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Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.10.25 05:37:00 - [61] As anyone made a "like a bisexual" joke yet?
Keorythe Caldari Terra Rosa Militia Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.10.25 07:27:00 - [62] Originally by: Ugleb Sev is/was not an RP group, so the only credible explanation from our point of view for their involvement was to secure the victory. This hurt, and breaks the spirit of that fabled ROE of sportsmanship. The battle for Unity Station took place later, only this time we knew what was coming. Now we come to our æmain offenceÆ you refer to of co-operating with non-rpÆers. Two things to consider here. Firstly, every single one of our allies today approached us. We asked none of them to sign on with us, they all offered to do so. Secondly, we turned several of them down on more than one occasion prior to KarishalÆs. ENH were one such group. Just for the record, before myself and my corp joined Sev were were neutral entities living on the CVA side of providence. When the push for Karshial's started to happen alot of neutrals wanted to get in on the fight and approached CVA. This included Severance. CVA never asked anyone for help but they had plenty of petitioners requesting to be added to their groups. Some of this stemmed from various pirate or KOS groups that assumed or declared affiliation with UK but weren't really accepted by you guys. Much of it was a general feeling of association with CVA and dislike for UK in general (I imagine you had this on your side of Provi as well). Needless to say it wasn't always easy to get involved as we were often added as an afterthought. Despite being involved in every major event during the conquering of Provi including the siege of the Folly and Unity station we were never contacted by CVA. Getting intel on when something was going down was mind-wracking although it makes sense for security reasons. While many of the alliances like Severance or Cold Steel are not officially RP alliances they hold a great deal of RP members. It is alot easier to RP an Amarr slaver or a Minnie terrorist and stand out than it is to RP a Caldari cutthroat businessman or lewd Gallente courtesan.
pershphanie Deadly Addiction	Posted - 2007.10.25 07:31:00 - [63] Originally by: Public Agent CVA and UK were created long ago to act as a matched pair of role players. CVA were to be the Amar slavers while UK were to be Minmatar terrorist slaves. /roleplays Paris Hilton. That's Hot ------>PҼſϚի<------
zoolkhan Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.25 09:00:00 - [64] Originally by: Blafbeest Originally by: zoolkhan Originally by: Chungito My thoughts exactly, Baron, but I didn't want to put words in ENH's mouths. dont speak to that amarr chungito I'm gonna come down to kbp7 this weekend and kick the living crap out of you, and all your cloaking buddies, Karn included. Then I will go and kick the **** out of those -7- and CVA candy asses and all this in a t2 fitted Bantam. How about that zoo, you blithering idiot? Sound pretty cool, may i suggest to start with CVA first? So myself and my cloaking buddies can see it first hand and learn from it? :o) .oO(i love caod, may the mods continue their winter hibernation)
zoolkhan Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.25 09:05:00 - [65] Originally by: Commodore Atari btw, I'm kind of insulted, not really, that IO had no honorable mention from UK...we only held those systems for over a year. Yeah. true. for a while you have been real cool neigbours, also a bit instable due to some RL facts mainly. Then at a point in time CVA has pushed you out and there is no hard feelings about that. You held the place quiet a while. respect where it is due.
Emrod Legion Du Lys GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.25 10:46:00 - [66] Originally by: Italian Wedding Wait, what? this. COAD is for morons.......hey...wait a minute 0o !!!
