: Nomakai Delateriel on 27/10/2007 10:56:30 Originally by: slothe Originally by: Mi Lai So probably be slightly under a billion per ship on the market? Not to bad. If it wasnt for Invention, we would pay that to buy 2 HAC's by now . your kidding right prices will start around 5bn and work down to 2bn. would be betetr if tehre where some bpos. its just inventors having an oligarchy now not t2 bpo holders. At least invention doesn't have a rigid supply. If you don't like the Invention prices and see huge profit margins, invent stuff yourself! If invention hadn't come along we'd be paying 250 mil for Vagabonds, Ishtars or Sacrileges. Probably more (maybe 300-400 mil?) since the price was rising steadily. P.S: 50 mil that Tyrrax Thorrk will lose a Marauder within 1 week of it being physicly possible to fly one on Tranq. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.27 10:58:00 - [71] What i really think is. Its already damm time that invention start to give ME 0 BPCs. Specially considering they will be the only source for these ships. As of now I cannot see them costing less then 2 billion. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.10.27 11:11:00 - [72] It costs a bit less than 700 mil at current market prices to invent and manufacture one Marauder if you have good skills and know what to do. They WILL sell for over 1 bil early on, but will quickly go below 1 bil, then to around 800 mil or less later on. _ 1\|2\|3
Voodoo Mistross Minmatar Cskillzone DAMAGE INC...	Posted - 2007.10.27 11:13:00 - [73] 2 bill for ONE BS? T2 or not, i dont care, i like pvp, I would rather spend on 5 or so well fitted T1's or better yet 10 or so BC's, much more pew pew value for my buck Although I do hope that some "Hero" wishes to fly them into pvp ops
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.10.27 11:16:00 - [74] Anybody saying that they are thinking Marauders will cost 2 bil a couple of weeks after release is either a troll or a person with zero math skills. _ 1\|2\|3
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.10.27 11:25:00 - [75] Originally by: Akita T Anybody saying that they are thinking Marauders will cost 2 bil a couple of weeks after release is either a troll or a person with zero math skills. Taking into account invent and build time, it'll be several weeks before one exists, and the first one might very well sell for in excess of 2 bil. Technicalities. ^_^
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.27 16:02:00 - [76] Originally by: Amarria Black Originally by: Akita T Anybody saying that they are thinking Marauders will cost 2 bil a couple of weeks after release is either a troll or a person with zero math skills. Taking into account invent and build time, it'll be several weeks before one exists, and the first one might very well sell for in excess of 2 bil. Technicalities. ^_^ Build time isnt several weeks, besides anyone saying they will go for 5 bil or even 2 bil is a fool, they arent harder to manufacture or invent than a hac is, and marginally better than faction BSes, or worse. Now do you see everyone flying around in faction BSes outside missions? Nop - and they cost 700-900 mil. Imho these BSes wont sell for over 1 - perhaps 1,5 bil at start. If the profit was so redicoulus as the inventor cashing 1 bil for each BS he assembles u wud see the market filled very quickly - Gob
Mr Broker Amarr Station Gremlings	Posted - 2007.10.27 16:15:00 - [77] The new ships are for specialized tasks, they're not meant to be superior to their T1 counterparts in all or even most areas. That would be terribly dumb, and cause less wealthy players to quit.
Zana Kito Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.27 16:18:00 - [78] Edited by: Zana Kito on 27/10/2007 16:23:09 Given the craptastic of their design who is stupid enough to pay 1B for it? Only the kronos is a real improvement, other ships are onpar with their t1 in stats that matter. That's dps. For missions now, we already have a strong enough tank. Whats needed is more dps to finish missions quicker. If they were designed for pve, they are utter failures. As for pvping in them again their cost is simply too prohibitive for such little gains (or no gains at all for the paladin over abba or geddon t1). Marauder cost needs to drastically decrease for them to be viable. After more thought on the matter, all the new t2 ships are almost pure fail. Heavy Dictors that web itself, prevents remote rep, and gets to be in close range to bubble? Talk about getting primaried, hit with neuts and run out of cap, thus tank is gone. Maybe of some use to tackle caps, but meh.. T2 EW frigs.. got nothing a blackbird or celestis can't do better. Frigs with low speed, high mass .. i thought we already learnt this lesson with AF.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.10.28 00:25:00 - [79] There's a huge thread (over 6 pages now) over in Ships&Modules stared by me iscussing exactly that, the inadequacies of Marauders as "mission ships", and why (most of them, all but Kronos) are utter failures in that regard when compared to faction ships that already cost less (bost in ISK and skills) to get into. The black ops at least fill a rather unique role, so they're not completely worthless. Basically, they're the titans (literally) of the cloaked world. However, demand for them on the front lines will only be relatively small, because of their insane pricetag (very close to Marauders, maybe 100 mil ISK cheaper or so, if even that much) and the INABILITY to fit a covops cloak (so, whoops, can't warp while cloaked, bummer). The HACterdictors, yeah, it's been confirmed by the devs that they ARE meant almost exclusively as cap ship tacklers, with an upcoming script (you know, that thing we keep hearing about they're doing Soon™ on SiSi) that makes their "bubble" effect a targetted efect, aimed at pinning down capitals. For most other situations, the classic Interdictors are still the way to go. As for the EW frigs, well, ok, they'll be expensive, but not THAT expensive as you seem to think they will. Their pricetag will be hovering around 40 mil ISK for a while, hopefully going under 25 mil sooner rather than later. As for their viability, well, they are all but slow... they have interdictor-like base speeds ! I managed to get well over 1km/sec with a Kitsune with no propulsion mods except an afterburner, and my nav skills aren't something to write home about... and that's the slowest of them all. _ 1\|2\|3

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