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Chungito
Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:14:00 -
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Edited by: Chungito on 24/10/2007 11:37:00
Originally by: zoolkhan Comedy gold.
What's funny is that your close to turning this into another U'K whine thread about how we lost UNITY station due blobbage and pos spamming. You don't see the irony in you laughing at slammers for thinking they lost their space due to an ooc alliance while we cried endlessly about the same thing from cva and their allies?
To put it in your words from this thread: "lets get over it."
EDIT: Aside from being perplexed why you would mention CVA outnumbering us and using non-roleplay allies against us, I agree with your post, Zool.
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Baron vonDoom
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Posted - 2007.10.24 12:10:00 -
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Just one important point that's being missed here I would like to point out: ENH never has been and never will be an RPing corp. We never RP'd with CVA, UK, SR, or anyone else. So this argument about RPers taking over provi and not letting anyone else play is silly and moot.
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Chungito
Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.10.24 12:18:00 -
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My thoughts exactly, Baron, but I didn't want to put words in ENH's mouths.
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zoolkhan
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.10.24 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Chungito My thoughts exactly, Baron, but I didn't want to put words in ENH's mouths.
dont speak to that amarr chungito
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Chungito
Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.10.24 13:03:00 -
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D'oh.
/Chungito goes to blow up an Amarrian school bus to make up for it.
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Lowanaera
Amarr Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.24 13:10:00 -
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Edited by: Lowanaera on 24/10/2007 13:11:50 I can confirm that all this is true.
Yes, exactly as Slammers has been ranting about for some time and sending eve-mails about to every single one of our allies to warn them of, CVA, U'K, and ENH are in fact allies and/or alts. We have been working together since the start of our entry into Providence, and the bloody sieges of QR and 9UY were just because we got bored and decided to throw away billions in ISK. All the forum bitterness and discussion following those sieges has just been a very elaborate cover, we're that hardcore. Also, the nightly raids ENH conducted against CVA for a while were really just a single person multi-boxing both gangs against each other, he's kind of nuts, but lots of fun to have around.
But it goes much deeper than that. You see, we're not just alts/allies of each other, we're all BoB/MC alts. Aralis is really SirMolle. Maggot is really Seleene. The reason Providence has never been seriously invaded despite MC helping U'K in the past and BoB attacking a few key systems to secure their cynojam network is not because Providence is horrible worthless space that nobody but a few RPers and loonies wants, it's because this is the sandbox playground that all of BoB and MC have alts in to take a break from the major 0.0 wars. We've just been fighting to keep BoB out of their cyno network systems to keep us on our toes on both our accounts, Molle feels we're aren't getting enough action.
Now you have the truth. Now you can see it all for the sham it really is. Sorry, I could not live with the burden of this awful truth any longer!
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Cythrawl
Caldari Central Defiance
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Posted - 2007.10.24 13:43:00 -
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Far as I know, when U'K first ran into ENH in any numbers, they were hostiles. (seeing as they were in d2 at the time and would come down to provi for some pvp away from the actual war front in the north)
Then again, what would I know seeing as we were only in U'K for about 3 months, and in U'K space for 6.
Epic trollage from someone with no idea of the past.
.:.
Originally by: Krazy Bitsch
Originally by: Virtuality In before the first troll.
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Udyr Vulpayne
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.24 14:18:00 -
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conspiracy of the year award?
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Eshestun
Caldari The Mavericks Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.24 15:03:00 -
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"And I thought U'K was bitter in defeat"
What does a minmi do when he gets turfed? Grab a Hac gang and do guerrilla attacks.
What does a slammer do when he gets turfed? Grab a gang and go flame the forums.
C'mon slammers :S you had the possibility to step away from this looking half intelligent, why ruin it now
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Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation Abyss Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.24 15:44:00 -
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Posting in yet another pointless thread about Providence lest anyone forgets the might of the ABYSS Alliance...
Yes...I admit it, secretly I've been dropping mind controlling drugs in Aralis' coffee for 2 years...
Muhahahar for the puppet masters...