Arakk Caldari VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.25 11:40:00 - [67] CVA = ex - Pheonix Fleet TDZK yo! eve w/o graphix
Hardin Amarr Bulgarian Mafia Squad Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2007.10.25 13:57:00 - [68] I have been away from EVE due to a couple of RL holidays over the past month and as a response have not been able to keep up to date with the unusual meanderings of CAOD. A FEW PROVIDENCE FACTS 1) CVA and Ushra'khan don't work together 2) CVA and Enh/AzA don't work together 3) Contrary to popular opinion not everyone who holds space in Providence is: a) A CVA 'holder' or b) Under our protection 4) Slammers were not a CVA Holder nor were they under our protection. Other groups in Providence have through their actions proved 'worthy'* and do indeed qualify as 'Holders' and receive our assistance as and when necessary. A prime example of this is Paxton. 5) Slammers did help CVA in the siege of 9UY - for their own reasons - primarily because UK had recruited enemies such as Enh / Evoke / BUM and others in their effort to hold onto the station. 6) Because CVA has always allowed 'neutral' entities to operate in Providence (in the same way that neutrals can operate in Amarr space) we recognised Slammers claim on their part of Providence and indeed for a short period assisted them to maintain that claim. 7) Regular displays of incompetence, lack of communication and downright stupidity from Slammers led to an internal CVA decision to withdraw CVA protection from Slammers (which had never been officially provided at any rate). This preceeded the AzA campaign and happened many months ago. 8) While it may be cold hearted our view was that we were not going to put our assets on the line for Slammers when they demonstrated no appreciable diplomatic or PvP capabilities. The view was that if Slammers wanted to hold on to a chunk of Providence then they would have to do so on their own. 9) When AzA decided to launch its campaign on Slammers we were unconcerned. Our HONEST opinion was that Slammers could: a) Successfully hold onto their space - in which case good luck to them. or b) Lose their space to our enemies. While this on the face of it looks like a stupid option it would give CVA the freedom to turf the enemies out and reclaim those systems properly. This would allow us to provide the level of security and protection that is provided elsewhere in Providence, which we could not implement properly while Slammers held Sov and simply didn't cooperate with us at a worthwhile level. While the CVA is by no means fans of Enh/UK/AzA I have to admit internally we were more than happy to see them push Slammers out. Slammers had proved themselves incapable, incoherent and unworthy of our assistance and we were more than happy to see them replaced by enemies who we could 'legitimately' remove and replace. So from our viewpoint AzA/Enh/UK have actually done us a favour whether they wanted to or not... I suppose taken in that context you could say that we were actually working together - even if that was by no means an agreed or planned consequence. 'Worthy' does not = rent. Worthy means playing an active role in Providence vs those who would seek to engender chaos in the area. Being active and 'worthy' involves the regular and neighbourly sharing of information, intelligence, and in general working with both CVA and other Holders to protect their space and keep the spacelanes clear for neutral and friendly traffic. Good examples of the worthy are Sylph, Paxton, s3verance, Cold Steel, Aegis Militia. ------------------------------ snip* Don't discuss moderation. -Rauth
LastTraitorStanding Amarr The Imperial Assassins	Posted - 2007.10.25 15:42:00 - [69] PA, I respect you man. But you're getting into "tinfoil hat" territory. Bottom line: you got spanked and you had to leave. Move on. Don't burn the natives on the way out. CVA and UK will continue to do their thing until the end of time. Sure Slammers' didn't get the support from CVA that they wanted. But for the way CVA appears to have been treated for not providing support in Slammers' sov systems I don't blame them. Chalk it up to "**** happens." Get on with life. You guys will find a new territory and settle it. It may take time but everything will be alright. No need to light every bridge you cross on the way out. -------------------------------- Semper ubi sub ubi
Camar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.10.25 20:33:00 - [70] Even though I hate it, or no wait, I don't anymore since a few days ago () <Insert what Hardin just said> MINMATART STRIPS! VIKING LOST...
Occasus Vim Minmatar Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.10.26 06:44:00 - [71] Originally by: Hardin 5) Slammers did help CVA in the siege of 9UY - for their own reasons - primarily because UK had recruited enemies such as Enh / Evoke / BUM and others in their effort to hold onto the station. For the sake of historical accuracy, Slammers were the first to turn on Ushra'Khan, and this took place before Unity station was in any way under attack. This was due to the NAP with ENH. Slammers took sovereignty of BR-, at the time a U'K system, and then only after this action did they come to the diplomatic table with U'K, not with an intent to discuss their grievance, but with a threat: Either allow us to keep the sovereignty we have taken from you as compensation for your new non-aggression pact with ENH, or we will join with CVA in kicking you out of Providence. Which brings us to your seventh and eighth points: Quote: 7) Regular displays of incompetence, lack of communication and downright stupidity from Slammers led to an internal CVA decision to withdraw CVA protection from Slammers (which had never been officially provided at any rate). This preceeded the AzA campaign and happened many months ago. 8) While it may be cold hearted our view was that we were not going to put our assets on the line for Slammers when they demonstrated no appreciable diplomatic or PvP capabilities. The view was that if Slammers wanted to hold on to a chunk of Providence then they would have to do so on their own. Similarly, Ushra'Khan's decision to enter into a NAP with ENH was based on identical reasoning, with a heavy emphasis on lack of communication, followed closely by the absence of diplomatic or PvP capabilities. With the Imperial Order driven off, the rest of Ushra'Khan's at-the-time-allies were either napped with their enemies, or constantly putting inadequately defended assets in jeopardy with poor decision making. Ushra'Khan initially put many of their assets on the line trying to defend these assets (capital ships, POS) but consistently took the heaviest brunt of the losses in battles with ENH. So, the ever unofficial defense of non-UK systems was withdrawn, and NRDS was negotiated with ENH for one of the most used access routes to empire. But the slight had been felt, and the ability to capitalize on the revenge the slight demanded existed. I firmly believe that if Slammers thought there was an entity around that could best CVA and had the desire to do it, they would probably be trying to orchestrate their downfall in a similar fashion. In the end, every move has boiled down to one common decision: What is believed to be best for your own alliance. Both U'K and CVA came to the same conclusion that it is simply not smart to put effort into defending entities who truly make themselves difficult to defend. After that, only strength really determines the 'morality' of such decisions. That is part of what makes this game truly interesting. It is not just the decision that can determine the fate of an alliance, but also the environment in which it is made.
