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Stork DK
Synthetic Frontiers
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Posted - 2007.10.22 16:33:00 -
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Ahoy o/
Ws wondering what the build costs of the new shiny T2 ships is going to. However after long search on eve-o i found nothing, so i made a list myself.
Couldnt be arsed to do all the races so just caldari (for now atleast)
These prices are the average of Jita market.
Before you read further take a look here.
Now put on your tinfoil hat and download my sexy spreadsheet. |
Kappas.
Galaxy Punks
O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.10.22 16:46:00 -
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Can you not just write the estimated prices here? The spreadsheet timed out.
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Stork DK
Synthetic Frontiers
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Posted - 2007.10.22 16:50:00 -
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 Originally by: Kappas.
Can you not just write the estimated prices here? The spreadsheet timed out.
Done
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.22 16:52:00 -
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T2 Battleship prices makes Tarminic sad. 
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Tarminic - 29 million SP in Forum Warfare Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Booooo!!! Tarminic sux!!!
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Lowanaera
Amarr
Celestial Janissaries
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.22 16:54:00 -
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With invention cost factored in, it looks like market price will be closer to 700-800m. This fits with what Oveur said on EveTV during the tournament, that T2 BS could run close to a bil.
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Nick Marsh
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Posted - 2007.10.22 16:57:00 -
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well I guessed some time ago they would be like 500M to 1Bil, I see my guess wasnt that bad. But I suspect prices being a lot higher the first month or months...
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Benvie
Benvie Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.10.22 17:22:00 -
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Edited by: Benvie on 22/10/2007 17:24:35
Did you factor in the that they recently quadrupled the materials it takes to build the tech 2 battleships?
Golem
Vargur/Panther
Those are more recent.
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Stork DK
Synthetic Frontiers
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Posted - 2007.10.22 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Benvie
Edited by: Benvie on 22/10/2007 17:24:35
Did you factor in the that they recently quadrupled the materials it takes to build the tech 2 battleships?
Golem
Vargur/Panther
Those are more recent.
I took the build costs from singularity about 2 hoursr ago so i think so, also if you take a look in the spreadsheet you'll see its the same stats 
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Triumdicta > we're getting a new kind of ore?
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Magners Marauders
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Posted - 2007.10.22 17:29:00 -
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After looking at this list.. please tell me a golem will be able to pwn a raven 1 vs 1 with one hand tied behind ones back?
Having a nice specialized ship is kewl and all but if it takes a raven and gazzillions of other stuff to build one it better be able to omgwtfpwnbbq it's T1 counterpart without breaking a sweat.
CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.10.22 17:29:00 -
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does a little dance
Electronic Attack Ship: Kitsune - 4'567'701,5 ISK
AWWW yeah! I can afford my favorite of the upcoming ships!
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Stork DK
Synthetic Frontiers
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Posted - 2007.10.22 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
does a little dance
Electronic Attack Ship: Kitsune - 4'567'701,5 ISK
AWWW yeah! I can afford my favorite of the upcoming ships!
Anyone in his right mind would pick the hyena over all the other new T2 frigs tbh 
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.10.22 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Stork DK
Originally by: MotherMoon
does a little dance
Electronic Attack Ship: Kitsune - 4'567'701,5 ISK
AWWW yeah! I can afford my favorite of the upcoming ships!
Anyone in his right mind would pick the hyena over all the other new T2 frigs tbh
well duh :P
but the cost is the same, I'm a mimmi pilot galore, got my AS5, my Recon 5, my logtisic 5, my interceptors 4.
and others.
so any new small ships to play with is good in my book.
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Stork DK
Synthetic Frontiers
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Posted - 2007.10.22 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Stork DK
Originally by: MotherMoon
does a little dance
Electronic Attack Ship: Kitsune - 4'567'701,5 ISK
AWWW yeah! I can afford my favorite of the upcoming ships!
Anyone in his right mind would pick the hyena over all the other new T2 frigs tbh
well duh :P
but the cost is the same, I'm a mimmi pilot galore, got my AS5, my Recon 5, my logtisic 5, my interceptors 4.
and others.
so any new small ships to play with is good in my book.
I want logi 5 too 
But gonna wait and see what bonus ill get for electronic attack ship 5 tho.
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Haradgrim
Caldari
The Wild Bunch
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2007.10.22 17:37:00 -
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I would say that these prices are both in line with the present cost of t2 ships as well, they are cheap enough that these ships will get used, expensive enough that you will have to have some serious cajones to fly one in PVP (I would be curious to see what the insurance payouts are)
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.10.22 17:39:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 22/10/2007 17:40:22
Edited by: MotherMoon on 22/10/2007 17:40:08
Originally by: Stork DK
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Stork DK
Originally by: MotherMoon
does a little dance
Electronic Attack Ship: Kitsune - 4'567'701,5 ISK
AWWW yeah! I can afford my favorite of the upcoming ships!
Anyone in his right mind would pick the hyena over all the other new T2 frigs tbh
well duh :P
but the cost is the same, I'm a mimmi pilot galore, got my AS5, my Recon 5, my logtisic 5, my interceptors 4.
and others.
so any new small ships to play with is good in my book.
I want logi 5 too
But gonna wait and see what bonus ill get for electronic attack ship 5 tho.
NOT ME!
I'm training for bombers right now and as soon as I can will buy this new book and master it too!!
unless it sucks big time but I'll still fly it :P
p.s.(I just got it too, about 19 hours ago :) it helped me break the 20 mil sp mark! huzzah for mom!)