Err... I mean Muppet = ME!
Bye bye Slammers. I never got to know you much, but from the forum exploits of Alois and Public Agent I'm not too sorry about that.
Rock on Providence...
- Ideas are my business...maybe thats why I'm always skint! Please read my ideas |
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Drykor
Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.10.24 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Lowanaera Edited by: Lowanaera on 24/10/2007 13:11:50 I can confirm that all this is true.
Yes, exactly as Slammers has been ranting about for some time and sending eve-mails about to every single one of our allies to warn them of, CVA, U'K, and ENH are in fact allies and/or alts. We have been working together since the start of our entry into Providence, and the bloody sieges of QR and 9UY were just because we got bored and decided to throw away billions in ISK. All the forum bitterness and discussion following those sieges has just been a very elaborate cover, we're that hardcore. Also, the nightly raids ENH conducted against CVA for a while were really just a single person multi-boxing both gangs against each other, he's kind of nuts, but lots of fun to have around.
But it goes much deeper than that. You see, we're not just alts/allies of each other, we're all BoB/MC alts. Aralis is really SirMolle. Maggot is really Seleene. The reason Providence has never been seriously invaded despite MC helping U'K in the past and BoB attacking a few key systems to secure their cynojam network is not because Providence is horrible worthless space that nobody but a few RPers and loonies wants, it's because this is the sandbox playground that all of BoB and MC have alts in to take a break from the major 0.0 wars. We've just been fighting to keep BoB out of their cyno network systems to keep us on our toes on both our accounts, Molle feels we're aren't getting enough action.
Now you have the truth. Now you can see it all for the sham it really is. Sorry, I could not live with the burden of this awful truth any longer!
I was gonna say something but I'm not gonna be able to top this ^^
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Tharrn
Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.10.24 16:29:00 -
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That is just because you are Lowa's alt. Or vice versa. All part of the plot.
Amarr Mineral Index
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Drykor
Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.10.24 16:32:00 -
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Hah, to think that I would have a Minmatar alt named Drykor!
Oh sorry used the wrong account
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Lowanaera
Amarr Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.24 17:21:00 -
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Hah, to think that I would have a Minmatar alt named Drykor!
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Calypso's Wrath
Caldari Black Watch Legionnaires
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Posted - 2007.10.24 17:21:00 -
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You guys do realize that all these slammers posts are Alois right?
Alois, Instead of blaming everyone else for slammers going downà They should be blaming you and your smack talking. Its why you guys get into so much trouble. (that and NemisisisisisisÆs poor poor poor use of the written word.
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Ugleb
Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.10.24 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Public Agent Edited by: Public Agent on 24/10/2007 05:44:55 CVA and UK were created long ago to act as a matched pair of role players. CVA were to be the Amar slavers while UK were to be Minmatar terrorist slaves. Of COURSE they are real-life friends. Fun fun fun in Providence. This went on for a long time... till CVA took Unity.
There WAS a real falling out when Unity fell. UK's main offence was cooperating with non-role players. Hmm.
But still, I would think many ties remain. The RL friends must still be many.
Now lets look at ENH. For one, it is full of ex-UK. For another, over 6 months of seiging and thousands of camp hours... they killed ONE CVA. They killed hundreds of non-role players. By their own account they were not paid for this service: A service to CVA.
So ENH is acting NOT AS though they are a real entity. This is in VIOLATION of role playing. CVA, UK and ENH want non-role-players out of Providence. They want their playground.
I have news for them. We are ALL interested in the overall arc of the story. We do not need to enter into RP convos all the time. It is the responsibility of RP players to bring us all INTO their stories. You CANNOT be isolated.
I'm tired of all of this. This particular group of RP need a lesson... kill em all: CVA, UK, ENH
Public Agent
Take a seat folks, I'm replying to a CAOD thread with a history lesson. It's even OOC. Some of you might like to frame this as it doesn't happen often. CAOD makes a vein on the side of my head throb.