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.26 12:28:00 - [72] Originally by: Occasus Vim ...After that, only strength really determines the 'morality' of such decisions. That is part of what makes this game truly interesting. It is not just the decision that can determine the fate of an alliance, but also the environment in which it is made. Some pretty wise words there mate. Ugleb also did a sterling job with the historical recap. I have to say I think it's great that enough time has passed that the facts and thought processes from both sides in the conflict can be laid out. I'll be honest I still have some strong opinions about some of the stuff CVA did but I am making an active choice to to bring that to the table here. My time with my Brothers in the Ushra'Khan, especially in Providence has been, and continues to be, one of the most rewarding experiences of my gaming life. The politics and history of this tiny and almost worthless region are fascinating and it is pure player driven. Eve at it's best! 'Living' through the events of the last couple of years has given me a more profound undertanding of all manner of things from the Fremen in Dune to Hannibal's invasion of Rome. It has been and continues to be great. The irony that a pure flamebait post has inspired an interesting OOC discussion of one of the games longest running wars is not lost on me either. Anyways, cya in space
Octavinus Augustus Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.26 14:18:00 - [73] Originally by: Telemicus Thrace Originally by: Occasus Vim ...After that, only strength really determines the 'morality' of such decisions. That is part of what makes this game truly interesting. It is not just the decision that can determine the fate of an alliance, but also the environment in which it is made. Some pretty wise words there mate. Ugleb also did a sterling job with the historical recap. I have to say I think it's great that enough time has passed that the facts and thought processes from both sides in the conflict can be laid out. I'll be honest I still have some strong opinions about some of the stuff CVA did but I am making an active choice to to bring that to the table here. My time with my Brothers in the Ushra'Khan, especially in Providence has been, and continues to be, one of the most rewarding experiences of my gaming life. The politics and history of this tiny and almost worthless region are fascinating and it is pure player driven. Eve at it's best! 'Living' through the events of the last couple of years has given me a more profound undertanding of all manner of things from the Fremen in Dune to Hannibal's invasion of Rome. It has been and continues to be great. The irony that a pure flamebait post has inspired an interesting OOC discussion of one of the games longest running wars is not lost on me either. Anyways, cya in space If someday I find myself experiencing the setbacks that has befallen U'K over the last year or so, I just hope I will have the character to behave with as much dignity as these guys do. That may sound very "corny", but I seriously can't think of any other way to describe what I feel when reading these posts. I guess the only thing I can really say is this: STOP PLAYING WITH MATCHES OR DADDY WILL BE FORCED TO USE HIS BELT ON YOU. Q: How many Amarr does it take to change a light bulb? A: None, we have Minnies to do the menial chores.
Kipper Deeplung Elewaitor	Posted - 2007.10.26 23:26:00 - [74] Edited by: Kipper Deeplung on 26/10/2007 23:30:23 You CVA guys are full of it. Your own membership have referred to other alliances in and around catch as pets. You treat locals as dung if they try to do stuff on their own accord and without the CVA blessing. Those who have proven 'worth' in your eyes but decide to move away for some time to try and better themselves as a corp or alliance also get treated like cow chips when they return. You are gangsters like the other big alliances and it's time for your control over Providence to be removed in my opinion. It's time for all the large and longterm alliances to be removed and I hope everyone realizes this. it's these alliances that impede the growth of 0.0 by over claiming space. The hopes of the new sovereignty system have missed by a long shot. A change has to be made to how it's done and especially to POS warfare.