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Plave Okice
Gallente
0utlaws
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Posted - 2007.10.22 17:41:00 -
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Might finally buy myself a Navy Mega, I think faction BS will continue to fall in price
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Benvie
Benvie Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.10.22 17:54:00 -
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I just realized why your prices are wrong. You're calculating based on BASE materials, IE ME0 materials. Since no one will have a bpo, no one will be building them that cheap. The vast majority of people will be building them at ME -7 and -8.
-7 = multiply materials by 1.6364
-8 = multiply materials by 1.7273
The only things not multiplied are the RAM and the T1 ship.
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Stork DK
Synthetic Frontiers
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Posted - 2007.10.22 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Benvie
I just realized why your prices are wrong. You're calculating based on BASE materials, IE ME0 materials. Since no one will have a bpo, no one will be building them that cheap. The vast majority of people will be building them at ME -7 and -8.
-7 = multiply materials by 1.6364
-8 = multiply materials by 1.7273
The only things not multiplied are the RAM and the T1 ship.
Aha! You sir are one hell of a carebear
So if a multiply with those numbers id get around final cost right?
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Benvie
Benvie Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.10.22 18:06:00 -
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Yeah, multiply the quantities.
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Arenis Xemdal
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.10.22 18:11:00 -
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That looks about right. Before they upped the battleship requirements it only cost around 70mil in tech 2 materials, or about 165mil for the entire ship.. which is too low. Typically the tech 1 ship/mineral cost is around one tenth of the total cost for a frigate, one sixth for a cruiser, and now one fourth for a battleship.
T2 bs should stabilize around 500-600mil when heavy production kicks in, which is a good price point since currently theres really nothing that pricy for people with isk to buy. They can either go for pimp faction ships, or go the capital route. I really hope with the advent of t2 bs, fewer people will decide to get carriers and motherships.
So no, not too pricy. Maybe not pricy enough even.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Please Enter Password
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Posted - 2007.10.22 18:12:00 -
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Yeah, prices look about right to me too.
As ridicilously overpriced as the rest 
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Xaen
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.10.22 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Stork DK
Marauder: Golem - 390'240'990,6 ISK
Black Ops: Widow - 317'220'287,2 ISK
Heavy Interdictor: Onyx - 28'785'832,0 ISK
Electronic Attack Ship: Kitsune - 4'567'701,5 ISK
Wow, that's just sad.
You know what a new EVE player is gonna do when they hear about these ships? They're going to want to fly them. You know what they're going to do when they hear about how long it will take to train for them and how much they will cost? Quit and go back to WoW.
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Benvie
Benvie Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.10.22 18:21:00 -
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Look at the real prices at -7 ME. ;) That doesn't include invention, which will add another hundred or two million on top. That also doesn't include the fact that all moon minerals, all advanced moon minerals, and all tech 2 components are going to absolutely skyrocket in price when everyone is trying to build these babies. These ships consume enormous amounts of materials, way more than the current production infrastructure can handle. I'd go with the assumption that build costs will automatically be double that, if not more.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.10.22 18:26:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 22/10/2007 18:25:54
I got 30 mil ready for that damn frigate.
put the header back you fool!
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Stork DK
Synthetic Frontiers
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Posted - 2007.10.22 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
Edited by: MotherMoon on 22/10/2007 18:25:54
I got 30 mil ready for that damn frigate.
put the header back you fool!
It keep deleting it when i edit I BLAME CCP!
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Kappas.
Galaxy Punks
O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.10.22 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Kappas.
Can you not just write the estimated prices here? The spreadsheet timed out.
Thanks, and finally downloaded the spreadsheet. There's now a mirror here if you want it.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.10.22 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Stork DK
Originally by: MotherMoon
Edited by: MotherMoon on 22/10/2007 18:25:54
I got 30 mil ready for that damn frigate.
put the header back you fool!
It keep deleting it when i edit I BLAME CCP!
NERF CCP
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente
Endica Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.10.22 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: 000Hunter000
After looking at this list.. please tell me a golem will be able to pwn a raven 1 vs 1 with one hand tied behind ones back?
Having a nice specialized ship is kewl and all but if it takes a raven and gazzillions of other stuff to build one it better be able to omgwtfpwnbbq it's T1 counterpart without breaking a sweat.
Diminishing returns.
I hope the devs adhere to one of their/EVE's basic concepts.
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Arana Tellen
Gallente
The Blackguard Wolves
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.10.22 18:58:00 -
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I take it you cant research BPCs
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.10.22 19:11:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 22/10/2007 19:36:10
You might to read this thread about invention costs, or just skip to this spreadsheet.
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EDIT
Bloody hell this can't be right, can it ? I mean, looking at that "build Golem" screenshot, I mean.
Sure, price for some components went up a lot, but still... DAMN !
Just the EXTRA MATERIAL costs are worth almost 300 mil on the freaking market at ME0 !?!
That on top of almost 100 mil for the T1 ship itself.
Ok, plugged in the invention cost too.
I assumed a very OPTIMISTIC 25% base invention chance, tried with both 1-run and max-run BPCs, using current typical BPC prices.
A Golem will be costing at best around 870 mil to invent and manufacture without using a decryptor at all.
It could go down to 670 mil to invent and manufacture with "best chance" decryptor at current prices (or, if that decryptor goes up to 150 mil, cost becomes same 870 mil per unit as without using a decryptor at all).
So, expect price of a Golem to NOT go under 750 mil ISK any time soon, if nothing changes.
Well, the good news however is that IF it blows up, you're likely looking at around 350 mil platinum insurance payout 
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