CVA and UK were created long ago. Well we were both founded by two different sets of RP'ers and our RP goals happened to be opposites. There was no actual collaboration, it just happened. Being like-minded people playing for something other than an epeen extension we of course have much in common as players, so there was mutual respect. To say we were all friends is pushing it, I for one haven't met any of the other side in person other than one bloke from Aegis Milita at last years fan fest. There was no plan to it beyond both groups basing their approach to the game on EVE's prime fiction.
There was one thing that might lead to your view of us, and that is the fabled 'rules of engagement' between the two groups. This was not a 'treaty' or 'deal', it has no clauss and isn't written down anywhere. It was really a matter of sportsmanship where both groups apply rules to themselves. We do not use spies against each other (in fact ushra doesn't use spies full stop), we try not to use chessy game mechanics agains each other such as log in traps etc. It's basic fair play stuff. The approach to the game (for UK, I'll let CVA speak for themselves) was that RP should come first ahead of killboards or other ingame success.
This is of course all very vague and subjective, despite the opinions of many our fighting has always been real and fluid, no less so than the Alliance/Coalition stuff that usually dominates CAOD. It just had sportsmanship as a central feature, so certain things aren't done, and that stuff is pretty much all 'meta gaming' anyway so doesn't affect real PVP.
The change was not Unity Station, it was Karishal's Defiance, now called Karishal's Folly. This was the first of our two stations to fall. The issue was not that CVA attacked it, CVA long before made it public that their goal was to rule Providence. Our issue was the CVA's use of allies whom we had never even heard of to secure their victory. The battle was extremely one-sided (for more reasons than blobbage I admit) and short. Towers went up, sov flipped on cue, station fell, end of story. We were not so upset over the loss of the station as of the way it was done. Sev3rance were the key figure in this as we had never heard of them until their dreads cyno'ed in to hit our towers.
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Ugleb
Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.10.24 17:41:00 -
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Sev is/was not an RP group, so the only credible explanation from our point of view for their involvement was to secure the victory. This hurt, and breaks the spirit of that fabled ROE of sportsmanship.
The battle for Unity Station took place later, only this time we knew what was coming. Now we come to our æmain offenceÆ you refer to of co-operating with non-rpÆers. Two things to consider here. Firstly, every single one of our allies today approached us. We asked none of them to sign on with us, they all offered to do so. Secondly, we turned several of them down on more than one occasion prior to KarishalÆs. ENH were one such group.
Following KarishalÆs we knew that Unity Station was facing attack and we knew the same forces would come again and again we wouldnÆt stand a snowflake in hells chance against it. We also looked at our then-allies in Providence and knew that most were neutral in our war and would not help. So we accepted the other offers of help and assembled a rogues gallery of resistance to CVA and itÆs allies. Our Provi-allies (neutral in the RP war) turned on us despite the fact we left them as neutral and imposed restrictions on our new allies to protect the neutrals around us.
After Unity fell a number of our pilots joined ENH. Before Unity fell I donÆt think that any former Ushra were in ENH. ENH went to work in the Kari pipe against Slammers while Ushra operated primarily in the G-5 and KBP pipes.
UshraÆs goal today has been publicly stated many times and I shall again explain it. Following the betrayal (IC and OOC in most cases) of alliances we had actively supported in the past turning against us we declared Providence to be an NBSI zone for our pilots and took the gloves off our allies. We attack anyone in Providence who is not actively attacking the CVA or its allies in Providence. Many like Sev3rance, Cold Steel Alliance, Sylph, and at one time Slammers are not themselves RP groups.
From an RPÆers perspective, their status as an RP organisation is irrelevant. They are allied to my RP enemy and supporting him. That is why we are attacking them and that is why we want them out of Providence. To remove their support of our greatest enemy.
Regardless of whether or not we are on good terms with CVA out of game (and at present we as a group are not) the CVA still proclaims itself to hold to an RP objective. That objective is the opposite of our own, therefore we attack. Should the CVA renounce slavery I imagine our work would be done and weÆd move on. Who knows.