Cassandra Bontecou Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.27 00:03:00 - [75] Originally by: Kipper Deeplung Edited by: Kipper Deeplung on 26/10/2007 23:30:23 You CVA guys are full of it. ETC. I respectfully disagree. TE OCCIDERE POSSUNT SED TE EDERE NON POSSUNT NEFAS EST
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.27 00:05:00 - [76] Originally by: Kipper Deeplung Your own membership have referred to other alliances in and around catch as pets. In Catch? Are you serious? As for our allies in Providence, I would challenge you to provide evidence of us ever talking down to the allies whom we rely on as much as they rely on us. Originally by: Kipper Deeplung You treat locals as dung if they try to do stuff on their own accord and without the CVA blessing. If "do stuff on their own accord" includes "putting up towers in CVA sovereign systems without permission" you're quite correct. Particularly if they refuse to remove them when contacted through diplomatic means. I can't think of an alliance out there that wouldn't do the same. Originally by: Kipper Deeplung Those who have proven 'worth' in your eyes but decide to move away for some time to try and better themselves as a corp or alliance also get treated like cow chips when they return. We have CVA member corporations who have done what you describe. Originally by: Kipper Deeplung it's these alliances that impede the growth of 0.0 by over claiming space. CVA directly supported the now mostly-defunct Huzzah Federation before their rise to power in Catch. CVA has also directly supported IAC prior to their rise to power. The CVA's efforts in Providence has given many corporations and alliances a taste for 0.0, experience in 0.0, and those folks have often moved on to bigger and better things...because Providence is, frankly, not the place to go if you want to be powerful, popular and cool. It is, however, the exact opposite of what you describe. It's a great place to learn the harsh realities of 0.0 life (and some of the benefits) under an umbrella of cooperative alliances who work to keep the place "as safe as possible" under a tolerant "not red, don't shoot" policy.
Ms DaisyMae Burning Bush Enterprises	Posted - 2007.10.27 01:32:00 - [77] The OP is da bestest poster on the interweb
Kipper Deeplung Elewaitor	Posted - 2007.10.27 02:47:00 - [78] Edited by: Kipper Deeplung on 27/10/2007 02:50:10 Ah yes.. Garreck, the great smoke pusher. Aralis, Hardin and yourself are master word spinners. I would first like to say I had a mis-thought in my second line of text. it should read "... in and around providence and catch." Your very own alliance mates in The Legion of Spoon have said the "pet" line on numerous occasions in local and in private communication. There are other members of corporations like Imperial Dreams who have also stated such. members of those corporations also like to place blame of loses on local corporations and alliances as well. It is also known that the production of any evidence will be construed as fictitious, falsified, or fake. there are names I can give of people who have read or conversed with your membership on just this topic but I will not destroy the confidence of my sources to give you a smile. Let me just say this intel comes from those close to, have had dealings with, and those who are part of your alliance. Originally by: Garreck It is, however, the exact opposite of what you describe. It's a great place to learn the harsh realities of 0.0 life (and some of the benefits) under an umbrella of cooperative alliances who work to keep the place "as safe as possible" under a tolerant "not red, don't shoot" policy. CVA's effort to help populate Providence and it's surrounding areas is to give them a meat-shield not unlike that of other major alliances. You just had Burn Eden in your 0.0 chokepoint for close to two weeks. During that time you guys could not even kill them. BE had almost 1000 kills in 11 days while only losing 10-15 during that time. Where was CVA to give your locals that freedom of movement within it's space? Station hugging? or maybe too busy ratting or mining in your carriers because that seems to be very common if I recall. Your definition of cooperation is a joke as CVA only cooperates with those who suck your toes. Anyone who stands up to you or says 'NO' is treated like cow chips unless members of your 'brotherhood'. Your umbrella is the worst social club known to man. Tribute to CVA is signing away your own freedom. I hope Outbreak comes back this time and lights you up like a bonfire. Heck, I'm even cheering for BoB to come in and give you guys a run for your money, but we all know they too have seen the fail-cat as of lately. I have said what i wanted to say. You feel free to spin it however you would like because int he end quite a few know it's true and that is enough for me.
Lowanaera Amarr Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.27 03:16:00 - [79] Originally by: Kipper Deeplung You just had Burn Eden in your 0.0 chokepoint for close to two weeks. During that time you guys could not even kill them. BE had almost 1000 kills in 11 days while only losing 10-15 during that time. Where was CVA to give your locals that freedom of movement within it's space? This exemplifies the mentality of "CVA should spawn like CONCORD and save us" that earned Slammers our ire. We strive to make Providence as safe as reasonably possible, but no 0.0 is safe, and those who cannot take adequate precautions to minimize risk are doomed to unnecessary and repeated deaths. When a group like BE decides to camp R3 taking absolute minimal risks and avoiding engagement whenever possible, we broadcast it loud and clear in our intel channels to not jump into R3 without scouting, preferably not at all, because it is simply not possible to entirely shut them down without a 23/7 camp of substantial force, a poor use of resources. They can be killed, and we do so when the opportunity presents itself, but most of the time they simply don't uncloak if they think there might even be a hint of a trap. So, we rightly ignore them most of the time, as they are only a threat to that single system and we have an entire region to take care of. Providence has four direct Empire entrances and several routes in via Catch, if despite repeated warnings people are unwilling to make use of those and choose to blindly jump into R3 anyway, simply put they deserve to die. Those who expect CVA to turn 0.0 into 1.0 for them do die.
Kipper Deeplung Elewaitor	Posted - 2007.10.27 04:08:00 - [80] Edited by: Kipper Deeplung on 27/10/2007 04:09:35 yeah but Lowanaera.... not everyone is allowed into your precious deliverance intel channel. (thecitadel)
Lowanaera Amarr Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.27 04:27:00 - [81] Any corp wishing to move to the area and be productive citizens is welcome to apply for access, in most cases it is granted. Access is revoked however if corps/alliances attack neutrals or cooperate with enemies. Slammer's access was revoked after paying BUM for a NAP combined with a history of non-contribution. In fact, part of the clearly stated and available rules for our area specifically includes that if you pay ransoms you will be made KOS, technically more should have happened than just revoking your access but we felt that was excessive for this specific case. Our rules are not difficult to follow, hard to find, or arbitrarily enforced. Those who fall on the wrong side of them and lose their access have none but themselves to blame.
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.27 05:23:00 - [82] Originally by: Kipper Deeplung ...Tribute to CVA is signing away your own freedom... You make them sound like slavers or something.
General StarScream THE DECEPTIC0NS	Posted - 2007.10.27 05:35:00 - [83] Uk is Cva ***** we all know that, if it where in prison Uk would carry the soap. Sig Removed. Dont use inappropriate language in sigs -Kaemonn
SoulBlythe KVA Noble Inc. Institute of Cooperative Education	Posted - 2007.10.27 06:23:00 - [84] Edited by: SoulBlythe on 27/10/2007 06:24:50 So when CVA or it's members puts products on the market or on contract and a known bad guy purchases them, is that member/corp kicked for selling to them? I mean that is cooperating with the enemy by providing them ships, modules and ammo. I should also state that getting a reply for deliverance access is like pulling teeth. Seems that the communication chain is a failure. Took me weeks of persistent pestering to find out that my corp, when requestingaccess, had to "prove themselves again" even after 2 years of dedicated assistance and listening to the trash spewed by the CVA membership. If I was you, I'd quit trying to sell CVA as you are. I think quite a few can agree you spin as much as a water wheel on a paddle boat. ====================== CEO - KVA Noble Inc. Split Infinity Radio DJ Host of the EvE Online show, Singularity (Wednesdays 4pm-7pm est / 9pm - Midnight bst)
Mebrithiel Ju'wien Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.10.27 07:08:00 - [85] Originally by: Lowanaera Edited by: Lowanaera on 24/10/2007 13:11:50 I can confirm that all this is true. Yes, exactly as Slammers has been ranting about for some time and sending eve-mails about to every single one of our allies to warn them of, CVA, U'K, and ENH are in fact allies and/or alts. We have been working together since the start of our entry into Providence, and the bloody sieges of QR and 9UY were just because we got bored and decided to throw away billions in ISK. All the forum bitterness and discussion following those sieges has just been a very elaborate cover, we're that hardcore. Also, the nightly raids ENH conducted against CVA for a while were really just a single person multi-boxing both gangs against each other, he's kind of nuts, but lots of fun to have around. But it goes much deeper than that. You see, we're not just alts/allies of each other, we're all BoB/MC alts. Aralis is really SirMolle. Maggot is really Seleene. The reason Providence has never been seriously invaded despite MC helping U'K in the past and BoB attacking a few key systems to secure their cynojam network is not because Providence is horrible worthless space that nobody but a few RPers and loonies wants, it's because this is the sandbox playground that all of BoB and MC have alts in to take a break from the major 0.0 wars. We've just been fighting to keep BoB out of their cyno network systems to keep us on our toes on both our accounts, Molle feels we're aren't getting enough action. Now you have the truth. Now you can see it all for the sham it really is. Sorry, I could not live with the burden of this awful truth any longer! You're all CVA. You just don't know it yet. Personal Library
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.27 15:03:00 - [86] Originally by: SoulBlythe If I was you, I'd quit trying to sell CVA as you are. I think quite a few can agree you spin as much as a water wheel on a paddle boat. I don't have to sell CVA. CVA sells itself, Providence sells itself. That Burn Eden can roll in and camp one (of four off the top of my head) of the jokepoints into Providence from Empire and average 100 kills a day is evidence enough of that. People are so happy to point out the flaws in Providence and say the system doesn't work. Then they indirectly refer to how many people use the space by quoting kill stats. Which is it? Does the CVA treat the locals like crap and discourage their presence, or do we provide a welcoming enough atmosphere that our spacelanes are packed with soft targets for gankers? Who's spinning what here?