Throughout it all Ushra has kept our RP goals and heritage in mind. We attack everyone in Providence because it is what our RP demands we do, if you are being targeted by an UshraÆKhan pilot it is because you have made yourself a target of our RP. That makes you involved in our RP, what you do next in response is your own choice to roleplay back.
We are not driving out non-rpÆers, we are involving them. The simple fact I have taken the time to reply to you should be an indication of that. Everyone should RP and everyone can, the only thing stopping you is in fact you. Take up our policies on IGS, in character, and we shall respond, in character.
Providence is not the RP playground of EVE, the whole damn map is. So involve yourself already.
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LadyAmarus
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Posted - 2007.10.24 18:34:00 -
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seriously slammers , pls get me some of that stuf. you guy's are tripping so hard , i really wanna get on that ride.
ffs don't slammers have anything better to do??
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xXHeRoInERaBBiTXx
Minmatar Canadia Security Institute
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Posted - 2007.10.24 19:00:00 -
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slammers.... you folks did this to yourself... the forces that attacked you didnt kill you.... they just handed you the gun whilst you shot yourself For All that has been said and done, you will suffer... |
Gaius Kador
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.24 19:09:00 -
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Im a freedomfighter, and wear a bandana, in RL. ----------------------------------------------
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Wild Rho
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2007.10.24 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Gaius Kador Im a freedomfighter, and wear a bandana, in RL.
Free the whales o/
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Mistress Suffering
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.10.24 19:41:00 -
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Heh, I'll try to post the Slammer's Republic Campaign AAR later today. Seems like the only fitting reply.
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Blafbeest
Gallente North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.10.24 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: zoolkhan
Originally by: Chungito My thoughts exactly, Baron, but I didn't want to put words in ENH's mouths.
dont speak to that amarr chungito
I'm gonna come down to kbp7 this weekend and kick the living crap out of you, and all your cloaking buddies, Karn included. Then I will go and kick the **** out of those -7- and CVA candy asses and all this in a t2 fitted Bantam.
How about that zoo, you blithering idiot?
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Cipher7
OldBastardsPub SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.24 20:17:00 -
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This thread is epic failure.
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Graff Spee
Amarr The Phoenix Rising
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Posted - 2007.10.24 22:38:00 -
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This thread is entertaining if only to see people whine about nothing. A role player/alliabnce can be as much or as little into RP as they want. To complain outside of the roleplay forums would be "violating Roleplay rules" wouldn't it? People shouldn't post in CAOD thinking they are actually going to get some good PR out of it.
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Didier Oriol
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.10.24 23:10:00 -
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/me Points this Way
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Commodore Atari
The Black Cartel
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Posted - 2007.10.25 00:05:00 -
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Edited by: Commodore Atari on 25/10/2007 00:06:20
Originally by: Blafbeest
Originally by: zoolkhan
Originally by: Chungito My thoughts exactly, Baron, but I didn't want to put words in ENH's mouths.
dont speak to that amarr chungito
I'm gonna come down to kbp7 this weekend and kick the living crap out of you, and all your cloaking buddies, Karn included. Then I will go and kick the **** out of those -7- and CVA candy asses and all this in a t2 fitted Bantam.
How about that zoo, you blithering idiot?
Get out of my previous home....KBP7 ftw, IO Forever lol
btw, I'm kind of insulted, not really, that IO had no honorable mention from UK...we only held those systems for over a year.
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Varheg Xan
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.10.25 03:33:00 -
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I'm seriously loving the whole Providence / Catch sub-plots and drama bombs that are going on in CAOD. Please keep reporting on them.
=VX= (ex-Providence resident)
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Gaogan
Gallente Solar Storm Sev3rance
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Posted - 2007.10.25 04:58:00 -
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Wow... this conspiracy theory is hilariously stupid. The OP really should seek professional help.
Oh, and Gallente > both Amarr and Minmatar... and Caldari ;)
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Jin So
Gallente Red Mercury Incorporated The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2007.10.25 05:03:00 -
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Wow, now this is interesting, I may need to pay attention to this.
IO Forever
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