SoulBlythe KVA Noble Inc. Institute of Cooperative Education	Posted - 2007.10.27 18:11:00 - [87] Edited by: SoulBlythe on 27/10/2007 18:13:15 By Kipper's showing and from my personal knowledge of the region, the locals are cannon fodder for CVA. Now you mention four entry points into providence but 2-3 of them are perma-camped by your opposing alliance and enemies. The R3 gate is the best and most common access point as well as the easiest access into that region. People only come to South Central Eve (that ghetto called Providence) because it's a good starting ground. That starting ground is nothing but a form of ancillary indentured servitude to CVA. Trust me Garreck when I say I would rather shoot you guys then to be tolerant neighbors, but my corp-mates have some deep rooted civility toward your lot, and I have to respect the wishes of my fellow corp-mates. I should toss in here that I have no love for U'K and any of the other entities in that region as well. ====================== CEO - KVA Noble Inc. Split Infinity Radio DJ Host of the EvE Online show, Singularity (Wednesdays 4pm-7pm est / 9pm - Midnight bst)
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.27 19:19:00 - [88] If people get tired of Providence, they'll up and leave. And they'll be wished well. In the mean time, they're welcome to stay in Providence, and they're wished well. CVA's "true intent" or whatever in Providence can be twisted and turned and scrutinized and criticized...but those are the facts and have been the facts for years. Providence is a good starting ground because for those who don't wish to work with the CVA, they're allowed to be in our space and carry on with their business, no questions asked, no demands levied (care to name another region where that's the case?) and those who do wish to work with the CVA benefit from direct strategic support. It's pretty thankless, as this thread nicely illustrates, but it's a fun project and presents a unique gaming challenge.
Evil Pookie BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.10.27 19:51:00 - [89] Originally by: Lowanaera When a group like BE decides to camp R3 taking absolute minimal risks and avoiding engagement whenever possible Well I can think of atleast 858 engagements we failed to avoid..... Just sayin
Keorythe Caldari Terra Rosa Militia Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.10.29 05:36:00 - [90] Originally by: SoulBlythe By Kipper's showing and from my personal knowledge of the region, the locals are cannon fodder for CVA. Whats that supposed to mean? No neutral is attacked in Providence. Which part of the well known NRDS policy dont you understand? Originally by: SoulBlythe That starting ground is nothing but a form of ancillary indentured servitude to CVA. Uh...indentured servitude? Does anyone pay rent there? Are you trying to say that dropping a POS in someone else's territory should be allowed whenever they feel like it? Sorry dude, but your arguement has no real weight to it. Mostly I'm seeing chatter from whiny kids who dont get their way but sure as hell wont get it in any other region. Try dropping a POS in RAGoon territory out of the blue. How long do you think it will last? Originally by: SoulBlythe Trust me Garreck when I say I would rather shoot you guys then to be tolerant neighbors, but my corp-mates have some deep rooted civility toward your lot, and I have to respect the wishes of my fellow corp-mates. I think its in your best interest to leave the area then. You sure dont like being here so maybe you should just leave. I'm sure there are other alliances in 0.0 who are willing to let you do as you please...for a small fee.

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